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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 273



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In this issue:

Re: Is it a 65 or 66 [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Re: 360 Mileage [Don Grossman ]
fluid bag and other things [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: fluid bag and other things [Don Grossman ]
Re: freezing block - anti freeze ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Grills..?? [John Strauss ]
Re: 292ci engine & intake question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: freezing block - anti freeze [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Resear]
Re: freezing block - anti freeze ["Bear" ]
79 Dash Pad ["Mac O'Blenis" ]
65 or 66? ["Brian Forbes" ]
Ooops! ["woody" ]
Re: Grills..Duh on me!!!?? ["Eric J. Kulig"
292ci engine add ons [Stuart Varner ]
360 mileage [Stuart Varner ]
Re: 292ci engine & intake question ["deconblu" ]
RE: freezing block - anti freeze [Sleddog ]
RE: Is it a 65 or 66? [Keith Srb ]
Re: 79 Dash Pad [Mike Schwall ]
Re: Cooling Fan Options??? [sdelanty sonic.net]

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:08:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66

- -> Is there any way to trace the numbers? Also the origional color was
- -> dark blue (this may be a clue.)

Dunno about the numbers, but the USAF sure was fond of their dark blue.


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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:35:12 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 360 Mileage

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 03:32 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >What kind of mileage can I expect from a 76 F-250 with a 360 and an auto.
> >I'm not sure of the gears of a range from 355's to 456's.
> >
> >Thanks everybody, You've been great.
> >-Tyler-
> >
>
> Not sure about the 360, my 352 got about 8-10 before it became
> a 390. Still gets 8-10. This is running 3.25 gears with
> 35 inch tires (too big for that ratio).
>
> Ken

Hey there big tire guy. Right now with my 31"s and 4.10 I am getting
about 7-8 on a long trip. I have a set of 33"s coming on Thursday, that
might help a little. This is truck weighs in about 5500 lbs and does
take a little gas to get up to speed. I had a 9" rear with 3.89 gears
running 33" BFG's and got about 8-10 also. I am sure that when I
replace the ball joints on the front end and have a good alignment done
my milage will improve just a tad.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:28:03 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: fluid bag and other things

Well, I have been driving my new M100 around and boy is it ever nice!
Tighter than a drum, no squeaks, rattles, basically a "brand new" kinda
feeling truck. Amazing.

I have decided to have the body chemically stripped, pickled in derusting
solution, and zinc phosphated. Then I will paint it WHITE! and put it on my
71 running gear, which I will restore while the other is being painted. Any
suggestions on a nice white color, not too much on the blue end of the
scale? What about a proper quality paint?

I haven't quite been able to buy my parts truck yet (a 67 f250 2x) but am
whittling the guy down. If I do that I will have lotsa extra parts. But as
of the moment, I do not have an extra fluid bag yet, since I am still
working on this guy, but if you're really dying for one you can get one from
Dennis Carpenter Reproductions for 22 bucks.

Here are my questions.

The M100 has a 4 speed on the floor. Reverse is right and UP, not down. It
looks fairly small from underneath. What kinda tranny is this, and can I
use it in my 250 without busting it? My 250 has an NP 435 which is great
but HEAVY.

Any possibility of taking a few leaves out of my f250 suspension? My
kidneys would appreciate.

What would be the best recommended shocks to use? I want a soft but
sure-footed ride, not bouncy, but not hard either. Any experiences?


thanks for your thoughts


marko in vancouver
71 f250 4x4
67 mercury m100

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:40:07 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: fluid bag and other things

marko maryniak wrote:

snip...

> Here are my questions.
>
> The M100 has a 4 speed on the floor. Reverse is right and UP, not down. It
> looks fairly small from underneath. What kinda tranny is this, and can I
> use it in my 250 without busting it? My 250 has an NP 435 which is great
> but HEAVY.

What you got there is a t-98. Yep you can use it in a 250. It is
basicly an earlier version of the t-18 and NP 435. Weight is about the
same as the NP 435.

> Any possibility of taking a few leaves out of my f250 suspension? My
> kidneys would appreciate.

You can always pull a few leaves out.

snip..
> thanks for your thoughts
>
> marko in vancouver
> 71 f250 4x4
> 67 mercury m100

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:44:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:16:00 -0700
> From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
> Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

> Having lived in Ontario before I know what your winters are like,
> and don't envy you. Better stock up on some antifreeze for yourself
> too!!!

