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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 277



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In this issue:

Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT? ["Bear" ]
Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Red Book...info [Brian & Jacque Milbrandt ]
tune up. [Sleddog ]
Re: ADMIN: Sticker design ready, now goes to press. [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: Yahoo for SB-42! [sdelanty sonic.net]
What about the 50's? [John Pease ]
Re: Yahoo for SB-42! ["deconblu" ]
Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT? [Don Grossman ]
Shop Manuals ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Tune up Ideas?? ["Brett McCoy" ]
Swappin' da FE intake... [sdelanty sonic.net]
Paint dipping and wire wrapping ["Donald R. Screen"

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:53:52 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?

I have a 60 amp alternator on my truck and I have 13 extra lights plus two
100w fog lamps, I also have a stereo system that draws alot of power (I had
to use 4 guage wire). All of which are always running when the key switch
is on. Also there is 44 feet of neon tubes which run sometimes. My
alternator has done a great job of keeping the battery charged. I don't
think the fans would make that much of a difference.
>
> I didn't take into consideration that I didn't have air-conditioning in
>my truck and others may. I wasn't concerned about overloading my
alternator.
>I'm not sure what the fan draws but worth looking into if it is a concern.
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:26:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:24:28 -0700

> One thing that is hard to except is no one is right and no one is
> wrong, there just different opinions and there's always a better
> way. One of the things that gets to me is when someone thinks I'm

Whoa, Wait a minute. No body told me about this when I joined the
list! You mean my comments are only considered "Opinions"??? :-)

Fact is there is only one right (best) way to do anything, it's just
that, as humans, we haven't found them yet so all any of us, even
the most knowledgeable of us can offer is conjecture, maybe educated
conjecture but still conjecture :-) Course, now, the little red book
is going to remedy that (if there are no typos) :-)


Michigan roads, Broncos and
Kidney belts, What a team!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:17:19 -0500
From: Brian & Jacque Milbrandt
Subject: Red Book...info

For those of you who would like a copy of the Red Book..
I am going to guesstimate it should only cost $2.50 tops to mail it
out, and they'll probably charge me about .40 cents tax. for a grand
total of $9.85. there charge would be $11.93 if you dialed direct.
if you want me to get ya a copy here's my p.o. box

Brian Milbrandt
PO box 113
Forest Lake Mn. 55025

I've already had 4 response...I'll go pick up 10 books and get them out
as your funds arrive.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:27:09 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: tune up.

i found this interesting - from www.vicon.net/~rldively/tune-up.htm

WHAT IS A TUNE-UP?


The term TUNE-UP was coined back when Henry Ford was working on his first
prototype for the automobile. This first ignition system was very simple;
one ignition coil for one spark plug, so if there was four spark plugs
there would be four ignition coils. These coils needed to be adjusted to
provide the same spark intensity for better idle and acceleration. As these
coils worked they made a buzzing sound so when you adjust them properly
they all buzzed the same; therefore they where in tune and that's how the
term tune-up was coined. This term stuck and was associated with the
replacement of spark plugs and any performance or rough idle problem that
could be associated to engine operation. Once the distributor was developed
the term tune-up had no meaning as to how and engine performed, but the
consumer who was use to hearing this term around a garage, automatically
associated poor running quality with the need to be in tune.

sleddog

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Sticker design ready, now goes to press.

Sounds great, they cost?______( Don't know the cost?) Let me know and I'll
have it in the mail 1st thing tomorrow..

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:31:23 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Yahoo for SB-42!

>
>> Good news!
>> Those of us Who live in California and own 65-73 trucks should
>> take our hats off for a moment for governor Pete Wilson!
>> Today He signed SB-42 into law!!!
>> This can only be a good example for other smog states also...


>Dear Santa
> I haven't been all that good this year but how was I suppose to know
>something like this would happen! I want a 460 and a C6 for Christmas. If
>you could, a manifold and quad double pumper would be appreciated.
>Thank you!
>
>
>Jim Strigas
>AKA
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

Hey Jim,

Have You considered a steam engine? You could power it with all
that coal Santa always leaves in Your stocking!!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:50:43 -0500
From: John Pease
Subject: What about the 50's?

Do you have a site for earlier trucks? I have a 1955 f350 with 60,000
actual miles on it and it is in excellent condition. I would like to keep
it that way, and I know nothing on how to care for such things. If you
have a site that may assist me in caring for it please sign me up. Please
take me off the digest list for the 61-79 models, I have no use for them.

TPease

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:31:06 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Yahoo for SB-42!

> Hey Jim,
>
> Have You considered a steam engine? You could power it with all
> that coal Santa always leaves in Your stocking!!
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
> "So many idiots, so few meteors."


Someone took it! Last I heard it was next to a pair of knee highs being
used as some kind of BBB prevention, breathing apparatus experiment. Some
people see something just lying around, (like in a dresser) and they think
"Hey, someone must be throwing this away. I could make something this." Next
thing you know, the nothing I got, is gone!
You need to keep an eye on those southern engine builders. They can give
you a hand and take your molars. Trouble that's what they are, just plain
old trouble.
Your partly to blame too! If I hadn't been spending a week trying to
decipher that "ohms law" post I wouldn't have been distracted! Now here I
am, no coal, no stocking and I still don't know what the hell you were
talking about!
Besides, the only difference between me and you is, you never get
caught! Last cookie in the jar and I haven't had one yet. Who gets caught
with their hand in the jar?
Guess I don't need a 460 in my truck. I need a fusebox! I picked up some
fuse holders at PepBoys and I'm soldering them into the fusebox. I think
this is going to work. If I could keep the blood from building up in my head
long enough to get them done, I'll find out!
So are you finished with the "lil Auschwitz " VW NEO-heater installation
yet?

