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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 306



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In this issue:

Re: Shopping List ??/Timing gears ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: heater ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
OffTopic: foggy window [Gulpgulp aol.com]
Re: IMHO ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Shop Manuals [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: t98 trans ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
78 F-150 Installing Power Windows and Locks ["Bear"
Re: Shop Manuals [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: Vacuum Questions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Plugs and Carbs [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: Master Cylinder ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
FE engine codes [STCLASSICS aol.com]
Re: Various Trans Info ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Plugs and Carbs ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Brake question/Non truck [shoman p3.net]
Re: Shop Manuals ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Gr]
Re: Shop Manuals [Keith Srb ]
Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 [Keith Srb
Re: CDI Igintion Unit and Converting to Dura Spark ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: CDI Igintion Unit and Converting to Dura Spark [Keith Srb
'64 Spring Re-do Q's [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Plugs and Carbs [John MacNamara ]
Re: Brake question/Non truck ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 [mcat epix.net]
Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360 ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289 [john brawley ]
offy intake [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:07:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Shopping List ??/Timing gears

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: Shopping List ??/Timing gears
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:58:15 -0700

> Some brake noise would cut the screaming noise from the passengers!
> :-)

No body will ride with me for some reason so that's not a problem.
Must be all those off road experiences :-)

> What advantage is there to a gear drive over a chain. In earlier
> discussions wasn't found there was only one gear drive on the market
> and it needed some modifying to fit? Sorry my memory isn't what it
> use to be. That is, I don't think it is, I can't remember! :-]

Gear drives wear much less and can't stretch (from wear) so the
timing stays very accurate over a long period of useage but they are
noisier no matter how you grind the teeth so it's a consideration. I
was just looking in the Jegs catalog and noticed the description for
most of them actually stated "machined for more noise" ???
Must be racers want to please the crowd :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:13:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: heater

> From: "George Shepherd"
> Subject: Re: heater
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:05:42 -0500

> Sounds like you have water getting in the plenum, but no heater core
> leak. If you have a/c and the drain is plugged water can build up.
> If no a/c the plenum is getting water from the outside.

That's really true. My 86 cougar got plugged up and water ran inside
all over the place and steamed up the windows as well as I recall.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:14:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gulpgulp aol.com
Subject: OffTopic: foggy window

The front windshield of a friend's motor-home has developed a foggy/milky
condition (no bubbles) on the bottom portion; it's flat-panel safety glass
and he's been told that it might be fixed using a heat gun but doesn't have
any details as to how to proceed and doesn't want to make it any worse.
Any help/cautions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob B.
65 Econo PU

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:18:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: IMHO

> From: "George Shepherd"
> Subject: Re: IMHO
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:49:56 -0500

> OK, I'll bite, what is "IMNSHO"

It's something us arrogant $%#$# #$% use to tick people off or us
normal types use to be funny: "In My Not So Humble Opinion" or make
a valid, unarguable point that (we believe) even God can't argue with
:-)


Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

I checked the web site for Faxon and could not find the correct area to find
Ford Manuals, or a list ?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:31:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: t98 trans

> From: "JAMES MERLO"
> Subject: Re: t98 trans
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:44:56 -0500

> will bolt on up. Does this mean that the bolt holes on all ford
> transmissions and the trans input shaft is the same diameter and
> length on all fords and has the same splines? It sounds too easy.
> I am obviously missing something in your messages, I need more.

Can't say what causes what but engine families have "A" transmission
flange which also classifies them as big or small block. Years ago
the FE's had a round looking flange which is different from the
current wave. The current small blocks including the 260, 289, 302,
351w and 351C have one flange, shorter and nearly as wide as the big
blocks and the big blocks have a tall and wide flange and include the
351M/400, 429/460/330 (I think) and all three classes are different
from each other in that respect but the thing that makes the input
shaft work or not is the clutch plate spline and pilot bearing whicb
both can be changed to suit or the torque converter which can also be
matched up to suit so the flange is the real culprit and the bell
housing has to match the flange on the engine, it's as simple as
that.

You may, in some cases have to modify the tranny crossmember or mount
and the drive shaft length but quite often this isn't even necessary
:-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:33:17 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: 78 F-150 Installing Power Windows and Locks

I would like to install power windows and/or locks in my 78 F-150 XLT can I
I get the insides of a door from another year of a pickup and install them
in mine without much trouble or is there an after market kit that works
well?
Just asking the experts... :)

Shane

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:50:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

I checked the web site for Faxon and could not find the correct area to find
Ford Manuals, or a list ?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:01:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Vacuum Questions

> From: SAR HOG
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:09:21 EDT
> Subject: Vacuum Questions

> the full port. This is causing problems with my vacuum advance. My
> timing is set to 6 deg BTDC with the vac advance off, which equates
> to about 18 deg BTDC with the vac advance connected to the timed
> port of the carb. Isn't this too much advance too soon? The truck
> runs awful til I get about 4000 rpm, then it runs pretty good.
> Thanks for any help.