I remember, back when I used to drink quite a bit, helping my brother
move. Us guys were outside shootin the breeze waitin' for the
women to pack up some more boxes for us to put on the trucks and one
of us produced a bottle of something. I believe it was 4 of us and
we finished the bottle out in the cold, joking and having a good old
time, not feeling particularly high but ...........................
then we walked back into the house to get more furniture and all
suddenly became drunk!??? Not real drunk of course since real men
don't get drunk on just a little bit of whisky :-) Women just have
no sense of humor :-(

My back hurts, my teeth may
fall out at any moment, Do they make
4WD Lincolins? With air suspension?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:48:42 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: Grills..??

>OK...Lets talk grills. I have only had my 64' for about three weeks and
>don't know what grill it should have. Mine is a polished chrome that has
>the word FORD in it. I am pretty sure this is an after
>market. But not sure where it would have come from. I purchased the
>truck from a 21 year old for $650.00. It has no motor now...But the
>429/460 is on the engine stand getting ready for installation. He did
>some work to the truck, rebuilt brakes,new tires, solid welded exhaust,
>and is set up already for Big block. body is in great shape but does
>need a make over. Question is ?? what shold the grill look like and
>where do I find one ?
>
If the word "FORD" is built in the grille, in the center I presume, that's
a 1961 grille. 1962-1966 the letters "FORD" were above the grille on the
valance panel. A 1964 grille has 8 rectangles (two rows of four). Is your
truck a Custom Cab? If so you need the aluminum grille, otherwise a
painted one would be suitable. A painted one is easy to find cheaply but
the aluminum ones are more rare and costly (as they dent or deform easily).
Eric, do you need a bright grille for your 1961 CC? Maybe you can work a
deal?


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:54:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 292ci engine & intake question

> From: "Eric J. Kulig"
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:57:20 EST
> Subject: 292ci engine & intake question

> If I go with a triple carb setup, (would that look COOL or
> what?!!!!) what type of effects could I expect? I've got a "stock"
> 2 barrel Holley on it now. Seems I remember some posts awhile back
> (about a more "modern" engine) with an intake manifold with multiple
> carbs getting better low end torque (which I don't _really_ need
> ;-D) and maybe better mileage..... Since I've got plenty of torque,

You'll never improve on a 2v's mileage with anything but a 1v but
theoretically you can get better mileage from a tripple set up than a
single 4v if you use the right carbs and spend many hours/month
keeping them syncronized and balanced since it runs on the center
carb below WOT on most systems. The ones with all three working full
time are much harder to keep in good tune but are awsome to see :-)
Not sure which system Ford used?

I had twin SU's on a sports car once and had lots of fun keeping them
in tune, seriously, but I was a kid then. Now I like to turn the
screws once and forget it for the next 100k miles or so :-) If I had
a real classic tho (not my daily driver) I'd be tempted to go with
it just for the high tech appeal :-)

My back hurts, my teeth may
fall out at any moment, Do they make
4WD Lincolins? With air suspension?

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 13:56:22 EDT
From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

>My back hurts, my teeth may
>fall out at any moment, Do they make
>4WD Lincolins? With air suspension?
- --------------------------------
Yep, It's called the Lincoln Navigator $40k+. Weird world, huh?

Pat
patrick harrell
pharrell bae.uga.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:03:42 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

All you need is $5 worth of antifreeze. Is it worth the risk? I would
rather spend $5 the buy a new block.

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 15:11:50 -0700
From: "Mac O'Blenis"
Subject: 79 Dash Pad

I was wondering how (if possible???) you remove an old dash pad in a
79 F 150. I know the whole dash (metal section) face comes off and the
dash pad is attatched to it but is there a way to take the dash pad off
seperate from the entire dash?? The reason is mine is severely cracked
and is quite gross looking. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance :-)

Malcolm O'Blenis
1979 F 150 Custom 2wd (351W)

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:20:30 -0500
From: "Brian Forbes"
Subject: 65 or 66?

My 65 has a padded dash and the long speedo, while my 66 has a steel dash
and the round speedo. And of course the different grills.

The difference other than that is the FENDER emblems. The 65 says "Ford
100" across the top of the emblem. The 66 says "Ford" across the top while
"100" is across the bottom.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:47:21 -0600
From: "woody"
Subject: Ooops!

