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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, October 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 264



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In this issue:

Re: Anyone ?? ["Donald R. Screen" ]
70s 4x4 factory engines/drivetrains ["woody" ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: question (Classifids) ["Bear" ]
High output heater ["Bear" ]
'64 F100 CrewCab Info [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: hubs and stuff.... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Easy Upgrades and bad Vibrations ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fab]
Re: rings....or valves ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
ADMIN: Out of order digests. [Ken Payne ]
Re: Anyone ?? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Anyone ?? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: High output heater ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Cooling Fan Options??? [Sleddog ]
RE: hubs and stuff.... [Sleddog ]
RE: Anyone ?? [Sleddog ]
RE: Anyone ?? [Sleddog ]

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 06:05:20 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Re: Anyone ??

Brian & Jacque Milbrandt wrote:

> Does anyone have a listing, or know an easy way to get a true
> identification of a block casting number?
>
> I recently purchased a 64'f100 and am going to put my engine that
> I previously stuffed into a 79'f150 supercab 4x4 into it. Its been about
> 8 years since I played with this motor and can't remember exactly what
> I've got. I do know its a 429/460. but am not sure what year and which
> it is for sure. I tried a local crankshaft regrinder
> but he states that he's never heard of this number. Any help would be
> greatly appreciated as I am now at a stalling point for ordering parts.
>
> block casting number...DNE 6015 A2B.....???
>

Well the little I know about Ford casting numbers....
Usually there is a number after the D....D means 1970's vintage
so say a D5 would indicate the casting was first produced in 1975.
Never seen a Ford Part number that starts out DN....should be a number after
the D.
N is the code for the type vehicle it was first used on. A T code would
mean truck...anybody out there know what the N code is for?
E means engine.
For example my intake manifold casting number is D5TE9425...etc
meaning first cast in 1975...truck...engine...9425 = intake manifold....
then the modification codes.

6015 is the actual part number Probably just stands for engine block..might
also indicated block size.....Ford dealer should be able to tell you if this
equates to a 429 or 460 block. The A2B is the modification/version code for
this block.
Got my flame suit on if anybody disagrees with the above....How about it
Sleddog? Sleddog is our resident 460 Big Block expert.

My 360/390 FE motor has a 352 block stamp on it on the top front drivers side
of the block. Had to use some elbow grease to remove about 1 inch of caked
on mud and grease but it was there.

Hope this helps at least a little,
Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:37:57 -0600
From: "woody"
Subject: 70s 4x4 factory engines/drivetrains

Did a little tire-kicking this weekend -- one was a '75 F250 with C-6 and
460 engine. When I asked about who did the conversion, the owner
maintained it was sold that way from the factory. I've been under the
impression (false?) that the 460 wasn't offered as a factory option til
1977 or '78 (mid-year '77 model change). So can anyone offer definitive
info as to when the 460 was first offered in the F series--for model years
before 1977 I assume the production numbers were quite low relative to the
FE block version (and were 428s offered in trucks too or only 360-390s?).
Drivetrains offered through this period are also a bit murky in my mind.
Up through mid-1977 was the only F-250-350 offering a Dana 60 in the rear
and a heavy-duty (large hub) 44 in front? Or was the Dana 60 front/Dana 70
rear an option as was true mid-1977 to 1979? And divorced transfer cases
also ended with the 1977 model year? Disc brakes on the heavy duty Dana 44
the front axle were first available with the '76 model year, or earlier?
Any disc brake front Dana 60 offering before mid-1977? Sorry for all the
questions but thought I might as well get this all sorted out once and for
all.

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:13:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: Cooling Fan Options???
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:06:00 -0500

> I'm leaning toward the electric fan but am interested in hearing
> your opinions. I've read some negative comments about electric fans
> not moving enough air for slow desert crawling, etc. While I'm not
> currently planning any outing like that stop-n-go traffic is a real
> possibility.

I decided I'm going to get the biggest one I can find and just bolt
it on and hope for the best. They aren't all that expensive so I
figure it's worth a gamble. I expect two things from this mod,
better mileage and the ability to turn it off for water crossings
(flooded streets) Otherwise I see no real advantage other than
simpler timing cover accesability etc..

