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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 295



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In this issue:

Vibratons? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
vacuum lines ?? ["Geoffrey L. Horne" ]
Re: Plugs and Carbs--Holly Mods ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re Speedometer [Tom Hogan ]
69 460 good choice [Stuart Varner ]
Re: Headlight problem. [Jason Eaton ]
Starter Run-on Q '64 [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: Re Speedometer [Keith Srb ]
Re: Starter Run-on Q '64 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Re Speedometer ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Ken's responses to Alt.. [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: Shopping List ?? ["Dave Resch"]
RE: Plugs and Carbs [Sleddog ]
RE: Shopping List ?? [Sleddog ]
parking lights 67 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 69 460 good choice [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 79 F250 4x4 ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: IMHO ["deconblu" ]
Increasing payload ["deconblu" ]
Re: 69 460 good choice [SARHOG aol.com]
Head lights fixed. ["John Peck" ]
Re: Increasing payload [Don Grossman ]

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:15:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Vibratons?

I've got a new one. On normal Michigan roads I can feel nothing at
any speed but on new, smooth pavement I get a vibration around 65
and up that feels like a u joint but my whole heinny is telling me
it's not. Just something a little different so I'm thinking cupped
tires (which I know I have), bent or out of balance drive shaft,
pinion bearing, xfer case output shaft bearing, out of balance clutch
assy.. I know I have most of these problems but it seems to be
getting worse since I started running 70-75 on the Eway.

Think I'm going to look into a drive shaft sling real soon :-) Going
to take a quick peek at the u joints tonight but don't think I'll
find anything wrong there.


Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:44:02 -0500
From: "Geoffrey L. Horne"
Subject: vacuum lines ??

Thanks to all for brake rebuild comments --- now for the confession ----

I rebuilt my carb. yesterday , due to unexpected PUDDLE of fuel on manifold
and I labeled my vacuum lines with masking tape --

IT FELL OFF !! ( due to oil residue I suppose) --- I NEED some help
getting them back where they belong -- anybody got vacuum diagram that
will work for 1974 Bronco -or- basic info on what must be hooked up. I can
receive fax or email attachment or will give snail mail address for copies
if needed.

Thanks ---- Geoff and his big blue garage decoration(temporary)

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:48:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs--Holly Mods

> From: "woody"
> Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs--Holly Mods
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:46:23 -0600

> jets, and O-rings to do the tuning. Does it work--hope to know by
> month's end or whenever I get time to install it. (Emissions folks
> didn't like this one because it doesn't offer any feedback
> mechanism, i.e. an oxygen sensor--a module is available for this at

Tom Cloud at bigbroncos has the simple projection on his lightning
351w build in an 82 bronco and he likes it. I'm sure he'd love to
fill you in on it if you care to ask?

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:00:12 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re Speedometer

They should be available from any speed shop or check out 4x4now.com
suppliers page at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x4now.com/4wsupply.htm
look under the 'electrical' section.



Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:50:36 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: Re Speedometer

So where do I get "Autometer Gauges" that seems like a great idea! Am
I
correct in assuming that this is an after market unit?
- - -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hogan
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:11 PM
Subject: Re Speedometer



>If your going to change the cluster anyway how about a full set (ALL of
>them) of Autometer guages with a tach set in an aluminum insert in the
>original location ............ ;o)
>

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:38:27 -0700
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: 69 460 good choice

If you like lots of power I recomend the 460....they give gobbs of
grins per few miles per gallon!!!!! There are companies that offer
engine mounts for 460's into older trucks with no cutting etc. I think
obsolete ford parts in Oklahomie offers them!
Stu

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:32:55 -0700
From: Jason Eaton
Subject: Re: Headlight problem.

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:
>
> >A few months ago I picked up my first truck, a 69 F100 360. I've done real
> >well in cleaning up the engine and making it run well. I have a few
> >problems to iron out but the biggest headache is I can't drive it at
> >night. All lights go out for about 5-10 seconds intermittently. A real
> >pain in you know what. I've checked all connections and am trying to find
> >any common grounds but no luck. My Chiltons manual has no schematics and
> >Haynes has no listings. If I had a schematic I could probably find it. I
> >DO NOT want to unwrap wire bundles until I know what I am looking for. If
> >anyone can help me I know this place can.
> >
> >Appreciate any response.
> >

I had the same problem with my 64. It turned out to be a bad dimmer
switch.
Replaced it everything was fine. The lights would come back on if you
hit
high beams, but then go off again. You would then hit the switch again.

