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fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 283



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In this issue:

RE: difference between 360/390? [DC Beatty ]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. [SuperMagot aol.com]
'74 Bronco brakes ?? ["Geoffrey L. Horne" ]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... ["deconblu" ]
Free front drum assembly/spindle [Ken Payne ]
Re: Tune up ideas (FT#281) [Ken Payne ]
Re: electronic ignition [MNBigby aol.com]
Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story. ["deconblu"
Re: '74 Bronco brakes ?? [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 64 f-100 power brakes [Ken Payne ]
Re: 73 360/c-6 into 68 [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #280 [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: Cooling system question [Ken Payne ]
Re: 73 360/c-6 into 68 [Don Grossman ]
ADMIN: Our history is now on line [Ken Payne ]
Re: Need your thoughts [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: '74 Bronco brakes ?? ["George Shepherd" ]
RE: '74 Bronco brakes ?? [DC Beatty ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #280 ["George Shepherd"
Re: Web Page Addition [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:51:30 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: difference between 360/390?

Joe, I have heard that the rear flange onto which the flywheel bolts up i=
s
different. Of course this only helps if the tranny is out or something,
but...

On the 390 crank, I was told that the flange is a full circle. On the 360=

it has a half-moon cutout in the flange. =


Also, on the 1st throw of the crankshaft I was told that the 390 has a
casting number of 2A. The 360 has a casting number of 2B or 2AA. Of cours=
e
this only helps if the pan is off but...

Hope this helps someone,

DC Beatty

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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 1997 10:40 PM
To: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: difference between 360/390?

>> =

>> List,
>> How can one tell a 360 from a 390 Motor?????I've heard there identical=

>> on the outside????ANy help would be appreciated
>> Joe
>> 68 F100 4x4

Hi Joe,

casting #'s. Many 360's/390's shared the same head castings, so that's
likely no help. You can decode the VIN tag, but that doesn't gaurantee
that someone hasn't swapped motors.
The easiest way is to take out a spark plug and measure the stroke
with a piece of wire. 3.5" =3D 360, 3.78" =3D 390. =

I bought a FE for $75 for my truck. The guy told me it was a 360, but
when I got it home it was a 390! (-:

Good luck,

Steve Delanty =

"So many idiots, so few meteors.">>>

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:59:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

>snip
>I wonder if the block was "decked" at the machine shop inproperly, ie.
>they only "decked" the cyliders and not the manifold section of the
>block.

>This would totally screw up your angles of the manifold. You would have
>less of a steep angle on the heads cause they would be lower sitting on
>the block. Which means more space between each head which means manifold
>doesn't sit properly anymore.

>Hope you can follow this logic.

I follow your logic.
I dont know, the engine was rebuilt (by me before I put on the Edelbrock),
but had the original stock manifold. The engine rebuilder did not mention
any deck resurfacing of any kind, if he did, he would have told me because
the manifold would have no longer fit properly.

- - Mike

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:27:00 -0500
From: "Geoffrey L. Horne"
Subject: '74 Bronco brakes ??

Now that I've slowed the oil hemorrhage and gotten all eight cylinders
going again I am about to begin rebuild of brake system in recently
purchased '74 Bronco -- stock drum set-up -- Parking brake non-functional
and only left front grabs decently. Anybody got suggestions, opinions,
parts avail. info. - ex. new wheel cylinders vs. rebuild kits etc....

My only documentation is Haynes manual at the moment - more books on order
from Bronco Graveyard, maybe they'll show soon ?!?!?

Any responses appreciated / Thanks in advance ------ Geoff

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:11:30 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me...

> I'm gonna go out later this morning and try and score a spacer.
> Kragens is 14 miles round trip, Pepboys is 60 miles round...
> Super shops about 50. Thank god they are all in the same direction.
> Hopefully I'll find what I need, preferably in a non-edelbrock brand
name.
> (or at least for way less than $35)

All do respect to the late John Denver, Thank God I'm a city boy! There
are about 10 auto part stores within 5 miles of me. This is a good thing
because I always forget something I'll need.

> I'm just not gonna give edelbrock another $35 to make their overpriced,
> low quality manifold work. I'll get a 6" x 7" x 1" hunk of aluminum and
> drive up to ukiah to my friends machine shop first...