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:29:01 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: question (Classifids)

www.carsearch.com

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Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 8:48 PM
Subject: question



>does anyone know of a classified page where I can sell my 64 fairlane?
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:38:49 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: High output heater

What makes the HO put out more heat I have one but I can't see a difference
but I sure can feel one.

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From: Brett McCoy
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Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 9:29 PM
Subject: Easy Upgrades and bad Vibrations



>Nextupgrade is to install the "HI output heater system" looks like the
stock
>unit but puts out twice the heat and much faster.
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:39:01 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: '64 F100 CrewCab Info

Well I finally got the rear hub seal installed,
brakes adjusted and the truck driving again.
Boy it feels good to have real brakes again.

Finally got around to getting the plate info
off the drivers door for you all to ponder.

First some info on the truck's history:

Some rich old guy in Carmichael, California
(Sacramento really) wanted a crewcab
and ordered it from Ford thru the
Ellsworth Harrold Ford dealership in Sacto.

A year later, while on a bike ride with family,
I spotted this truck going by with For Sale sign.
Dad & I chased it for a couple of miles and
got the basic info. ( I was 9 years old at the time)

We got with the owner at his house later to
discuss the deal. Turns out he was thinking about
taking out the back seat to haul rocks. He had
a rock saw and played with it. We talked him into
getting a Jeep (saw him later with TWO jeeps,
one on a trailer behind the other) This guy bought a
new caddy for his wife every year, though she only
put a couple hundred miles on each, can you say MONEY?

Dad bought it for $2800, I got it a few years ago.
I learned to drive in this truck.

Known special order info: Crew Cab, door pockets,
power brakes (4drums), A/C (ParkAir), short bed

Known details: 292 V8, Ch*vy drive shaft carrier bearing,
1/2 ton suspension, B*nneville brake booster
Engine replaced once (sucked valve)

Known mods: Oversize tires (still bias ply), overleaf springs
(old style), vinyl dash top installed, tailgate replaced (rust),
self adjusting brake mechanism removed, repainted same
color a few times. Hauled a 3/4 ton
fully overcab custom built 8 ft camper for LOTS of years.
I'll dig up a photo some day of it with the camper.

Warranty number: F10CH506881 WB: 128 Color Y
Model: F100 Body: B81 Trans: G Axel: 11
Max GVW: 5000 Cert HP: 135 RPM: 3800 DSO: 72

I know what I got, what do the numbers say?

Ford didn't start the CrewCabs until '65 and I think that
even then they were F250's, right? Any other F100 Crews
out there?

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:49:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: hubs and stuff....

> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:21:21 -0500
> From: SLaG
> Subject: hubs and stuff....

> maybe i can find one... if not...the guy at auto zone said i would
> have to buy a whole new hub assembly ....which i just avoided
> doing..so that would suck... if i can't find one ...then you guys
> who can get em for a $1 need to send me one... =o)

Take the one you have to auto parts and have them find a match, it
doesn't have to be specifically for that application. They all have
assortments they can dig through for it :-) If you still can't find
one go to an industrial suppy house, they have them for sure or a
tractor/farm implement sales or motorcycle shop :-)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:11:53 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Easy Upgrades and bad Vibrations

> From: "Brett McCoy"
> Subject: Easy Upgrades and bad Vibrations
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:47:07 -0500

> when I give the gas peddle a little tap in park. As the RPM drops
> back to slow idle you feel the whole cab shake and the rear view
> mirrors all shake pretty good. I don't seem to recall this before

In 79 Ford changed the 460 to external balanced so if they put an
older flex plate on it it may be out of balance. Find out what year
flex plate they put on it and also make sure the bottom end is
actually a 79 vintage setup. They can not be put on out of balance
since the hole spacing prevents that but they can be put on backwards
which would caurse all kinds of problems. Better take it back to
them and have them check it out for you under the repair warantee.


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 09:12:19 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

Hey Gary, keep us posted on how the electric cooling fan works out. I've been
thinking of one myself. I have a friend with an 84 302 150 that put a single
blade model on a few weeks ago. He was a little disappointed because it ran a
little hotter than it did with the stock model. He is now thinking about trying a
dual blade electric.

