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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 294



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In this issue:

Re: [Fwd: chevy 51] ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Headlight problem. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Headlight problem. [Kelly Farough ]
69 460 Good choice? [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: IMHO ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Re Speedometer ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Headlight problem. [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrica]
Re: 69 460 Good choice? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: MSD coil mounting. [Sleddog ]
RE: Shopping List ??--roller rockers [Sleddog ]
RE: [Fwd: chevy 51] [Sleddog ]
Re: Plugs and Carbs [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabricatio]
RE: 69 460 Good choice? [Sleddog ]
Re: Headlight problem. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Headlight problem. [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re: Plugs and Carbs ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: IMHO [John MacNamara ]
Re: Plugs and Carbs--Holly Mods ["woody" ]

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:08:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: chevy 51]

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:29 -0700
> From: Stuart Varner
> Subject: [Fwd: chevy 51]

> P.S. Did I mention, NUKE GM!

Did you know you can build a bow tie ford BB now? I just saw a
picture of bow tie heads for the 460 somewhere?? This is the main
difference between the two, they get better fuel delivery without a
lot of fuss. I also saw a Ch--y head with normal bow tie intake and
ford style exhaust. It seems you can do anything now days :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:14:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

> From: "John Peck"
> Subject: Headlight problem.
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:19:14 -0400

> drive it at night. All lights go out for about 5-10 seconds
> intermittently. A real pain in you know what. I've checked all

Do they go out completely or just dim? If just dim then replace the
regulator for your alternator. I suppose it could even cause them to
go out if the battery was low enough?? I did the same thing on my 78
and couldn't find anything, then one day it wouldn't start and the
light went on (in my head). Been fine ever since. The regulator
must be well grounded too so if the screws are loose and stripped
holding it to the fender well put bolts with nuts on it.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:22:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I

> From: "MICHAEL THOMAS"
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:21:07 -0500
> Subject: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I

> dump the Dura Spark I system that is currently on it and go with a
> Accel or Mallory system. I am currently having a problem with poor
> spark and believe it to be a bad magnetic pickup in the distributor.
> I am low on money and I don't want to replace the whole system, yet

Go to the junk yard and look for 78 or newer vehicles with the blue
seal around the wires in the module and get the whole shebang, dist,
module and coil along with as much of the harness as you can dig out.
Replace the portion going to the coil and distributor with the new
stuff and wire the red input to the module to the start relay by what
ever means and the white wire to the balast resistor and you're all
set. There should be a red wire connected to the ignition switch for
the start circuit so I'd trace that back and find a good spot to
connect to it. (red wire needs 12v when key is in start position,
zero in run position and white wire needs 6 - 8v in run)


Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:47:00 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kelly Farough
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

My 76 Scout did the same thing. It turned out to be dirty connections in
the headlight switch. A real good cleaning with some spray contact cleaner
and everything worked fine

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Bear wrote:

>
> I have had that problem before also. I first tried a dimmer switch. That
> was a waste of money then I tried the head light switch. BINGO that was the
> problem they have worked fine since then. I have since replaced them for
> the same reason in my new 78 F-150, a 90 T-Bird, a 76 Torino, an 83
> Econoline and a 93 T-Bird. So I assume that it is a common problem and alot
> of people may spend alot of time and money trying to figure this out.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Peck
> To: Ford Trucks
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:02 PM
> Subject: Headlight problem.
>
>
> >A few months ago I picked up my first truck, a 69 F100 360. I've done real
> >well in cleaning up the engine and making it run well. I have a few
> >problems to iron out but the biggest headache is I can't drive it at
> >night. All lights go out for about 5-10 seconds intermittently. A real
> >pain in you know what. I've checked all connections and am trying to find
> >any common grounds but no luck. My Chiltons manual has no schematics and
> >Haynes has no listings. If I had a schematic I could probably find it. I
> >DO NOT want to unwrap wire bundles until I know what I am looking for. If
> >anyone can help me I know this place can.
> >
> >Appreciate any response.
> >
> >John Peck
> >
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:06:53 -0700
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: 69 460 Good choice?

I would like to add a big block to my 68 f100 and ive seen 360/390's
but I was at a U pull it salvage yard and they have a 69 Lincoln
with a 4bbl 460 under the hhod..Would this be a good swap???Or is the
460 to hard to convert since it was never offered in the 68;s????
Joe

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:37:01 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:58:41 -0700
> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
> Subject: Re: Advice on '77 Dura Spark I

> As far as the ignition box is concerned, they either work or they
> don't.

If you mean module, not true. I burned up a starter before I
realized the starter was running on due to a short in the module
which kept the start relay energized after releasing the key. The
engine was initially so noisy I didn't notice it but caught it while
working on it in the garage one day (replacing the starter). I
replaced the ignition switch and start relay and checked out the
selenoid on the starter before realizing that something else was
feeding the circuit. The 6 - 8 volts from the run side of the
ignition won't energize the relay but will hold it on once energized
by 12v. This circuit was crossed over in the module :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:46:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: IMHO

> From: "Bear"
> Subject: IMHO
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:00:14 -0500

> IMHO? = In My Honest Opinion?
> Just trying to make sure I have this right....