Ukiah??? Is that in Russia? :) Well good luck with your quest!
Later!

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:58:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Free front drum assembly/spindle

Last year I converted my 67 F100 to front disc brakes. In
step with my pack-rat "I may need this someday and that day
will be the day after I throw it away" mindset I've kept the
old splitter valve, spindles and drums. They've been sitting
in the garage for a long time and the wife has finally said
"get them out of here, be realistic, do you really need them
now?"

Well, I know I'm going to regret this but anyone who wants them
can have them for free. I also have a perfectly good disc brake
master cylinder (large/small resivoirs), I'll let it go for
$10. Additionally, I have a rear axle and housing, 28 spline
with 3.25 gears sitting in the shed, make offer - I'm open
to anything reasonable.
I'm in the north Atlanta area.

- --Off topic--
Oh, got a written job offer in the mail today, the money is
better than what I was making but it would require a move to
St. Loius. Anyone have an opinion on that area? If so, send
it to me privately: kpayne mindspring.com

Ken

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:01:51 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Tune up ideas (FT#281)

>
>..snip..
>
>> replace the plugs. What do you guys think about Splitfire Plugs? Are they
>> worth the extra cost?? Would I be better off with the Champion Gold plugs
>> for half the cost?
>
>Brett--
>
>I broke down and bought a set of S-fires for a 302 I had in a Merc, and
>a SAAB (Slob?) 900. Only the 302 fared any better, and in only one
>specific region: off-idle throttle response, specifically part throttle
>off-idle throttle response, kind of like when you drive with an egg
>under the accelerator pedal; I didn't have to squeeze it as hard, so I
>got a little better mileage, 2-3 mpg in town, little or no difference on
>long trips. Everywhere else was no better, but also no worse. The Merc
>had an auto trans so I was able to notice it a little more. The SlAAB
>has a manual trans, so improvements might be there too, but not as
>noticeable. Also, the plugs tend to read a little lean, but no problems
>with pre-ignition or pinging. I bought the S-fires as an experiment,
>but I think that modified driving habits would improve mileage or
>longevity of an engine more than 6 bucks a plug. Not quite worth it,
>IMHO, but an interesting toy nonetheless. Go for the Champions.

The only really good way to test them would be to buy new Champions
and Splitfires and test them both. The response you got from the
Splitfires could have meant you just needed new plugs.

I've met many a person who said "I put them in an it idled better,
milage increase and throttle response was better." Then I find out
they had 35,000 miles on the old plugs.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: MNBigby aol.com
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

Steve, it is a stock 352 V8. Will an electronic ignition distributor from a
390 fit a 352? I know a lot of the parts will interchange but wasn't sure
about this one. Mike

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:31:44 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.

I'm not sure, but I took it that Jason was referring to Steve's engine.
But the same would apply, in that the stock manifold fit before the
Edelbrock.
But hey, who am I? Just a lonely Cowboy on the list! "Well are ya goin'
send that message Pilgrim, or ya just goin' ta sit there and look at it!"

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: SuperMagot aol.com
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbroke, FE, and me... a long unhappy story.



>>snip
>>I wonder if the block was "decked" at the machine shop inproperly, ie.
>>they only "decked" the cyliders and not the manifold section of the
>>block.
>
>>This would totally screw up your angles of the manifold. You would have
>>less of a steep angle on the heads cause they would be lower sitting on
>>the block. Which means more space between each head which means manifold
>>doesn't sit properly anymore.
>
>>Hope you can follow this logic.
>
>I follow your logic.
>I dont know, the engine was rebuilt (by me before I put on the Edelbrock),
>but had the original stock manifold. The engine rebuilder did not mention
>any deck resurfacing of any kind, if he did, he would have told me because
>the manifold would have no longer fit properly.
>
>- Mike
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:43:06 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: '74 Bronco brakes ??

>Now that I've slowed the oil hemorrhage and gotten all eight cylinders
>going again I am about to begin rebuild of brake system in recently
>purchased '74 Bronco -- stock drum set-up -- Parking brake non-functional
>and only left front grabs decently. Anybody got suggestions, opinions,
>parts avail. info. - ex. new wheel cylinders vs. rebuild kits etc....
>

Geoff:

When I did the brakes on my 71 f250 I first found the supplier in my city
who supplies all the brake shops. I found them easily thru the yellow
pages. This will save you heaps of hard-earned green (no Ken, I really do
mean the financial kind!) over the parts retailers.