I didn't see the ford-truck.com site on your e-mail list on your web links
page (did I miss it?) . Anyway, I concluded you didn't know about
ford-truck.com. Did a search on something this morning and saw about half
a dozen postings from you in alpha search--so you know all about what info
has passed on 460s there. Have you found any other sites that have any
discussion/threads on building the 460?

Woody
wfriesen worldnet.att.net

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:31:45 EST
From: "Eric J. Kulig"
Subject: Re: Grills..Duh on me!!!??

Hey John and the person who posted the below message!
(my response is down below)
- --------------------------------------------------
> >OK...Lets talk grills. I have only had my 64' for about three weeks and
> >don't know what grill it should have. Mine is a polished chrome that has
> >the word FORD in it. I am pretty sure this is an after
> >market. But not sure where it would have come from. I purchased the
> >truck from a 21 year old for $650.00. It has no motor now...
>> Question is ?? what shold the grill look like and
> >where do I find one ?

> If the word "FORD" is built in the grille, in the center I presume, that's
> a 1961 grille. 1962-1966 the letters "FORD" were above the grille on the
> valance panel. A 1964 grille has 8 rectangles (two rows of four). Is your
> truck a Custom Cab? If so you need the aluminum grille, otherwise a
> painted one would be suitable. A painted one is easy to find cheaply but
> the aluminum ones are more rare and costly (as they dent or deform easily).
> Eric, do you need a bright grille for your 1961 CC? Maybe you can work a
> deal?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for thinking of me John, I have been following this thread
and that one slipped right by me!!! 8-O
Yes, I need the aluminum/"polished chrome" grill for my 1961 Custom
Cab!!

I've got what I think is a '63 (maybe a '64 grill based on
John's description above) aluminum one with small black painted
sections on it, giving the illusion of rows.... I can take a
digital picture of it tonight (cool goodies here at work!) that I
could send you for a more positive ID.

I don't have the person's name or address who posted one of the
emails above who owns the '61 grill. I would very much be
interested in discussing some details with you. Please email me
directly at both addresses below and we can "talk" offline.

Thanx,

Eric
petunia indy.net
erickson vitro.bloomington.in.us


=============================
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:56:53 -0700
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: 292ci engine add ons

If you want 3 dueces on top of that 292 you'd better get a cout looking
for the carbs and intake as well as your check book handy...VERY
SPENSIVE stuff!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:09:20 -0700
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: 360 mileage

Before rebuilding my carb I got between 6 and 8 mpg (city).......now
after the rebuild on a long trip I get as good as good as 12.6 - 13.1
mpg. Tailgate down unloaded AC off, radio off etc.
I have a 3.50 rear end and a NP 435 in my old 71 4x4 F-100. Stu

71 F-100 4x4
89 Merc Grand Marq (soon to be replaced with 96 Cobra 4 Cammer)
95 Special Service Crown Victoria LX

Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:06:51 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 292ci engine & intake question

>>Hey FordTruck Folks!
>>
>>I've come across a deal on a triple intake (two barrel) manifold that
>>I'm interested in getting for my truck. Are the intakes for the
>>292ci the same as the 312ci? I'm not really looking into racing this
>>old truck at the strip, but some period-correct, vintage add-ons
>>are what I'm after. (My .sig file shows my truck is a '61 and the
>>engine is a '59 FWIW).
>>
>>If I go with a triple carb setup, (would that look COOL or what?!!!!)
>>what type of effects could I expect? I've got a "stock" 2 barrel
>>Holley on it now.



You can find everything you want to know about the Holley Tri-Power at this
link. Hope it helps or just adds to the enjoyment of Ford Classic Power!


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.inetworld.net/~brattlan/index.html

Jim Strigas
AKA
Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage for links to my favorite places on the Web
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
And to the Thunderbird Knights Homepage for a look at my favorite cars
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:17:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: freezing block - anti freeze

unfortunatly, my cooling system holds a whole lot more than 1-2 gallons.
in fact it feels like a bottomless pit when i try to fill it. . .

thanks to all for the advice. i am thinking now, if i can push my latest
job out a little i can disassemble it while it is still "warm" outside.
then it will be easier to get all water out, maybe pour some antifreeze
into the bottom of the block to replace what water lays there. a good side
effect is i won't be bustin' knuckles in freezing temps come feb. to march.
i just need to convince my biggest customer i'll deliver their designs a
little late .. it will be ok, just a couple of day .. .

sleddog

- ----------
From: Bear[SMTP:Bear269 sparc.isl.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 2:03 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: freezing block - anti freeze

All you need is $5 worth of antifreeze. Is it worth the risk? I would
rather spend $5 the buy a new block.







