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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, October 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 311

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In this issue:

Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Muffler choices for a 1966 F100 with a 240ci Six Banger [Sleddog
Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size [Tom Hogan
Headers [Keith Srb ]
Cam Degree Kit [Keith Srb ]
Fog from the Heater/ac ducting [am14

chrysler.com]
Dist doesn't want to seat [am14

chrysler.com]
Re: Cam Degree Kit ["deconblu" ]
Re: Dist doesn't want to seat ["deconblu" ]
Re: Bolt pattern('s) [DBrents105

aol.com]
Re: C6/C4/FMX [DBrents105

aol.com]
Re: Dist doesn't want to seat [SARHOG

aol.com]
submerged smog pump [Adam Clever ]
PS problem [Adam Clever ]
Re: Cam Degree Kit [bbprice ]
Re: submerged smog pump ["deconblu" ]
Re: OffTopic: foggy window ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Increasing payload ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 5 Speed and an FE [Don Grossman ]
1972 Ranger data plate decoding [Lea New ]
Re: 1972 Ranger data plate decoding [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Re: 5 Speed and an FE ["deconblu" ]
Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size ["George Shepherd"
Re: Found a great source ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: submerged smog pump ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Faxon and service manuals [GMPACHECO

aol.com]
Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size ["George Shepherd"

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:10:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:02:39 -0700

> It's more than just putting cats on. Isn't it? Don't you need a
> smog
> pump? Possibly other components, I also know nothing about.

Cats need air to operate, something has to get to them so if you have
a cat you probably have some kind of means to push air into it or
allow it to suck air from somewhere.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:20:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Muffler choices for a 1966 F100 with a 240ci Six Banger

i have had good luck with Borla mufflers. they have a good warrenty
(million mile!) , have a great sound and look nice, and have fared well in
tests i have seen in Hot Rod type magazines. i can'tcomment on performance
gains as the last set i replaced i did away with the whole exhaust system -
i am running the borla's right on the headers. in another truck (both
460's) i replaced glass packs and about 2 ft. of pipe with the same borlas
and other than a much better sound didn't notice any performance increase.
but, it would be hard to feel a few extra hp on a motor already putting
out quite a bit.

the flowmasters i have seen, sound very good, quite untill the loud pedal
is smashed, and the owners seemed happy with them. from what i have seen
though, borla has the best quality - all stainless and a million mile
warrenty.

sleddog

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From: Keith Srb[SMTP:herbie

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 1997 10:53 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79

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Subject: Muffler choices for a 1966 F100 with a 240ci Six Banger

Has anyone ever replaced their muffler with something other that a stock
type muffler? I.E. Turbo, Glass Pack, Etc. If you did, did it help the
engine out any?
Keith Srbherbie

netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:17:33 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

Exactly why I love my '76 so much!! No cat, No EGR, No smog pump, No
cannister, NO NUTIN'!! And IT'S STOCK -- Cherry original!! I love
owning a truck sold for Texas and driving it in California. I just wish
that I could convince Smoggy that since it NEVER had any
$!

)*&#^%!(

&#%$

#*$(((

%#$$

^ smog equipment that I won't be defeating
anything by adding aftermarket parts. Weasle boy still says I can't put
dual pipes on it but I could have headers. Go figure.

You may want to check a factory service manual and see if cats were
available for your truck. I know on a '76 the exhaust system was dual
pipes back to the muffler for a 460 then a single tail pipe out to the
end. The pipes were pretty large and the muffler was ENORMOUS!! If you
could get a smog shop to mandril bend (smooth constant radius with no
kinks) a setup similar to the stock setup, use a stock muffler and
large diameter pipes, it may flow pretty freely. Any other opinions on
this??

Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)

__________________________________________
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:04:28 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

Well, had to do the annual smog check today. I thought I may have
problems
before I got there so I was expecting the worst. I just got my '79 F250
Crew Cab about six months ago and the guy I bought it from was real
evasive
about the smog check. I thought how bad could it be? It has current
tabs
on it. I have been doing some tuning work and have many of the ignition
parts replace that were in terrible shape when I bought the truck. I
pulled in and the first thing the test tells me is that I need to go in
side to the office. Not a good sign. Seems it failed last year and was
working on some kind of extension. Got the paper work and pulled back
around to have the test. Technician looks for gas caps. That checks
OK.
Looks at the sniff test results. That PASSED. I'm thinking this is
great!
I passed! Then the little weasel gets out his stupid little mirror and
said. You don't have a cat. You failed. Go back to the office.
Crap!!
Now I have about thirty days to get my rusty old dual exhaust converted
back over to a single cat system in order to met the spec book
requirements. The hard part to swallow is that even with not having
checked the timing yet and a carb that NEEDS a rebuild I past the
sniffer
test. So What Do I Need This Stupid Cat For Anyway!!
The guy in the office said, because it is supposed to have one. Well
la-de-da! Guess I have to start that exhaust project about three months
sooner than I wanted. Won't the wife be just THRILLED.

