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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 270



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In this issue:

RE: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 70 options [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
What is the Ford Red Book? [John Strauss ]
Is it a 65 or 66 [John Strauss ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Don Grossman ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW! [Don Grossman
Identify this ford frame? [Jason Eaton ]
Re: Anyone ?? [Jason Eaton ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["deconblu" ]
Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW! ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Dave Resch"]
Re: freezing block - anti freeze [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Wil]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Donald R. Screen" ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 ["Larry Coffman" ]
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Keith Srb ]
RE: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW! [DC Beatty
Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [Don Grossman ]
Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW! [Don Grossman
RE: Is it a 65 or 66 [Keith Srb ]

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:12:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Cooling Fan Options???

> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:43:46 -0500
> From: Mike Schwall
> Subject: RE: Cooling Fan Options???

> fire it up. Vrooom....clank, clink, "ahhhh", Then this "turn it off
> turn it off" that came out so fast your swore it was one word. I
> got out and looked at him. He had this really stupid look on his

Did that with a drop light, Ouuuuuuuucccccccchhhhhhh!

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:21:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 options

I had body work done on mine, they welded the old holes, ground them down
flat, now there is not a trace of them...

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:03:26 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

I can only tell you that my dad worked for the ford assembly plant in
Minnesota for 31 years and they always changed over production years in
August...and still do out here.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:29:34 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: What is the Ford Red Book?

>What is the Ford Red Book? Where can I get a copy?
>
"Ford Pickup Red Book" by Peter C. Sessler, produced by Motorbooks
International. It's a little handbook sized paperback that decodes VINs
and other id numbers for '46-77 trucks, Rancheros, and Broncos. Call
Classic Motorbooks at 800.826.6600 and ask for #118924AP - it's $10.95.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:51:38 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: Is it a 65 or 66

What's the VIN?


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:48:35 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

If the title says 65 stick with it. Take a look at the instrument
panel. Does it have the round speedo or does the speedo go across the
dash? 66 was the only year with that body style to have the speedo go
across the dash. It is alot different than the earier 61-65 gauges.
There have been some cases in which Ford uses leftover parts in the
following years. I just recently came across a 65 that uses the 64 and
earier frame and cab. The vin was for a 65 production, so it might have
some 66 parts and still be a 65. Ford may have run out of the 65
production parts early and started using parts for the 66. The only
real way that I would be able to tell is by the vin and the dash.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:01:58 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

>Steve,
>
>>I mounted mine to a couple 3/4" angle iron pieces across the rad and used
> > some preexisting holes on the rad frame. It was a very simple thing to
> > mount them correctly

>Sounds like a heavy duty mount. Did you fab the shroud from plastic or
>sheet metal?

I carved the shroud pieces out of some 20ga stainless steel.
I never actually finished the trim on it, so it leaks quite a little
air and isn't as efficient as it could be.
It's plenty more than adequate now, so it may never get finished...

Plastic would be fine, if You find it easier to work with.
Just make sure it doesn't mind the heat first.


>>.....just in time to see my wing window glass slip out of the frame,
> >hang for just a second on the mirror, then let go and flip off into the
>air!
>
>Nice catch!!!
>I have a work truck that I have to push the glass back into the track about
>twice a day. Guess this is my warning to get it glued in.
>
>later,
>dale c

Yeah, I'll be gluing mine this evening!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:07:27 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

John Strauss wrote:
>
> >What is the Ford Red Book? Where can I get a copy?
> >
> "Ford Pickup Red Book" by Peter C. Sessler, produced by Motorbooks
> International. It's a little handbook sized paperback that decodes VINs
> and other id numbers for '46-77 trucks, Rancheros, and Broncos. Call
> Classic Motorbooks at 800.826.6600 and ask for #118924AP - it's $10.95.
>
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, _} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!

I just ordered my Red Book. THEY ARE DISCO! The gal I placed the order
with says that they still have more than 50 but the price has been
reduced. $6.95!!!!!