I'm the guy with the rich Holley problem. I'll try to get those metering plate
numbers sometime today, if you still have your catalog with you.

Pat
patrick harrell
pharrell bae.uga.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:27:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: rings....or valves

> From: SARHOG aol.com
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:08:51 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: rings....or valves

> After squirting a little oil in there, it went up to 220. Is this
> telling
> me my rings are worn?? If so, anybody got any quick fix ideas short

Oil will increase the compression on brand new rings by almost that
much so I don't think that's your problem. More likely a manifold
leak, PCV or head gasket or possably valve seal. Get torque masters
and forget it :-)

Really make sure the PCV is working properly first, then if not fixed
try the valve seals (next easiest fix) then if still not fixed and
you have time put new gaskets on the intake and put RTV in the
corners of the rubber front and rear seals where they meet the side
gaskets, just a small dab is all you need there, move the manifold
around a bit to make sure it seats squarely with the heads and evenly
torque the bolts so it doesn't shift or twist as you tighten it down.
This last step it very important since it will tend to stay where
ever you start getting something tight so if you tighten it evenly it
tends to shift evenly till it homes in. Head gaskets would be a last
resort in my book and very unlikely to cause this problem without a
compression loss anyway so I rule it out IMHO :-)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:23:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Out of order digests.

Every list had either a duplicate digest number or an out of
order digest number. The information is not duplicated and
each digest is unique. This occurred due to a configuration
error on my part. This has been corrected. We now return
you to our regularly scheduled program.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:35:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Anyone ??

> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 22:56:07 -0500
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> Subject: Anyone ??

> exactly what I've got. I do know its a 429/460. but am not sure what
> year and which it is for sure. I tried a local crankshaft regrinder
> but he states that he's never heard of this number. Any help would
> be greatly appreciated as I am now at a stalling point for ordering
> parts.

Only changes I'm aware of were a total of .030" deck height and a
switch from internal balancing to external in 79. If it's a CJ or
police it may have 4 bolt mains and siamesed cylinders but that
doesn't affect any of the other parts AFAIK.

What parts are you looking for?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:42:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Anyone ??

> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 06:05:20 -0500
> From: "Donald R. Screen"
> Subject: Re: Anyone ??

> 6015 is the actual part number Probably just stands for engine
> block..might also indicated block size.....Ford dealer should be
> able to tell you if this equates to a 429 or 460 block. The A2B is
> the modification/version code for this block. Got my flame suit on
> if anybody disagrees with the above....How about it Sleddog?
> Sleddog is our resident 460 Big Block expert.

Your analysis is exactly right, prefix it year and application,
number is base part number designating type of part and suffix is
version/modification code. I just went to layout to check a
distributor number and that's exactly the way they work. Don't make
engines here so can't check that number, sorry :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:56:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: High output heater

> From: "Bear"
> Subject: High output heater
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:38:49 -0500

> What makes the HO put out more heat I have one but I can't see a
> difference

Larger core size for more surface, same fan motor AFAIK.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:07:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

> From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
> Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 09:12:19 EDT

> I'm the guy with the rich Holley problem. I'll try to get those
> metering plate numbers sometime today, if you still have your
> catalog with you.

What I asked for was the model number of the carb itself. Then I can
look up the parts it's supposed to have (most of them anyway) but if
you have the part numbers that will work too.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:42:12 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Cooling Fan Options???

i would pitch the flex fan. i personnally will never use one. they look
nice - until a blade shoots through the hood buthering that beautiful new
paint job and ...
they also flatten out too much imho at higher rpms. go with a stock fan or
get a plastic fan. i use a plastic fan on my truck puller. no clutch, and
it moves enormous amounts of air at idle and although it also flattens out
at higher rpms, it still seems to flow enough to keep my engine cool (as
long as the belts are tight enough on the water pump). also, the plastic
fan won't come apart ever, is extemely light and won't cut your hand off if
you ever get too close.
electric is the best choice, but the price!
there is actually a certain distance the fan should be from the shroud.
not right next to the edge. does anyone know what it is? when i bought
the plastic fan from summit it had a diagram for best flow but i think i
tossed it out.

sleddog



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From: Dale and Donna Carmine[SMTP:dcarmine inetnebr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 1997 10:06 PM
To: Ford Trucks
Subject: Cooling Fan Options???

