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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 336



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In this issue:

351 ?"M"? [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
FW: NP435 [Adam Clever ]
Re: 66 Transmission [DBrents105 aol.com]
Re: 335 Series Engines ["Dave Resch"]
Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power? [Jeffry Johnston ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #333 [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: It's a York ["deconblu" ]
351 "M" ??? ["Karen and Melissa Lublin" ]
Re: NP 435. ["Karen and Melissa Lublin" ]
More on 351W problems ["Karen and Melissa Lublin" ]
Re: Engine RUST !! [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: 66 Transmission [OldTrux aol.com]
Engine Identification [Don ]
Re:I found the problem! [sdelanty sonic.net]
My baby's wreck.... [Ken Payne ]
What do ya'll think of the window stickers? [Ken Payne
Re: My baby's wreck.... [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
351M oil pressure problems [Ken Payne ]
Spicer seal Kit [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: It's a York [Don Grossman ]
Re: Decifer Trans [OldTrux aol.com]
Re: Decifer Trans [Don Grossman ]
Re: My baby's wreck.... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 351 ?"M"? [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: It's a York ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Fw: 351 ??M?? ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers? ["deconblu"
203 Part Time Conversion ["Karl Simon" ]
Twin I Beam Caster&Camber [Jim Craig ]
Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers? [Jeffry Johnston
HEP ME HEP ME?!?!? [Don Grossman ]
Re: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas? [mark heims
Re: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber ["deconblu" ]
Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers? ["deconblu"
Re: 351 ?"M"? ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:54:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: 351 ?"M"?

- -> I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much
- -> contadictory talk. What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M",
- -> "Midland", "Michigan", or "Modified"?

Ford refers to it as Modified. At least one third-party book confuses
the matter by using the term Midland.

Hey, it could be worse. The lineage of the early Chrysler hemis makes
Ford's engine incestuous engine families look positively mundane.


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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 14:25:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: FW: NP435

>NP stands for New Process(a gear making company)

and is part of Dodge/Chysler/Plymouth (whichever name is the tippy top of
that corporate food chain)

>>While under my 68 F100 I noticed a "N" with what looks like a sun

sounds about right, look for the P and its for sure.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:43:47 -0500 (EST)
From: DBrents105 aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 Transmission

If you are looking for an automatic, first choice C6, second choice FMX.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:36:22 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 335 Series Engines

>were made in the Midland plant thus the confusion but they are still
>cleveland blocks and all 3 are 335 series engines :-)
The M-block (351M/400) is not considered a "Cleveland" block because of its
taller deck height and larger main journal size, even though 351C and
M-blocks are all 335 series engines.

The 351W is not a 335 series engine. The 351W is considered to be in the
same family as the 289/302 small blocks.

>> the stroke of the crank i believe, as the 385 series (429-460) the 385
>>denotes the crank stroke.
>
> The stroke of the 351M, or any other 351 for that matter, is 3.50".
I
>don't know why it's called 335 though....
The engine family design series numbers 335 and 385 probably originated as
internal Ford engineering project numbers.

The stroke of the 351C and 351M is 3.50" (same as the 351W). The stroke of
the 400 is 4.00". All 351s and the 400 share the 4.00" bore.

The stroke of the 429 is 3.55" and the stroke of the 460 is 3.85". The 460
stroke and 385 engine series number are merely coincidental.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:48:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffry Johnston
Subject: Re: '75 FE360 2V Horse Power?

> ...VIN Number is a "Y", this would translate to a
> 360ci V-8 2bbl 196hp.
> Source - Motor books international Ford Pickup Red book.

That's it! :-)

F15 Y L W40774
133 M F150 6 4 F H4 J
06050 1975 75

I know what all of it means, but the service manual left out the horse
powers and torques. Does it say what rpm?