Good luck.

- --
Jason Eaton, FCI Communications ( Java Development )
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fcicom.com jeaton fcicom.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:03:28 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Starter Run-on Q '64

Hey -

Could this be what's causing my starter to run-on in my '64?
Does my '64 have this module, and where might I find it?

It's gone through a new starter every couple of years, even
though the truck isn't used much (need to get the suspension
re-arced and bushings replaced).

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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I burned up a starter before I
realized the starter was running on due to a short in the module
which kept the start relay energized after releasing the key. I
replaced the ignition switch and start relay and checked out the
selenoid on the starter before realizing that something else was
feeding the circuit. The 6 - 8 volts from the run side of the
ignition won't energize the relay but will hold it on once energized
by 12v. This circuit was crossed over in the module :-)

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:20 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Re Speedometer

At 08:50 AM 10/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
SNIP
>AutoMeter has a web site and a neat catalog. You can also email them
>for info on an intallation. They are one of the better companies for
>gauges next to VDO. Stay a way from SunPro IMHO :-)
>
>Michigan roads, Broncos and
>Kidney belts, What a team!
>
>-- Gary --
SNIP

O.K. I'll Byte, what is AutoMeter's URL?

later

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:51:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Starter Run-on Q '64

> From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
> Subject: Starter Run-on Q '64
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:03:28 -0700

> Could this be what's causing my starter to run-on in my '64?
> Does my '64 have this module, and where might I find it?

Only if you've changed the ignition to electronic. More likely its
the switch or relay hanging up.

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:24:16 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Re Speedometer

> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:20 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Re: Re Speedometer

> >AutoMeter has a web site and a neat catalog. You can also email
> >them for info on an intallation. They are one of the better
> >companies for gauges next to VDO. Stay a way from SunPro IMHO :-)

> O.K. I'll Byte, what is AutoMeter's URL?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autometer.com/

Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Ken's responses to Alt..

At 08:21 PM 16/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi fordtruck list members,
>Just a quick note.
>I'm sure that I am not the only one who follows the newsgroup rec.autos.tech,
>but I ran across another of Ken Payne's responses to Altovoz. I think that
>Ken's responses to that "jerk" are about the best I've seen on that
>newsgroup. Keep up the good work Ken!

Bill;

I had to give that ng up, to much discussion about
things that dont concern me...



Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:11:42 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Shopping List ??

I tried to post this yesterday, but I didin't see it in the digest (292),
so here it is again. Hope it's still timely and not just duplicated or
obtrusive.

>From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
>Subject: Shopping List ??
>
>anyone have suggestions on these items... I've heard that a gear drive
>takes horse power away ?? YES OR NO ??... Are heat treated push rods
>worth the xtra money ??....and what about the rocker arms..is it really
>worth the $75.00 to $125.00 for the high performance rockers ??
Yo Brian:

I'll second sleddog's suggestion about the push rods. You only need
hardened push rods if you're using guide plates. Regular push rods would
be galled by rubbing on the guide plates and eventually fail.

I also agree about the rockers. I have heard many good things about roller
rockers from many people, both in terms of performance and durability.
BTW: I recently noticed in my latest Summit catalog that someone (Crane?
maybe) has replacement fulcrums for Ford V8s. They replace the sled
fulcrum w/ a needle bearing unit. It retrofits w/ the stock rocker arms
for about $110/set of 16. Not sure if that's worthwhile, unless you really
can't find a full roller rocker for your application (with the correct
ratio, etc.).

