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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 278



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In this issue:

Re: Swappin' da FE intake... ["Larry Coffman" ]
Re: Tune up Ideas?? ["Bear" ]
difference between 360/390? [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Wire Wrapping ["Bear" ]
Re: Red Book...info [Ken Payne ]
Re: ADMIN: Sticker design ready, now goes to press. [Ken Payne
Re: Swappin' da FE intake... [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: difference between 360/390? [Steve & Rockette ]
ADMIN: To everyone who has donated [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site [Ken Payne
ADMIN: Static Window Sticker Info [Ken Payne ]
[none] [Mike Schwall ]
Re: ["deconblu" ]
Re: [Ken Payne ]
Re: Wire Wrapping [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
Re: Shop Manuals ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Swain' da FE intake... ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: ["deconblu" ]
Bad deacon, no cookie!(was Yahoo for SB42) [sdelanty sonic.net]
[none] [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: your site ["George Shepherd" ]

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:21:38 -0400
From: "Larry Coffman"
Subject: Re: Swappin' da FE intake...

I`d recomend some type of " light " beer since we`re trying to shave some
weight!

- ----------
> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Swappin' da FE intake...
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 11:30 PM
>
> Well, tomorrow (weather permitting) I'm gonna swap my
> stock D3TE 4-bbl FE intake for a Edelbrock performer 390.
>
> By the time I get the alternator and water pump, rockers,
> pushrods, etc, off the truck, manifolds swapped (stocker weighs
> 78 lbs!) and everything back on and valves adjusted, it ought to
> make for a long day.
>
> I'll let Y'all know how it goes, + what performance difference
> the Edelbrock makes. I really don't know if the edelbrock will make
> more power than the stocker or not, but at the least I expect it
> to shave 52 lbs off the front of the truck!!
>
> I don't expect much trouble with the swap (other than the weight of
> the D3TE!), but I'm unclear as to what type of beer goes best with
> an FE intake swap...
>
> Any preferances out there as to what beverage is best for FE intake
work?
> I'll post a list of the results when the job is done.. (-:
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
> "So many idiots, so few meteors."
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:49:51 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: Tune up Ideas??

With you irritate idle I would suggest possibly mixture?? I would suggest a
tune up and have the mixture adjusted. With the passing gear... When they
put your transmission back in did they hook up a kick down rod from the
tranny to the crab. Below 60mph The modulator pressure will let it down
shift but it won't always if it is over 60mph.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett McCoy
>Have a few questions that I hope you can help me with. I have a '79 F250
>with a completely stock 460 in it and a C6. It seems to me that it at idle
>it runs a little rough. Even when driving I can feel a sort of pulsing
>sensation on a very consistent rhythm. Seems to be the most noticeable
>when costing down a hill in drive and foot off the gas peddle. This truck
>has 113,000 miles on it. Also has the factory "Holly" 4 bbl. carb. and
>spread bore intake. I am fairly sure the carb needs a rebuild. Is the
>factory Ford built by Holly V4 worth rebuilding or should I just get a new
>one? Any idea what size this thing is? I was guessing about a 600 cfm but
>don't know for sure. A few other details, the dual exhaust is in tough
>shape and sounds to be leaking under the cab. I also have know idea when
>the last tune up was done. What do you think would be causing this uneven
>idle and pulsing? Here is the numbers off the warranty card if it tells
>you anything.
>
>F25JCDF2604 0 VU 58
>F252 37X K A
>
>Question two, same truck. I also am interested in your opinion on how high
>a speed this truck should be able to stay in 2nd gear. It has 3.54 gears
>in the rear and a newly rebuilt C6 and 235 75 R16 tires. With the gas
>peddle on the floor the truck with always shift out of 2nd to 3rd at 64
>mph. It will also not kick down into passing gear if I am going 60 mph or
>more. From what I have read this seems fairly low. What do you think? Is
>this related to the carb, general tune of the engine or something else?
>
>Any help would be great help.
>
>Thanks,
>-Brett
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:02:26 -0700
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: difference between 360/390?

