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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, October 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 285



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In this issue:

Re: Ron's Bronco ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Difference between 360/390 (FT#282) ["George Shepherd"
Re: Shop Manuals ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Cam Spec's ?? [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: Ron's Bronco [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
RE: electronic ignition [Sleddog ]
Re: electronic ignition [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #284 ["Mike Masse" ]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Water Pump Motor [RCCRAZZZY aol.com]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Ron's Bronco ["Jason K. Schechner" ]
Re: electronic ignition [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Need your thoughts [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Cooling system question ["RICH ANZALONE" ]
Re: electronic ignition ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:50:57 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Ron's Bronco

Transmission---"G" is C4
Axle should be a Ford 9", there were 2 types. A 28 spline and a 32 spline.
32 spline had bigger dia. shafts. Original was 3.50 ratio.
Your original engine is an 8-400. (this confuses me as I did not think any
400's came with a C4, I thought they all had C6's.)
There are 2 types of C6 housings, one for small block windsors and the
other for 351m, 400m and 460. Since I am now confused about the 400m engine
you have, I can just say you need the correct C6 housing. Make sure the
tail shaft is the one for a transfer case and not a 2 wheeler.

If you know which type bearing you have, just cross-reference it and get
replacements. Ford can probably help you with which type housing you have.
Count the axle splines to determine which carrier you have.

George Shepherd

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> From: rons
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Ron's Bronco
> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 8:50 PM
>
> Chassis # -------------U15SLFB4633
> Year-----------------------1979
> Date-----------------------5/79
> W.B.----------------------104
> Color----------------------L
> Type/GVW-------------C151
> Body----------------------GR1
> Transmission------------G
> Axle-----------------------H2A
> Rear axle bearing----Bower RB1579
> GVWR-------------------6400 LBS/2902 KGS
> Front GVWR----------2990 LBS/1356 KGS
> Rear GVWR-----------3580 LBS/1623 KGS
> Rims---------------------15 X 8 OJJ
> Tires----------------------10-15C 35 PSI
>
>
> Hi,
> This is the first time I have written for help but I have been reading
> every post that has been received. Above are my 79 Bronco specs.
> Is the G transmission a C4 and if so what will it take to replace it
with
> a C6?
> What vehicles will have a C6 that fits mine?
> I have removed the rear axle bearing on the left because it has failed.
I
> presume that the reason is the low fluid level of the rear axle assembly
> which usually gets the left rear bearing first because of the crown in
the
> road. It's the first to go dry.
> The axle is a semi-floating that is illustrated on page 169 of my Haynes
> manual ( Ford Pick-ups & Bronco 1973-1979 ).
> The problem is the rear axle is not what is supposed to be there. I
have
> taken home the bearings that the local company's have given me to replace
> it with and they all are larger shafts than I have. Their numbers do not
> match mine on the bearing race which is Bower RB1579. This number is
on
> the seal race pressed on the shaft. As usual the rear axle does not have
> the info tag on it. HELP!
> Really appreciate any help.
> Thanks,
> Ron--Bronco Lover
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:06:46 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Difference between 360/390 (FT#282)

I think you talking about "How to Rebuild Big Block Ford Engines" by Steve
Christ. Published by HP Books. ISBN 0-89586-070-8.

Looks like the heads are the same for 360/390, unless your talking about
special high compression heads.

George Shepherd

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> From: Alan Mittelstaedt
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Difference between 360/390 (FT#282)
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 12:44 AM
>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:05:09 -0500
> > From: "Donald R. Screen"
> > Subject: Re: Difference between 360/390 (FT#278)
> >
> > > different crank, rods, and pistons. There should be a difference in
the
> > > cylinder head casting number. I have loaned out my FE book with
casting
> > > numbers for ID of the crank and heads, but here's a shot at it
anyway.
> >
> > Alan,
> > What's the name of the FE book that you have that shows casting
numbers
> > for IDing the crank and heads? My Ford FE library is growing steadily,
> > but still don't have a book like this. Is it a factory shop manual?
> > Got my Ford Red book from Amazon.com. Only took about 3 days from
> > ordering to receipt! Has great VIN, options, motor info...well worth
the
> > $8.71 price...shipping was $3.95. Answered completely my questions
about
> > what is included in the Ranger XLT package. Many of these list
questions
> > can be answered using this little book.
> >
> > Don
> > Allen, Texas
>
> Don--
>
> I can't remember the exact name.. I think it's something like "How to
> Hot Rod Big Block Fords" or something of that nature. It has a blue
> cover, yellow title, and has a nice picture of a 428/Mustang engine bay
> on the cover (I wish that was my car!). I got my copy at Champion's in
> the literature section. It also has a section on the 385 series
> engines. I wish I could get ahold of my dad.. he has it, and he drives
> over the road. Won't be hearing from him for a while :-(. It has
> crank, rod, block, head, and maybe manifold casting numbers. Lots of
> good information, wish I could share it with you. Hope you can find a
> copy, I'm looking for another, my dad likes mine too much! If I find
> another copy, I'll post the ISBN number or other info to the list.
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:07:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