I can feel it coming for that one!


Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:49:29 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?

> Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?

You bet it is!! Much thanks to Ken for hosting it, and to all
the folks out there who post all this good info.
I know I've learned a lot by being here!

>I haven't decided what I'll do fan wise. If money was no object then I'd
>like to try electric fans, but money is always an object! And when it
>comes down to spending the $$$ I'll probably put them where I get the best
>value. Right now I have other priorities, like fixing the body cancer and
>getting this thing painted.

If You have a craving for electrics but need to save some $$, maybe
the thing to do is go to the wrecking yard with a tape measure and
a 12v battery... Use the tape to find some likely sized candidates,
then use the battery to see how much air they move...
I still think that 2 smaller fans are more effective than 1 large,
but You can "audition" a bunch with the battery and see what You think.
I'll bet You could get set up with all the goods for under $40 at the
wreckers, maybe way less. Most newer cars have electrics and the
junk yard should have 100's of OEM fans to choose from!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:16:32 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT?

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

(about electric fans)
> If You have a craving for electrics but need to save some $$, maybe
> the thing to do is go to the wrecking yard with a tape measure and
> a 12v battery... Use the tape to find some likely sized candidates,
> then use the battery to see how much air they move...
> I still think that 2 smaller fans are more effective than 1 large,
> but You can "audition" a bunch with the battery and see what You think.
> I'll bet You could get set up with all the goods for under $40 at the
> wreckers, maybe way less. Most newer cars have electrics and the
> junk yard should have 100's of OEM fans to choose from!
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
> "So many idiots, so few meteors."

DUH!!!! I was just there and didn't even think to look while there. I
was in a sea of Escorts and such and didn't even look. U-P-I, here I
come again.... *g*
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:24:51 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Shop Manuals

List,

Has anyone purchased shop manuals from Helm Inc. ?
I think that I got the company name from this list. I sent them an e-mail
asking for pricing info and didn't get any response.

If you have their manual please give a brief review. Is it a reprint of
the factory manuals, or what?

Thanks,
dale c

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:32:05 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Tune up Ideas??

Hi Gang,

Have a few questions that I hope you can help me with. I have a '79 F250
with a completely stock 460 in it and a C6. It seems to me that it at idle
it runs a little rough. Even when driving I can feel a sort of pulsing
sensation on a very consistent rhythm. Seems to be the most noticeable
when costing down a hill in drive and foot off the gas peddle. This truck
has 113,000 miles on it. Also has the factory "Holly" 4 bbl. carb. and
spread bore intake. I am fairly sure the carb needs a rebuild. Is the
factory Ford built by Holly V4 worth rebuilding or should I just get a new
one? Any idea what size this thing is? I was guessing about a 600 cfm but
don't know for sure. A few other details, the dual exhaust is in tough
shape and sounds to be leaking under the cab. I also have know idea when
the last tune up was done. What do you think would be causing this uneven
idle and pulsing? Here is the numbers off the warranty card if it tells
you anything.

F25JCDF2604 0 VU 58
F252 37X K A

Question two, same truck. I also am interested in your opinion on how high
a speed this truck should be able to stay in 2nd gear. It has 3.54 gears
in the rear and a newly rebuilt C6 and 235 75 R16 tires. With the gas
peddle on the floor the truck with always shift out of 2nd to 3rd at 64
mph. It will also not kick down into passing gear if I am going 60 mph or
more. From what I have read this seems fairly low. What do you think? Is
this related to the carb, general tune of the engine or something else?

Any help would be great help.

Thanks,
- -Brett

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:30:56 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Swappin' da FE intake...

Well, tomorrow (weather permitting) I'm gonna swap my
stock D3TE 4-bbl FE intake for a Edelbrock performer 390.

By the time I get the alternator and water pump, rockers,
pushrods, etc, off the truck, manifolds swapped (stocker weighs
78 lbs!) and everything back on and valves adjusted, it ought to
make for a long day.

I'll let Y'all know how it goes, + what performance difference
the Edelbrock makes. I really don't know if the edelbrock will make
more power than the stocker or not, but at the least I expect it
to shave 52 lbs off the front of the truck!!

I don't expect much trouble with the swap (other than the weight of
the D3TE!), but I'm unclear as to what type of beer goes best with
an FE intake swap...

Any preferances out there as to what beverage is best for FE intake work?
I'll post a list of the results when the job is done.. (-:

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
"So many idiots, so few meteors."



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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:36:07 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Paint dipping and wire wrapping

Finally got some time in on my 1974 F100 Ranger XLT.
For Tom Hogan....I tried the paint dipping technique.
Poured some Rustoleum Black oil based enamel in a coffee can that was
3/4 full of water. About 1/4 inch of paint floated on the surface.
Dipped an alternator bracket in it and pull it out slowly. Paint did
adhere somewhat to the bracket but not nearly as well as I hoped. Plus
it dripped forever! What a mess. I was not impressed with this
technique and would not recommend it. Went back to the spray can.

On the subject of wiring harnesses...I pulled the main engine harness
off of the truck today. It was saturated in oil, muck,
dirt...etc...removed all of the old electrical tape type wrapping and
cleaned up the wires. The were in amazingly good shape except for some
end connectors that a previous owner had done a lousy job replacing. I
decided to use strap ties every few inches. IMHO, this makes for a very
clean and neat installation. Gonna cover that with the ever humble
black plastic loom and then attach the harness near the original points
with some different harness ties. Not sure what the heck you call
them. I have some that are metal and plastic with screw holes and some
that are just clear plastic. I think they will look neater than the....


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