List,
How can one tell a 360 from a 390 Motor?????I've heard there identical
on the outside????ANy help would be appreciated
Joe
68 F100 4x4

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:53:38 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Wire Wrapping

When using electrical tape to rap wires be sure to use a soft tape such as
"Scotch 33+ Plus" by the 3M company. It can be stretched and it will return
to its original size makes it nice for keeping things tight. Also it will
withstand the test of time. I always hate it when you touch tape and it is
so brittle that it cracks after 20 years, if it doesn't fall off first.

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:46:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Red Book...info

08:17 AM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you who would like a copy of the Red Book..
>I am going to guesstimate it should only cost $2.50 tops to mail it
>out, and they'll probably charge me about .40 cents tax. for a grand
>total of $9.85. there charge would be $11.93 if you dialed direct.
>if you want me to get ya a copy here's my p.o. box
>
> Brian Milbrandt
> PO box 113
> Forest Lake Mn. 55025
>
> I've already had 4 response...I'll go pick up 10 books and get them out
>as your funds arrive.

You're about to get more. The pre-61 group has post a few about
this. I'm going to forward this to them.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:55:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Sticker design ready, now goes to press.

At 10:03 AM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sounds great, they cost?______( Don't know the cost?) Let me know and I'll
>have it in the mail 1st thing tomorrow..
>
>Mike in Seattle

3 bucks. Address is on the web site. Proceeds go towards the
of the web site and the lists. We may soon have a 4th list!
More on this later, but it will not effect 1961-1979 and 1960-
lists. I'm going to post a general announcement about it later
today. They went to press yesterday but there was a last minute
change at the suggestion of the printer. I'll put the design on
the web site shortly before the announcement.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Swappin' da FE intake...

> I don't expect much trouble with the swap (other than the weight of
> the D3TE!), but I'm unclear as to what type of beer goes best with
> an FE intake swap...
>
> Any preferances out there as to what beverage is best for FE intake work?
> I'll post a list of the results when the job is done.. (-:
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
> "So many idiots, so few meteors."

The last time I did an FE390 intake I had a half dozen tylenol 3's
and a case of Bud, the Bud won't get you drunk, The T3's help
with the pain this job causes.

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: difference between 360/390?

At 08:02 AM 11/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>List,
>How can one tell a 360 from a 390 Motor?????I've heard there identical
>on the outside????ANy help would be appreciated
>Joe
>68 F100 4x4

Use a length of wire in #1 spark plug hole, roll it up to TDC, stick the
wire in
to get a reference, roll the engine 180 degrees, stick the wire in again, if
its 3.780 ( just over 3&3/4's inch) further in its a 390. or maybe a 406, or
maybe a 427.........

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:01:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: To everyone who has donated

To everyone who has donated to Ford Truck Enthusiasts to keep us
going, either this time around or during the Spring/early Summer.

I promised a window sticker. I intend to keep that promise and
stickers will go out at the same time as people who specifically
ordered one.

I have tried to keep good records on who has donated but I'm
human so I may have missed one or two people.

If you've donated to us, please email me privately
(kpayne mindspring.com) a notice letting me know (do not list your
donation amount). List your name and address. I shouldn't have to
say this but I will: this is on the honor system, be truthful
about it.

Thanks,
Ken

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:04:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site

Sorry to send yet another email but I forgot this:

The new design is on the web site,
www.ford-trucks.com
You'll see the sticker link on the bottom of the page.

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:54:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Static Window Sticker Info

Here's the sticker information, I've been getting many requests for
this:

Stickers are $3 each. I'll make about $1.28 (after postage) profit
each. Proceeds go towards web site and listserver fees.

"Stickers" have no glue, they use static cling and are designed for
windows. They'll work on both the inside and outside and will not
blow off (unless you put them on the front windshield and drive 90mph).

Design went to the printer yesterday. He looked at it, printed it out
on their special printer and said "truck graphic has to go because it
looks awful". The graphic had pixels showing up on the print-out.
Indeed, once printed, it did look awful. So we are using just text.
Sometime in the future we'll have a multi-colored sticker (and bumper
sticker too) with graphics, but not now.

Design is:
Tried, True And FORD Blue
www.ford-trucks.com

Sticker is clear with white lettering. I had to ditch the Ford blue
color because they wanted an extra $20 to have a custom color
matched/mixed. They had 2 blue colors as "standard" colors but neither
came close.

