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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, November 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 364



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In this issue:

Re: Got the bug [wayside wavecom.net (Robert Patelke)]
Re: Replies, subject ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Got the bug ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F350 drivetrain [Kelly Farough ]
Re: Got the bug > 460's [Randy Collins ]
Re: One for the "Aaarghh" file... 300/6 carb. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Got the bug ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F350 drivetrain ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F350 drivetrain ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Got the bug ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: F350 drivetrain ["Bill Beyer" ]
Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file... ["Bill Beyer"
Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file... ["Bill Beyer]
Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file... ["Gary, 78 B]
Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file... ["Bill Beyer]
Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file... ["Gary, 78 B]
torquemaster spark plugs ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: torquemaster spark plugs ["J. Oxley" ]
Re: F350 drivetrain ["J. Oxley" ]
Re: slow mail (Ford content included) [SARHOG aol.com]
Re: slow mail [JRFiero aol.com]
Re: Smog exempt or what? [Nathan Lane ]
Re: Smog exempt or what & Pomona swapmeet ["MICHAEL FRISCH"
Re: Smog exempt or what? ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
Smoggy the weasel part two ["Brett McCoy" ]
Re: Smog exempt or what & Pomona swapmeet [danadeb pacbell.net]
Speaking of exhaust stuff! [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:35:59 GMT
From: wayside wavecom.net (Robert Patelke)
Subject: Re: Got the bug

On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:16:37 -0800, you wrote:

snip
> Try to get a part time 4X system
>if possible. The NP205 gear drive transfer case is basically =
indestructible
>if there's been fluid kept in it. The NP203 is a chain drive full time
>system and not quite as durable.=20
>
Thanks for this; reliability is my main concern. Is there a quick visual
way to tell full time from part time?
I hate being so clueless, but I'm new to the world of 4X4's.
Thanks again,
Rob
>Also it's a good idea to take it to an area where you can really test =
out
>the 4X. Engage the case in 4 Hi and try to climb a relatively steep dirt
>hill if you can find one. This will tell you if both hubs are engaging =
and
>the axles are OK. I did this with mine and found out that the right =
locking
>hub wasn't working right so the guy knocked $100 off the price. (Course =
all
>it needed was a good cleaning and a little grease.) But there was no way=
to
>tell that at the time.=20

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:31:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Replies, subject

> From: JRFiero aol.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:13:18 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Steering box rebuild kits

> By the way - I almost just deleted Gary's mail without reading
> it, because
> it still had the original subject line, which had nothing to do with
> steering. I suggest we all amend the subject lines to indicate the
> actual subject of the mail.

Good point, I'm getting about 50% now but trying to improve. We type
so fast to reply and hit the send button then realize we forgot to
check the subject. I do it all the time, sorry :-(

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:03:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Got the bug

> From: wayside wavecom.net (Robert Patelke)
> Subject: Got the bug
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:57:34 GMT

> I've recently come to the conclusion that I need a newer pickup; my
> '71 is beginning to show and feel its age. The "new" one *will* be
> 4X4; and I was wondering if power steering was factory standard or
> an option on the 77-79 F150's. Is there anything I need to beware of
> or avoid in 4X4 pickups in that 77-79 age group? Tia -- Rob

CAUTION! CAUTION! These years are special. You are in serious
danger of falling in love again and it could cause your wife to leave
you!! These years are arguably the best Ford truck years ever for
brute durability and ease of access to parts and some of us believe
also the prettiest :-)

Don't know how standard the power steering was but it's integral so
much nicer than the 73's. I had the drag link type on my 73 van,
what a mess!

Seriously watch for the NP-203 transfer case and avoid it since you
will just want to convert it anyway, get the NP-205 if you can, it's
much stronger and part time.

There was a wide ratio C-6 in those years but I don't know how to
tell it apart except by the way it runs. It's definitely the way to
go it you can get it.

In 77 you may wind up with 28 spline axles, try to get the 31's if
you can. I believe in 78/79 all truck axles were 31's.

Beware of any F-150's with 460's in them. They were an option in the
extended cab's as I recall but very rare so most you see are
conversions and I don't think they were offered in the standard cab
at all??

Look for the double cardan CV joint on the front drive shaft, that's
a plus for sure, I doubt if the long box PU's had them on the rear
but it's possible I suppose for the short box's.

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:51:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Kelly Farough
Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

Bill, My 77 F-250 crewcab 4x came w/ factory dana 60's front & rear.