F-150 -F15
360-2V -Y
Michigan truck plant -L
Feb of '75 -W40,000-59,999
133 inch wheelbase, long bed -133
Wimbledon White -M
Green interior -6
Wide Bed -4
Gasoline -F
Warner T-18 4 speed -F
Ford 3750# T-lok, 4 pinion, 9 inch, 3.25 -H4
Front Axle, Power Steering -J?
GVWRating -06050
Model Year -1975
Shipped to Phoenix -75

Alvin

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:09:11 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #333

Gary,
The motor is a 302 and the person replying to my post said he had a 302
with his and tore 3 of them out.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:50:08 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: It's a York

>Really it is a York compressor used for air conditioning in the 60-70
>and I think in some cars until the 80's so there should be lots of them
>arround. Next time you go to the "Used Automotive Parts Store" (sound
>better than Junk Yard?) Loot for a 60 or 70's F truck with an air
>compressor and grab the compressor, brackets and the pully off the
>crank. Some with the air option came with power steering so you could
>grab that too. I really should have replaced the water pump before
>putting all these extra brackets on cus' they all have to come off to
>replace the pump ;-(

I have this '77 Buick estate wagon I got for free and had delusions of
fixing it and selling it for some truck cash. That is until I found out if I
put spark plugs in it, I'd never get my money out of it! Well I'm striping
the stuff I want out of it and calling the "Used Automotive Parts Store" to
take this junk out of my yard! It has a Frigidair compressor in it. Would
this work the same?
Taking into account what Gary said about oil, what about an oil injector for
the intake? Would help the air tools to boot.
Later!

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:11:37 -0400
From: "Karen and Melissa Lublin"
Subject: 351 "M" ???

Hey all:

I have always been told that the 351M was nothing more than a 351C with
big-block heads. I had a 351 M in a '77 F-150 I was kinda a slug, but
man did that sucker have torque! That little half tonner out work the
3/4 ton Ch#&y I had after it. My 351 M had a Hi volume oil pump and a
RV can too. As much as I hear people knock them and say how bad they
are, I think they are the best V8 that Ford ever made.

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:16:49 -0400
From: "Karen and Melissa Lublin"
Subject: Re: NP 435.

The NP 435 is a 4 speed manual shift transmission made by New Process, a
company who makes standard shift, Automatic transmissions and transfer
cases. This company is owned by Chrysler, but Ford, GM and AMC used
there parts. The NP 435 is a very heavy duty and reliable gearbox.

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:20:30 -0400
From: "Karen and Melissa Lublin"
Subject: More on 351W problems

Well I tested the fuel pump on that 351W I was working on and it was only
getting 1lb of pressure. I went and bought a new pump. I made an
attempt a putting on the truck (86 F-250) But could not get the old pump
out far enough. Is there a trick to putting this pump in? Does the
engine have to be lifted?

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:54:58 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Engine RUST !!

Sleddog wrote:
>
> ----------
> From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 3:37 AM
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: RE: Engine RUST !!
>
> > From: Sleddog
> > Subject: RE: Engine RUST !!
> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:25:09 -0500
>
> >
>
>
> . i always thought they
> would store nicely in a box completely surounded by that spray foam packing
> stuff, but don't really want to try it.
> My regroung came exactly that way...in a cardboard box filled with that great stuff type foam...the expandable stuff...but it wasn't totally surrounded in it..Brian


> sleddog
>
> Broncos really are supposed
> to have brakes aren't they?
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:53:52 -0500 (EST)
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 Transmission

In a message dated 97-11-04 03:27:04 EST, you write:


be able to find one in a salvage yard. >>

Why go to a different trans. Use a New Process 435 like the one it came
with. They should still be readily avail. If you do decide to swap it out,
maybe we can work out a deal on the top end shifter!

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:03:20 -0600
From: Don
Subject: Engine Identification

I am in the process of rebuilding a engine and want to make sure I have
what I think I have. Problem is I can not seem to find a book with the
engine id numbers explained....I have two Haynes Manuals and they say
nothing about the numbers stamped on the heads, block etc.......
anyone know of as book, website etc that has the ID numbers explained....
thanx for any info
donb ficom.net

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:50:06 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re:I found the problem!