Humble, humble not honest. Honest isn't humble enough. The idea is
to admit you are giving an opinion and not requiring everyone to
accept it so no one gets his (ladies have to fend for themselves)
widdle feewings huwt IMNSHO :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:50:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Re Speedometer

> From: "Bear"
> Subject: Re: Re Speedometer
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:50:36 -0500

> So where do I get "Autometer Gauges" that seems like a great idea!
> Am I correct in assuming that this is an after market unit?

AutoMeter has a web site and a neat catalog. You can also email them
for info on an intallation. They are one of the better companies for
gauges next to VDO. Stay a way from SunPro IMHO :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 08:51: 9 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

My 80 Bronco will go for weeks without doing it then suddenly the lights
will go off and on like they're being switched. I've read the responses
that suggest the headlight switch, but I've replaced mine twice and no
solution yet. The only place I can find that seems to affect the problem
is where the wires plug into the back of the headlight on the driver's side.
But that doesn't make it happen every time. I keep meaning to fix it, but
the only time I seem to remember it is at night on the road when it happens
and it's too dark to work on it. And hey, when it's daylight you don't need
them anyway, right?

Pat
pharrell bae.uga.edu

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:00:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 69 460 Good choice?

> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:06:53 -0700
> From: Joe DeLaurentis
> Subject: 69 460 Good choice?

> I would like to add a big block to my 68 f100 and ive seen 360/390's
> but I was at a U pull it salvage yard and they have a 69 Lincoln
> with a 4bbl 460 under the hhod..Would this be a good swap???Or is
> the 460 to hard to convert since it was never offered in the
> 68;s???? Joe +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979

It's a very good choice due to good head design in that year and it's
a relatively easy swap if you get a C-6 to go with it. You need
mounts and maybe a larger radiator and the right tranny, then you
just bolt them in :-) (sort of)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:01:37 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: MSD coil mounting.

ithought it was in the manual - i looked but couldn't find it. maybe i
read it in one of those hot rod's top 20 tips articles or something. i
know i spent alot of time on a piece of aluminum making a bracket and
urathane mount so that it would be upright. i did run it on its side for
about a year with no problems though.

sleddog

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From: sdelanty sonic.net[SMTP:sdelanty sonic.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 2:18 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: MSD coil mounting.

> if you use a blaster coil it
>should be mounted upright, not on its side.


Hey sleddog,
What's the philosophy with the coil mounting?
I've had my blaster mounted on it's side for over a year now.
Why is upright better? I don't recall anything in the MSD manual..


>if you use the ford destributer get the large rotor and cap it prevents
>crossfire much better.
>and one commonly missed thing is do not allow the #7 & #8 plug wires to be
>next to each other as they will crossfire.

Yes! The large cap and rotor made a BIG difference with my
FE duraspark/MSD setup. I *highly* recommend it.
I've seen problems with the adjacent firing #7 & #8 wires also.
Good plug wire routing is critical with a high energy ign system.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty









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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:25:15 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Shopping List ??--roller rockers

if you have pedastal mounted rockers, crane sells a kit that converts it
for use with adjustable valvetrain and roller rockers. this is what i used
on my 73 heads. the early (till 70 i think, not sure right now) heads are
stud mounted rockers and therefore dont require anything else. of course
the pedastal mount type can be machined to accept studs and guide plates.
with the crane kit, heat treated pushrods are not needed as they are
guided by nylon guides.

the reasons i used the harland sharp rockers was the price and the 1.73
ratio. many other companies sell a shorter ratio part.

sleddog

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From: woody[SMTP:wfriesen worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 9:41 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Shopping List ??--roller rockers

> IMHO the better rockers are well worth
> it with a cam over .525 lift, 280 dur. and the rollers are definatley
woth
> it even just for the savings in friction and they should last longer. i
am
> currently using harland sharp roller rockers (under $200 when i got them)

> 1.73 ratio and am very pleased. i think they are the best for the buck,
> bet there are better ones available. if you don't see a listing for the
> 460, the BB chevy ones are the same AFAIK.

Kevin,

Can they be used "as is"--since you mention Chevy ones are the same, are
screw-in studs required or other head machine work before they can be
installed?

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net








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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:33:26 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: [Fwd: chevy 51]

for many years, blue thunder has been sellling 460 heads with BB chevy
exhaust ports. they are the best flowing 460 head (not including the
semi-hemi) ever available. the exhaust ports are monstrous compared to
even the CJ heads. these heads basically correct what i feel was the
biggest mistake ford made on these engines, besides not offereing one in a
mid 80's mustang!

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:08 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: chevy 51]

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:45:29 -0700
> From: Stuart Varner
> Subject: [Fwd: chevy 51]

> P.S. Did I mention, NUKE GM!