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, J. Oxley wrote:

>
> Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> >
> > Most of them came with 400 cid/C6(auto) or NP435(std)/NP203(full time) or
> > NP205(part time)/Dana 60(front) Dana 70(rear)
>
> I looked at the truck tonight. It's a supposed 79 with a 75 grill. The
> title also says 75, but the guy claims his freind was trying to hide the
> truck from his wife. The rear is not a dana 70, but dana 60. The guy
> claims Ford went from 2.5 to 3 inch springs in 77 and thats how I can
> tell the truck is truly a 79. It does have 3" springs, front and rear.
> It does also have a dana 60 front, so I guess it must be a F-350, right.
> Truck is a supercab, but has no bed. Al I really want is the dana 60
> rear for my 78 Bronco. Eventually, I would like to convert the dana 60
> front to coil spring mount for my Bronco.
>
> One other thing, it seems the gear ratio is in the 3.70 range. Did
> dana 60's have this gear ratio. He has another dana 60 with the 3.54
> ratio I want. I can have the whole truck and extra rear for 1100$.
> Truck has non-running 351M, rebuilt C6, and air.
>
> OX
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:14:50 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Got the bug > 460's

Beware of any F-150's with 460's in them. They were an option in the
extended cab's as I recall but very rare so most you see are conversions
and I don't think they were offered in the standard cab at all??

The 460's came standard in a few regular cab trucks. I don't know about
the extended cab trucks. For certain they are rare.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Machine work in progress...
(Soon to be 460 SUPER COBRA JET)

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:55:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: One for the "Aaarghh" file... 300/6 carb.

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: One for the "Aaarghh" file... 300/6 carb.
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:30:35 -0800

> Try these guys.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/steering.shtml

Went there but it looks like they only sell the rebuilt boxes, not
the parts??

Anyone want a heavy duty camper? Take a look. This is the truck and
camper featured in one of the 4 wheel rags which went all over
russia and it's for sale!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/am4x44u/events/adventure/teuiii.htm


I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:13:16 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Got the bug

> From: wayside wavecom.net (Robert Patelke)
> Subject: Re: Got the bug
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:35:59 GMT

> Thanks for this; reliability is my main concern. Is there a quick
> visual way to tell full time from part time?

The NP-205 is shorter than the 203 and has a PTO plate on the
passenger side. Both are cast iron housings. The 205 should be
embossed in the casting near the shift rods or on the other side near
the PTO plate, I can't remember where I saw it now.

The shifter should have Low-Neutral-2hi-4hi on the knob if it's a
205. The 203 will have something or other "Lock" in at least two
positions and I don't believe it has a neutral??

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:16:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:05:05 -0500
> From: "J. Oxley"
> Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

> I looked at the truck tonight. It's a supposed 79 with a 75 grill.
> The
> title also says 75, but the guy claims his freind was trying to hide

Look on the frame behind or in front of the passenger side middle
body mount for the VIn # and we can look it up in our little red
books :-) Maybe it's in the dash or under the hood too, not sure?


I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:16:59 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

- ----------
> From: J. Oxley
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> I looked at the truck tonight. It's a supposed 79 with a 75 grill. The
> title also says 75, but the guy claims his freind was trying to hide the
> truck from his wife. The rear is not a dana 70, but dana 60. The guy
> claims Ford went from 2.5 to 3 inch springs in 77 and thats how I can
> tell the truck is truly a 79. It does have 3" springs, front and rear.
> It does also have a dana 60 front, so I guess it must be a F-350, right.
> Truck is a supercab, but has no bed. Al I really want is the dana 60
> rear for my 78 Bronco. Eventually, I would like to convert the dana 60
> front to coil spring mount for my Bronco.

Ford did have a Dana 60 optional front end for F250s so if the rear isn't a
70 it's been swapped or the truck is a F250 with the heavy duty option/crew
cab. Not sure about how accurate spring width is for dating the truck.

> One other thing, it seems the gear ratio is in the 3.70 range. Did
> dana 60's have this gear ratio. He has another dana 60 with the 3.54
> ratio I want. I can have the whole truck and extra rear for 1100$.
> Truck has non-running 351M, rebuilt C6, and air.

3.73 is a pretty common Dana gear ratio especially nowadays. I'm not sure
how common it was in 75/79. My truck is 3.54 and I have a buddy who has
4.10. I've had 2 other trucks (non Ford) with Dana rear ends, both had
3.73s.

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:29:02 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Got the bug

> Thanks for this; reliability is my main concern. Is there a quick visual
> way to tell full time from part time?

Best way to tell is to get under the truck and look at the transfer case.
The 203 has three distinct pieces. The 205 looks like one big beautiful
hunk o' iron. You can check for locking hubs but lots of 203s were
converted and the owners put aftermarket locking hubs on. However chances
are if the truck has the stock Ford locking hubs it has a 205.

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:31:35 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

> Bill, My 77 F-250 crewcab 4x came w/ factory dana 60's front & rear.


