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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 271



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In this issue:

360 Mileage [abbott ]
NO STEERING [Alex Haskins ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [SARHOG aol.com]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Brian Koss ]
RE: NO STEERING [DC Beatty ]
Re: 360 Mileage [Ken Payne ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Ken Payne ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? [sdelanty sonic.net]
65 or 66 ["Jon & Cindy Johnson" ]
Re: NO STEERING [Don Grossman ]
Is it a 65 or 66? [MuddFlappC aol.com]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [JonP27604 aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:32:50 -0700
From: abbott
Subject: 360 Mileage

What kind of mileage can I expect from a 76 F-250 with a 360 and an auto.
I'm not sure of the gears of a range from 355's to 456's.

Thanks everybody, You've been great.
- -Tyler-

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:53:09 -0400
From: Alex Haskins
Subject: NO STEERING

I am hoping someone can shed some lite on my power steering problem. I
have a 74 f250 4x4 with the bendix style valve body and slave cylinder
assist piston. I have had the truck for 8 years and it just isnt
right. It does not have power one way or another, then it sometimes
eats power steering pumps. I have changed the valve body once, but
there is adjustment. I havnt found anybody that can tell me how to
adjust or if it is even possible. I have even changed the pulley size
on the pump looking for a boost. Please help my arms are getting tired
from turning my heavy truck.

Thanks
Big A

74 f250 4x4 "high boy"
80 f250

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:57:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

My 67's speedometer goes across the dash, now if i could only get it to
work........

John Z.
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Koss
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

Keith Srb wrote:
>
> My 66 has the round Speedo to, and I know my is 66. My dad ordered it from
> the Dealer, with no options, and took delivery of it on Feburary 2, 1966. I
> was all of 5 years old, but i can still remeber trying to climb into that
> huge truck, Dad had to help me up onto the seat.
>
> At 03:35 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >My 66 has the round speedo, Hmm I think its a 66 ??

>Well Keith and Larry, you just blew my theory out of the water. The two
>66's that I have seen have the across the dash speedo just like the 67's
>and up, I think, I'm not really sure now? What does the 67-72 gauges
>look like?

Having owned four 66's and two 65's, The easiest way to tell is the grill.
The round dash was used both years. The across the dash guages were used on
the custom cabs and the round dash on the plain jane cabs. Both 65's I have
owned had a steel dash (no dash Pad). Both 66 trucks I currently own have
the padded dash. One is a custom cab and one is plain Jane.

Another way to check when the truck (or at least the engine) was fabricated
is to look at the block down near the starter. The build date code is
stamped into the machined surface. These numbers were used by the smog
police to verify the build date of the 351W I have in one of the trucks. Of
course this method only works if you have the origional motor

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:24:04 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: NO STEERING

Alex:

In my Maverick I have the Bendix crap and have read that you can adjust i=
t.
This apparently involves removing the cap on the end (the one that sticks=

out toward the driver side) by removing the 3 screws. Or is it 4??? Anywa=
y,
there is a nut there with a spring behind it. I guess you can tighten or
loosen the spring pressure with this nut. =


When I put mine back together it worked OK so I didn't mess with the
adjustment. Also, this was on a car and I'm not sure if it's the same for=
a
truck. You may want to check with some decent reference book. =


Hope this helps,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Subject: NO STEERING



I
have a 74 f250 4x4 with the bendix style valve body and slave cylinder
assist piston. I have had the truck for 8 years and it just isnt
right. It does not have power one way or another, then it sometimes
eats power steering pumps. I have changed the valve body once, but
there is adjustment. I havnt found anybody that can tell me how to
adjust or if it is even possible. I have even changed the pulley size
on the pump looking for a boost. Please help my arms are getting tired
from turning my heavy truck.

Thanks
Big A

74 f250 4x4 "high boy"
80 f250>>>

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:43:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

At 03:32 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>What kind of mileage can I expect from a 76 F-250 with a 360 and an auto.
>I'm not sure of the gears of a range from 355's to 456's.
>
>Thanks everybody, You've been great.
>-Tyler-
>

Not sure about the 360, my 352 got about 8-10 before it became
a 390. Still gets 8-10. This is running 3.25 gears with
35 inch tires (too big for that ratio).