To order send payment to:
Kenneth Payne
FTE, Sticker
P.O. 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

Give me up to 3 weeks to send them in case other priorities come up.
Most likely, shipping will begin Tuesday and proceed through next
week.

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:33:53 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: [none]

Can someone explain to me what "Tried, True And FORD Blue" is supposed to
mean?

This may sound stupid, but that saying makes no sense. No flames please, I
just need some clarification.

Mike (not thinking on all eight cylinders) Schwall

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:45:58 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re:

From: Mike Schwall

>Can someone explain to me what "Tried, True And FORD Blue" is supposed to
>mean?

Now you want it to make sense? :) I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm
wrong but it means you've tried others and they didn't meet up with Ford,
now I'm sticking with Ford.

I just put a Halloween page up on my homepage. If you guys have time
check it out and let me know what you think (as if I need to ask) :)
Later!

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:13:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re:

At 12:33 PM 10/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Can someone explain to me what "Tried, True And FORD Blue" is supposed to
>mean?
>
>This may sound stupid, but that saying makes no sense. No flames please, I
>just need some clarification.
>
>Mike (not thinking on all eight cylinders) Schwall
>

Ford's "Official" color is "Ford Blue". Its the blue in
the logos. Amoung the many things you'll hear people
say (especially hot rodders and engine builders) are:
"my veins bleed Ford blue" or "my blood runs Ford blue"
Basically, it means your ride is tried, true and Ford
(blue).

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:33:37 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Re: Wire Wrapping

If your in a cold climate... up grade to the scotch 88+ as it is rated
at cold tempatures and reacts the same as the 33+

Brian

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:33:14 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

Helm publishes the Ford factory manual-the ones the dealers use. They have
an 800 # and do mail order. I have bought a number of Ford manuals from
them and am a real happy customer.

- ----------
> From: Dale and Donna Carmine
> To: Ford Trucks
> Subject: Shop Manuals
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 8:24 PM
>
> List,
>
> Has anyone purchased shop manuals from Helm Inc. ?
> I think that I got the company name from this list. I sent them an
e-mail
> asking for pricing info and didn't get any response.
>
> If you have their manual please give a brief review. Is it a reprint of
> the factory manuals, or what?
>
> Thanks,
> dale c
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:37:28 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Swain' da FE intake...

Only Shiner Bock will do. From the best little brewery in Shiner Texas.

- ----------
> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Swappin' da FE intake...
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 10:30 PM
>
> Well, tomorrow (weather permitting) I'm gonna swap my
> stock D3TE 4-bbl FE intake for a Edelbrock performer 390.
>
> By the time I get the alternator and water pump, rockers,
> pushrods, etc, off the truck, manifolds swapped (stocker weighs
> 78 lbs!) and everything back on and valves adjusted, it ought to
> make for a long day.
>
> I'll let Y'all know how it goes, + what performance difference
> the Edelbrock makes. I really don't know if the edelbrock will make
> more power than the stocker or not, but at the least I expect it
> to shave 52 lbs off the front of the truck!!
>
> I don't expect much trouble with the swap (other than the weight of
> the D3TE!), but I'm unclear as to what type of beer goes best with
> an FE intake swap...
>
> Any preferances out there as to what beverage is best for FE intake
work?
> I'll post a list of the results when the job is done.. (-:
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
> "So many idiots, so few meteors."
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:44:46 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re:

I stand corrected!
From experience you have found it is true, Ford is dependable! The
official Ford oval emblem has a blue background. Thanks Ken!

Gee, now my theory of oxygenated blood isn't going to be taken very
seriously! "/

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 11:13 AM
Subject: Re:



>At 12:33 PM 10/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Can someone explain to me what "Tried, True And FORD Blue" is supposed to
>>mean?
>>
>>This may sound stupid, but that saying makes no sense. No flames please,
I
>>just need some clarification.
>>
>>Mike (not thinking on all eight cylinders) Schwall
>>
>
>Ford's "Official" color is "Ford Blue". Its the blue in
>the logos. Amoung the many things you'll hear people
>say (especially hot rodders and engine builders) are:
>"my veins bleed Ford blue" or "my blood runs Ford blue"
>Basically, it means your ride is tried, true and Ford
>(blue).
>
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:21:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Bad deacon, no cookie!(was Yahoo for SB42)