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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:33:54 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: RE: Is it a 65 or 66?

> The VIN number is F25A1771910.

I can tell you this much for now, until I get home and look it up in my
redbook. "F25" = F250

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary, 78 BBB [SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 2:26 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
Subject: Re: Is it a 65 or 66?

> From: MuddFlappC aol.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Is it a 65 or 66?

> The VIN number is F25A1771910.
> Still haven't found a real answer, Hope someone can cross this VIN,
> I know Chilton's doesn't break down the VIN Thanks for the Help.

I'll have my book in a few days and I'll let you know :-) Couse
there are several on the list who already have the book...........?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --




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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:58:16 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: 79 Dash Pad

At 03:11 PM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
> I was wondering how (if possible???) you remove an old dash pad in a
>79 F 150. I know the whole dash (metal section) face comes off and the
>dash pad is attatched to it but is there a way to take the dash pad off
>seperate from the entire dash?? The reason is mine is severely cracked
>and is quite gross looking. Any info would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance :-)

It would be hard to remove the dash pad while the actual dash is still
bolted to the truck. The pad is held on by nuts and screws. The pad has
studs in the bottom of it. If you can reach a ratchet up under the dash to
the top, you can remove the pad. On the top of the pad in the rear (near
the windshield) there are screws. Remove these screws and the nuts
underneath. The pad will come off.

There are seven (7) nuts that hold the pad on. Two in each corner and
three the run across the length of the pad.

Mike

_____________________________________________

Email: mikes intix.net
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intx.net/mikes

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:51:21 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Options???

>> The 12" fan needed a 2" wide spacer welded (bolted would work) to
>> the lower angle to catch the lower fan bolt holes.
>> The shrouding is just sheet metal pieces cut with a jig saw and bent
>> by hand to fill in the gaps. screw or pop rivit to the angle iron.
>
>Ok Steve,
> Nice ascii pic! Just a couple of more questions...
>What gauge sheet metal did you use for the shroud?
>What material is the 2 inch spacer made out of? More angle iron?
>What size and type of pipe did you use for spacer off of the radiator?
>Inquiring minds want to know :)


Hmmm. O.K, where's that ASCII drawing... Ahh, here it is:
________________________
-X- / 12"\--/ 14" \--X-
| Fan || Fan |
\____/ | |
-X--|SSSS|--\______/--X-
------------------------
X's are bolt holes for mounting to rad frame.
SSSS is spacer from angle to small fan lower bolt holes.

So, lets fill in the shroud areas with fun letters.
Todays post is brought to You by the letters T,B,L and R:
__________________________
-XLL/ 12"\TT/ 14" \RRX-
L| Fan || Fan |R
LL\____/B| |R
-XLL|SSSS|BB\______/RRX-
------------------------

As You can see (well if You've got a lot of imagination) there are
4 seperate shroud pieces involved with mine.

T) One rather triangular shaped piece, at the top, maybe 5" x 5" x 5",
with 2 curved sides, between the 2 fans.
It's just a flat piece bolted to the upper angle iron.

B) One similar piece to #1, at the botttom, bolted to the lower angle iron.

L) One piece shaped kinda like this, with a bend toward the rad along
a line marked by *'s... _____
| * |
| * /Fan
| * |Goes
| * \Here.
| * |
--*---
R) More or less a mirror image of "L".

All my shroud pieces are made out of 20 gauge 304 stainless steel, but
mild steel would work just fine also. The material should be heavy gauge
enough that it doesn't flap in the breeze, but is still easy to cut
and bend. I used stainless for the shroud and angle iron pieces because
I had some in the correct dimensions lying in the garage.
I didn't use it because it's pretty or "better", only cuz I had it...
Some flashing or other medium gauge steel would work fine and is
easier to cut with a jig saw.
None of these pieces seal things "air tight", only just keep the
bulk of the air going in the right direction.

The spacer piece(SSS) is a piece of 2" x 8" x 1/16" thick sheet stainless.
again, use what is easy to find and work with, as long as it's heavy....


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