>From: "deconblu"
>Subject: I found the problem!
>
>Hi Gang!
> I don't understand! I did my positive confession. I spoke highly of the
>old FE! Why, I just want to know why? How could it do this to me?

Well Deacon, it's your punishment for trying to pose as me on
the 'natics list last week... THAT otta teach You!

>So I pull the valve cover off and laying there like it had
>nothing to do was the exhaust rocker arm with the end of the rocker arm
>shaft still in it.

Wow, there's one I haven't seen before...
I think before You put it back together You need to make sure the
valve isn't stuck shut. I dunno what else would break it unless
it was just a bogus rocker shaft.

>Hey now, I know there's suppose to be a pushrod there keeping
>you safe from sneakers! So I look down the hole... There it is, well half of
>it anyway! Dang nabit! I got to pull this heavy sum bit intake off to find
>the rest of the dang gum pushrod!

You can probably fish it out with a magnet on a stick, but it's
probably best to pull the intake to make sure the lifter isn't
damaged also.
Now's a great time change the cam and lifters!
How about a nice 4-bbl manifold while You're at it. (-:

> So any words of wisdom, tips, pointers, warnings, fingers, grins,
>giggles or belly laughs, lets have em! I'm all beers!

Yeah, wear Your back brace!
My condolences dude...

Hippie motoring,

Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:17:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: My baby's wreck....

Today something happened to my 67 F100 that had no body
damage (key word is "had")....

This morning a woman in a BMW decided she was going to cut in
front of me and jam the brakes. Did some damage to the BMW,
didn't look major but I'd hate to see the frame when its up
on a wrack. Its going to cost her....

My F100's front-right side bumper got bent back 6 inches,
the front-right quarter panel has been pushed back 4 inches
and creased out about 3 inches. Hood cowl is ruined and the
metal between the bumper and the body is toast. Grill has some
damage too.

This lady (I use the term lightly) had the gall to say I
rammed her and that the damage already existed on my truck!
Then she lied to the officer and said she was completely
in my lane when I hit her (only the right side of my truck
had damage and the left side of her car). I'm glad she
tried to lie because the officer knew she was lying and gave
her a ticket for improper lane change.

It gets worse... I don't see how this could be related, its
too dark to get under the truck to see if a tranny cooling
line is busted but the C6 tranny started slipping really
badly on the way home. I'm not looking forward to this
weekend.

I'm really glad I've got pictures of the truck from before
the accident. Also, I've got 2 years of receipts which
prove I'm restoring it (plus the antique tag). Her insurance
company is not going to weasil out of it... I know exactly
how much the NOS parts cost.

Grrrrrrrrr.......

I needed to vent!
Ken

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:17:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?



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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:25:21 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

Ken...SORRY to hear about your truck, hope you have better luck with
insurance company than I did. I had a 84' ranger, blown v-6, 3 grand in
paint, etc. was in featured in Peterson's 4Wheel & Off Road. Had on file
appraised value of $30,000.00...lost it in a fire, they would only give
me $4500.00....fight like hell to get what its worth !!!

Brian

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:27:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 351M oil pressure problems

Forwarded for someone:

I'm suddenly losing oil pressure on my 1977 F-250 4x4 CrewCab with a
>351-M.
>It happens after a warm up of several miles at highway speeds.
>Everything seems
>normal until roughly 40 psi ( at about 2200 rpm ) and then the needle
>suddenly drops
>to around 5 psi ( on a Stewart Warner mechanical gauge ). When I
>restart the engine,
>the pressure is normal again, but the incident repeats after a few
>miles.
> The truck has about 177,000 miles and the engine was rebuilt (so
>I've been told) at 100,000 miles. Shortly after buying it, I replaced
>the oil pump with a Perfect Circle high volume pump.
>It shouldn't be bad after 3 years and 13,000 miles. I flushed the
>engine with Gunk Motor Flush
>(that 's probably why the old pump failed; the crud on it softened and
>blew out at highway
>speeds). I've kept clean oil in the crankcase, so I doubt that the
>intake screen is getting plugged.
>The engine runs smoothly and quietly and has little blowby. The normal
>oil pressure is
>very high( near 80 psi) when cold, and much lower( near 20 psi at idle)
>when hot, but always
>more than 1 psi per 100 rpm. When the original oil pump failed 3 years
>ago, the symptoms
>were similar, except that the pressure immediately began a slow drop
>toward zero after each
>restart.
> Could there be an oil pressure relief valve which is staying open?
>Where is it located and
>is it hard to replace( I hope it's not directly on the pump )?
> My NetScape is shutting down, each time I try to access my email, so
>I won't be able to
>read your reponses in the digest. Instead of mailing me at
>horwitz marshall.edu ,
>could you send mail to hatfield urgrgcc.edu
> or also, hatfield zoomnet.net ?
>That party will relay your answers to me Thanks for your help.
>
>Alan Horwitz
>

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:35:23 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Spicer seal Kit

Hey Ox, deleted your e-mail before I wrote it down. Here's the spicer
spindle bearing seal kit # 706527X (sp seal kit)

Brian

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:52:38 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: It's a York

I took to York up to 120psi and it showed no sign of stopping. I am
going to need to set up some kind of cooling line for the first foot or
so. Think copper will do the trick?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:01:07 -0500 (EST)
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: Decifer Trans

In a message dated 97-11-05 00:53:24 EST, you write:


hooked up to a small block will it handle a 360/390 >>

My 66 F100 has a 352 and is 4 wheel drive. It came from the factory with a
NP 435 trans. They are supposed to be pretty tough!

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:16:25 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Decifer Trans

OldTrux aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-11-05 00:53:24 EST, you write:
>
>
> hooked up to a small block will it handle a 360/390 >>
>
> My 66 F100 has a 352 and is 4 wheel drive. It came from the factory with a
> NP 435 trans. They are supposed to be pretty tough!

I don't mean to start a war here but a factory NP435 in 66'? I could go
with a t-18 maybe but I don't think the the NP435 cases were in
production until the early 70's. I don't have any production dates to
go by so I could be wrong and correct me if you will.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:31:08 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: My baby's wreck....

Been there. Same situation.

Hope all comes out well!

Dana

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:33:09 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

Dave Resch wrote:
>
> >From: abbott
> >Subject: 351 ?"M"?
> >
> >I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory
> >talk. What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland",
> >"Michigan", or "Modified"?
> >Thanks
> >- -Tyler-
> You guys...
>
> I'm on the digest at the office and I go home for the night, figurin' all's
> right w/ the world and day dreamin' about next weekend's automotive
> projects (whatever I can squeeze in between the obligatory garage
> "cleaning" work), and all Heck breaks loose w/ you guys bad-mouthin' my
> very favorite Honkin' Henry motor... Sheeesh!!
>
> According to Tom Monroe in the epic book "How to Rebuild Ford V8 Engines"
> that tells all you could ever want to know about the great 335 series
> (351C/351M/400) and 385 series (429/460) engines, the "M" stands for...
> nothin'
>
> No Michigan, no Modified, no Mojo, no Mo-Betta, or whatever.
>
> Ford used the "M" just to differentiate between the 351C, 351W, and 351M
> engines, all of which share the same displacement, but are different
> engines.
>
> M-block engine (351M/400) blocks were cast at both the Cleveland foundry
> and the Michigan Casting Center, as were the cylinder heads. M-block
> engines share only the heads with their 351C brother, they have different
> blocks, manifolds, cranks, rods, and pistons. There are a handful of small
> parts that will interchange, but the only major components that interchange
> between the 351C and M-blocks are the heads.
>
> The 351M is actually a de-stroked 400, using the same block, heads,
> manifolds, and rods, but a different crank (0.50" shorter stroke) and
> pistons. The 351M does not use the 351W crank, as someone suggested.