By the way, anybody know what the stock pipe size on a '79 F250 Crew Cab
with a 460 is??

I was thinking about running 2" to the converter and then 2.5" the rest
of
the way. Think that will breath well enough with just one muffler and
tail
pipe for the 460?
Later.
- - -B

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:03:28 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Headers

Does anybody know of a company that makes shorty headers for a 390FE. I
presume L&L does. Is there anyone else?

Keith Srbherbie

netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:29 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Cam Degree Kit

I was looking through the Jeg's Catalog and ran across a Cam Degree Kit.
Can someone explain to me what a Cam Degree Kit's purpose in life is?

Thanks!

Later
Keith Srbherbie

chrysler.com
Subject: Fog from the Heater/ac ducting

Mine fogged when it was the
a/c drain stopped up. No smell, but it sure fogged up.

>I have had an A/C unit plug up and yes water goes everywhere but
it doesn't steam

Azie

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:15:44 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: Dist doesn't want to seat

I've had good luck applying downward pressure on the rotor while a
friend 'bumped' the starter a couple of times. Be sure you have the
rotor pointed to the same location clockwise as it was when you removed
the old one, or that you have set #1 on TDC and have the rotor pointed
to #1 (when the cap is on) otherwise you are going to be out of time.
Like someone else pointed out - - Why did it break?? Oil pump froze
up -- maybe. Hope not.

Good luck.
>now I can't get
> the distributor seated all the way. It sticks up about 1 inch.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:14:59 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Cam Degree Kit

From: Keith Srb
>Can someone explain to me what a Cam Degree Kit's purpose in life is?

To degree your cam!

Sorry it's the only part of my anatomy that's smart. I just couldn't
keep it quiet! :]

It's for setting your cam to a higher degree than some care to take. I
of course have never done it and should just shut-up sit back and learn!
OK, I'll just do that! Gez, sorry! :]

Deacon Blues deconblu

ListService.net
Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 1:58 PM
Subject: Cam Degree Kit

>I was looking through the Jeg's Catalog and ran across a Cam Degree Kit.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Later
>Keith Srb herbie

netvalue.net
>Mesa, AZ
>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
>1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
>1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:42:04 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Dist doesn't want to seat

From: Azie
>Like someone else pointed out - - Why did it break?? Oil pump froze
>up -- maybe. Hope not.

The old Ford fail-safe Trick! If the oil pump don't turn, engine don't run.
Azie's got a point! Did you check to see if the oil pump turns?

Deacon Blues deconblu

chrysler.com
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Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 2:16 PM
Subject: Dist doesn't want to seat

>I've had good luck applying downward pressure on the rotor while a
>friend 'bumped' the starter a couple of times. Be sure you have the
>rotor pointed to the same location clockwise as it was when you removed
>the old one, or that you have set #1 on TDC and have the rotor pointed
>to #1 (when the cap is on) otherwise you are going to be out of time.
>Good luck.
>>now I can't get
>> the distributor seated all the way. It sticks up about 1 inch.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBrents105

aol.com
Subject: Re: Bolt pattern('s)

All of the 351C engines used in Mustangs have the small block windsor bolt
pattern. If there is a version of the 351C that has a big block bolt pattern,
I have never seen it. The 351M/400 has the big block bolt pattern.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBrents105

aol.com
Subject: Re: C6/C4/FMX

The FMX does have a removable bell housing and both small block and big block
bellhousing are available for it.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:29:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: SARHOG

aol.com
Subject: Re: Dist doesn't want to seat

In a message dated 97-10-24 17:57:22 EDT, you write:

run.
Azie's got a point! Did you check to see if the oil pump turns?
>>
Oil pump turns! I tried bumping the starter whilst putting light pressure on
the distributor, with no luck...bumped it all the way around ( 2 crankshaft
revolutions). Any other Ideas?

John Z.
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 15:46:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: submerged smog pump

What happens when a smog pump is below the waterline?

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 15:43:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: PS problem

1979 Bronco power assist for steering has recently become erratic. It
assists better in one direction than the other. When I check to see if the
fluid is low, it isn't but is somewhat foamy or has bubbles.

Sound familiar to anyone? Is anything dead, or just injured?

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:56:05 -0400
From: bbprice
Subject: Re: Cam Degree Kit

There is no short answer to your question, rather than try to explain
cam degreeing try going to www.compcam.com. They have a very good page
on explaining things about cams etc. they also have a very good program
you can download that gives you info on what kind of cam you need for
different applications.

Hope this helps.