CALL NOW
CALL TODAY

HURRY........

DON'T WAIT!!!!
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:33:27 -0700
From: Jason Eaton
Subject: Identify this ford frame?

Hello folks. I have recently bought a 64 and a half ford shortbox. The
truck seems
to have at least 3/4 ton suspension if not 1 ton. I was hoping somebody
could help me identify what year and capacity it is and if it could have
been a 4WD frame.

Here is what I know:

- #C5TA-HD 4H - number stamped on horn of frame.
- Front disk brakes with dual calipers.
- Twin I Beam front suspension.
- Differential is not 3/4 ton needed to get motorhome gasket
for differential cover.

I now have the truck in my possesion and have hauled 2048lbs of rock
with it this weekend. Springs didn't bottom out and had no troubles.

Thanks.

- --
Jason Eaton, FCI Communications ( Java Development )
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fcicom.com jeaton fcicom.com
- --

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:36:32 -0700
From: Jason Eaton
Subject: Re: Anyone ??

>> Brian & Jacque Milbrandt wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a listing, or know an easy way to get a true
>> identification of a block casting number?
>>
>> I recently purchased a 64'f100 and am going to put my engine that
>> I previously stuffed into a 79'f150 supercab 4x4 into it. Its been about
>> 8 years since I played with this motor and can't remember exactly what
>> I've got. I do know its a 429/460. but am not sure what year and which
>> it is for sure. I tried a local crankshaft regrinder
>> but he states that he's never heard of this number. Any help would be
>> greatly appreciated as I am now at a stalling point for ordering parts.
>>
>> block casting number...DNE 6015 A2B.....???
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Brian
>

Brian, I just bought a 64 which has the exact conversion your are
looking at.
It is 64 and a half, which has a 72 429 from a thunderbird in it. The
C-6 tranny
was taken as well and put in the truck. I think the only things which
could have
been issues where the driveshaft length and the motor mounts. I know
that the
conversion was done sloppy so my father ( who owned the truck before me
) had new
motor mounts frabricated from some welder.

The 429 is a great engine to have in a truck. My truck is also a
shortbox and this
weekend I hauled 2047lbs of rock in the back and drove up a mountain. It
worked
great. I could go as fast as I wanted. Took about alot of gas though.
:-)

I you have more questions please write.

- --
Jason Eaton, FCI Communications ( Java Development )
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fcicom.com jeaton fcicom.com
- --

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:56:37 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

>>>I mounted mine to a couple 3/4" angle iron pieces across the rad and
used
>> > some preexisting holes on the rad frame. It was a very simple thing to
>> > mount them correctly
>
>>Sounds like a heavy duty mount. Did you fab the shroud from plastic or
>>sheet metal?
>
> I carved the shroud pieces out of some 20ga stainless steel.
> I never actually finished the trim on it, so it leaks quite a little
> air and isn't as efficient as it could be.
> It's plenty more than adequate now, so it may never get finished...
>
> Plastic would be fine, if You find it easier to work with.
> Just make sure it doesn't mind the heat first.

Gee, I used two pieces of curtain rod. It's worked fine so far. The fan
shroud is stock so it's molded to the correct shape. I just did the same to
a friends Toyota Truck using an electric fan from a Volvo. Used the trucks
stock fan shroud to mount it.
Us dumb guys are lucky. It's hard to over think when your slow of wit!
:)

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:59:01 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:07:27 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

> I just ordered my Red Book. THEY ARE DISCO! The gal I placed the
> order with says that they still have more than 50 but the price has
> been reduced. $6.95!!!!!

