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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, October 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 291



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In this issue:

Speedometer ["Bear" ]
Re: Cooling system question ["deconblu" ]
Re: heater - Read This Please! ["Eric J. Kulig"
carb/man FOR SALE [james oxley ]
'61 Frame VIN Location? ["Eric J. Kulig"
Rear end seal replacement? ["Eric J. Kulig"
Shopping List ?? [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: Rear end seal replacement? [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Re: electronic ignition [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
heater ["art l" ]
Re: 300-3speed swap [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re: heater [Ken Payne ]
Re: coil [SuperMagot aol.com]
RE: Ch*vy truck questions- but with Ford intent.. [Sleddog
RE: Shopping List ?? [Sleddog ]
RE: electronic ignition [Sleddog ]
RE: Strange Vibrations-360 [Sleddog ]

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:26:55 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Speedometer

I have a 78 F-150 Ranger it now has a 351W with a FMX transmission from a 76
Torino. My speedometer is off, I do 45 when everyone else is at 55 - 60
and 25when every one else does 30-35. Is there an easy way to fix this?
Also when I was at the junkyard on Wednesday I saw a 76 F-150 with a 100
mph speedometer while mine is only a 80. I was thinking that if I put that
in it might help my problem because the Torino had a 120 speedo. Also I
have a ALT light and an OIL light if I get a cluster with gauges does it
just plug in or does it need something else added in.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:41:50 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Cooling system question

Just my .02!
My '73 F-100 has both vent and temp controls. They probable found out
the same thing I did on the way to work one night.
Having no patience nor common sense, I would get in my truck and turn
the heat up to full open the vent and put the fan on high. When it got to
broil in the cab I'd roll the window down a little, kick the fan off and
flip the vent shut, leaving the heat on high to keep it comfortable in the
cab. One night I didn't kick the fan off, just flipped the vent shut. After
a couple blocks the windshield began to fog up (or so I thought) I reached
over flipped the vent over to defrost it and flames flashed up out of the
defroster vents, being powered by a blower turned up on high. Well let me
tell you, it took me about a nanosecond to realize I don't want my defroster
vent open and closed it again.
Smoke had filled the cab and was so thick I couldn't inhale (same
feeling as getting the wind knocked out of you). So I'm rolling down the
window and pulling over to the side of the road, I can't see, can't breath,
but on this cold winter night with the window down, it was nice and toastie
warm in the cab of my truck.
I got the truck to the side of the road, stopped and in park, but I was
unable to find the key to shut off the truck. So exit stage left. I walked
around to the passenger side (giving me time to get my wind back plus I'd be
closer to my fire extinguisher) and opened the door. Smoke was rolling out
from under the dash and out the defroster vents. Standing there, getting
ready to dive in, I could see two pillars of smoke swirling out and up from
the open doors. Well enough sight seeing I had a job to do. I estimated the
location of the key and fire extinguisher, formulated my plan of attack and
dove into the cab. (a side note: if there was a child in there, I would be a
hero) It took a little longer to find the key than planned, but it was found
and the truck was shut off. The fire extinguisher hit me a couple times
going for the key so it wasn't a problem. Out of the truck to breath then in
for the kill. I opened the vent and angled the fire extinguishers nozzle
down into the vents and emptied it's contents. Ever pull the trigger on a
fire extinguisher? White powder under high pressure, point blank at a
dashboard? Needless to say, white power was everywhere, except in the
defroster vents. Yep, just smoke and flames in there! Well that was it.
Nothing left for me to do. I'm leaving! I reached in the cab and grabbed my
lunch box and large thermos of coffee... Wait... OK, It's worth a try. Quick
breath and in I go. pouring coffee down the vents. Fire out, some work to
do.
How it happened and what needed to be done to fix it some other time!
Later

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:02:18 EST
From: "Eric J. Kulig"
Subject: Re: heater - Read This Please!

Art,

> Well with all the talk about heaters latley, I thought I might as well
> throw in the trouble I have been having with mine. I have a 78 F-250, 400M.
> When the engine heats up, and I turn on the heater, I get steam comming out
> of the vents, at least I think its steam. The windows fog up and a mist
> fills the cab.

Be sure to get that fixed, or at least bypass the heater core with a
bypass in the engine compartment. That steam and fog you're
not only seeing, but breathing as well! I had a friend who inhaled
this mist from his car on a 3 hour trip home from college. It was
cold outside so naturally he had his defroster on the whole time. He
ended up spending his 3 day Thanksgiving holiday in the hospital with
some very odd kidney problems, (due to some blood toxicity) that
later his doctor blamed on inhaling the coolant mist a day earlier!