We've been arguing this on the bronco list for some time and still
haven't really proven anything but the timed port should be giving
you zero at a normal idle of 5-600 rpm so your 800 rpm idle is
apparently putting the throttle plate past the transition port in the
venturi so you are beginning to see some manifold vacuum.

Describe your part throttle response for us or more precisely define
what you mean by operating poorly up to 4k rpm?

At idle you have a lean mixture which requires lots of advance so 18
isn't out of line at all. My engine idles at 42 degrees advance
using manifold vac but drops to 8 degrees on hard take offs due to 8
degree initial and zero manifold vac at that point. The timed port
works a little different and may not back off as much or may even
increase depending on where the port actually takes it's vacuum.
(they vary). Just as a test try using manifold vac and see how it
operates. You will probably have to adjust the idle speed down some
to compensate since it will run better with more advance probably.


Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:05:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

- -> They have them for 302's? Do they have a bolt pattern so that I can
- -> use my Q-Jet on it? My wife is going to be so happy that I was wrong
- -> and she was right!

Deacon, Offy not only makes more than one spreadbore manifold for the
302, they also make one that holds *two* Quadrajets on it.

Not as wacky an idea as you'd expect. The small primaries ought to
work just fine and the secondary setup is variable venturi so the
massive CFM overkill isn't a problem.


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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:17:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder

> From: DBrents105 aol.com
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Master Cylinder

> not bother with the larger MC as the original one is quite adequate
> to do a good job and changing the fittings is sometimes more

Keep in mind that the physics of the thing is more travel (smaller
pistion) = less pedal pressure and less travel (larger piston) = more
pedal pressure since you lose some of the mechanical advantage of the
smaller piston in the master cylinder. I once put a large truck,
single resivoir MC on a 67 PU with 48 GMC bus axle in the rear with
dual wheel cylinders because I thought the larger cylinders would
need more pedal but the large truck brakes were so well fitted and
rigid that I wound up with almost no pedal movement and rock hard
pressure and stil had to press pretty hard to stop due to the larger
piston in the master cylinder.

Because of the excessive pedal movement on my bronco I am tempted to
try it again but I also have a lot of pressure required to stop it
with the larger tires so I'm going to attempt to perfect the fit and
finish of all the related parts and get the air out of it before I
make any rash decisions like that :-)

I am considering using Dana 44 rotors and calipers on the rear tho
and will be taking my spare apart to see if it's doable with some
kind of adapter. Anybody try this yet? My goal is to have just one
set of spare parts lying around to fix all 4 wheels. I've even
considered using a dana 44 rear axle but don't want to lose the 9"
strength so I guess I'll be happy if the brake thing works out. I
know about the Lincolin thing but the dana idea is more appealing to
me if it can be done :-) The other option is to go with Curri 9"
front end and make them all the same but that's big bucks :-( Dana
60's sound better all the time :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: STCLASSICS aol.com
Subject: FE engine codes

Jerry & Lisa,
That is a characteristic of some FE's . check the
fifth digit of the VIN number. this is the engine code. FE codes are as
follows; 352 4V= X,390 2V=Y, 390 2V=H, 390 4V=Z, 390 4V-Police=P, 427 8V=R,
428 4V=R, also look for the split between the intake manifold and the heads
under the valve covers,unique to the FE engines Kenny / Street Classics
Co.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:39:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Various Trans Info

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:49:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: Various Trans Info

> the 351C has it's own pattern except for *a few* 400's? How
> inconveniant... Interesting, I'll update my memory banks. (-:

351C uses the modern small block pattern, same as 302 etc..

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:44:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:49:34 -0700
> Subject: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

> Yes, I agree very much with this. The stock cork gaskets can creep
> out of place either during installation or afterwards.
> The method marko describes here is the best way to go.

I've had good luck with cork gaskets and brown aircraft sealer but
it's harder to clean off later when you take it apart again. I just
question the security of 1/4" of RTV with no support, that's pretty
thick?

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:03:02 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:14:46 -0700

> They have them for 302's? Do they have a bolt pattern so that I
> can use
> my Q-Jet on it? My wife is going to be so happy that I was wrong and

The Holley 4175/65, ThermoQuad and Rochester all have the same bolt
pattern AFAIK which is what's so discusting about Ford's decision to
be different :-( There is a distinction in the venturi sizes though
so matching the intake manifold may require an adapter from on to the
other. The Holley's have the smallest secondaries AFAIK so are on
the bottom of my list :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:06:07 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

> From: Tom Hogan
> Subject: RE: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:39:33 -0700

> clean hands to do this. I'm not sure how you get your hands clean
> enough to do this. 3. Apply the sealant as described below. 4.

