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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 272



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In this issue:

Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Donald R. Screen" ]
67 or 68???? [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 67 or 68???? [Ken Payne ]
RE: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW! ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: 360 Mileage ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Grills..?? [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: 360 Mileage [Ken Payne ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 360 Mileage ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 360 Mileage [Sleddog ]
RE: 360 Mileage ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
360 Mileage [sdelanty sonic.net]
292ci engine & intake question ["Eric J. Kulig"
Re: 360 Mileage [Ken Payne ]
Re: Hey, come back here! ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: NO STEERING ["woody" ]
Re: 292ci engine & intake question [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: freezing block - anti freeze [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 05:31:50 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> The 12" fan needed a 2" wide spacer welded (bolted would work) to
> the lower angle to catch the lower fan bolt holes.
> The shrouding is just sheet metal pieces cut with a jig saw and bent
> by hand to fill in the gaps. screw or pop rivit to the angle iron.

Ok Steve,
Nice ascii pic! Just a couple of more questions...
What gauge sheet metal did you use for the shroud?
What material is the 2 inch spacer made out of? More angle iron?
What size and type of pipe did you use for spacer off of the radiator?
Inquiring minds want to know :)

I've got some flashing material laying on my workbench and thought I could use it to
form a new shroud. Just don't want it too look too bad..
Think I'm going to try it and if looks awful just go and pull a plastic one out of
the junkyard.

Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:47:48 -0700
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: 67 or 68????

With the discussion on 65 or 66 I have one My 68 seems to have
a 67 Grill could this be possible????Could it be a early 68 with 67
leftovers(sorta like a 68 mustang with a 67 grill I've seen at shows)
Joe
68 F100 4x4

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:23:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:23:31 -0600
> Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> I remember my dad's '67 F250 FE352 came from the factory without
> even a fan shroud! It had the Camper Special package, which back
> then included the HD cooling system w/ a bigger radiator. It did
> fine in West Texas desert summers when the daytime temp routinely

Yeah, they used to put bigger radiators on them too. I think the
shoud was a safety thing initially and then some wise guy figured out
he could save a few bucks for the company by using smaller radiators
with shrouds :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:28:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 67 or 68????

At 07:47 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>With the discussion on 65 or 66 I have one My 68 seems to have
>a 67 Grill could this be possible????Could it be a early 68 with 67
>leftovers(sorta like a 68 mustang with a 67 grill I've seen at shows)
>Joe
>68 F100 4x4

Maybe someone put the grill on it at a later date?

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:55:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:29:51 -0400
> From: DC Beatty
> Subject: RE: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

> Hey Don, I called and they told me $10.95. Who did you talk to??

It's on the sale sheet not in the computor or catalog, ask her to
look in the sale sheet :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:16:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:43:17 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

> Not sure about the 360, my 352 got about 8-10 before it became
> a 390. Still gets 8-10. This is running 3.25 gears with
> 35 inch tires (too big for that ratio).

True, with true 35's at 60 and 3.25 gears you get 1873 which is
lugging the heck out of it but you only need to go up to 3.50's to
get above 2k (2017) and 3.86 would get you 2224 rpm :-) My guess is
that 3.50 would not take enough of the additional rolling resistance
into account so the 3.86's might actually be the best choice but
3.50's could be too it's hard to say since each engine/cam
application has a different happy spot.

My 351M with 3.50 gears and 32" tires gets between 12 and 14 at 2206
rpms at 60 which is better than I expected with a 4600 # 4x4 :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:21:19 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Grills..??

OK...Lets talk grills. I have only had my 64' for about three weeks and
don't know what grill it should have. Mine is a polished chrome that has
the word FORD in it. I am pretty sure this is an after
market. But not sure where it would have come from. I purchased the
truck from a 21 year old for $650.00. It has no motor now...But the
429/460 is on the engine stand getting ready for installation. He did
some work to the truck, rebuilt brakes,new tires, solid welded exhaust,
and is set up already for Big block. body is in great shape but does
need a make over. Question is ?? what shold the grill look like and
where do I find one ?
Also...I need both rear body pieces that hold the tail light in,
bottom corners are non existent. And a tail gate. where should I look?