If you plan to drive this bronco any sort of a while then just lose all the
stuff that isn't obviously saveable. Keep the shoes if they're clean (oil
free) and smoothish with lots of depth (3/16 above rivets). Shoes are dirt
cheap, should be 10-15 bucks a wheel.

Lose any non-functioning wheel cylinder. They are worth 15-20 bucks each
(any more and you are being taken for sure). YOu might want to get rid of
the master cylinder too just to be sure, they're only 35-40 bucks. Really.

If you were a real stickler you'd also change your lines to get rid of old
brake fluid. Check the lines for rust/decay and replace weak steel lines.
Check the rubber lines on the front wheels for any cracks and change
whatever looks cracked/worn/just not very strong anymore.

Get your drums turned unless they're really bad (meaning too thin, Hanes
manual shud have spec). Lotsa people suggest changing to disk brakes but I
say why bother? I have had nothing but trouble with Ford disk brakes on
everything from my quite un-lovely 78 cougar ($150, quart of oil every
tankful, BUMPERS rusted through!) to a brand-new 89 f250 4x4. If the
caliper doesn't seize on the bracket it rattles, if it doesn't rattle the
piston seizes, if that doesn't happen there are so-called 'hard spots' on
the rotor castings causing incurable pulsation (which I really think is just
a fib to cover up a design flaw, using too much pressure on too little
surface area of an F250 rotor to stop it) bla bla bla shall I go on?

The point is the drums work fine and are dirt cheap and simple to fix.
Stick with what works.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:42:57 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 64 f-100 power brakes

At 07:13 PM 10/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>can anyone tell me what power brake unit will fit my 64 f-100

Don't quote me on this, hopefully someone will correct me if
I'm wrong. I believe you could use the booster setup from a
66 or any of the 67-72 models.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:44:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 73 360/c-6 into 68

At 10:15 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody know if a 1973 F100 with a 360/c-6 4x4 can be transplanted
>into my 68 f100 4x4 that has a 302 np435 4x4 now...
>Joe

Everything ought to swap over with no problems. Are they
the same bed length? You may have to change out the drive
shaft.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:43:57 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #280

George I have a 302 motor in which the good folks on this list
identified as a 1971 and it has got the dipstick in the timiing cover.
Go figure?
This is just an observation.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:45:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Cooling system question

At 10:44 PM 10/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am replacing the water pump on my 1978 F-150 351 V8 several months
>after removing it. Does it matter which heater hose goes to which
>connection on the firewall? One appears to come from the water pump and
>the other from the engine block.
>
>If it matters, which is which? Thanks.
>
>Wayne

Doesn't matter. There isn't any sort of valve in the heater, just
a small radiator.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:06:08 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 73 360/c-6 into 68

Joe DeLaurentis wrote:
>
> Anybody know if a 1973 F100 with a 360/c-6 4x4 can be transplanted
> into my 68 f100 4x4 that has a 302 np435 4x4 now...
> Joe

Yup.


- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:18:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Our history is now on line

I've kept a file of our history since nearly the beginning.
I just put it up on the web site. Some of you might find
it interesting.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:34:00 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts

All I can say is, they're so reliable you have to say it twice! And good to
look at!!

Buy a 67-72, IMHO. This body style incorporated armor-thick sheet metal, a
super design for a stiff box, real nice lines, and interchangeable
everything. The glass is all the same right thru 79, the regulator & most
electrics (save point type ignition), driveline parts, fuel system, etc are
all over the place in wrecker Fords. Not to mention the stylish steel dash,
and easy-to-fix heater setup.

Example: I just changed my water pump on my 67 mercury (352), as the old
one was noisy. The price: $38, less $7 refund for core, equals a whopping
$31. Canadian. Roughly 22 of yours. Now, most all fords will be that
cheap, I think, but my buddy's 90 Pathfinder V6 with a whole 50,000 miles
has a broken exhaust manifold stud and no matter how trendy it is, he's
cryin about not having a ford of his own! Watch out for cab mount rust and
for rust in the groove along the outside of the box. Also check to make
sure the radiator support is intact.

