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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, November 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 342



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In this issue:

NP453 & T-18 production [Stuart Varner ]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
AOD 351 C [Stuart Varner ]
Oiling of compressors [am14 chrysler.com]
max pressure [am14 chrysler.com]
RE: 429 #'s [Sleddog ]
Re: Ganahl's Ford Performance book ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] [shoman p3.net]
RE: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #337 351M Powe [Sleddog ]
RE: Tunnel Ram Combo ?? [Sleddog ]
RE: 351M Power >400+ 10:1? [Sleddog ]
AOD for 351C [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: AOD 351 C [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] ["deconblu" ]
Re: 351M/400M ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: AOD 351C match [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Oiling of compressors ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 429 #'s [SARHOG aol.com]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: a/c conversions [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabricatio]
copper types [Adam Clever ]
Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark] ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
New Duraspark question [Tom Hogan ]
Re: Tunnelram 460 #341 [STCLASSICS aol.com]
351M/400M ["Dave Resch"]
Re: New Duraspark question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: New Duraspark question ["deconblu" ]
Re: My baby's wreck.... ["Dave Resch"]

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:52:12 -0800
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: NP453 & T-18 production

According to the book, the np435 started production in 1965.
the T-18 in 1966....the book has it listed 66-69 years as a 4 speed
synchro Warner. In 69 they started calling in T-18 for id purposes.
Sound right to anybody else out there?

How far is that 59 4X4 from West Tennessee? Kinda interested if you
ain't!

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:03:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> From: shoman p3.net
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:57:03 -0800
> Subject: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> WEll I just got done putting in the duraspark in the 68 302(got a
> dist gear from Ford)Wired it just like the FAQ says..Its only 2
> wires and I have no spark????I'm getting power from a source in the
> engine bay when the key is run just like the Faq...And still no
> spark???Anyway of testing the module???Anything I'm missing???Any
> help would be appreciated Joe 68 F100 4x4 302 NP435

Joe. red wire has to go to the start relay for 12v power when key is
in start mode and white goes to the balast resistor or resistor wire
for 6 - 8v in run position. You should be able to find these wires
at the ignition switch as inputs to the ignition wire to the coil but
they need to be separated for the module to ues them properly.

Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:58:38 -0800
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: AOD 351 C

I have seen several good AOD build ups from Ford Hi-Po, Super Ford and
other variuos Mustang Mags. Want me to scratch around for the articles
on how to beef them up? STU
Nuke GM! ford-trucks.boom

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:29 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Oiling of compressors

>how do you keep them lubricated or do they have their own crankcases?

They have very small crankcases as I recall. (It's been a long time
and I'm an old man now)
I've never checked the oil since installing them. the compressors can
be had for $25 at just
about any of the local salvage yards here, so I never bothered. In
10plus years of operation
I've never had to replace either, and both function perfectly. I'll try
to remember and check
them this weekend and let you know for sure.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:21:15 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: max pressure


> out of it?

Don't know...!! Just know that it works well up to the limits set on
the pressure switch (150psi). I would suppose that the max capability
of the pumps is much higher than 150psi, because I don't see any slower
rise in the pressure needle up near the 150 mark. Usually, if you are
close to the max capability of the compressor it will take longer to
pump a given # of lbs on the upper end of the scale.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:39:26 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 429 #'s

these are the heads of choice for a street engine. with flat top pistons
you can have 11.5:1 compression. they donot have the thermactor ports
sticking into the exhaust runners. they also have the larger sparkplug
thread. they are 1968 429/460 heads. also they have positive stop rail
type rockers. these are the "good" heads. i have a set of these in my
garage. they are worth more than the mid and late 70's heads, but not as
much as the CJ heads, or the '73 police heads. and, my last motor using
these heads and 11.5:1 compression ran on pump gas.

sleddog

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From: Don Grossman[SMTP:duckdon pacific.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:17 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 429 #'s

The casting #'s on the 429 heads are

C8VE-E

What's up with these?

thanks
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!






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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:41:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Ganahl's Ford Performance book

> From: "Dave Resch"
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:46:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: Ganahl's Ford Performance book

> IMHO, if you are interested in the nuts-n-bolts details of the 335
> series or 385 series engines, the Tom Monroe book ("How to Rebuild
> Ford V8 Engines" ISBN 0-89586-036-8) is the way to go.