Wipe them on your pants, isn't that what every body does?

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:10:08 -0700
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Brake question/Non truck

Anybody figure this out????I have a 91 Escort GT w 4 wheel disc well
we changed the booster/master cyl do to a low braking effort(pedal went
to the floor) WEll after changing both items and bleeding the brakes
TWICE just to be safe the dam pedal still goes to the floor with
little stopping power????ANYBODY?
joe

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:45:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

> From: GMPACHECO aol.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

> I checked the web site for Faxon and could not find the correct area
> to find Ford Manuals, or a list ? +-------------- Ford Truck

I called the number and let them look it up for me :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 11:06: 4 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

- --- Begin Included Message ---

I've had good luck with cork gaskets and brown aircraft sealer but
it's harder to clean off later when you take it apart again. I just
question the security of 1/4" of RTV with no support, that's pretty
thick?
- --- End Included Message ---

I've always just put a 1/4" bead of blue or copper RTV on and immediately
placed the intake on. I make sure to put an extra spot of RTV on both sides
of the intake gasket at the ends. I don't even wait any longer than it takes
me to put the carb back on and hook everything back up, to crank it. I
haven't had one leak yet. Never use the cork gasket, because they have
more of a tendency to work out than silicone. I understand that
manufacturers don't even use them anymore.

Pat
pharrell bae.uga.edu

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:47:00 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

At 10:45 AM 10/22/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> From: GMPACHECO aol.com
>> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: Shop Manuals
>
>> I checked the web site for Faxon and could not find the correct area
>> to find Ford Manuals, or a list ? +-------------- Ford Truck
>
>I called the number and let them look it up for me :-)
>
>Michigan roads, Broncos and
>Kidney belts, What a team!
>
>-- Gary --
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Gary,

I called Faxon yesterday, about Vol 2 for my 74, and they told me that they
do not sell directly to people, they to sell to only to business. Can you
post their phone number again so I can see if I called the right company?
Thanks!

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:01:05 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

"What about using the cork gaskets and some Hi-Tack gasket adhesive," he
said while reaching for hist flame suit!



At 06:49 PM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Marko in Vancouver wrote:
>
>>Two things on the engine build:
>>
>>1. Intake Manifold Gasket. You know the two cork things you are supposed
>>to use at the front annd back? Throw them away. Clean the surfaces
>>THOROUGHLY!! and instead lay a 1/4" bead of that blue stuff on , making it a
>>bit thicker on the corners. Let this bead cure for close to an hour (so
>>it's fairly hard on top) then lay a tiny (1/8") bead on top of it, then drop
>>the manifold on carefully. If you do this right your I.M. will not leak.
>>If you use the cork chances are it will.
>
> Yes, I agree very much with this. The stock cork gaskets can creep
> out of place either during installation or afterwards.
> The method marko describes here is the best way to go.
> The part about the surfaces being THOROUGHLY clean ain't no joke.
> Use brake clean, alcohol, whatever, to clean the sealing surfaces.
> If there's ANY oily residue left, it's not ready yet.
> Removing an FE intake AGAIN to correct an oil leak (or any other reason)
> ain't no fun...
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
> "There are 2 kinds of cars. Fords and can't affords..."

> -Edward Towe
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:58:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: CDI Igintion Unit and Converting to Dura Spark

> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:30:40 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Re: CDI Igintion Unit and Converting to Dura Spark

> >> am wondering if I can remove the CDI Igintion Unit and toss it
> >> then?
> >
> >What ignition are you putting in?
> >
>
> Dura Spark.

What CDI? 74 was the first year for Ford electronic ignition. It's
not really CDI, it's more of a transistorized points system. In 76
they made some serious changes and called it Dura Spark II which is
what most of us are using now and easiest to find in the yards I
would guess. It needs a distributor, coil and module all matched to
work together and can be retrofitted to any engine in the 302 family,
335 series or 385 series. There may have been some FE's equipped
with it but not sure? FE's kind of went away about the same time as
I recall.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:09:51 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: CDI Igintion Unit and Converting to Dura Spark

I couldn't find a barnd name on the box. What little I know it is this.
There is a "black box" attached to the fender. Some wires go from black
box to the coil. I think, if memory is working, there are also some wires
going to the distributor, not sure though, and i don't have the truck at
work today so I can't go look. I do know that it is an aftermarket piece
the prvious owner put on the truck.


At 06:49 PM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I am going to convert my 74 F250 over to electronic iginiton. I am
>>wondering if I can remove the CDI Igintion Unit and toss it then?
>>
>>
>>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>
> Err, what CDI do You have? The duraspark distributor may drive
> it directly. It does on an MSD6...
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
> "There are 2 kinds of cars. Fords and can't affords..."

