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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, October 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 320



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In this issue:

RE: Whazzido light. [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: What did I just buy? ["Brett McCoy" ]
Re: Re:What did I just buy? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires ["deconblu" ]
Re: Re:What did I just buy? ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:19:29 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: Whazzido light.

Thanks to all those who responded to my inquiry about the red light
in the corner of my dash.
It is indeed the idiot light for the brake pressure balance switch.
I'm familiar with this setup from working on galaxies and stuff,
but didn't realize my truck had one, since I've never seen the
block with the shuttle switch anywhere on my truck.
Well, after all of Your responses I went out and looked and sure
enough, it was there. Hidden in the frame rail and covered with
about 5 lbs of mud... Imagine that!

Glad to know what it does.
Now I can remove it and feel good about it...

Happy motoring,


Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:10:11 -0600
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Re: What did I just buy?

decon wrote:

>First look was cool, no dents and all the doors worked (utility bed) so
popped the hood and there
>was a 360 FE C6. OK, I remember what Ken said "Mileage of a 390 with less
>power" but that's still OK. It needs some head work at the very least
valve
>seals and gaskets (I hate oil leaks! Motor must look good) runs rough but
it
>shifts smooth no slippage or noise that I noticed. So I go look under the
>bed to see the leaf springs and Holy Mary Mother of God there's two sets
of
>leaf springs on each side. I look at the ID tag on the drivers door and it
>says it's a F372 1976 and the VIN # F37YR. So gang what is an F372? I gave
>him a down of $100 and told him I'll be back tomorrow. I didn't tell him I
>needed to check with you guys. It felt a little juvenile! :) TIA!
>Later!

Sounds WAY COOL to me!! Could be the second set of leafs is just an add on
by the shop that was using it. I don't remember any factory setup like
this, but I suppose there may have been some kind of utility package from
the factory to cover this? If the 360 is not blowing big clouds of smoke
then it could be you would just need a complete tune up. Wire, plugs, cap,
rotor ect. could go a long way in smoothing out the engine. A friend of
mine had a couple of 360 - 390 engines over the years and one thing he
always said was that they were great engines with a really nasty intake,
mostly because of the heat and weight. He had good success with putting a
good sized carb spacer on top of the manifold to keep the gas in the carb
cooler. You may want to do that if you don't want to pop for a new intake.
One other idea, someone please let me know if I am way off base with this
one, but I think if you can find an old crown vic in a salvage yard with
the police interceptor engine you could get the aluminum intake off that
and bolt it right on. Should make more power especially on the top end and
get rid of some weight. Go for it and keep us posted!!

- -B

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:45 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Re:What did I just buy?

> From Steve Delanty
>> Check with us??? Have You checked with Your wife yet?!! She's the one
>> You've got to deal with!! Now She's gotta park in the street so You
>> can have the driveway for Yer new toy...
>> Is it big enough for You to sleep in? (-:

> Steve, your wisdom is beyond your years!

Naw, I've just been there enough times to know how the game works... )-:

>The truck was well taken care of on the outside but you could tell it lacked
>proper maintenance. I can do overhauls if needed (sheet I built jet engines
>for 20 years. piston engines are a piece of cake)

Gee, I would think a jet engine would have less moving parts..
Sounds simpler to me... (-;

>once again IMHO some minor
>head work is all it needed. OOPS, it needs tires!!!

TIRES?!! Shees, tyres are the least of worries with a used vehicle..
Hell, pick'n'pull is having a 1/2 price sale this weekend. Go find
a used set of tires to get it thru it's first year!

>Well she put an end to
>that foolishness! Rebuild an engine or trans, that's OK. But tires she just
>won't stand for.

It sounds like a decent deal for a heavy truck that runs. It's got
an FE with a C6 which is a GOOD (reliable) thing IMHO. How much could
You make with the truck in the first year? Tires! hmmphh... Tires aren't
but a months new car payment. Only gotta haul a couple pallets of stuff
to pay for tires! If You buy the thing for $1200 and put another $1K into
it, You've got a (hopefully) decent truck for $2200. Where I come from
(No. CA.) *any* vehicle that runs reliably is probably worth nearlythat.
A truck that can actually haul stuff reliably is worth more..
Hell, I've got about $3600 into my F100, and the body and paint look
like hell. But it's got a good, reliable drive train, and I would trust it
to drive cross country on a moments notice...
If You think the rest of the truck is sound, don't let tires scare You!

> I don't want to offend our female members because I don't see this as a
>woman thing. The best work partner I've had was a woman, the worst was a
>man! This is a Teddi thing! So I'll shut-up while I'm still ahead.

Yes, I've met too many women that were exceptionally intelligent/qualified
and too many men who were useless/incompetent dorks with this type of stuff
to ever consider it a male/female thing.
I think it's just a simple fact of life that whichever sex You are, and
whatever it is You want, Your spouse *ain't gonna completely agree*.. )-:

Tell Teddi that Steve says it's O.K.... You'll haul a few extra pallets
to pay for the tires! If You don't, You can't go to the Hog Farm next
Year!