Eric

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"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:27:00 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: carb/man FOR SALE

Howdy

I have a Holly, 600 CFM, vac sec w/electric choke and 351W performer
manifold for sale. Looking for 210$ for the pair. Very little use.

OX

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:25:05 EST
From: "Eric J. Kulig"
Subject: '61 Frame VIN Location?

Well I finally had some time yesterday to work on my old truck....
(you can usually tell when I've been tinkering 'cuz I have a bunch of
questions...... here they come!)

I seem to remember hearing that there are two VIN locations on the
'61 F100 trucks.... in the glovebox (found that one) and the other
on the frame rails??? I looked on the frame rails in the engine
compartment and didn't see anything. Is this the right spot?

TIA,
Eric

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"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:31:40 EST
From: "Eric J. Kulig"
Subject: Rear end seal replacement?

The oil seal on my truck's rear-end is leaking pretty badly and
needs replacement. I'm not sure what the technical name is but it is
the seal that is pressed into the "front of the pumpkin" where the
driveshaft connects.

It was hard for me to tell by looking at it if it's as simple as
dropping the driveshaft and prying out the seal over the rear U-joint
flange/shaft (that sticks out of the pumpkin) and installing a new
seal - or does the shaft (and rearend) have to come apart to remove
and replace this seal?

Eric

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"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:39:29 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Shopping List ??

Ok, the first package arrived today from summit racing with
gaskets,valve springs, cam & lifters...(oil pump and rings BACK
ORDERED). Next Items needed are push rods, timing chain,rocker arms,
anyone have suggestions on these items... I've heard that a gear drive
takes horse power away ?? YES OR NO ??... Are heat treated push rods
worth the xtra money ??....and what about the rocker arms..is it really
worth the $75.00 to $125.00 for the high performance rockers ??

And has anyone ever used the "PREDATOR" carb ? is it a good choice, or
is a holley better ??


About motor..its a '71 429/460 bored .030 , 10.5:1 pistons, DOVE
heads, currently have an Edelbrock performer (but am considering a
switch to a Weiand Stealth, cam is a crane Intake 262/479, exhaust
272/504

Motor is going into my '64 F100 2wheel. is already set up for big
block...not sure of rearend ratio yet as I haven't really worked on it
to this point, its a winter project.

Thanks for your response !!

Brian
'64 F100 shortbox
'78 F150 4x4
'96 F150 4x4 shortbox
'97 J**P Wrangler

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:47:14 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Rear end seal replacement?

Eric, you have to drop the driveshaft...remove the large nut for the
yoke, and tap the yoke lightly toward the tranny to remove it. then the
seal will be ready for you to pry it out. clean all the rust and junk
away from the pinion seal are prior to removal so it doesn't fall into
the rearend. I've also found that after you remove the yoke that if you
clean it up on a wire wheel it helps. don't wire brush the area where
the seal rides, just get it clean to that point, also I've found that a
light film of grease around the seal area on the yoke helps it seat
better and reduces the possibility of a tear to the seal.
Brian

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:57:22 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

Sleddog wrote:
>
> how about telling me what you want the motor to do, then i'll make a suggestion.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 9:51 AM
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: electronic ignition
>
> Hey Sleddog, I need a electronic set up for my motor. I really don't
> know what to use. Appears that you've had much experience with the
> 429/460. How about passing on some info as to what I should buy to get
> it right for my '64. Engine from what you've all told me appears to be
> the '71 version. There's nothing under the hood of the truck. what do
> you recommend ??
>
> Thanks...Brian
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I'm looking for low end power, but also a vehicle that I can take on a
long cruise...I have no ignition in truck now so I need a complete
system. I'd like to have a good system, msd/accel/mallory
or possibly stock ?

Thanks,,Brian

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:52:41 -0700
From: "art l"
Subject: heater

Hey, I sent a post in yesterday about having steam come from my heater,
I did not get the digest it should have been in #288. I did see your
response DC, and yes there is a sweet smell. I think its the anti-freeze
that causes that smell, so I was pretty sure I had some kind of hole in the
core. I was just hopeing there might be another cause I did not think of.
Thanks
Jim S. went to your site and checked out your Halloween page. Great
graghics, had no problems with it.
Art Lutz

78 F-250 XLT Ranger, 400M

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:31:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: 300-3speed swap

>Any idea what all is involed? Will
>I have to get rid of the 3 speed? Do i need to change mounts? What about
>the driveshaft and rearend? Talk to ya'll later!