> -Edward Towe
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:08:43 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: '64 Spring Re-do Q's

My '64 F-100 1/2 ton CrewCab is in dire
need of having the springs re-arced. I plan on
taking it in to have it done. The bushings are
shot, allowing considerable shift horizontally
during turns! Very exciting!

The springs are flattened out due to a 3/4 ton
camper being on there for years. There is an
old style overload spring added on there, now
flattened out.

Since I don't plan on putting a camper on there,
Does anyone out there have any interest in a
set of used old style overload springs?

I want to eventually get to stock ride height with
standard size radial tires. As it is now, there is
soooo much slop in the suspension, radials are
VERY dangerous.

Any other things I should have looked at while
it's at the spring shop?

Any recommendations on a spring shop in the
Sacramento, CA area?

- - Jeff

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:13:01 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289

> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:15:06 -0700
> From: john brawley
> Subject: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289

> I understand that ford made a bellhousing for a toploader 4 speed
> that would match to either a 5 or 6 bolt 289 engine. I need to
> verify years and models of Ford trucks this bellhousing was used on.

Somebody splain to me about the 5 bolt/6 bolt thing?? I thought
289's were made on the same block as the 302 or the 302 was a take
off of the 289 including the tranny flange?

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:00:00 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

deconblu wrote:

> From: Dave Williams
> > That was an Offenhauser Dual Port. They're fine street manifolds -
> >I've run them on 351C-4Vs and SBCs. The stock 351C manifold (and the
> >FE) is a pretty good part to start with, so you won't see much if any
> >difference in power, unlike the 289/302. Part throttle fuel economy and
> >throttle response is impressive, though.
>
> They have them for 302's? Do they have a bolt pattern so that I can use my
> Q-Jet on it?



> *****Yes, $202 at Paw, P/N: OFF-6010-DP****

> My wife is going to be so happy that I was wrong and she was
> right!
>
> Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:30:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Brake question/Non truck

> From: shoman p3.net
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:10:08 -0700
> Subject: Brake question/Non truck

> brakes TWICE just to be safe the dam pedal still goes to the floor
> with little stopping power????ANYBODY? joe +-------------- Ford

I put one of the pins in cross threaded on a Tempo and it had NO
BRAKES when I backed out of the garage. I pumped and pumped thinking
it was the pistons being pushed back but to no avail. Pulled back
in cuz I suspected that pin and corrected the problem and had
rock hard brakes :-) 'Swat happens when you're old and blind and
in a hurry :-(

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 12:31:02 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

I agree with Gary about the aircraft sealer, but I go one step
more. Take a prick punch and dimple the ends of the block where the cork
goes. Glue the cork with aircraft sealer and let it set, then use RTV in
the corners and set the manifold. I`ve used this method for years and
never had the cork squeeze out or leak. When you take the manifold off you
do have to scrape and wire brush the cork off. Hope this helps
Garry
- --- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:44:14 +0000 "Gary, 78 BBB"
wrote:

>> From: sdelanty sonic.net
>> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:49:34 -0700
>> Subject: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360
>
>> Yes, I agree very much with this. The stock cork gaskets can creep
>> out of place either during installation or afterwards.
>> The method marko describes here is the best way to go.
>
>I've had good luck with cork gaskets and brown aircraft sealer but
>it's harder to clean off later when you take it apart again. I just
>question the security of 1/4" of RTV with no support, that's pretty
>thick?
>
>Michigan roads, Broncos and
>Kidney belts, What a team!
>
>-- Gary --
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 10/22/97 Time: 12:31:02 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:25:16 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

> From: mcat epix.net
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 12:31:02 PDT
> Subject: Re: FE intake sealing. was Re: Header for a 360

> more. Take a prick punch and dimple the ends of the block where the
> cork goes. Glue the cork with aircraft sealer and let it set, then
> use RTV in the corners and set the manifold. I`ve used this method

Don't know about the prick punch thing but the black RTV in the
corners was recommended in a text book I had in school and I've found
it seems to work very well. Just a dab in each corner where the two
gaskets meet was their recommnedation :-)

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:31:07 -0700
From: john brawley
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:15:06 -0700
> > From: john brawley
> > Subject: 5 and 6 bolt bellhousing for 289
>
> > I understand that ford made a bellhousing for a toploader 4 speed
> > that would match to either a 5 or 6 bolt 289 engine. I need to
> > verify years and models of Ford trucks this bellhousing was used on.
>
> Somebody splain to me about the 5 bolt/6 bolt thing?? I thought
> 289's were made on the same block as the 302 or the 302 was a take
> off of the 289 including the tranny flange?
>
> Michigan roads, Broncos and
> Kidney belts, What a team!....

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