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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, October 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 280



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In this issue:

302 engine [bbprice ]
Re: Wire Wrapping ["Bear" ]
Re: Tune up Ideas?? ["Bear" ]
Re: 302 engine ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Wire Wrapping ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Tune up Ideas?? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 302 engine ["George Shepherd" ]
RE: 302 engine [DC Beatty ]
Re: Lets keep it clean. ["Kevin Fowler" ]
Re: Ammeter......Again ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Difference between 360/390 (FT#278) [Alan Mittelstaedt
Re: Let's keep it clean. [sdelanty sonic.net]
A little prayer to the FE gods please.. [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: A little prayer to the FE gods please.. [Ken Payne
Re: Ammeter......Again ["deconblu" ]
Re: A little prayer to the FE gods please.. ["deconblu"
Re: roller camshafts ["woody" ]
Body trim pieces ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
electronic ignition [MNBigby aol.com]
Re: Grills and Saftey Info [OldTrux aol.com]
Re: electronic ignition ["deconblu" ]

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:22:34 -0400
From: bbprice
Subject: 302 engine

Quick question:

I had a 302 given to me recently, I checked the serial numbers and it's
a 1974 vintage and the dip stick tube is in the timing chain cover. Does
anyone know it this was typical for 1974 engines or did they only do
this on car engines rather than truck engines. My 1980 truck has a 302
and the dip stick is on the side (drivers side).

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:23:13 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping

ok thank you I will do that
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping


>If your in a cold climate... up grade to the scotch 88+ as it is rated
>at cold tempatures and reacts the same as the 33+
>
> Brian
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:39:01 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: Tune up Ideas??

>What are the rpm's going to be if you kickdown into 2nd at above 60? Might
>have to go to an adjustable modulator to allow it to kickdown going that
>fast.
>
1st gear 5000 60 miles 2nd gear about 2500 I think...

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:50:37 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 302 engine

Someone changed it out cause they stopped using those with 5 bolt blocks in
64.

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> From: bbprice
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: 302 engine
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 6:22 AM
>
> Quick question:
>
> I had a 302 given to me recently, I checked the serial numbers and it's
> a 1974 vintage and the dip stick tube is in the timing chain cover. Does
> anyone know it this was typical for 1974 engines or did they only do
> this on car engines rather than truck engines. My 1980 truck has a 302
> and the dip stick is on the side (drivers side).
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:51:35 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping

Frankly I prefer my scotch to be 100 proof.

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> From: Bear
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 7:23 AM
>
> ok thank you I will do that
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping
>
>
> >If your in a cold climate... up grade to the scotch 88+ as it is rated
> >at cold tempatures and reacts the same as the 33+
> >
> > Brian
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:54:04 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Tune up Ideas??

I mean after kick down. If its going to be up around 5 K then you may need
a new governor or modified shift plate.

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> From: Bear
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Tune up Ideas??
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 7:39 AM
>
>
>
>
> >What are the rpm's going to be if you kickdown into 2nd at above 60?
Might
> >have to go to an adjustable modulator to allow it to kickdown going that
> >fast.
> >
> 1st gear 5000 60 miles 2nd gear about 2500 I think...
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:59:43 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 302 engine

That didn't come out intelligent. Small block engines used a 4 bolt
transmission housing until 1965. Those are the engines which had dip tubes
in the timing cover. In 65 they went to a 5 bolt pattern and put the dip
stick in the block. Check your block to see if it has a boss in the left
side about 2/3 of the way back just above the oil pan gasket surface for
the dip tube.

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> From: George Shepherd
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 302 engine
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 8:50 AM
>
> Someone changed it out cause they stopped using those with 5 bolt blocks
in
> 64.
>
> ----------
> > From: bbprice
> > To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> > Subject: 302 engine
> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 6:22 AM
> >
> > Quick question:
> >
> > I had a 302 given to me recently, I checked the serial numbers and it's
> > a 1974 vintage and the dip stick tube is in the timing chain cover.
Does
> > anyone know it this was typical for 1974 engines or did they only do
> > this on car engines rather than truck engines. My 1980 truck has a 302
> > and the dip stick is on the side (drivers side).
> >
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:43:38 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: 302 engine

I have a '74 Maverick with a 302. The dipstick tube is in the timing chai=
n
cover, passenger side. I honestly don't know if this is particular to car=
s
or not. =


Hope this helps,

DC Beatty

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From: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 1997 5:19 AM
To: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 302 engine

Quick question:

I had a 302 given to me recently, I checked the serial numbers and it's
a 1974 vintage and the dip stick tube is in the timing chain cover. Does
anyone know it this was typical for 1974 engines or did they only do
this on car engines rather than truck engines. My 1980 truck has a 302
and the dip stick is on the side (drivers side).

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:21:07 -0000
From: "Kevin Fowler"
Subject: Re: Lets keep it clean.

Hay, there is nothing wrong with a little fun and games this e-mail
that is coming to my computer and I do not see anything wrong with
what Decon Blue said, it was only a joke (HAHA). CHILL!!!!!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 7:10 AM
Subject: Lets keep it clean.