Me too dang it, ya talked me right into it but the price was $6.98
plus shipping. Asked it they had any 78 and up's and no dice :-(

Maybe they'll revise it next year and include the 78's :-) One more
year and they'll be classics :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:23:31 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

>From: sdelanty sonic.net
>Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???
>
>snippage to avoid embarrassment
>
> Yeah, I could get those results with an electric if I wanted also, but
> I chose my stuff more carefully than that! (-;
> I'd like to see what they used and HOW they installed it..
Yo Steve:

Good point. Knowing those screwball magazine hacks, they probably zipped
some cheesy little thing to a half corroded, half plugged stock radiator in
a J**p CJ w/ an over-advanced Ch*vy 350 V8 :-)

I must defer to your greater knowledge and experience in this department.
I think you made a good point also about properly spacing and shrouding the
fans to achieve adequate air flow through the radiator. Ultimately, that
is the bottom line.

I remember my dad's '67 F250 FE352 came from the factory without even a fan
shroud! It had the Camper Special package, which back then included the HD
cooling system w/ a bigger radiator. It did fine in West Texas desert
summers when the daytime temp routinely topped 110F. There wasn't too much
stop & go traffic back then, but the heat off the exhaust manifolds coming
through the firewall and floorboard in the summer would cook you alive!
Didn't have any heater probs in the winter, either.

Ciao,
Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:43:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

- -> the water from my boat (inboard) and put nothing back in and it
- -> hasn't cracked or pushed out a plug in the 37 years its been in our
- -> family. As the water freezes...if any left it will take the easiest

I pulled both block drain plugs in a really nice 302 I had when I was
putting the car up for the winter. There's a substantial amount of
water left in the jacket downhill from there. It froze and split three
cylinders down near the bottoms of the bores.

Needless to say...

You might try blowing the water out with compressed air or something,
but some engines leave enough in to cause serious damage.


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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:55:32 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> Mount the fans an inch or 2 back from the core and build a fan shroud so
> the fans pull air through the *whole* core. Otherwise, most of the
> radiator is wasted. This also reduces the pressure drop across the c

Steve, I've got the mechanical fan off of my 390FE right now and was
considering the electric fan option since I need to replace the fan shroud
anyway. How did you mount the electric fans 2 inches off of the radiator core?
Did you have to fabricate mounts? What type of materials did you use to
fabricate the mounts if you did go this route? Did you retain the original fan
shroud or just use the electric fan shrouds?

Thanks,
Don
Allen, TX

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:35:22 -0400
From: "Larry Coffman"
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

My 66 has the round speedo, Hmm I think its a 66 ??

- ----------
> From: Don Grossman
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 12:48 PM
>
> If the title says 65 stick with it. Take a look at the instrument
> panel. Does it have the round speedo or does the speedo go across the
> dash? 66 was the only year with that body style to have the speedo go
> across the dash. It is alot different than the earier 61-65 gauges.
> There have been some cases in which Ford uses leftover parts in the
> following years. I just recently came across a 65 that uses the 64 and
> earier frame and cab. The vin was for a 65 production, so it might have
> some 66 parts and still be a 65. Ford may have run out of the 65
> production parts early and started using parts for the 66. The only
> real way that I would be able to tell is by the vin and the dash.
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
>
> 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44
>
> Phase 172: rebuild front suspension
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:13:36 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

My 66 has the round Speedo to, and I know my is 66. My dad ordered it from
the Dealer, with no options, and took delivery of it on Feburary 2, 1966. I
was all of 5 years old, but i can still remeber trying to climb into that
huge truck, Dad had to help me up onto the seat.

At 03:35 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My 66 has the round speedo, Hmm I think its a 66 ??
>
>----------
>> From: Don Grossman
>> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
>> Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66
>> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 12:48 PM
>>
>> If the title says 65 stick with it. Take a look at the instrument
>> panel. Does it have the round speedo or does the speedo go across the
>> dash? 66 was the only year with that body style to have the speedo go
>> across the dash. It is alot different than the earier 61-65 gauges.
>> There have been some cases in which Ford uses leftover parts in the
>> following years. I just recently came across a 65 that uses the 64 and
>> earier frame and cab. The vin was for a 65 production, so it might have
>> some 66 parts and still be a 65. Ford may have run out of the 65
>> production parts early and started using parts for the 66. The only
>> real way that I would be able to tell is by the vin and the dash.
>> --
>> Don Grossman
>> duckdon pacific.net
>>
>>
>> 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44
>>
>> Phase 172: rebuild front suspension
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:29:51 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

Hey Don, I called and they told me $10.95. Who did you talk to??