> From: "George Shepherd"
> Subject: Re: Shop Manuals
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:33:14 -0500

> Helm publishes the Ford factory manual-the ones the dealers use.
> They have an 800 # and do mail order. I have bought a number of Ford
> manuals from them and am a real happy customer.

Faxon also has used versions of almost all of them, so if Helms
doesn't have them Faxon may. They have a web site. This is where I
got mine for my 78's.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:25:28 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Cam Spec's ??

Does any body have an older Rhoads book ?? I can't remember what the
specs were for my cam. The part number is L-901, is for a 429/460
and was made in aprox. 1989. Cam has only about 10,000 miles on it and
I'm considering re-using it. Also, I have all the parts and goodies from
L&L for stuffing a 429/460 into a '79 F150 4x4 supercab. ( chrome
headers, motor mounts, ps bracket, alternator bracket, etc.) will these
goodies work for my conversion into my 64' F100 ??

Thanks for your input !!

Brian

'64 F100 shortbox
'78 F150 4x4
'96 F150 4x4 shortbox
'97 J**P wrangler

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:30:03 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Ron's Bronco

Ron, Just give the guy's at your auto store the numbers from your
bearings...they can look it up and see what year those bearings fit and
give ya some new ones. chances are somebody trashed the rearend and
bought one from a boneyard to replace it rather than repairing it.
its sometimes cheaper to replace than repair..and many rearends will
bolt up to your application..

BRIAN

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:40:58 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: electronic ignition

i have been using an all msd ignition on a 460, destributur, msd-6al,
blaster coil, and timing computer. the system works well and i can use
large plug gaps. i have only had one problem and the tech line helped me
more than i ever expected. my motor would start and run well, then after
getting warm would quit with no spark. if i shut it off even a little
before getting warm, it would loose all spark. (it was a ! #$ getting it
back on the trailer after the pulls!) turns out that the magnetic pickup
was bad and wouldn't send a signal once it soaked up some heat. i have
heard that the ignition boxes do go bad often, but mine hasn't. they are
still the racers choice for ignition, but there are other companies out
there selling good products, like jacobs for example.

sleddog

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From: Tim Baker[SMTP:mei home.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 4:56 PM
To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
Subject: FW: electronic ignition



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From: Tim Baker
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 1997 9:36 PM
To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
Subject: RE: electronic ignition

I've used one similiar on my 69 cougar and mustang without a problem I like
it a lot and very simple to use and install along with no parts that will
wear or go bad---though on my 56 F-100 I am thinking about an all MSD ign.
unless someone knows something bad about them.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:51:29 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

Hey Sleddog, I need a electronic set up for my motor. I really don't
know what to use. Appears that you've had much experience with the
429/460. How about passing on some info as to what I should buy to get
it right for my '64. Engine from what you've all told me appears to be
the '71 version. There's nothing under the hood of the truck. what do
you recommend ??

Thanks...Brian

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:34:31 CST
From: "Mike Masse"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #284

Check this out:
"SPLITFIRE SETTLES FTC CHARGES: ECONOMY, EFFICIENCY CLAIMS ARE
DECEPTIVE"
You can read the article at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ftc.gov/opa/9702/splitfir.htm
but basicaly it says that Splitfire can't back up any of their
claims.

> replace the plugs. What do you guys think about Splitfire Plugs? Are they
> worth the extra cost?? Would I be better off with the Champion
>Gold plugs for half the cost?
>
Mike Masse
Dept of Medicine
H6/289
265-8513
mrm medicine.wisc.edu
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:33:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:52:10 -0700
> Subject: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> remove it again to fix it. The holes were cast all over the place.
> Some were centered up good, and some were shifted sideways 3/16"!!
> Nice quality guys. I thought yesterday sucked. Little did I
> know...