Thanks in advance for your responses...as I know they will be GREAT!!

Brian

64'f100 shortbox
78 F150 4x4
96'F150 4x4 shortbox
97'J**P wrangler

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:13:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

At 09:16 AM 10/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:43:17 -0400
>> From: Ken Payne
>> Subject: Re: 360 Mileage
>
>> Not sure about the 360, my 352 got about 8-10 before it became
>> a 390. Still gets 8-10. This is running 3.25 gears with
>> 35 inch tires (too big for that ratio).
>
>True, with true 35's at 60 and 3.25 gears you get 1873 which is
>lugging the heck out of it but you only need to go up to 3.50's to
>get above 2k (2017) and 3.86 would get you 2224 rpm :-) My guess is
>that 3.50 would not take enough of the additional rolling resistance
>into account so the 3.86's might actually be the best choice but
>3.50's could be too it's hard to say since each engine/cam
>application has a different happy spot.
>

Actually, the accelleration is great. The engine is not "stock."
No lugging problems. I'm not sure right off hand what the final
ratio is on a C6 so I can't verify the RPMs. I take you know the
ratio? What is it? Its just that I can't get off the line
very quickly with those tires. 40-80 times are great as it can
still "kickdown" at 70 mph. It'll snap you're neck! And with
those large tires it'll go 10 mph past the 100 mark and start
bouncing the needle if I give it more gas. I just had to find
out! I'm switching to 32" when it needs new tires.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:26:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66?

> From: MuddFlappC aol.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Is it a 65 or 66?

> The VIN number is F25A1771910.
> Still haven't found a real answer, Hope someone can cross this VIN,
> I know Chilton's doesn't break down the VIN Thanks for the Help.

I'll have my book in a few days and I'll let you know :-) Couse
there are several on the list who already have the book...........?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:54:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 05:31:50 -0500
> From: "Donald R. Screen"
> Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> I've got some flashing material laying on my workbench and thought I
> could use it to form a new shroud. Just don't want it too look too
> bad.. Think I'm going to try it and if looks awful just go and pull
> a plastic one out of the junkyard.

You can make nice one out of flashing material but need to prestress
it a little by bending it to form the round shape for the fan with a
little cone to it. Bend flanges out on the edges to mate with the
original shroud mount holes and you're all set :-) It's hard to
explain but if you take a piece of paper and make a magaphone out of
it and then reduce the cone to more flat..............that's not very
good either.........You don't need much cone, just enough to give it
some strength, maybe 3" depth or so. You cut the sides with a taper
so when you pull the edges together to make the cone the sides come
out square...................Shucks I don't think I could even do it
with these directions. I guess you need some pictures really, sorry.

I know how to do all this stuff but never thought to make my own
shroud??? Guess this list is good for something, eh? I may just
raise the electric fan a notch or two on my list :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:55:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

> From: JonP27604 aol.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

> Delivery------------------------- May 1965 Contract
> Number----------------------- DA-20-113-AMC-04748 T

Not much doubt there is there?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:18:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:13:48 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

> Actually, the accelleration is great. The engine is not "stock." No
> lugging problems. I'm not sure right off hand what the final ratio
> is on a C6 so I can't verify the RPMs. I take you know the ratio?