There are a few mistakes in Tom's book also but not serious ones,
they are typo's which can be interpolated by the careful reader. he
did miss the small block flange on the 351C tho. Acted like he
wasn't sure which configuration it was, only that it wasn't big
block. I thought that was a little strange? I highly recommend his
book tho. Very full of good stuff about cam specs etc..

Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:55:14 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

Gary,
another question..Don't I need a power source to the COIL like the
original style set up????I know it has the harness from the module,but
do I need to get juice to the coil?
joe

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:57:23 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #337 351M Powe

i have heard from others that even a 400 with the 351c 4V heads has no power below 2000 rpm. how does your 351 go with the 4V heads?

sleddog

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From: DAN LEE[SMTP:GEGK00A prodigy.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 7:00 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #337 351M Powe

Do you want Power? Get a set of 351C-4V heads on that M block. If it
is true what they say about the heads being interchangeable. Then add
a suitable intake and headers.

Dan Lee
'53 F100 351C-4V






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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:03:08 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Tunnel Ram Combo ??

i have no experience with them as they are against the truck pulling regs,
but i can tell you this - they will help make power like nothing else!
they are not hard to maintain with 1 4bbl, but with duals it becomes
harder. a 460 with good heads, cam exhaust, etc, and a tunnel ram will be
capable of 600 hp easy, and 900 hp almost as easy.

there is also available i think a dual plane 2x4 intake from blue thunder,
price i do not know.

sleddog

ps - IMO, there is only one thing that compares to the way a tunnel ram
looks, and that is a blower!

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From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt[SMTP:milbrand visi.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 1:02 AM
To: Fordtrucks
Subject: Tunnel Ram Combo ??

NEED INPUT !!!

What's the "Lists" thoughts on tunnel rams ??,
gas mileage is not great with the 460 anyway. So I saw this combo in
the summit catalog offering a Weiand tunnel ram w/450 cfm holleys for
$560.00 and w/600's for $602.00. I'm not building this motor for a daily
driver, but more for a toy. I'm not real sure about how these setups are
to maintain, if there more a pain in the butt, or worth the price.
I'm sure somebody's had experience with them. let me know the good and
bad.

Thanks,
Brian

'64 F100 shortbox
'78 F150 4x4
'96 F150 4x4 shortbox
'94 Chr**ler LHS (wife sold j**P)






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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:55:42 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 351M Power >400+ 10:1?

well, it sounds like a motor i'll like then!! more power!!
>

sleddog

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From: Dave Resch[SMTP:dresch sybase.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:35 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79-digest ListService.net
Subject: RE: 351M Power >400+ 10:1?

I personally know of two guys that tried this exact combination, 400 w/
351C 4V heads. One guy races a '76 Gran Torino where the displacement is a
factor and he didn't want a big block. The other poor guy is a trucker w/
a '79 F350 4x4. The drag racer is happy. The trucker is not.

W/ the 4V Cleveland heads on the M-block, there is almost no power below
2000 rpm. OTOH, the drag racer claims his motor is good for at least 500
hp over 6000 rpm.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)







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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:10:27 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: AOD for 351C

>The last I remember reading on this is that the 351C has the same bell
housing bolt pattern as the 301. Is that correct? Will a later model
AOD
off a 301 fit? Will it hold up reasonably?

302.........302............302 - not 301. I have no personal
experience with this and I'm not even positive that the bellhousing
bolt patterns are the same, but they are supposed to be the same, if
what I read is true. I'd personally prefer one off a 351W rather than
a 302. It just might be built a bit stronger here and there. If it
will stand the rigors in a 351W truck, I would think it would stand up
to a 351C. Be sure to get the earlier version that shifts hydraulically
and not electronically.

Good luck

Azie

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 06:18:27 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: AOD 351 C

Yes, I would be interested in them, even though I would probably end up
paying someone to do it because of my very limited "spare time." I always
like to know what's going on, even if I am not doing it myself. Less
chance of being screwed over.


Thanks for your message at 07:58 AM 11/7/97 -0800, Stuart Varner. Your
message was:
>I have seen several good AOD build ups from Ford Hi-Po, Super Ford and
>other variuos Mustang Mags. Want me to scratch around for the articles
>on how to beef them up? STU
>Nuke GM! ford-trucks.boom
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:22:34 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

Sorry Joe I can't remember what you have and what you've been told. It all
depends on how much of the original harness you have from the donor. I can't
remember if you seen this page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html
it gives you all the installation and wiring instructions.
Good luck!