I've been here with other projects so what I'm about to say is with
some cringing cuz I don't like delays either but I would have sent it
back without any mods.

> off it. That's when I noticed the hole. That little pinhole from
> Now mind You, I didn't grind thru into the port. The wall is still
> over 1/8" thick there, but there's this long thin casting bubble
> that starts in the port and I ground into it from the other side.
> It left a hole big enough to poke a #18 wire from the pushrod side
> into the port. THAT would have made cylinder #7 an oil burner for
> sure.

This needs to brought to their attention, ASAP IMHO :-)

> distributor goes in easily. Too easily. The dist hole in the
> edelbrock is HUGE! It's almost .070" bigger than the one in the
> stock manifold, and it's not centered very well. Distributor is

This is unacceptable. Your distributor will not interface with the
cam properly and at best you will get excessive wear on the cam gear
and dist gear. At worst it will cause a catastrophic failure which
will damage other parts of the engine.

> Fine. Off comes the carb again. Well, it turns out that the
> edelbroke manifold has a very small carb flange. The sealing edges
> are very narrow compared to the stock manifold, and the stock
> spacer block which is hollow on the bottom and only seals around
> the edges will NOT work on the edelbroke. Aaarrggghh!!

I have one on my 351M which I assumed was improperly torqued since
the carb pad is not flat and I had to do some creative torquing of
the carb nuts to get it to seal and allow the secondaries to close
all the way. It was already on the engine when I bought the truck so
I just did the jury rig to get it running. If I had just purchased
it, it would have gone right back :-(

Call them and tell them what happened. If they value their customer
relations they should make it right. Mention that you are also a
member of several web news groups/info lists and will make sure they
all hear about it :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCCRAZZZY aol.com
Subject: Water Pump Motor

I own a 1978 Ford bronco and I am building up the motor for off roading. I
want to know if I add an electric water pump motor will it short out if it
comes in contact with water or should I just not add one at all?

Thankyou
Rccrazzzy aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:23:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:22:32 -0500
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> Well I can see now that I'm going for the WEIAND STEALTH !!!
> I don't need no stinking EDELBROKE !!

I've been looking at the Offenhouser dual, dual plane with separate
plane for the secondaries. This is the only spread bore manifold
offered by anyone for the 460 that I've found so far. I really
believe in the spread bore concept and am really incensed at Ford for
not using the standard configuration so I could just bolt on a
Rochester or Carter if I want. Everyone has a bad day and all
companies make bad parts some time but this horror story has just
about confinced me to try someone else when I make the move. That
and the fact that they don't offer a spread bore verson for the 460
:-(

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:00:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> From: SuperMagot aol.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

> I also put a Performer on my 460, and again, had no problems. The
> performace gain was worth it.
>
> I wonder if you have a "weird" FE block?

I figure it was when he flattened the carb with the 6# hammer.
Probly widened the "Y" between the cylinders a little so nothing fits
now :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason K. Schechner"
Subject: Re: Ron's Bronco

On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, rons wrote:

> Chassis # -------------U15SLFB4633
> Year-----------------------1979
> Date-----------------------5/79
> W.B.----------------------104
> Color----------------------L
> Type/GVW-------------C151
> Body----------------------GR1
> Transmission------------G
> Axle-----------------------H2A
> Rear axle bearing----Bower RB1579
> GVWR-------------------6400 LBS/2902 KGS
> Front GVWR----------2990 LBS/1356 KGS
> Rear GVWR-----------3580 LBS/1623 KGS
> Rims---------------------15 X 8 OJJ
> Tires----------------------10-15C 35 PSI
>
>
> Hi,
> This is the first time I have written for help but I have been reading
> every post that has been received. Above are my 79 Bronco specs.
> Is the G transmission a C4 and if so what will it take to replace it with
> a C6?
> What vehicles will have a C6 that fits mine?

Odds are that you've got a C6. Over on the BigBronco list (e-mail
me for more detail) I don't think there's a single 78/79 with a C4.