All I can say is see page 15, in Ford Performance by Pat Ganahl, S-A
Publishing Co.

This book covers Small block, Big block FE and Cleveland and they say it
uses, and I quote "...Ford engineers 'modified' the 400 by installing
351W crankshaft in the 400 block"

Also the 400 has the same crank journal diameters as the 351w crank. the
351c has smaller ones.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:43:50 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: It's a York

Don said;
>I only ran it up to about 80 psi last night. It hasn't been run for a
>while and just wanted to make sure it ran. I will probably pull it up
>to 120 this afternoon, after I get to some of that wiring.

A normally operating A/C system pumps the high side pressure to 180-200psi.
I don't see any reason you can't pump air to 120, probably no reason to go
any higher. Sounds like a nice set up!

dale c

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:22:59 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Fw: 351 ??M??

> From: Dale and Donna Carmine
> To: Ford Trucks
> Subject: Re: 351 ??M??
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 9:21 PM
>
> >It stands for "Mundane", or "Milktoast"
>
> >"Mostly junk" ;-)
>
> Ouch!!! And just when I was starting to think of you guys as friends!!!
>
> I get better treatment than that from Ch*vy owners!
> I'll just sulk off to the corner and lick my wounds now. :-)
>
> dale c
> '79 351 MODIFIED MODIFIED MODIFIED MODIFIED MODIFIED MODIFIED
> MODIFIED!!!!!!!!!!
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:23:30 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?

Mine came in the mail yesterday. I didn't want to be the first one to
say how cool they are because then everyone would know you like me best! :)
It's up in the rear window of the F350 and "Looking Good"!


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- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 6:53 PM
Subject: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?


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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:37:16 -0500
From: "Karl Simon"
Subject: 203 Part Time Conversion

What sort of work is envolved in one of those $100 Full-Time to Part-Time
conversions of a NP203 transfer case? I understand changing the hubs, what
work is done on the 203 itself? Is anyone using one of these, which one,
and how well does it work? I just bought a 1977 F150 with the 203, 400M and
C6. Any help would be great.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:50:52 -0500
From: Jim Craig
Subject: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber

The steering on my 1977 F-100 Supercab 4X2 is a little twitchy.
The steering wheel does not return to center after being turned
and the front tires wear excessively on the outside. I understand
that the caster&camber on twin I beams is not adjustable, but how
can I fix it?

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:53:12 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffry Johnston
Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?

> Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net wrote:
> Mine came in the mail yesterday. I didn't want to be the first one to
> say how cool they are because then everyone would know you like me best! :)

Ya! Where's mine, danggit? uh... what stickers? 8-)
Alvin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:53:55 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: HEP ME HEP ME?!?!?

k now, here's the deal;

there has been this truck see, a 59 ( I know this is the 61-79 group
here but hang in here) F-250 4x4 that has been for sale for about 2
years now, and I finally stop and take a look at it. I'm look'n at this
thing here, it's complete, a little rust here and a dent there, PERFECT
grill, but needs lots of paint. Look in through dusty windows, no
shifter, not a good sign. I'm look'n it over and the owner comes out
and we start to talking and I pop the hood........? Big block?..... It
a 429 he says, doesn't run he says, needs cam berin's he says, as I spy
the performer intake under the dirty old stock air cleaner(Thunder Jet
429). He got that out of some car a while back and put a C6 behind
her. All the parts is there and he is looking for $1500 obo. Everybody
want's one that runs he says. I'm looking at the "obo" and thinking
what's it gona take to put in a new cam and bearings?

HEP ME, DO I DOOOD IT?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:54:20 -0700
From: mark heims
Subject: Re: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas?

> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:51:05 +0000
> From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
> Subject: Re: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas?
>
> > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:00:42 -0600
> > From: Nathan Lane
> > Subject: '78 E250 not starting after towing ideas?
>
> > can't look at tag from out of state). I tried and tried to start
> > it...it just wouldn't catch but would fire and stumble for a few
> > seconds then die. I'm heading back to Montana and I'd like to get it
> > running. Could it be that it is a hill facing UPhill whereas before
> > it was on level ground?
>
> What I do is spray Hot shot in the carb with air cleaner off and if
> it trys to start I make sure I have plenty of battery and fuel in the
> tank, check the hoses to make sure there are no leaks. Found one in
> the inlet side of the fuel pump after I put on a new fuel pump and it
> still didn't work, Duuuuuuh! Couldn't work cuz is was sucking air
> through the break in the inlet hose!
>
Just a couple more suggestions, check the plugs and fuel filter. How
much did you crank it last time and how long has the van been sitting?
The gas may be old and could be causing some problems. With the cold
weather, you may have washed the cylinders with gas and thined out the
oil. A friend of mine who drives a ch*vy did this and drained about 2
galons of oil/gas mix out of his oil pan! Check your oil level, if it's
high this may have happened to you. The cold up here is hard on vehicles
(I'm in Great Falls Montana), I've also heard of having to squirt a
litle oil in the cylinders to restore compression in the cold (I've seen
it work!) How soon are you heading up to get the van? The weather is
supposed to get cold this weekend, it was in the 60's today. I was in
Butte last weekend on my way elk hunting. Good luck.

Mark
78 F150 4x4

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:15:28 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Twin I Beam Caster&Camber

>The steering on my 1977 F-100 Supercab 4X2 is a little twitchy.
>The steering wheel does not return to center after being turned
>and the front tires wear excessively on the outside. I understand
>that the caster&camber on twin I beams is not adjustable, but how
>can I fix it?

Sounds to me like toe in. Just bring it to your local Firestone,
Goodyear or Big "O" and have them check it. You could bring it to Pep Boys
but then you'll need to replace the front end after they screw it up! Don't
ever let Pep Boys work on your truck! When caster & or camber are out it's
normaly the coils are bad. Then you would have inner wear on your tires.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:22:31 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of the window stickers?

>> Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net wrote:
>> Mine came in the mail yesterday. I didn't want to be the first one to
>> say how cool they are because then everyone would know you like me best!
:)
>
>Ya! Where's mine, danggit? uh... what stickers? 8-)
>Alvin

AAALVINNN! Hehehe, sorry Dave!

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:32:37 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?

You tell em Dana!
Dave Resch must think we're stupid. Nothing starts with an "N" so why
would "M" stand for nothing! Gez, some people think they can say anything!
:]


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- -----Original Message-----
From: danadeb pacbell.net
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: 351 ?"M"?


>Dave Resch wrote:
>>
>> >From: abbott
>> >Subject: 351 ?"M"?
>> >
>> >I want to clear this up once for all, I've heard too much contadictory
>> >talk. What does the "M" in 351"M" stand for, plane "M", "Midland",
>> >"Michigan", or "Modified"?
>> >Thanks
>> >- -Tyler-
>> You guys...
>>
>> I'm on the digest at the office and I go home for the night, figurin'
all's
>> right w/ the world and day dreamin' about next weekend's automotive
>> projects (whatever I can squeeze in between the obligatory garage
>> "cleaning" work), and all Heck breaks loose w/ you guys bad-mouthin' my
>> very favorite Honkin' Henry motor... Sheeesh!!
>>
>> According to Tom Monroe in the epic book "How to Rebuild Ford V8 Engines"
>> that tells all you could ever want to know about the great 335 series
>> (351C/351M/400) and 385 series (429/460) engines, the "M" stands for...
>> nothin'
>>
>> No Michigan, no Modified, no Mojo, no Mo-Betta, or whatever.
>>
>> Ford used the "M" just to differentiate between the 351C, 351W, and 351M
>> engines, all of which share the same displacement, but are different
>> engines.
>>
>> M-block engine (351M/400) blocks were cast at both the Cleveland foundry
....


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