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- -----Original Message-----
From: shoman p3.net
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]


>Gary,
>another question..Don't I need a power source to the COIL like the
>original style set up????I know it has the harness from the module,but
>do I need to get juice to the coil?
>joe
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:24:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 351M/400M

> From: Brazzadog aol.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:49:33 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: 351M/400M

> be tweaked with 351C parts to go toe to toe with a 460. Wouldn't it
> be possible to ream out the 351M cylinders and build it as a 400?
> I'm sorry if my ignorance is showing.

If you build the 400 and the 460 the same amount they won't ever be
equal, trust me. If you compare a built 400 to a stock 460 they may
compare but then the cost doesn't compare, right?

Yes you can build a 351M into a 400 by switching the crank and
pistons Just as you can the 429 and 460. If you have the 351M
installed then swapping the crank and pistons will be the cheapest
upgrade IMHO but requires some knowledge of setting up engines for
bearing clearances etc..


Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 06:28:47 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: AOD 351C match

I don't want to give the impression I"m burning them off at every light.
It does seem that it requires some forthought to avoid being the first one
off the line. I'm not sure what it is, maybe the cam (the guy who gave up
this truck says it has an RV cam). I'm getting too old and respectable to
be seen out street racing (that's only half serious).

Anyway, I sure love this truck and the 351C (my second Cleveland, both
2V--both great drivers).

Thanks for the quick response to my question. As far as typos go
(refererring to another thread here), I really need to move that "2" in 302
farther away from the "1" that I hit. My other truck (also a 62, but a
stepside) is a 302 3spd, and I'm sure I'll have some questions about that
one, too.

Thanks for your message at 12:56 AM 11/7/97 -0600, George Shepherd. Your
message was:
>Any AOD will fit your 351C block. There is only one AOD, but two tail
>pieces. One for 2x4 and another for 4x4s. I would pay for a premium rebuild
>job with blue printed components. It should stand up to your use. I don't
>know whether the lockup torque converter will take that kind of usage, but
>it is not necessary for use of an AOD and a regular C4 torque converter can
>be used.
>
>----------
>> From: Dennis Pearson
>> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
>> Subject: AOD 351C match
>> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 11:39 PM
>>
>> OK. I've been religiously reading this group for 3 or 4 months now and I
>> am amazed at the amount of information that comes through here.
>>
>> Now I have a question about something that has already been discussed,
>but
>> I may have missed something--the definitive answer to the question "Which
>> AOD is best suited (Bolt-right-up and stand up to the jack rabbit starts
>I
>> so enjoy) for the 351C, two-barrel in a 1962 Unibody with a (I think) a
>> Dana 44 limited slip rear end (3.25 by the good old
>> turn-the-tire-and-count-the-driveline-revolutions technique). I haven't
>> actually crawled under the truck to check, but I believe it now uses an
>FMX
>> that doesn't slip or anything, but I would like the extra gas mileage, if
>> possible.
>>
>> The last I remember reading on this is that the 351C has the same bell
>> housing bolt pattern as the 301. Is that correct? Will a later model
>AOD
>> off a 301 fit? Will it hold up reasonably?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:37:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> From: shoman p3.net
> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:55:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> Gary,
> another question..Don't I need a power source to the COIL like the
> original style set up????I know it has the harness from the
> module,but do I need to get juice to the coil? joe +--------------

That's the green wire to the coil which comes from the module. The
red wire goes to ground I think. This schematis is in any Ford
Haynes manual and they are very clear as to what hooks to what. You
should beg, borrow or ......... well not steal but you should get
one.

Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:43:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Oiling of compressors

> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Subject: Oiling of compressors
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:29 -0500

> They have very small crankcases as I recall. (It's been a long time
> and I'm an old man now) I've never checked the oil since installing
> them. the compressors can be had for $25 at just about any of the

Did you do anything special to lub them or recover the oil that gets
mixed in the air? Describe your complete system for us please? If
they still work after 10 years, what ever you did must work, eh?

Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:09:50 -0500 (EST)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: Re: 429 #'s

In a message dated 97-11-07 07:23:49 EST, you write:


The casting #'s on the 429 heads are

C8VE-E

What's up with these? >>
I don't know what those numbers mean, but I have the same numbers on my
heads....they are on a 460 (I think), but I was told they were 429 heads.

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:21:56 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

Gary,

Please look at this site and in a chiltons manual:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html

The red wire goes to 12v when the key is in the RUN position and the
white wire goes to a 12V source that is hot ONLY when starting.

If you give the white wire voltage it will be putting the control unit
in cranking retard ALWAYS and with the red wire 12v at key start only
then the control unit will not have any voltage to run when the key is
in the run position.