Ken

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:48:05 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

- -snip-
- -snip-
and more -snip-

The 65 has a front grill 16 holes, arranged in two rows of
8. The 66 has the following holes by row:
Row # | # of holes
- ------+-----------
1 | 5
2 | 2 wide holes
3 | 9
4 | 9
5 | 5

As you can see, there's a big difference. I should have
jumped on this topic sooner. The grill definately tells
them apart.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:19:28 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

>> Mount the fans an inch or 2 back from the core and build a fan shroud so
>> the fans pull air through the *whole* core. Otherwise, most of the
>> radiator is wasted. This also reduces the pressure drop across the c

>Steve, I've got the mechanical fan off of my 390FE right now and was
>considering the electric fan option since I need to replace the fan shroud
>anyway. How did you mount the electric fans 2 inches off of the radiator core?
>Did you have to fabricate mounts? What type of materials did you use to
>fabricate the mounts if you did go this route? Did you retain the original fan
>shroud or just use the electric fan shrouds?
>
>Thanks,
> Don
>Allen, TX

No, the origional shroud wouldn't work with 2 fans. Besides, mine was
covered with baling wire and duct tape so it was good to be rid of it.
You might make the stock shroud work with one big fan, but I think 2
smaller fans is more effective.

My fans are mounted on 2 pieces of 3/4 x 3/4" x 28-1/2" angle iron
that span the width of the radiator. They angles are bolted to
existing, stock holes in the side flanges of the radiator.
The angles are spaced back from the rad by a short length of pipe
on each bolt, between the rad and the angle. My fans are actually
more like 1-3/8" back from the rad.
2" might be better... If I ever move to where it gets to 120F regularly,
I may do something about that and the missing shroud pieces...
The holes in the rad flanges turned out to space the 2 angle irons the
perfect distance for the 14" fan to bolt directly to the angles.
The 12" fan needed a 2" wide spacer welded (bolted would work) to
the lower angle to catch the lower fan bolt holes.
The shrouding is just sheet metal pieces cut with a jig saw and bent
by hand to fill in the gaps. screw or pop rivit to the angle iron.
________________________
-X- / 12"\--/ 14" \--X-
| Fan || Fan |
\____/ | |
-X--|SSSS|--\______/--X-
------------------------

X = bolt holes in angle (mounts to stock holes in rad flanges)
SSSS = spacer plate to catch 12" fan lower bolt holes.
The odd corners and space between the fans get some sheet metal to
fill in the gaps and form a shroud.

I wish I had a scanner, I'd just take a photo and send You...

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:59:31 -0400
From: "Jon & Cindy Johnson"
Subject: 65 or 66

ive had 3 66"s they all had round speedos the 67 i have now has a long one

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:19:23 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: NO STEERING

Alex Haskins wrote:
>
> I am hoping someone can shed some lite on my power steering problem. I
> have a 74 f250 4x4 with the bendix style valve body and slave cylinder
> assist piston. I have had the truck for 8 years and it just isnt
> right. It does not have power one way or another, then it sometimes
> eats power steering pumps. I have changed the valve body once, but
> there is adjustment. I havnt found anybody that can tell me how to
> adjust or if it is even possible. I have even changed the pulley size
> on the pump looking for a boost. Please help my arms are getting tired
> from turning my heavy truck.
>
> Thanks
> Big A
>
> 74 f250 4x4 "high boy"
> 80 f250

My first reaction is GET THAT STUFF OFF OF THERE! But now that I think
of it, just remove it gently. That power steering arangement must have
been Fords worst idea ever.(roll the flames)

If you can hunt down in a local junkyard one of the boxes off of a 77-79
F-250, grab one of those. The integral(sp) design is much better. Or
you could use a Saginaw box off of one of the other big three. It will
take a little work to get it just right, if you don't you will know
about it, trust me. That old system has been constantly plagued with
leaks and bent this and burnt out pumps and.....

Anybody else have somthing better to say?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: MuddFlappC aol.com
Subject: Is it a 65 or 66?

The VIN number is F25A1771910.
I guess I opened a debate that has lasted for 30+ years now.
It does have a round speedo.
The Oct 65 date may be misleading....the truck is a utility truck (tool box
bed) so it is possible it left the ford plant as only a chassis. I don't
know???

Still haven't found a real answer, Hope someone can cross this VIN, I know
Chilton's doesn't break down the VIN
Thanks for the Help.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JonP27604 aol.com
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

>From what I can tell and I may be wrong, 66 standard cabs had a round speedo
and custom cabs has the larger sweeping speedo.

Also, I have a question. My 65 was originally owned by the US Government. Is
there any way to tell what branch used it? The data plate is not located on
the door like most trucks, instead it is located in the middle of the dash
where the radio would normally go. It contains quite a bit of information.

The plate reads as follows:
Nomenclature--------------------------- Truck Cargo Pickup With Cab 4X2
Make and Model----------------------- Ford F100 1965
Manufactures Serial Number----- F10JE684236
Registration Number----------------- 65B-2886
Federal Stock Number--------------- 2320-965-0640
Vehicle Curb Weight------------------ 3501
Payload Maxium----------------------- 1124
Gross Weight Maxium--------------- 4800
Date of Delivery------------------------- May 1965
Contract Number----------------------- DA-20-113-AMC-04748 T

Is there any way to trace the numbers? Also the origional color was dark blue....


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