I have a 70 2WD with a 240 and a 3 speed column (orginially).

Keeping that 3 speed is probably not a good idea. It wont handle the torque
and the gear range is not right for a 460.

I swapped a 460/C-6 combo in it.

Things thats worked ok:

Engine Pedastals (You may have to move them one notch forward - I did)
Transmission Cross Member and mounting hardware
Rearend (most are pretty sturdy)
Throttle Linkage

Things I had to replace:
Engine Mounts
Radiator (too small to cool a big block)

The driveshaft had to be worked on. The length wasn't right after the swap,
and the end that goes into the transmission needed a bigger ?yoke?. I picked
up the yoke a junkyard and had a professional drivetrain shop cut and balance
the shaft. This ended up being a pain because although I measured the new
length of the driveshaft correctly (I THOUGHT) after putting it a few hundred
miles on it, things must of have shifted around because the driveshaft began
to slip out...(very dangerous, can you say pole-vault?).

Although I had some problems with this swap, it was well worth it.
Theres nothing like going from a straight six to a well-built 460 and feeling
the power!

Good luck, Mike

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:35:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: heater

At 07:52 AM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Hey, I sent a post in yesterday about having steam come from my heater,
>I did not get the digest it should have been in #288. I did see your
>response DC, and yes there is a sweet smell. I think its the anti-freeze
>that causes that smell, so I was pretty sure I had some kind of hole in the
>core. I was just hopeing there might be another cause I did not think of.
>Thanks
> Jim S. went to your site and checked out your Halloween page. Great
>graghics, had no problems with it.
>Art Lutz
>
>78 F-250 XLT Ranger, 400M
>
Looks like 288 didn't go out. I didn't get it either.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: coil

>I'm replacing the stock coil on my 78'. Has anyone noticed any better
>performance from one brand or another. I'm thing of the msd.

I have always used Mallory and gotten good performance results. They also
have excellent customer service.
I have a distributor and a coil from them and had an unexplained failure with
them. I sent them both to Mallory with a nice letter and they replaced them
both for no charge...

That kind of Customer Service is rare and I will be a Mallory customer until
I am dust!

- - Mike

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:07:07 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Ch*vy truck questions- but with Ford intent..

i'd like to see the ford drive train swap. it'll sure make me feel better
after seeing all those beautiful mid '50's ford trucks with those horrible
sb ch~vy engines and nova front ends and GM steering columns, and . . .

sleddog

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From: deconblu[SMTP:deconblu gte.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 12:15 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Ch*vy truck questions- but with Ford intent..

Good Luck Bro! If you talk her into dropping a Ford in it, keep us posted!

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:28:17 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Shopping List ??

- ----------
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 10:39 AM
To: Fordtrucks
Subject: Shopping List ??

Ok, the first package arrived today from summit racing with
gaskets,valve springs, cam & lifters...(oil pump and rings BACK
ORDERED). Next Items needed are push rods, timing chain,rocker arms,
anyone have suggestions on these items... I've heard that a gear drive
takes horse power away ?? YES OR NO ??... Are heat treated push rods
worth the xtra money ??....and what about the rocker arms..is it really
worth the $75.00 to $125.00 for the high performance rockers ??


you NEED the HT push rods if you have guide plates, else wise with your cam
it would probobly be money wasted. IMHO the better rockers are well worth
it with a cam over .525 lift, 280 dur. and the rollers are definatley woth
it even just for the savings in friction and they should last longer. i am
currently using harland sharp roller rockers (under $200 when i got them)
1.73 ratio and am very pleased. i think they are the best for the buck,
bet there are better ones available. if you don't see a listing for the
460, the BB chevy ones are the same AFAIK.

And has anyone ever used the "PREDATOR" carb ? is it a good choice, or
is a holley better ??

the perdater (my cousin used one) worked very well with crisp responce and
good top end. but, the air cleaner holder was cheep (stripped right away)
and it was very tempermental. it changed with the weather like no other
carb i have seen. and they are not as easy to tune as the predater sales
guy will lead you to believe. it sounds easy, but takes just as much trial
and error as a holley to get the mixture right. oh yeah, it worked fine on
a 390 FE without the street kit (they call it an idle kit i think) that
they will try to sell you.