>I do not moderate or edit (I've made it so I can't so I won't play
>God) list activity. However, I'm going to climb up and preach for
>just a minute....
>
>Our home page has a logo on the bottom left hand corner which says
>"We rated with RSAC." What this means is that I went to their
>site, which is the largest information site for parents to use to
>help monitor page content for their children.
>
>I registered what type of content we had, what the language used was
>and how "adult" the content is. I basically rated our site as "safe"
>for children so parents would feel comfortable allowing their children
>to visit our site. Nothing like getting the Ford bug to bite them
>while their young!
>
>Lets try to keep it clean and on the topics of Ford trucks. I'm not
>one to criticize anyone's lifestyle but we all need to be aware of
>who might be and who is on these lists. We have people on the lists
>in their teens and early teens and from all walks of life. I have
>filters set up to binaries (at least many of them) and I'd hate to
>have to add additional filters.
>
>The Internet is under a lot of pressure for censorship. I for one,
>believe that the best way to allow **any** content on the Internet is
>to give parents a way to monitor and censor their children. Without
>this the government will receive pressure and will eventually step in.
>If parents cannot rely on RSAC and similar sites for accurate
>information then the sites are useless.
>
>Finally, let me say this: I'm not picking on anyone nor am I judging
>anyone, I just feel its best for everyone involved if we can target
>the largest audience possible. I think most everyone here will
>agree with me on this issue.
>
>Climbing back down and wearing my asbestos suit. Comments welcome,
>but I believe the issue needs to be moved off the list and into
>private email.
>
>Ken
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:18:48 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Ammeter......Again

Tom Hogan,

How's the ammeter working? I followed your posts with great interest and
was suprised that the thread didn't carry on longer. I still find it
amazing that Ford built their trucks this way for years! Do you think that
the shunt value could have been set up for 100 amp charge rate? I'm still
looking for some logical reason why they did it that way.

Anyway my meaurements basically confirm everythig that you did, your
desciptions were great everything was in the harness exactly as you
described, but I do have one question. In a reply to Daniel you said that
you ended up with 1.2 ohms shunt resistance? That's a typo, right? I
don't think that you could of got that much resistance if you built the
shunt the way you described. Also if your shunt resistance is that high
the meter movement in the dash will cook the first time you get into a
'full charge' situation.

I ordered a power resistor from Radio Shack and plan to bring the shunt
leads out of the harness to a terminal block on the fender well. Won't
look stock like your setup but I'll be able to get to it a little easier.

Thanks again,
dale c

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:15:37 -0700
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Difference between 360/390 (FT#278)

> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:02:26 -0700
> From: Joe DeLaurentis
> Subject: difference between 360/390?
>
> List,
> How can one tell a 360 from a 390 Motor?????I've heard there identical
> on the outside????ANy help would be appreciated
> Joe
> 68 F100 4x4

Joe--

Yes, they are identical on the outside, the 390 has the same bore,
different crank, rods, and pistons. There should be a difference in the
cylinder head casting number. I have loaned out my FE book with casting
numbers for ID of the crank and heads, but here's a shot at it anyway.
If you are lucky, the engine ID tag will still be on the engine. It
will tell you the displacement in the upper left hand corner. If the
engine is still located in the original vehicle it came in, check the
rating plate on the driver door. The fourth digit from the left in the
Warranty No. section (i.e. F25APD26846) is the digit identifying engine
displacement. For the previous VIN, it would be a 240/6 1V. The codes
for 1968 360/390 series are:

E - 361 2V
F - 391 2V
H - 390 2V
H - 401 4V
W - 361 2V (low propane gas)
Y - 360 2V
5 - 361 2V (low compression)
8 - 360 2V (low compression)

These codes came from my '68 shop manual. I'm not sure how
interchangeable they are across model years (guys, any ideas?), but if
you need a '68 VIN decoded, email me and I'll do it for you.

Hope I helped.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:09:26 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Let's keep it clean.



Oops deaconblu, it looks like Mom caught us with our hands in the cookie
jar again!
Ken's right tho, the crowd here is maybe a little too diverse for
some of the humor I may have a tendency to post, and there's many more
folks on the list than just the one's we hear from regularly...
So if I've offended anyone out there, You have my humblest apologies.
Thanks for the reminder Ken!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:09:30 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: A little prayer to the FE gods please..

Well, it's after 10am now, and the sun is getting nice and warm
where I'm workin on the truck so I guess I can't stall any longer.

Gonna go pull the edelbrock back off the motor and use the die grinder
to try and get enough pushrod to manifold clearance.
Clean up all the silicone mess, get fresh gaskets and try again.
Man, I'm glad the edelbrock only weighs 25 lbs instead of the stock 78!
Too bad it didn't fit good... )-:

If any of You know any appropriate prayers for changing FE manifolds
please direct them my way this morning... I'm gonna need all the
help I can get on this one.