It sounds like a good deal to me, tires or not. 'Course, I ain't seen
the truck myself... If I had I might have bought it!!
If You buy a new set of tires for $600, You've still got a 1 ton+
truck for $1800! If You can find a used set of (wrecking yard) tyres
for
year. Have You priced NEW vehicles lately?? The first months payment
buys the tires.. The first years registration buys the beers!
How many pallets a month can You move, and at what $$ each??

I wish the truck was near here, I'd go look at it myself!


Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:51 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires

Deacon blues writes:
>I started looking up what you were talking about and found ignorance is bliss!
>(: Oh yea, thanks for the recommendation of the splitfires. I'm getting 30
>miles more to the gallon of gas and it blows Z1's off like their standing
>still! (:

Really? I was gonna use splitfires, but I heard they'd make so much HP
that I'd blow my FE390 crank out the bottom of the block!
Do You run 4-bolt mains with Your splitfires? I could use the extra
mileage, but don't wanna have to stop and pickup my crank after
every stoplight. (-:

Inquiring minds wanna know...



Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:54 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance

>How's everyone today????

OTAY!!

>
> I have a '77 F150 w/ a 400. The distributor has the dual vacuum
>advance. I don't have any of the Spark Delay Valves or the any of
>the Ported Vacuum Switches. I know the vacuum sources from the
>intake and carb. Now, correct me if I am wrong, the distributor
>receives vacuum from the carb until the coolant temp. reaches about
>235 deg. F. Then, the PVS's switch vaccum from the carb side to
>intake side and the distributor at the intake port receives vacuum,
>therefore retarding the timing a bit to reduce detonation.


The purpose of the 235 deg switch is to connect the dist to full
manifold vacuum when hot. This increases the idle RPM when above
235 deg to get the fan and water pump moving a little faster.
It's purpose is to keep the motor from overheating at idle speeds...
once the motor cools below 235F it recieves ported vacuum again and
slows down a bit. It's not a detonation thing, but an idle cooling
strategy...


Steve Delanty

Measure it with a micrometer,
mark it with chalk,
cut it with an axe...

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:28:37 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance/splitfires

From Steve
> Really? I was gonna use splitfires, but I heard they'd make so much HP
> that I'd blow my FE390 crank out the bottom of the block!
> Do You run 4-bolt mains with Your splitfires? I could use the extra
> mileage, but don't wanna have to stop and pickup my crank after
> every stoplight. (-:

I just run the regular wires. I heard those 4 bolt mains are pretty good
for racing! I on the other just drive around looking at trucks for no
particular reason!
I heard the FE390 blow real big, the 360's blow too, just not as big!
Hey, did you see on the ford truck homepage. It says we're the best source
for technical information. Hey, it makes me proud to do my part! ;}

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:35:04 -0800
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Re:What did I just buy?

From Steve
> Gee, I would think a jet engine would have less moving parts..
> Sounds simpler to me... (-;

Not when GE builds them. All parts become moving parts. They have a pretty
good safety record. Chances are you'll only see one failure in your life
time! My motto is CF6 good to the last drop!

> TIRES?!! Shees, tyres are the least of worries with a used vehicle..
> Hell, pick'n'pull is having a 1/2 price sale this weekend. Go find
> a used set of tires to get it thru it's first year!

OK, the tide has turned. I may have gotten my way a long time ago but I
wouldn't loosen my grip to find out! :) If it was the tires, I don't think
it would have been a big thing. When people know their reason for doing
something has no merit, they tend to argue over something that could be real
if that's what they had a problem with. It doesn't matter what is given to
solve it, it isn't offering a solution to the stupid thing their really
bitching about.
I don't fare well in these type of arguments. People think I'm calling
them a liar when I know their lying and say this is the stupidest argument
I've had, since the last time we argued!

> Tell Teddi that Steve says it's O.K.... You'll haul a few extra pallets
> to pay for the tires! If You don't, You can't go to the Hog Farm next
> Year!

Suppose something happens! She'll be mad when I leave, knowing I lied to
her. I love her and rather slap her with the truth than prod her with a lie!
As it is she won't see me for a couple days. By then the swelling should
have gone down enough she'll be able to open one of her eyes!

It's a joke. Fighting with your spouse is a lose/lose situation. The only
excusable violence in a marital dispute is how the Officers put you in the
backseat, when you've gotten stupid, or what you do to a person that has you
put in the backseat when you haven't gotten stupid!
I can't say I'm getting it. After all I thought I had it already. Just
that we talked it out, ugly but talked it out.
No, I still don't know what the hell it was all about! IMO it was one of
those who's in charge here, power things. I have a hard enough time keeping
myself in line without being a Boss! It's a team effort or it's not at all!
No matter what she may say, I know sometimes I'm right and sometimes I'm
wrong. If I'm wrong I admit it quickly. It's bad enough to be wrong, why add
fool on top of it! I if was always right, why would that be a bad thing? :)
When it's in my driveway I'll post it.
Until then I would like to know a little more about payloads. What 1/2,
3/4 and 1 ton refer to. I remember it was discussed some time back but don't
remember a conclusion. Also F100 EXXX ... What ever. It looks to me like
categories based on characteristics when possible, but can also be where it
fell if it doesn't match any category.
Thank you Gang! I was laughing by noon with the come backs.
Later!


Deacon Blues deconblu ....


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