List,

OK guys it's time to haul out those opinions again!

Recently went on a extended vacation pulling camper and hauling all the
gear associated with a family of four. My '79 F-150, 351M, ran ok except
that it tended to get hot in stop-n-go traffic (90?F, A/C on) and would
boil over immediately after pulling off the highway. Temperature stayed
normal when running down the highway.

The 351M was a swap, the original motor was a 302. I suspect that the
radiator is the original 302 radiator. The fan has been replaced with an
aluminum flex fan which is chewed up from when the alternator bolt broke
and backed out into the fan, (it's not chewed up so bad as to affect
cooling). There is about a 2" gap between the edge of the fan and the
shroud, the fan is smaller than the shroud and set back from the shroud
opening. I don't plan to replace the radiator until this one dies, I'll
probably consider a larger core radiator at that time. My question is
about the fan. Should I ;

1) Go to the boneyard and dig up a stock fan/thermostatic clutch set-up.

2) Get a new flex fan with spacers to get it centered in the shroud
opening.

3) Pitch the flex fan and go with an electric fan set-up.

I'm leaning toward the electric fan but am interested in hearing your
opinions. I've read some negative comments about electric fans not moving
enough air for slow desert crawling, etc. While I'm not currently planning
any outing like that stop-n-go traffic is a real possibility.

I'm looking forward to your comments.

later
dale c






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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:43:23 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: hubs and stuff....

many hardware stores sell the snap rings - just take the other one in for a match.

sleddog

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From: SLaG[SMTP:rasberry aaaa.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 1997 10:21 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: hubs and stuff....

ok...thanks to everyone who has answered about my hubs...
i have checked all over town and no one has axle shaft snap rings...
not even a junkyard...i still have a couple to check though...so maybe i
can find one...
if not...the guy at auto zone said i would have to buy a whole new hub
assembly ....which i just avoided doing..so that would suck...
if i can't find one ...then you guys who can get em for a $1 need to
send me one... =o)

i hope you feel a sense of accomplishment because if you know it or not
you are all helping me build up my rig...and i thank you for it ...
however the going is slow on my minimum wage budget.......

thanks again.
rasberry
- --
DIa??a





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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:55:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Anyone ??

the 6015 means it is a cyl block. the D means 1970-1979. there should be
a number 0-9 after the D to denote the years in the 1970's. i think you
should look at the number closely. it might say D1VE. this would be a
1971 429/460 block without the tall deck hight of the '72 on blocks.

BTW, watch it on these part numbers, i have seen upside down and sideways
numbers making it diffcult to figure out sometimes, like a sidways N looks
like an N.

sleddog

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From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 1997 11:56 PM
To: Fordtrucks
Subject: Anyone ??

Does anyone have a listing, or know an easy way to get a true
identification of a block casting number?

I recently purchased a 64'f100 and am going to put my engine that
I previously stuffed into a 79'f150 supercab 4x4 into it. Its been about
8 years since I played with this motor and can't remember exactly what
I've got. I do know its a 429/460. but am not sure what year and which
it is for sure. I tried a local crankshaft regrinder
but he states that he's never heard of this number. Any help would be
greatly appreciated as I am now at a stalling point for ordering parts.

block casting number...DNE 6015 A2B.....???

Thanks for your help.

Brian
64'f100 shortbox
78'f150 4x4
96'f150 4x4 shortbox
97'J**P wrangler






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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:08:44 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Anyone ??

- ----------
From: Donald R. Screen[SMTP:dscreen ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 7:05 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Anyone ??



6015 is the actual part number Probably just stands for engine block..might
also indicated block size.....Ford dealer should be able to tell you if this
equates to a 429 or 460 block. The A2B is the modification/version code for
this block.
Got my flame suit on if anybody disagrees with the above....How about it....

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