About the gear drive for timing: I too have heard that they take a bit more
power to turn than a chain setup, however, I have also heard that they will
last virtually forever, and if you buy a quality unit (say Pete Jackson or
Moroso) with double idlers, you will wear out every other part of the
engine before you need to worry about any timing slop. (I have heard from
car racer friends that single idler units tend to wear out fairly quickly.)
Although gear drives were originally designed to maintain timing stability
in ultra-high rev applications, I believe the long-term reliability and not
having to concern yourself with wearing out a timing chain would pay
dividends that justify the purchase price and the few horses lost to the
mechanism.

Those are my HOs.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:05:38 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Plugs and Carbs

i have a 750 holley 4150 vacuum sec. with 4 corner idling. it has hole
drilled in the plates, but i don't know about the wires in the curcuits.
the holes are to help the carb meter correctly at idle. not to lean out
the mixture. the wires aree to do that i think. my carb has been worked
to flow over 900 cfm and idles great with incredible throttle response.

the equation assuming 100 % eff. says i need only an 850 cfm carb but from
the people i talk to an 1100 dominator will easily feed my motor and still
idle well with a little work, and make more power. a less restrictive carb
will almost always make more top end power. but many times a smaller carb
will get a car thru the 1/4 mile traps quicker (better responce, more power
under the curve).

a freind with a 340 uses the same carb as mine and it also idles and
responds well and turns 8000 rpm with a "medium sized" roller cam and big
header, single plane intake. but according to the eqation assuming less
than 100 % efficiancy it is too much carb. theory is nice but it is only
thoery.

sleddog

- --sorry for the bad typing, my wrist is all crewed up and i am typing the
peek and poke (and hope) method.
- ----------
From: Graphics & Research Fabrication[SMTP:pharrell bae.uga.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 9:36 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Plugs and Carbs

- -------------------------------------
I put a Carter AFB on my 351C. It's much better than a Holley. When
you get the Ford linkage you will also need a special Cable Mounting
Bracket. A 625 CFM is a little small for a 460. I think the equation
is: Displacement in Cu. In/3456 X maximum RPM

- ------------------------------------
I just read that formula this morning on sizing your carb. Holley says
oversizing the carb is the biggest mistake they see. What I read said
also to not assume more than 85 % efficiency though. So just take 85 %
of your result. I've pretty much decided to give up on Holleys too.
Mine just idles too rich no matter what I try, and will flood for no
apparent reason. The last thing I'm going to try is to drill holes in the
throttle blades and/or put small wires in the idle circuit passages to
restrict fuel flow. Anybody else ever try this? I've been thinking of
an Edelbrock or Carter. They appear to be the same to me, but one guy
I know with an Edelbrock says they're not. I know Webber makes
the Edelbrock, but I don't know about the Carter.?

Pat
pharrell bae.uga.edu







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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:11:11 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Shopping List ??

- ----------
From: Dave Resch[SMTP:dresch sybase.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:11 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79-digest ListService.net
Subject: Re: Shopping List ??


I tried to post this yesterday, but I didin't see it in the digest (292),
so here it is again. Hope it's still timely and not just duplicated or
obtrusive.

>From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
>Subject: Shopping List ??
>
>anyone have suggestions on these items... I've heard that a gear drive
>takes horse power away ?? YES OR NO ??... Are heat treated push rods
>worth the xtra money ??....and what about the rocker arms..is it really
>worth the $75.00 to $125.00 for the high performance rockers ??
Yo Brian:

I'll second sleddog's suggestion about the push rods. You only need
hardened push rods if you're using guide plates. Regular push rods would
be galled by rubbing on the guide plates and eventually fail.

i'd like to addd, that even without guide plates if you run a HUGE cam hardened push rods may be a good idea.

I also agree about the rockers. I have heard many good things about roller
rockers from many people, both in terms of performance and durability.
BTW: I recently noticed in my latest Summit catalog that someone (Crane?
maybe) has replacement fulcrums for Ford V8s. They replace the sled
fulcrum w/ a needle bearing unit. It retrofits w/ the stock rocker arms
for about $110/set of 16. Not sure if that's worthwhile, unless you really
can't find a full roller rocker for your application (with the correct
ratio, etc.).

ford motorsports sells these also i think.