Dana

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:34:36 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

Don't make me say it again!

Go to:


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html


It has an ACCURATE wiring diagram!

Dana

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:39:33 EST
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: a/c conversions

Steve, you'll really like the tank bumper. I'd go with at least 1/4" wall thickness
or better yet the 3/8" thickness like I used though. 1/8" wouldn't stand up to
any bush pushing in the woods. And if you custom make it you wouldn't want it
to get all dented up. Another thing, recess the end plate where you mount the
schrader valve and pressure guage so they're protected from damage. I didn't do
that with the first one I made. You can guess what happened.

Pat

- ---------------------------------------------
Steve Delanty said:

> That's kinda funny.. I've been thinking for quite a while of building
> a nice tubular bumper for the F100 and was thinking yesterday about
> using it for an air storage tank!
> Two 6' tubes with 4" O.D. and 1/8" wall thickness gives 6.88 gallons.
- ----------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 08:31:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: copper types

>>Most copper is not rated for the pressure you want. Please use steel line
>>on air compressors.

> Naw, copper is fine. Depending on the diameter schedule 40 copper is
No such animal. Copper is only rated type K, L, M, from thickest to
thinnest wall.

> The line from the pump to the tank on my 2hp Craftsman is copper
> from the factory...
I've seen plenty of copper lines and 'cooling' coils--2-4 loops of
tubing--on the discharge of compressors for air tools

>I've got a 15' coil of 5/8" sch40 copper for
I was sure 'schedule' designation was only for steel pipe. where'd you find
this s40 copper?

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:18:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:21:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: No spark from Duraspark]

> Gary,
>
> Please look at this site and in a chiltons manual:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html
>
> The red wire goes to 12v when the key is in the RUN position and the
> white wire goes to a 12V source that is hot ONLY when starting.

This may very well be true. I found I had to switch them on one
truck but in three manuals I have they are all in agreement. I'm
going from memory here since I don't have them with me right now but
you may be right. OTOH, ford changed the purpose of several wires on
several occasions, the orange and purple in one case for sure. Not
sure about the red and white ones?

In any case it doesn't hurt anything and it's easy enough to switch
them as I did. I used a multmeter to find the power levels and
hooked them up according to the manuals but it didn't work so I
switched them and it did work?? Never did find a reference in the
manuals about that switch??

Maybe I just made a mistake...............Naaaaaaaaaaaaah, not me :-)

Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:57 -0800
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: New Duraspark question

I was looking at the duraspark page listed below and they say that
Duraspark 2 system used the large diameter rotor cap. My '76 has an
electronic ignition with the magnetic pickup. It also has the small
diameter distributor cap. I thought it was a duraspark unit. The web
page mentions a duraspark 2, do I have a duraspark 1? Oh wise sages of
the list pour your knowledge upon me!!


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)



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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:07:16 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: No spark from Duraspark

Go to this site and see if you have all of the wiring correct.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html
be sure all of the colors are correct I read somewhere that some
replacement wiring harnesses connectors were assembled incorrectly.

Good luck

Dana

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:44:22 -0500 (EST)
From: STCLASSICS aol.com
Subject: Re: Tunnelram 460 #341

Brian,
. I am running this setup on my 79 F-250 4x4 showtruck with the 351-M and it
produces plenty of power tho I am running dual AFB's not Holleys. The front
carb has an electric choke, the rear carb is chokeless. These are smaller in
actual size but are still 600 c.f.m. and thus fit better. they are also
easier to tune . Once they are calibrated by a reputable shop that has the
equiptment to do multi-carb. setups, they work great with progressive
linkage and your gas mileage should'nt suffer. Plan on cutting a nice size
hole in the hood too. With a Mr. Gasket Super-Scoop on top, this setup is
awsome looking plus the scoop protects the tops of the carbs from rain and
dust. Plan on spending about $800. for the complete setup and another $75 for
calibration. I'm not sure about the 460, but on my 351-M, I had to install
the manifold backwards for clearance of the distributor and also had to run a
Mallory Unilite dist. as the large cap on the Duraspark did not fit at all.
The Unilite barely fits with it's small cap. Add a another $150. for the
Unilite distributor atleast. I get about 10 m.p.g. as long as I don't get on
it hard.(which is not too often) Everybody expects it when they see
dual-quads sticking out of the hood.(it's hard to resist) I only drive mine
about 1000 miles a year , if that , so it's no big deal. For an 8000 pound
4wd truck 10 m.p.g. is'nt that bad and I never got better than 12 m.p.g.
since it was new. Kenny / SCC