Kelly,

Yep, check my reply to Ox earlier today. The 60 front was an option on F250
HDs and crew cabs. That sounds like what Ox is looking at.

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:40:20 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...

- ----------
> > Try these guys.
> >
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/steering.shtml
>
> Went there but it looks like they only sell the rebuilt boxes, not
> the parts??

They also have a rebuilding service so I thought they probably have a
source for the kit/parts you're looking for. BTW what exactly are you
looking for?

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:26:18 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...

> > Went there but it looks like they only sell the rebuilt boxes, not
> > the parts??

Here's another potential source:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.powersteer.com/index.html

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:32:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:40:20 -0800

> They also have a rebuilding service so I thought they probably have
> a source for the kit/parts you're looking for. BTW what exactly are
> you looking for?

Not really looking right now but when I thought my sector shaft might
be twisted I checked around and no one could get any rebuild parts
including bearings etc.. Some of these may be available from Ford,
don't know but the story I got was that packagers, distributors of
the kits had so much warantee problems with people not putting them
together right that they only sell to rebuilders now. Apparently
they are as hard to get right as auto tranny's for some of the same
reasons, valving must be clean, lined up and devoid of any scoring
etc. and bearing preloads affect the operation of the directional
valving etc..

I see all kinds of retrofit articles on PU steering units but when I
looked at the F-250's it mounts on the inside of the frame so won't
work on the bronco anyway and it turns out that the F-250 sector
shaft is the same one used in the bronco box as well :-( I guess you
have to go up to the 350 to get any upgrades :-(

I'm just looking for sources for future projects at this point :-)

BTW, core charges for steering boxes are $200 so you can't just go
out and buy a rebuild for a spare unless you're rich :-(

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:33:04 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...

> > Went there but it looks like they only sell the rebuilt boxes, not
> > the parts??

OK, last one, I promise:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pss1.com/index.htm

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:40:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: Pwr steering rebuild..Was:One for the "Aaarghh" file...
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:26:18 -0800

> > > Went there but it looks like they only sell the rebuilt boxes,
> > > not the parts??
>
> Here's another potential source:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.powersteer.com/index.html

Now we're talking! This sounds like the right place to find steering
parts :-) I see they also handle ZF.

I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:32:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: torquemaster spark plugs

I just called and got the skinny. $12.50 per, Dang! They buy NGK or
Bosch and cut the electrode off and put their own tip on and sell it
as a Torquemaster. Now I'm kinda worried about that arrangement??

The internals depend on what day they buy the cores I guess?? What
if you break one putting it in or getting it out?? Gosh, now I just
don't know!

See Ya'll Monday :-)


I know where compressors get their air, it gets
sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:49:51 -0500
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: torquemaster spark plugs

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> I just called and got the skinny. $12.50 per, Dang! They buy NGK or
> Bosch and cut the electrode off and put their own tip on and sell it
> as a Torquemaster. Now I'm kinda worried about that arrangement??
>
> The internals depend on what day they buy the cores I guess?? What
> if you break one putting it in or getting it out?? Gosh, now I just
> don't know!
>

Gary,

I had these on my turbocharged talon. I did not attain any one of
their claims. I was told to get them out of my car ( by a reputable and
very fast talon racer), because the insulator would eventually crack. I
figured it wouldn't happen to me, so I procrastinated and it eventually
it did. Not sure what core I got. At 300 HP and only 2.0 liters, the cyl
environment is a little more hostile than the average truck engine, but
I wouldn't waste my money on them again.

OX

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:02:44 -0500
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: F350 drivetrain

>Look on the frame behind or in front of the passenger side middle
>body mount for the VIn # and we can look it up in our little red
>books :-) Maybe it's in the dash or under the hood too, not su

>Bill, My 77 F-250 crewcab 4x came w/ factory dana 60's front & rear.

>Ford did have a Dana 60 optional front end for F250s so if the rear >isn't a70 it's been swapped or the truck is a F250 with the heavy duty >option/crewcab. Not sure abo

Well, thanks a bunch for all the responces, especially since it's a
weekend. I decided this truck has to many unknowns and probably is a
250.

I am going tommorrow to measure the other rear he has and crack it
open. I had a friend, who has a Dana 60 rear swapped into his 79 Bronc,
measure the inside backing plate flange to flange measurment and flange
to center of spring perch distance. He told me flange to flange is 56.5
inches and flange to center of spring perch is 6".

I also need to see the spline count as I'm told that Ford switched to
30 spline, from 16, around 75 and I need 30 spline for the detroit
locker I'm getting.