Personally, I don't see as many nice, solid 79-87 models on the road. I
think Ford may have cheapened out on the sheet metal somewhere along the
line. The old ones are usually better. Also, if you find one that's old
and is in good shape this late (25-30 years later), then you can probably
rest assured whoever drove it kept it in good shape.

Happy hunting.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100
soon to be united into 67 merc m250 4x4

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:42:24 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: '74 Bronco brakes ??

That all depends on the shape your stuff is in after it disassembled. If it
has not pitted in the bore, then rebuild. If its pitted buy rebuilt as
replacement. Don't forget to replace all flexible hose lines with new ones.
Blow out steel line with air.

I'd buy new hardware kits and put in all new hardware.

Parking brake? Depends on why it is non-functional. If a line is broken you
will have to replace it. If its frozen, then soak it with penetrating oil,
foam type for motorcycles is good. Take two light hammers and go down the
cable tapping the hammers together with the cable in-between.
George Shepherd

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> From: Geoffrey L. Horne
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: '74 Bronco brakes ??
> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 4:27 PM
>
> Now that I've slowed the oil hemorrhage and gotten all eight cylinders
> going again I am about to begin rebuild of brake system in recently
> purchased '74 Bronco -- stock drum set-up -- Parking brake
non-functional
> and only left front grabs decently. Anybody got suggestions, opinions,
> parts avail. info. - ex. new wheel cylinders vs. rebuild kits etc....
>
> My only documentation is Haynes manual at the moment - more books on
order
> from Bronco Graveyard, maybe they'll show soon ?!?!?
>
> Any responses appreciated / Thanks in advance ------ Geoff
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:50:47 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: '74 Bronco brakes ??

Geoff,

All parts should be readily available.

New cylinders are plenty cheap enough. I never go to the trouble of
rebuilding. I'm lazy that way. If you replace one side on an axle replace=

the other side too. It may stop funny if you don't. =


Bleed out all the old fluid and replace with new. This is a good idea eve=
ry
year or two. Also, don't overtighten the bleeders. I broke one off once a=
nd
wasted the entire new cylinder. I keep it as a reminder. I could've just
thrown the $20 in the street. =


If you need to replace the master cylinder, bench bleed it. This will sav=
e
you a great deal of aggravation and laying on your back on the ground. =


Closely inspect front rubber brake lines. If in doubt, replace. I've seen=

these get kinda expensive, but what can ya' do?? Always use a fitting
wrench to get these loose or tight. If you round one off you will be sad.=


Always leave one side together so you can reference it when you forget ho=
w
the other side goes back together (where the hell did this spring go
anyway???) =


Be patient and have another vehicle to rely on. No sense rushing through
it. =


Right now I am having problems with my semi-metallic pads squealing. They=

have a lifetime guarantee, but if I had it to do over again I would forsa=
ke
the guarantee for the silent braking. Just a suggestion. Anyone else on t=
he
list have this problem??

Any problems just let us know. I bet there are about 8,000 brake jobs wor=
th
of experience on this list.

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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From: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 3:27 PM
To: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: '74 Bronco brakes ??


Now that I've slowed the oil hemorrhage and gotten all eight cylinders
going again I am about to begin rebuild of brake system in recently
purchased '74 Bronco -- stock drum set-up -- Parking brake non-functiona=
l
and only left front grabs decently. Anybody got suggestions, opinions,
parts avail. info. - ex. new wheel cylinders vs. rebuild kits etc....

My only documentation is Haynes manual at the moment - more books on orde=
r
from Bronco Graveyard, maybe they'll show soon ?!?!?

Any responses appreciated / Thanks in advance ------ Geoff



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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:55:48 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #280

I know, but is it original? Maybe some one changed a rear sump pan block
with pan attached dip stick to front sump and couldn't figure out how to
put on a dipstick except by putting on a 64 type timing cover, who knows?

If there's only 1, I always figure some one cobbled it together. If there's
five out there, then I figure maybe its stock.


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> From: George Schott
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #280
> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:43 PM
>
> George I have a 302 motor in which the good folks on this list
> identified as a 1971 and it has got the dipstick in the timiing cover.
> Go figure?
> This is just an observation.
>
> Duke's
> Fine 69
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