- -Jason, manager BigBroncos list: 78-96 full-sized Broncos
79 Bronco (351M, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - BGHOSS (coming soon)
95 Mustang GT - LTLHOS - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing
84 Kawasaki GPz550 - TNYHOS - to make up for the Broncos' appetite

- -----
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Let me know if your e-mail to me bounces: Send to FiXXiT bigfoot.com
===The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has bounds===

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:18:09 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

>Steve, it is a stock 352 V8. Will an electronic ignition distributor from a
>390 fit a 352? I know a lot of the parts will interchange but wasn't sure
>about this one. Mike

Yes! Grab a duraspark from a '75 or'76 FE360 or 390 and drop it right
in to Your FE352!
I got a rebuilt one at the auto parts store for about $45. + core ($20)
Nice new bushings, not all sloppy like a wrecking Yard one. (-:
Got the core dist, and all the wiring and and electronic "box" at
the wreckers. Get the cap adapter, rotor and LARGE dist cap w/8mm wires
also. You can find these in abundance on 302's at the wreckers.
Some parts guys can't find the big cap and rotor for FE, but tell them
it's for a 302 and they'll set You up. Lotsa people don't know that
the 302 large cap, adapter, rotor, and 8.5mm wires fits the FE
distributor also... But we do! (-:

Steve Delanty



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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:18:12 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts

>Hello everyone, I'm a a proud owner of a 78', but a friend of mine
>wants
>to buy a late 60's early 70' model and would like your comments and
> suggestions on these years. It will be a daily driver.
> Thanks . Tommy
>

It's pretty hard to go wrong with one of these trucks!
They are very tough and durable. Parts are readily available and
relatively cheap, lots of aftermarket custom and HiPo stuff available.
Very easy trucks to work on also.
I love my '71 F100!!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty



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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:18:17 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me...

>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:22:32 -0500
>From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
>Subject:
>
>Well I can see now that I'm going for the WEIAND STEALTH !!!
>I don't need no stinking EDELBROKE !!

Actually, the Edelbrock wasn't my first choice either. Unfortunately
one of my considerations was being able to pass CA smog, and the
edelbrock is allegedly smog legal. Most others are not CA smog legal.

Now that SB-42 has passed, it's a moot point for me anyway and I wish
I'd used something else. )-:

I'm not trying to bash Edelbrock (much), I know they have a pretty good
reputation and that many folks have good results with their products.
Unfortunately this particular example was definately a marginal/poor
quality item. I have no idea if this is representative of edelbrock
stuff, or just a fluke that got out the door.
Either way, the experiance sucked for me.
I like my 600cfm edelbrock carb real well...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty



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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:18:15 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

>Interesting...
>
>I did a Edelbrock performer manifold swap on a 360 I had, and the only
>problem I had was the manifold did not come with the little tube that hooks
>up to the water pump.
>I had to press fit one. Other than that, no problems.

Hey, I know where Your little water pump bybass tube went...

They sent me 2 of them!!

Happy motoring,


Steve Delanty



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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:19:00 PDT
From: "RICH ANZALONE"
Subject: Re: Cooling system question

>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:19:00 -0700
>To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
>From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
>Subject: Re: Cooling system question
>Reply-To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net

>>>If it matters, which is which? Thanks.
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>
>>Doesn't matter. There isn't any sort of valve in the heater, just
>>a small radiator.

>But it does!!!!
>
>I hooked mine up wrong when I first replaced my heater control valve
and
>heater hoses.
>
>There is pressure at the manifold fitting, and suction on the water
pump
>fitting. Thus, the heater control valve should be on the hose between
the
>manifold and the heater core. That way, when you close the valve, the
pump
>'sucks out' the hot water.

I have to disagree with this statement. It may depressurize the heater
core but it does not drain it unless you have a hole in it. the water is
still in there.

>When I hooked mine up wrong, I had the valve on the hose between the
heater
>core and the water pump. Therefore, there was always hot fluid in the
>heater core and pressure in it. This caused my defroster and heater to
work
>contstantly in any position, even in summer. Very uncomfortable.

If your valve is shutting properly you shouldn't have any coolant flow
through the heater core. without flow, the water in your heater core
shouldn't be any warmer than ambient air temp.


Not to
>mention that the heater control valve is built to take pressure one way
and
>not the other (tends to leak if you put it in backwards.
>
>
>marko in vancouver
>marko helix.net
>71 f250 4x4
>67 merc m100
>

Rich Anzalone 75 F100 (390)


______________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:56:11 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

From: Steve Delanty

> I got a rebuilt one at the auto parts store for about $45. + core ($20)....


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