Anyway, thanks for all the help and one more question. Is there any
reason the backing plate flange to flange distance could be the same as
what my freind measured, but the wheel mounting point could be 3" wider.
I have also heard that previous to 78, the dana 60 was 3" wider ()drum
to drum distance). This does not jive with me cause the truck body did
not change in width from 77 to 78, or did it??.

OX

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:46:12 -0500 (EST)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: Re: slow mail (Ford content included)

In a message dated 97-11-22 15:15:20 EST, Deacon Blues writes:


answering
this before you type it! You may ask yourself how do they do that. Well I
ain't tellin' ya, cuz you didn't post no Ford truck content. So there! NA,
na, na, na na,,, na. >>

Alright now, I just got this reply, and I ain't even got my original message
yet?! I reckon it's an AOL thing. Hey, I mentioned an intake manifold last
time, didn't I? While we are on the subject, Is there any way to find out if
I have an intake manifold leak below the intake, between the intake and the
lifter valley? I think my number one cylinder is sucking oil in from there.

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:14:07 -0500 (EST)
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: slow mail

In a message dated 97-11-22 18:45:27 EST, you write:


on
Nov 17th, and it just showed up on the list today (Nov 21st). Is there
something I'm doing wrong? I also see alot of replies days before i see the
original message. It makes following a thread very difficult. I'm sending
this one out at 2:20 pm Nov 21st.
>>
I'm certainely getting the problems you describe - I get mail I've
sent to the list a couple days later, and I often get the originals several
iterations late, if I ever get them at all. BTW, although you sent yours
2:20pm 11/21, the header says 6:45pm 11/22. I'm writing this at 9:11pm
11/22, will send in minutes.

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:46:48 -0600
From: Nathan Lane
Subject: Re: Smog exempt or what?

> Cops dont mess with expired
> tags tell they are over 2 months..
>
> Dopie
> Parts Chimp By Trade
>

Be careful if you drive through Santa Barbara County - they do check
tags. I got pulled over once the literal DAY after my registration
expired. Then, I kept getting tickets (still said May on the tags, and
it was May). I drove to San Francisco and got a parking ticket for
street cleaning - the guy didn't even notice my expired tags nor did any
cops in the six counties along the drive! Drove back to Santa
Barbara...got pulled over within 10 miles of the county line again!
(Still in May, so tags would have looked OK.)

Agree on referees - they are really nice people. The one in Ventura
told me "I don't know why they sent you here - you're really good out
the tailpipe...I guess they just don't like the visual or something."

- -Nathan Lane
Glad to not be in a state with a Smog Gestapo.

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:01:56 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: Smog exempt or what & Pomona swapmeet

>>Deacon,

Yea, lets know what you find out...

dopie

*********


Ill be the young guy w/ my dad who looks like "Larry"
from the Three Stoges..;)

Is 8:30 good for everyone?
Main ticket gate?..

dopie
parts chimp by trade

______________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:14:09 PST
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: Smog exempt or what?

>> Cops dont mess with expired
>> tags tell they are over 2 months..
>>
>> Dopie
>> Parts Chimp By Trade
>>
>
>Be careful if you drive through Santa Barbara County - they do check
>tags. I got pulled over once the literal DAY after my registration
>expired. Then, I kept getting tickets (still said May on the tags, and
>it was May). I drove to San Francisco and got a parking ticket for
>street cleaning - the guy didn't even notice my expired tags nor did
any
>cops in the six counties along the drive! Drove back to Santa
>Barbara...got pulled over within 10 miles of the county line again!
>(Still in May, so tags would have looked OK.)
>
>-Nathan Lane
>Glad to not be in a state with a Smog Gestapo.
>

Nathan,

>From expriance in City of L.A. I have never had any problems.
But as you say, each county is differnt.
I only work a few blocks away, so hope I dont have any problmes.

dopie
parts chimp by trade



______________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:07:53 -0600
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Smoggy the weasel part two

Some you may recall that about a month ago I wrote how I needed to update my
exhaust system because of the little weasel at the emissions test station
that looked for a cat even though I passed the sniffer test he failed me
because of the dual exhaust with not cats. Today I finely got some time to
work on it. My '79 F-250 crew cab had rusty old 2.5" dual exhaust system on
it with two glass packs. So today I cut off the old system just after the
two pipes started running side by side down the passenger side of the
vehicle. Then hung a flowmaster y-pipe that converted it to 3". Next put
up a high flow 3" cat and a 3" flowmaster muffler. I still need to turn it
90 degrees and exit in front of the rear tire but most of the hard work is
done. I must say that I am very please with the result so far. No
noticeable decline in performance and it is quitter than the old dual glass
pack setup. Still sounds really beefy though. I would recommend this setup
to anyone. Very easy to hang if the manifold pipes are still in good shape....


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