C-6 is a 3 speed auto with 1:1 top gear. With a wide ratio gear set
you can overcome a lot, believe me! My van had the standard gearset
and couldn't get off the line with 3.25's, worked pretty well with
4.11's but got really bad mileage. My PU with 2.75's takes off like
a scared rabbit with 33's (32 really) and will break traction at 45
if I punch it down to second with 29's on it but it has the wide
ratio gear set. With 29's it gets around 12 mpg. It's like having
lower rear gears but with an overdrive top end, I highly recommend
it for the 460 but probably not for a 302 which needs more gears,
closer together. I've always thought a high stall torque converter
with 1:1 drive (no tranny) is all you need with a 460 (like a sprint
car, only fluid coupled) :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:27:27 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 360 Mileage

> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:13:48 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

I've always thought a high stall torque converter
with 1:1 drive (no tranny) is all you need with a 460 (like a sprint
car, only fluid coupled) :-)

That's why the GM 2 speed tranny conversions are so popular with the ford
and dodge boys with big motors and cars/trucks built for the 1/4 mile.
that, and it doesn't rob as mutch power as the 3 speed trannies and is a
lot lighter to accelerate.

sleddog

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --






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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:52:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 360 Mileage

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: 360 Mileage
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:27:27 -0400

> That's why the GM 2 speed tranny conversions are so popular with the
> ford and dodge boys with big motors and cars/trucks built for the
> 1/4 mile.
> that, and it doesn't rob as mutch power as the 3 speed trannies and
> is a
> lot lighter to accelerate.

Lots cheaper than a Lenco too :-)
My back hurts, my teeth may
fall out at any moment, Do they make
4WD Lincolins? With air suspension?

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:58:32 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: 360 Mileage

>
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:32:50 -0700
>From: abbott
>Subject: 360 Mileage
>
>What kind of mileage can I expect from a 76 F-250 with a 360 and an auto.
>I'm not sure of the gears of a range from 355's to 456's.
>
>Thanks everybody, You've been great.
>- -Tyler-

Probably about 10ish...

I have a '71 F100 w/FE390 and manual tranny (T-18).
3.50:1 rear and 33" tires. I get 12 mpg.
Your heavier truck with lower rear gears will probably get a little
less. Especially with 4.56...
The 360 will get the same mileage as 390, just with less power.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:57:20 EST
From: "Eric J. Kulig"
Subject: 292ci engine & intake question

Hey FordTruck Folks!

I've come across a deal on a triple intake (two barrel) manifold that
I'm interested in getting for my truck. Are the intakes for the
292ci the same as the 312ci? I'm not really looking into racing this
old truck at the strip, but some period-correct, vintage add-ons
are what I'm after. (My .sig file shows my truck is a '61 and the
engine is a '59 FWIW).

If I go with a triple carb setup, (would that look COOL or what?!!!!)
what type of effects could I expect? I've got a "stock" 2 barrel
Holley on it now. Seems I remember some posts awhile back (about a
more "modern" engine) with an intake manifold with multiple
carbs getting better low end torque (which I don't _really_ need
;-D) and maybe better mileage..... Since I've got plenty of torque,
I would certainly prefer a mileage boost....

Anyone out there care to send some ideas, comments?

T(hanx)I(n)A(dvance),
Eric

=============================
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:58:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

>
> Probably about 10ish...
>
> I have a '71 F100 w/FE390 and manual tranny (T-18).
> 3.50:1 rear and 33" tires. I get 12 mpg.
> Your heavier truck with lower rear gears will probably get a little
> less. Especially with 4.56...
> The 360 will get the same mileage as 390, just with less power.
>

I've always heard this about the 360:
all the power of a 352, all the milage of a 390

- -Ken

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:29:56 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Hey, come back here!

It uses a special channel pad/glue strip available at any auto glass shop.
Get a couple of feet(enough to go in the channel), use a bar clamp to
carefully force the glass back in the channel(use padding to protect the
raw glass edge)

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Hey, come back here!
> Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 10:09 PM
>
> So, I was cruisin on the freeway today, about 70 mph, on the way home
> from the local burrito palace. The Drivers window was down and the
> wing window open. I'm thinkin about how good that burrito's gonna be
> with a cold beer when I get home, when something makes me look to the
> left... just in time to see my wing window glass slip out of the frame,
> hang for just a second on the mirror, then let go and flip off into the
air!
> It all kinda looked like slow motion, and I reached out and grabbed
> the glass (glad the window was open!) just before it was out of reach
> and set it on the seat...
> Glad I got the burrito to go, if I'd already eaten it I would have
likely
> been to slow and lazy to have any reflexes left for a couple hours. (-:
>
> Ummm, any good suggestions on putting the glass back in?
>
> I'm just gonna squirt a little weatherstrip adhesive into the channel
> and slip the glass back in, unless someone knows better..?
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:37:18 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