Barry Price

Keith Srb wrote:

> I was looking through the Jeg's Catalog and ran across a Cam Degree
> Kit.
> Can someone explain to me what a Cam Degree Kit's purpose in life is?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Later
> Keith Srb herbie

netvalue.net
> Mesa, AZ
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style
> Side.
> 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>
> My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
> Wheels!"
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:31:06 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: submerged smog pump

From: Adam Clever
>What happens when a smog pump is below the waterline?

You find someone else to drive the Bronco when you launch the boat? :]

Deacon Blues deconblu

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:14:34 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: OffTopic: foggy window

I've seen this before. The lamination between the two sheets of glass has
failed. I suppose a big body repair type c clamp and a heat gun might renew
the seal.

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> From: Gulpgulp

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> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: OffTopic: foggy window
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 7:14 AM
>
> The front windshield of a friend's motor-home has developed a foggy/milky
> condition (no bubbles) on the bottom portion; it's flat-panel safety
glass
> and he's been told that it might be fixed using a heat gun but doesn't
have
> any details as to how to proceed and doesn't want to make it any worse.
> Any help/cautions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob B.
> 65 Econo PU
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:40:57 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

There are quite a few clarks around here in the yards.

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> From: sdelanty

sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:50 AM
>
>
> >>Almost any 5 speed will "fit" you just have to have the right
bellhousing
> >>or adapter.
> >>
>
> Ahh, but that's the problem. They quit making FE's before 5-speeds
> were available, so there ain't no 5-speed bellhousings with an FE
pattern.
>
> Besides, what 5-speed would You use? A T-5? Buy a couple, cause FE
torque
> is gonna break it unless YOu never get on it hard...
>
> Of course, there's always the old clark 5-speed for truck FE's, but I
ain't
> never seen 'em in the wrecking yard.
>
> Hppy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
> "There are 2 kinds of cars. Fords and can't
affords..."
> -Edward Towe

>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:50:14 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Increasing payload

I believe the spring perches are the same between the F-150 and the F-250.
Get a rear assembly, perches, springs, axle, drive tube and wheels. If
there are overload springs and perches get them also as the holes are ready
in most frames.

The front may be a little different as I am used to 4 wheel axles. But I
think all you need is the springs and the outer wheel assemblies.

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> From: deconblu
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: Re: Increasing payload
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:46 PM
>
> From: George Shepherd
> >the beef up the F-100 with the F 250 components routine (swap out the
rear
> axle
> >and change the front hubs) or switch over all your goodies to the F250
>
> That's all I need to do the the front is change the hubs. Putting in
the
> F-250 rear end will require what? Will the driveline work? This is
sounding
> like what I'm looking for.
> I'm going to call the local you pull it and see how much it will be.
I
> would also like to make it a flatbed. To much?
> Thanks! This sounds just like what my wife said it would turn into. I
said
> no, but it looks like she's right again! :-)
>
> Deacon Blues deconblu

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:24:29 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

George Shepherd wrote:
>
> There are quite a few clarks around here in the yards.

If you find one hold on to it for me will ya :)

I will try to dig up my info on the clarks.

Later
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon

pacific.net

63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:32:26 -0500
From: Lea New
Subject: 1972 Ranger data plate decoding

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> Subject: 1972 Ranger data plate decode
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:28:23 -0500
> From: Forest New
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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>
> Can anyone out there help me decode this ranger I would like to buy, I
>
> can't seem to find the proper coverage years in my code books.
>
> 1972 Ford ranger XLT vin: F10YLN71170
> color: T
> model: F104
> body: V
> Axle: H2
> Trans: G
> cert net HP: 156
> DSO: 56
>
> Im looking really hard at purchasing this truck but I need to get this
>
> info quick! If your interested this truck also has 3:50 locker rear,
> dual gas tanks, and the coil and spring towing package.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> nforest

polaristel.net

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:46:41 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: 1972 Ranger data plate decoding

f10= f100
y=360
color=candyapple red
h2=3.5:1
g=c6-3speed
built in sept '72

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:57:04 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

From: Don Grossman
>George Shepherd wrote:
>>
>> There are quite a few clarks around here in the yards.
>
>If you find one hold on to it for me will ya :)
>
>I will try to dig up my info on the clarks.

I'll be doing "you pull it hunts" What do I look for and I'll report
what I find. Soon as I figure how to pry my butt from this chair! (-;

Deacon Blues deconblu

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Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: 5 Speed and an FE

>
>Later
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon

pacific.net
>
>
>63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
>steering, power brakes
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:57:25 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

Check you state code, a cat in each pipe may be ok as a replacement.

- ----------
> From: Brett McCoy
> To: fordtrucks
> Subject: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 11:04 PM
>
> Well, had to do the annual smog check today. I thought I may have
problems
> before I got there so I was expecting the worst. I just got my '79 F250
> Crew Cab about six months ago and the guy I bought it from was real
evasive
> about the smog check. I thought how bad could it be? It has current
tabs
> on it. I have been doing some tuning work and have many of the ignition
> parts replace that were in terrible shape when I bought the truck. I
> pulled in and the first thing the test tells me is that I need to go in
> side to the office. Not a good sign. Seems it failed last year and was
> working on some kind of extension. Got the paper work and pulled back
> around to have the test. Technician looks for gas caps. That checks OK.