> > Hey Jim,
>>
>> Have You considered a steam engine? You could power it with all
>> that coal Santa always leaves in Your stocking!!
>>
>> Happy motoring,
>>
>> Steve Delanty
>> "So many idiots, so few meteors."
>
>
> Someone took it! Last I heard it was next to a pair of knee highs being
>used as some kind of BBB prevention, breathing apparatus experiment. Some
>people see something just lying around, (like in a dresser) and they think
>"Hey, someone must be throwing this away. I could make something this." Next
>thing you know, the nothing I got, is gone!
> You need to keep an eye on those southern engine builders. They can give
>you a hand and take your molars. Trouble that's what they are, just plain
>old trouble.

Yeah, I think it's the humidity and the mosquitos that makes 'em
so ornery!

> Your partly to blame too! If I hadn't been spending a week trying to
>decipher that "ohms law" post I wouldn't have been distracted! Now here I
>am, no coal, no stocking and I still don't know what the hell you were
>talking about!

Sheesh, Ya throw out a little high school math where none of the
numbers are bigger than 12 and what happens?
What's with these kids today? I told You that You should have gone
to math class instead of smokin that fat one down in the creek behind
the football field...

> Besides, the only difference between me and you is, you never get
>caught! Last cookie in the jar and I haven't had one yet. Who gets caught
>with their hand in the jar?

The trick is, You've got to be carefull not to rattle the lid
on the jar when You get Your cookie. That gets Moms attention every
time... Besides, even when You got away with a cookie Mom knew it
was You by the trail of drool and Oreo crumbs to Your bedroom!

> Guess I don't need a 460 in my truck. I need a fusebox! I picked up some
>fuse holders at PepBoys and I'm soldering them into the fusebox. I think
>this is going to work. If I could keep the blood from building up in my head
>long enough to get them done, I'll find out!
> So are you finished with the "lil Auschwitz " VW NEO-heater installation
>yet?

"lil Aushwitz"?? Naw, it ain't done yet, but at this rate it should
be done by next summer when we go to the hog farm. I'll let You be the
first one to flip the switch if You like! (-:
Errr, I'll just wait over here behind this tree...

I've got the fuel tank and filler neck mounted, the heater and fuel pump
mounted, the fuel line and return line hooked up, and most of the control
wiring run. I still need to run the tank vent line and the wiring to the
fuel pump, plus mount the power switch and indicator LED's on the dash
and hook em up.
I worked on it a little the other day, but I wasn't really in the mood
for it and thankfully Don Grossman stopped by with his cool '63 F100
and distracted me for awhile. Probably have the heater done next week.
The weather is cooling off, I'm gonna want it soon!

>I can feel it coming for that one!

When You least expect it bro!!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:21:15 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: [none]

>
>> Guess I don't need a 460 in my truck. I need a fusebox! I picked up some
>>fuse holders at PepBoys and I'm soldering them into the fusebox. I think
>>this is going to work.

Hmmm, You mentioned sumptin about this the other day..
Why don't You like the glass fuses? I've always liked 'em and
thought that the new style blade fuses were a step backwards..
The blade type have less contact area where the connector meets
the fuse terminal and You can't clean and tighten the connection
as easily with blades if they get sloppy.
Besides, it's harder to wrap the blade types in tin foil when they
go out! (-;
Wazzup? Is Your fusebox causing You grief?

If I could keep the blood from building up in my head
>>long enough to get them done, I'll find out!

Yeah, You don't want any of that blood gettin to Yer brain... All
those chemicals and alcohol can't be good for it! (-:

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:09:59 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: your site

Your site just cratered my software-Internet 3.02 and Windows 95. I mean
locked up tight. Ctl-alt-del to get going again.


- ----------
> From: deconblu
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re:
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 12:45 PM
>
> From: Mike Schwall
>
> >Can someone explain to me what "Tried, True And FORD Blue" is supposed
to
> >mean?
>
> Now you want it to make sense? :) I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm
> wrong but it means you've tried others and they didn't meet up with Ford,
> now I'm sticking with Ford.
>
> I just put a Halloween page up on my homepage. If you guys have time
> check it out and let me know what you think (as if I need to ask) :)
> Later!....


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