List the sn# and some one will decode the build date. Since it was mil
surplus, the title date may well be different from the build date since the
title was not acquired on an mos.
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> From: MuddFlappC aol.com
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Is it a 65 or 66
> Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 11:39 PM
>
> I recently purchased an old Ford pick-up the title says its a 65, but the
guy
> I bought it from says its a 66. It is a military surplus truck (many
years
> ago) so it is possible there was a mix up at the DMV. Can anyone tell me
a
> sure way to tell?
> This is the info I have:
> 1. It is an F250
> 2. It was delivered to the military in Oct 65
> 3. It has a S6 240
> 4. It has a 4 speed manual
> 5. it has a cab mount fuel tank.
> 6. It is a 2wd
>
> Any answers?
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:35:21 -0600
From: "woody"
Subject: Re: NO STEERING

Alex,

About 7 years ago Willy Worthy who does a column in 4Wheeler Magazine was
recommending a conversion offered by a weld shop gearhead in Iowa that I
bought and seemed a sensible solution--trouble is the frame I installed the
kit on still is not on the road. What the conversion consisted of on the
cheap was a plate and spacers to fit the frame where your existing steering
box is mounted--has to be welded in, and then a PS unit from any 2 wheel
drive from the early mid 70s mounts in the same place. Some tinkering with
the steering shaft and of course the drag link are required. I've since
heard, the guy updated the kit to using a PS unit from a 78-79 4-wheel
drive chassis which would probably be a better way to go. I contacted him
too late back in 1991--making money had gone to his head and he wouldn't
sell the adapter plate he fabricated without selling a rebuilt PS unit as
well and insisting on $400 for the package (earlier he sold the plate, drag
link ends and a pump hose as a kit for around $70). Peeved me enough I had
a few plate copies made if ever any one should want to do the same thing!
So I could sell you one for maybe $30 and you can find any PS unit from a
2-wheel drive that is suitable. E-mail me and I'll send further
particulars if you're interested.

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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> From: Alex Haskins
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: NO STEERING
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 4:53 PM
>
> I am hoping someone can shed some lite on my power steering problem. I
> have a 74 f250 4x4 with the bendix style valve body and slave cylinder
> assist piston. I have had the truck for 8 years and it just isnt
> right. It does not have power one way or another, then it sometimes
> eats power steering pumps. I have changed the valve body once, but
> there is adjustment. I havnt found anybody that can tell me how to
> adjust or if it is even possible. I have even changed the pulley size
> on the pump looking for a boost. Please help my arms are getting tired
> from turning my heavy truck.
>
> Thanks
> Big A
>
> 74 f250 4x4 "high boy"
> 80 f250
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:03:29 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: 292ci engine & intake question

>Hey FordTruck Folks!
>
>I've come across a deal on a triple intake (two barrel) manifold that
>I'm interested in getting for my truck. Are the intakes for the
>292ci the same as the 312ci? I'm not really looking into racing this
>old truck at the strip, but some period-correct, vintage add-ons
>are what I'm after. (My .sig file shows my truck is a '61 and the
>engine is a '59 FWIW).
>
>If I go with a triple carb setup, (would that look COOL or what?!!!!)
>what type of effects could I expect? I've got a "stock" 2 barrel
>Holley on it now.

Effects:

You will be able to get from a to b much faster.

Your mileage will drop as you will be constantly putting your foot in it.

You will smile more often.

If you're not careful, you'll drop a bundle on speeding tickets.



marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 mercury m100

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:16:00 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

>> sleddog
>>

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