Did you know you can build a bow tie ford BB now? I just saw a
picture of bow tie heads for the 460 somewhere?? This is the main
difference between the two, they get better fuel delivery without a
lot of fuss. I also saw a Ch--y head with normal bow tie intake and
ford style exhaust. It seems you can do anything now days :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --






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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:36:11 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

- -------------------------------------
I put a Carter AFB on my 351C. It's much better than a Holley. When
you get the Ford linkage you will also need a special Cable Mounting
Bracket. A 625 CFM is a little small for a 460. I think the equation
is: Displacement in Cu. In/3456 X maximum RPM

- ------------------------------------
I just read that formula this morning on sizing your carb. Holley says
oversizing the carb is the biggest mistake they see. What I read said
also to not assume more than 85 % efficiency though. So just take 85 %
of your result. I've pretty much decided to give up on Holleys too.
Mine just idles too rich no matter what I try, and will flood for no
apparent reason. The last thing I'm going to try is to drill holes in the
throttle blades and/or put small wires in the idle circuit passages to
restrict fuel flow. Anybody else ever try this? I've been thinking of
an Edelbrock or Carter. They appear to be the same to me, but one guy
I know with an Edelbrock says they're not. I know Webber makes
the Edelbrock, but I don't know about the Carter.?

Pat
pharrell bae.uga.edu

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:38:36 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 69 460 Good choice?

it is not too hard of a swap, but i can tell you this. that is the best
year to find. look at it again and see if it has power steering pump on
the crank end instead of belt driven. these styles are excelant swap
engines as there are a lot less clearance problems with accessories. i
just don't know if parts are astill available for the PS pump anymore.
the 69 is a good engine for a truck, but just remember the compression was
11.5:1 and you may have a detonation problem. with good engine prep you
shouldn't - like polishing the combustion chambers, etc.

sleddog

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From: Joe DeLaurentis[SMTP:shoman p3.net]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:06 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 69 460 Good choice?

I would like to add a big block to my 68 f100 and ive seen 360/390's
but I was at a U pull it salvage yard and they have a 69 Lincoln
with a 4bbl 460 under the hhod..Would this be a good swap???Or is the
460 to hard to convert since it was never offered in the 68;s????
Joe






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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:01:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

> From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
> Subject: Re: Headlight problem.
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 08:51: 9 EDT

> My 80 Bronco will go for weeks without doing it then suddenly the
> lights will go off and on like they're being switched. I've read the

This sounds like a chasis ground or bad wire. I lost my tail lightes
one night and it turned out that the insulation cracked on my old
wires and allowd a spot to corrode inside the insulation till the
contact failed. Took me a while to find it but there was a green
tell tale right were the break was due to the rotting copper :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:02:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

In a message dated 97-10-16 16:17:18 EDT, you write:

>

There is a breaker (somewhere in the system) that will shut down the lights
in case of current overload. The problem is this breaker gets old and
shutsdown long before it should. I had this problem too, but only if the
highbeams were on for more than an hour or so.

The problem is, I dont know where this breaker is in the system. It may be
in the switch. Seeing that two people have already responding saying they
had the same problem go away when they replaced the switch, I suggest that...

- - Mike

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:13:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

> From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
> Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:36:11 EDT

> restrict fuel flow. Anybody else ever try this? I've been thinking
> of an Edelbrock or Carter. They appear to be the same to me, but one
> guy I know with an Edelbrock says they're not. I know Webber makes
> the Edelbrock, but I don't know about the Carter.?

How come I don't hear much about Rochester swaps? Just cuz there are
only a few spread bore manifolds for Fords out there may have
something to do with it?? You will never, never, never beat the
efficiency of a spread bore with a square bore carb. IMHO, it's
worth the extra cost of the special manifold to get it. GM certainly
saw TWOTW. They offered it on almost all models they made. Ford saw
it too but didn't stick with the standard unfortunately. Has anyone
seen any manifolds for Fords other than the Offy's???

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:05:16 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: IMHO

Couldbe "In My Humble Opinion"

Bear wrote:

> IMHO? = In My Honest Opinion?
> Just trying to make sure I have this right....
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:46:23 -0600
From: "woody"
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs--Holly Mods

> I've pretty much decided to give up on Holleys too.
> Mine just idles too rich no matter what I try, and will flood for no
> apparent reason. The last thing I'm going to try is to drill holes in the

> throttle blades and/or put small wires in the idle circuit passages to
> restrict fuel flow. Anybody else ever try this?

Pat,

I've fought with a Holly double pumper--small primaries/large secondaries
on an XXX 327 for a number of years--tried the holes in the throttle blades
and saw in a "tech tip" in Carcraft June 1997 that suggested the holes
should be bigger. Tried that--no real improvement; the local state
emissions techs (Colorado) I talked to a few weeks ago about a retrofit
seemed impressed with Holly's new computer programmable pro-jection
carb/injection units, but at $1200 I'm not ready for that! Picked up a....


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