DC Beatty

- ----------
From: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:16 AM
To: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

John Strauss wrote:
> =

> >What is the Ford Red Book? Where can I get a copy?
> >
> "Ford Pickup Red Book" by Peter C. Sessler, produced by Motorbooks
> International. It's a little handbook sized paperback that decodes VIN=
s
> and other id numbers for '46-77 trucks, Rancheros, and Broncos. Call
> Classic Motorbooks at 800.826.6600 and ask for #118924AP - it's $10.95.=

> =

> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, _} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!

I just ordered my Red Book. THEY ARE DISCO! The gal I placed the order
with says that they still have more than 50 but the price has been
reduced. $6.95!!!!!

CALL NOW
CALL TODAY

HURRY........

DON'T WAIT!!!!
- -- =

Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:36:00 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

Keith Srb wrote:
>
> My 66 has the round Speedo to, and I know my is 66. My dad ordered it from
> the Dealer, with no options, and took delivery of it on Feburary 2, 1966. I
> was all of 5 years old, but i can still remeber trying to climb into that
> huge truck, Dad had to help me up onto the seat.
>
> At 03:35 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >My 66 has the round speedo, Hmm I think its a 66 ??

Well Keith and Larry, you just blew my theory out of the water. The two
66's that I have seen have the across the dash speedo just like the 67's
and up, I think, I'm not really sure now? What does the 67-72 gauges
look like?

I am going to go question my brain right about now?

Yes the Red Book was $6.98. I just got a little ahead of my typing.
Obsolete Ford Parts also has the book for $12.95. yes $12.95 I am
looking at the flyer right now, If they changed the price it's not my
fault. ;)

Going out to work on the 63 now. I think it was a 63......
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:40:35 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: What is the Ford Red Book-CALL NOW!

DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Hey Don, I called and they told me $10.95. Who did you talk to??
>
> DC Beatty

Gary wrote:
> Me too dang it, ya talked me right into it but the price was $6.98
> plus shipping. Asked it they had any 78 and up's and no dice :-(
>
> Maybe they'll revise it next year and include the 78's :-) One more
> year and they'll be classics :-)

I talked to the same person Gary did. I forgot her name tho.....

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:15:30 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: RE: Is it a 65 or 66

As far as I know, the 67 thru 72 speedo goes across the dash. I have seen a 70
2WD and a 70 4WD here at work, both have the speedo that goes across the dash.

>From the people I have talked to about Ford Pickup's, 66 was a transition year
for Ford. They told me that a lot of the 61-65 parts interchange, and a lot of
67 to 72 parts interchange. That kinda leaves the 66 out in the cold, and from
my experience at trying to get parts for my truck, I would agree with what I
have been told.

For what ever that's worth.

Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


- -----Original Message-----
From:Don Grossman [SMTP:duckdon pacific.net]
Sent:Tuesday, October 07, 1997 3:36 PM
To:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject:Re: Is it a 65 or 66

Keith Srb wrote:
>
> My 66 has the round Speedo to, and I know my is 66. My dad ordered it from
> the Dealer, with no options, and took delivery of it on Feburary 2, 1966. I
> was all of 5 years old, but i can still remeber trying to climb into that
> huge truck, Dad had to help me up onto the seat.
>
> At 03:35 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >My 66 has the round speedo, Hmm I think its a 66 ??

Well Keith and Larry, you just blew my theory out of the water. The two
66's that I have seen have the across the dash speedo just like the 67's
and up, I think, I'm not really sure now? What does the 67-72 gauges
look like?

I am going to go question my brain right about now?

Yes the Red Book was $6.98. I just got a little ahead of my typing.....


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