> Looks at the sniff test results. That PASSED. I'm thinking this is
great!
> I passed! Then the little weasel gets out his stupid little mirror and
> said. You don't have a cat. You failed. Go back to the office. Crap!!

> Now I have about thirty days to get my rusty old dual exhaust converted
> back over to a single cat system in order to met the spec book
> requirements. The hard part to swallow is that even with not having
> checked the timing yet and a carb that NEEDS a rebuild I past the sniffer
> test. So What Do I Need This Stupid Cat For Anyway!!
> The guy in the office said, because it is supposed to have one. Well
> la-de-da! Guess I have to start that exhaust project about three months
> sooner than I wanted. Won't the wife be just THRILLED.
>
> By the way, anybody know what the stock pipe size on a '79 F250 Crew Cab
> with a 460 is??
>
> I was thinking about running 2" to the converter and then 2.5" the rest
of
> the way. Think that will breath well enough with just one muffler and
tail
> pipe for the 460?
> Later.
> -B
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:36:52 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Found a great source

Do they have a web site?
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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Subject: Found a great source
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 7:54 PM
>
> Just found a great source for wiring diagrams. A friend dropped
> off a 1967 F100-F750 Wiring Diagram Manual, Ford reproduction.
> Its made by Jim Osborn Reproductions here in Atlanta (770)
> 962-7556. The manual is fantastic and they produce year specific
> manuals.
>
> Anyways, take it for what its worth, but I'm glad I found out about
> them.
>
> Ken
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:43:44 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: submerged smog pump

It quits sucking air and trys to suck water. Water doesn't compress. Air
pump broken!

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> From: Adam Clever
> To: bigbronco ; Fordtrucks

> Subject: submerged smog pump
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 6:46 PM
>
>
> What happens when a smog pump is below the waterline?
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:18:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO

aol.com
Subject: Re: Faxon and service manuals

THANKS ALOT, I'M ON IT.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:05:27 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size

There were 2 F250 models-one had cats, the other-I have one, it has the
F350 axles and weighed enough that it was cat exempt and could burn
regular.

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> From: Rob Bryan
> To: fordtrucks61-79

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> Cc: fordtrucks
> Subject: Re: Smoggy the Weasel and Pipe Size
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 12:51 AM
>
> Brett,
>
> Are you sure you need a cat? A friend of mine had a 86 F-250 with a 460
and
> even with CA emissions it came W/O a catcon. It even ran on regular gas
> when it was sold here and didn't have a placard either on the instrument
> cluster or on the fuel filler doors that said "Unleaded Fuel Only". If
your
> truck is missing the "UFO" messages then it probably came without a
catcon.
> Maybe they were looking in the book for an F150 which would have come
with
> a cat. Also, if your GVWR is over 8500 I can almost guarantee that it
> didn't come with a cat since I believe Ford trucks with this engine and
> weight rating didn't start using catcons until the engine recieved EFI in
> 1988.
>
> Maybe you need to find a more lax testing facility. I've been to more
than
> one that all they did was clip onto the #1 plug wire and stick a probe in
> the tailpipe. No ckecking for catcons, or EGR, or PCV etc... If it passes
> the sniffer it passes...
>
> Good luck with the smog nazis!
> Rob Bryan
>
> At 11:04 PM -0500 10/23/97, Brett McCoy wrote:
> >Well, had to do the annual smog check today. I thought I may have
problems
> >before I got there so I was expecting the worst. I just got my '79 F250
> >Crew Cab about six months ago and the guy I bought it from was real
evasive
> >about the smog check. I thought how bad could it be? It has current
tabs
> >on it. I have been doing some tuning work and have many of the ignition
> >parts replace that were in terrible shape when I bought the truck. I
> >pulled in and the first thing the test tells me is that I need to go in
> >side to the office. Not a good sign. Seems it failed last year and was
> >working on some kind of extension. Got the paper work and pulled back
> >around to have the test. Technician looks for gas caps. That checks
OK.
> >Looks at the sniff test results. That PASSED. I'm thinking this is
great!
> > I passed! Then the little weasel gets out his stupid little mirror and
> >said. You don't have a cat. You failed. Go back to the office.
Crap!!
> >Now I have about thirty days to get my rusty old dual exhaust converted
> >back over to a single cat system in order to met the spec book
> >requirements. The hard part to swallow is that even with not having
> >checked the timing yet and a carb that NEEDS a rebuild I past the
sniffer
> >test. So What Do I Need This Stupid Cat For Anyway!!....

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