About the gear drive for timing: I too have heard that they take a bit more
power to turn than a chain setup, however, I have also heard that they will
last virtually forever, and if you buy a quality unit (say Pete Jackson or
Moroso) with double idlers, you will wear out every other part of the
engine before you need to worry about any timing slop. (I have heard from
car racer friends that single idler units tend to wear out fairly quickly.)
Although gear drives were originally designed to maintain timing stability
in ultra-high rev applications, I believe the long-term reliability and not
having to concern yourself with wearing out a timing chain would pay
dividends that justify the purchase price and the few horses lost to the
mechanism.


they also make a really neat whine that makes some peole think there is a blower under the hood ;)

sleddog

Those are my HOs.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M







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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:18:49 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: parking lights 67

Hey!


On my 67 m100, the parking lights are on when you pull the headlight switch
out one notch, but when you pull it out two notches the headlights come on
and the front parking lights go out. The back ones, of course, stay on.

Is this part of the wiring scheme or part of the switch? If it's part of
the switch, I may want to change to a later model.

marko in vancouver
71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:47:24 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: 69 460 good choice

>If you like lots of power I recomend the 460....they give gobbs of
>grins per few miles per gallon!!!!! There are companies that offer
>engine mounts for 460's into older trucks with no cutting etc. I think
>obsolete ford parts in Oklahomie offers them!
>Stu
>+

Dennis Carpenter in NC 800 476 9653 has them (Ford 429-460 into 65-79 Ford
2wd pickup, fits f100-350, mount brackets and bushings, no welding required,
not for Lincoln motors, item no. TD-9720, $160.00/kit

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:36:26 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 79 F250 4x4

> Question-- Are you sure you've got the power ram steering?

Answer-- No I'm not sure what kind of steering system it has. I was reading
about 70s 4x4&Off-Road magazine and they simply mentioned that it was a
weak point in that series. The brief examination I made of the steering box
looked fairly normal to me. I'm more familiar with the Saginaw boxes from
Jeeps, GMs etc. I plan to take a closer look this weekend. How can I tell
if it has a power ram system?

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:21:34 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: IMHO

From: Gary, 78 BBB

>Humble, humble not honest. Honest isn't humble enough. The idea is
>to admit you are giving an opinion and not requiring everyone to
>accept it so no one gets his (ladies have to fend for themselves)
>widdle feewings huwt IMNSHO :-)

Oh my! All this time I thought it meant "In My Hallowed Opinion"! I sure
hope no one ever mistakenly thought I might be humble! 0:-)

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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- -----Original Message-----

To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: IMHO



>> From: "Bear"
>> Subject: IMHO
>> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:00:14 -0500
>
>> IMHO? = In My Honest Opinion?
>> Just trying to make sure I have this right....
>

>
>Michigan roads, Broncos and
>Kidney belts, What a team!
>
>-- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:53:17 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Increasing payload

I have been doing deliveries using my '73 F-100 and I need to increase
it's payload. I would like to carry up to a ton of cargo, if it's possible.
If not, I've thought a flatbed trailer would do the trick (possibly even
better). What would I need to do for a trailer hitch? I found an '72 F-250
that needs transmission work for $900.00 but after all the work I've done to
my truck, I'd hate to start all over again. TIA.

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 460 good choice


>Dennis Carpenter in NC 800 476 9653 has them (Ford 429-460 into 65-79 Ford
>2wd pickup, fits f100-350, mount brackets and bushings, no welding required,
>not for Lincoln motors, item no. TD-9720, $160.00/kit

Just a quick question....what's the difference between Ford and Lincoln
460's? How do I know which I have?

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:27:38 -0400
From: "John Peck"
Subject: Head lights fixed.

Per everyones advice I replaced the headlight switch. Instant satisfaction
is all I can say.

Thanks all.

John Peck

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:17:37 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Increasing payload

deconblu wrote:
>
> I have been doing deliveries using my '73 F-100 and I need to increase
> it's payload. I would like to carry up to a ton of cargo, if it's possible.
> If not, I've thought a flatbed trailer would do the trick (possibly even
> better). What would I need to do for a trailer hitch? I found an '72 F-250
> that needs transmission work for $900.00 but after all the work I've done to
> my truck, I'd hate to start all over again. TIA.
....

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