About motor..its a '71 429/460 bored .030 , 10.5:1 pistons, DOVE
heads, currently have an Edelbrock performer (but am considering a
switch to a Weiand Stealth, cam is a crane Intake 262/479, exhaust
272/504

go with the weiand. it gives just as much bottom end as the Edelbrock, but
a whole lot more top end. i was very pleased with one on a 460 (comp cams
292 retarded 4 deg.)


sleddog

Motor is going into my '64 F100 2wheel. is already set up for big
block...not sure of rearend ratio yet as I haven't really worked on it
to this point, its a winter project.

Thanks for your response !!

Brian
'64 F100 shortbox
'78 F150 4x4
'96 F150 4x4 shortbox
'97 J**P Wrangler






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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:53:04 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: electronic ignition

i would suggest a stock destributer and ignition. a little better i would
suggest a msd 6a box and blaster coil. you will probobly need to play with
the destributor to get it to the best possible point. go with a late model
durospark setup. another possibily is the davis unified ignition. it is
like the chevy HEI (but better!) so everything is under the destributer
cap. it is a simple clean installation. if money is not a concern any of
the aftermarket destibuters work well but i prefer the msd unit PN8580.
for more money, if you don't like to screw around with wieghts, springs,
and bushings in the destributer, go with the MSD timing computer PN 8981.
you need to lock out all advance features on the destributer to use this.
i like mine as timng is so easily adjusted. if you use a blaster coil it
should be mounted upright, not on its side.
if you use the ford destributer get the large rotor and cap it prevents
crossfire much better.
and one commonly missed thing is do not allow the #7 & #8 plug wires to be
next to each other as they will crossfire.
the plug wires i would choose would be the 8.8 accel or the 8.5 MSD wires.
get the preassembled wires as making your own set really blows. (trust
me).

if i missed something just ask. i know i didn't give a "pick this way to
do it answer", but it all really comes down to money and visual appeal a
motor like you have (not a big cam 600 hp motor). but if you intend on
later on going to a bigger cam, bigger carb, single plane etc, get a good
ignition now and it will be there for you later. (that's the way i try to
do things).

also, i have heard great things about jacobs ignition, but have no personal
experience - i sure would like to try one some day though.

sleddog

- ----------
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 10:57 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

Sleddog wrote:
>
> how about telling me what you want the motor to do, then i'll make a
suggestion.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 9:51 AM
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: electronic ignition
>
> Hey Sleddog, I need a electronic set up for my motor. I really don't
> know what to use. Appears that you've had much experience with the
> 429/460. How about passing on some info as to what I should buy to get
> it right for my '64. Engine from what you've all told me appears to be
> the '71 version. There's nothing under the hood of the truck. what do
> you recommend ??
>
> Thanks...Brian
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I'm looking for low end power, but also a vehicle that I can take on a
long cruise...I have no ignition in truck now so I need a complete
system. I'd like to have a good system, msd/accel/mallory
or possibly stock ?

Thanks,,Brian






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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:12:54 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Strange Vibrations-360

i don't know for sure, but i think it is the balancer. but you better get
to it quick, as that kind of vibration will not only shake your teeth out,
but some engine parts too. once that rubber gets bad, it cannot absorb the
energy properly.

sleddog

- ----------
From: Richard Cherico[SMTP:rkc6793 unix.tamu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:05 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Strange Vibrations-360

I've got a 360 that I just rebuilt in my '68 F100. The motor is a '68, has
an Erson RV-10 cam, HO oil pump, Edelbrock 1406 600cmf carb, 4bbl intake
off of a '65 Galaxie or something, and is bored 040 over. I've got about
3k on the motor since the rebuild. Anyway, it's got this bad vibration
right at 2000RPM. You start to feel it at 1800RPM, it rattles your teeth
at 2000RPM, but it's gone by 2200RPM. Wierd. I was foolish not to have
the motor balanced while it was at the machine shop, but that's behind me
now. One thing that I did notice when I pulled the harmonic balancer was
that the layer of rubber between the inner metal donut and the outer metal
donut was dryrotted and cracking badly. Could this vibration be created by
a bad balancer? If so then I'm home free. If not, what else should I look
at? It's got fresh mounts any place that power/drivetrain is bolted to the
frame.
While it was at the machine shop, the wrist pins were rebushed and the....


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