Tools and rags in hand, here I go,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:55:58 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: A little prayer to the FE gods please..

At 10:09 AM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Well, it's after 10am now, and the sun is getting nice and warm
> where I'm workin on the truck so I guess I can't stall any longer.
>
> Gonna go pull the edelbrock back off the motor and use the die grinder
> to try and get enough pushrod to manifold clearance.
> Clean up all the silicone mess, get fresh gaskets and try again.
> Man, I'm glad the edelbrock only weighs 25 lbs instead of the stock 78!
> Too bad it didn't fit good... )-:
>
> If any of You know any appropriate prayers for changing FE manifolds
> please direct them my way this morning... I'm gonna need all the
> help I can get on this one.
>
> Tools and rags in hand, here I go,
>

Here's one...
Oh watcher of FE lovers, have Steve send the Edlebrock to me if he
gets too frustrated.

Let us know how much it helps. How much did you get it for and
where? Summit has them but FE intakes seem to cost twice as much
as all the others.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:41:17 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Ammeter......Again

From: Dale

>How's the ammeter working? I followed your posts with great interest and
>was suprised that the thread didn't carry on longer. I still find it
>amazing that Ford built their trucks this way for years! Do you think that
>the shunt value could have been set up for 100 amp charge rate? I'm still
>looking for some logical reason why they did it that way.

Kind of like the fake oil pressure gauge they put in! If their not going
to put in gauges that work, don't offer them!

>I ordered a power resistor from Radio Shack and plan to bring the shunt
>leads out of the harness to a terminal block on the fender well. Won't
>look stock like your setup but I'll be able to get to it a little easier.

Easier sounds good! :) Is power resistor any relation to Power Ranger?
"Power of an Ammeter" :)

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:10:15 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: A little prayer to the FE gods please..

>From Steve Delanty

> Gonna go pull the edelbrock back off the motor and use the die grinder
> to try and get enough pushrod to manifold clearance

Die grinder, Eeee that don't sound good. Meatball grinder, now that sounds
good! :)

> If any of You know any appropriate prayers for changing FE manifolds
> please direct them my way this morning... I'm gonna need all the
> help I can get on this one.

Oh great and wise FE God, hold the God of OOPS at bay as brother Steve takes
power tools to his big dollar manifold. And see to it he finishes with as
many digits as he started with.
and the Priest sings "My father beat your father in dominos, Ay Man"


Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:24:00 -0600
From: "woody"
Subject: Re: roller camshafts

It's taken awhile to dig through my accumulation of catalogs,but finally
found one listing what sounds like a streetable grind right off the shelf:

Ultradyne - specs 278/290 lobe separation 112 lift .641/.641
duration at .050 244/255 described as "popular street roller, good
bottom end & mid-range, power 2000-6500

Ultradyne is at 8678 Whitworth. Southaven, Mississippi 38671,

phone (601) 393-3214
Their prices are about double the more popular brands.


Another one not mentioned to date but a little further out is from
Schneider Cams:

Schneider Bracket race, power from 3000 to 7000 300/314
duration at .050 266/272 lift .656/l665 catalog says "Custom grinds
are our specialty." Roller Grinds available on special order only.
Phone
for technical info.

Schneider Cams is at 1235 Cushman Avenue, San Diego, CA 92110,
phone (619) 297-0227. I haven't checked the number -- the catalog dates
from about 1991 so phone area code prefix may have changed.

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Body trim pieces

Well, after getting over my dilemma with the inside, I'm now
trying to fix up the outside of my truck. I've always liked those chrome
(aluminum??" pieces that run the length of the body on 73-79 Ford trucks.
You know, the ones that sit inside that little recessed area. Anyway, my
truck didn't come with them, but I've managed to find some ones out of the
junk yard that just need a little TLC to look good. My problem is the way
that the pieces are typically fastened to the body. There are these
little nibs with plastic pieces stuck to them; the plastic piece holds on
the trim piece. My problem is how do I do it if I don't have these
pieces? I'm thinking about possibly taking some small sheet-metal screws
and just permanently screwing the plastic fasteners on. Good, bad, better
ideas? I need some dialogue to keep me thinking!! Thanks!

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Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: MNBigby aol.com
Subject: electronic ignition

Hello. I am new to the list and wondered if anyone has bought and installed
the electronic ignition kit JCW sells. The one I wondered about fits
completely under the distributor cap. If so is it any good or can I convert
over to a Ford system? Mike Bigby 66f100 custom cab

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: Grills and Saftey Info

In a message dated 97-10-09 12:14:37 EDT, you write:


fall out at any moment, Do they make
4WD Lincolins? With air suspension?
>>
Yes, they do! An upgraded Explorer is now sold by Lincoln. See your local
dealer.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:41:32 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bigby
To: fordtrucks61-79
Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 3:02 PM
Subject: electronic ignition

>Hello. I am new to the list and wondered if anyone has bought and installed
>the electronic ignition kit JCW sells. The one I wondered about fits
>completely under the distributor cap. If so is it any good or can I convert....

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