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:58:26 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: 351M/400M

>From: Brazzadog aol.com
>Subject: 351M/400M
>
>complicated. It was written that the 351M and 400M were the
>same except crank and pistons. It was also said that the
>400M could be tweaked with 351C parts to go toe to toe with
>a 460. Wouldn't it be possible to ream out the 351M
>cylinders and build it as a 400? I'm sorry if my ignorance is
>showing.
Yo Ben:
The difference between the displacement of the 351M and 400 engines is
because of the stroke of the crank. The 400 crank has 0.50" longer stroke.

You probably couldn't hog out the cylinders in an M-block that far (i.e.,
enough to gain 50 or so cubiic inches) and still have a reliable motor.
Getting a 400 crank is not hard to do, and once you have the crank, almost
any aftermarket Cleveland-style piston will work with it.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:10:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: New Duraspark question

> From: Tom Hogan
> Subject: New Duraspark question
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:57 -0800

> I was looking at the duraspark page listed below and they say that
> Duraspark 2 system used the large diameter rotor cap. My '76 has an
> electronic ignition with the magnetic pickup. It also has the small
> diameter distributor cap. I thought it was a duraspark unit. The
> web page mentions a duraspark 2, do I have a duraspark 1? Oh wise
> sages of the list pour your knowledge upon me!!

This was an add on at some point but I don't know when they decided
to do it. As the coils outputs got higher they had trouble with
cross firing so widened the cap. All 12127's of the old style have
the same top casting as far as I know and will accept the wide
adapter. rotor and cap. The housing doesn't care if it's used for
electronic or points, they're all the same.

You can get the three parts from Summit or any parts house for around
$27 for all three but remember they take the post type wires.


Do we have the right
spares in our beast?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:19 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: New Duraspark question

>I was looking at the duraspark page listed below and they say that
>Duraspark 2 system used the large diameter rotor cap. My '76 has an
>electronic ignition with the magnetic pickup. It also has the small
>diameter distributor cap. I thought it was a duraspark unit. The web
>page mentions a duraspark 2, do I have a duraspark 1? Oh wise sages of
>the list pour your knowledge upon me!!
>
>
>Tom H

Na, You got a 2. It's a long explanation, let me see if I can make it short.
They use both. Yo, Adrian. I did it! Remember, Big is better. I have the
large two piece on my '73 and on the '76 there's a small one. (only until I
get a two piece for it).


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From: Tom Hogan
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 9:46 AM
Subject: New Duraspark question


>San Francisco, California
>76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
>96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:07:16 -0800
>From: danadeb pacbell.net
>Subject: Re: No spark from Duraspark
>
>Go to this site and see if you have all of the wiring correct.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html
>be sure all of the colors are correct I read somewhere that some
>replacement wiring harnesses connectors were assembled incorrectly.
>
>Good luck
>
>Dana
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:32:37 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

>From: Claypaul aol.com
>Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....
>
>Major bummer, dude. Sorry about your baby!
> Put the screws to the Beamer lady!

Yo Ken:
Actually, Claypaul is not that far off. Don't forget, you were wronged and
injured (at least financially) by the driver of the other car, and not her
insurance company. Her insurance company is under contract with her to
protect her from liability (i.e., financial redress for her personal error
or negligence). You have no relationship with her insurance company, and
they owe you nothing, except to the extent that she has contracted with
them to shield her from liability. This is an important point to remember:
she is the one who injured you and she is personally responsible for making
it right.

If you are fairly lucky, her insurance company will pay you adequately to
compensate you for her wrong-doing, under the terms of her policy.
However, more likely, her insurance company will act in its own best
interest (not even hers) and do everything it can to limit its own cost in
this matter. Actually, this is ok, because she is still personally
responsible for her actions, regardless of what her insurance company does.

If you can document the actual costs (including parts, labor, and
reasonable incidental expenses) to return your vehicle to the exact
condition it was in before the collision (which also entails documenting
the exact condition your vehicle was in before the collision), and
presuming that she can be determined or proved to be "at fault" in the
collision, you have a very strong case to sue her personally for damages.

Indeed, often this is what it takes to get the insurance company to step up
to the plate and take care of things. Her contract (or policy) with the
insurance company probably says something about them defending her in
court, and if you can file a convincing civil case against her that clearly
documents the actual financial losses you suffered, they will likely pay up....


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