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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, October 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 260



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In this issue:

RE: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker [Keith Srb
Re: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: roller camshafts ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Holley Rant ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 9" rearend search ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: roller camshafts [John MacNamara ]
Re: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions? ["Gary, 78 BBB"
RE: Holley Rant ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: fouling one plug ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: roller camshafts ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: I'm confused about Transmission Codes ["Gary, 78 BBB"
RE: Holley Rant ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 15" Spindles and Wheels [GMPACHECO aol.com]
ADMIN: Binary attachments - solution [Ken Payne ]
Re: 9" rearend search ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 15" Spindles and Wheels ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Sticker Design [CATLN7 aol.com]
Re: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker ["Bear"
ADMIN: snail mail or email truck photos for pictorial [Ken Payne
RE: roller camshafts [Sleddog ]

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 03:30:13 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: RE: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker

I cast my vote for

Truck suck? Should've bought Ford...
www.ford-trucks.com

Later

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [SMTP:kpayne mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 1:30 PM
To: fordtrucks listservice.net; fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net; fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Subject: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker

I've received the following two suggestions for the window
static:

" My Veins Run True Ford Blue,
www.ford-trucks.com "

+---------+ (that's a poor-man's ASCII
Tried, True and | F O R D | Blue representation of a Ford
[ ]-------[ ] backend, the actual design
www.ford-trucks.com would be scanned and outlined)

Both are better than the current:
Ford Truck Fan?
www.ford-trucks.com

I also received:

Truck suck? Should've bought Ford...
www.ford-trucks.com

Though I suspect the submission was supposed to be a joke.

Let me know what everyone thinks, perhaps this should go to a
vote? If so, printing will be delayed by a day or two (press
time is supposed to be Monday.) Also, I'm going to check to
see if a Ford blue color will show up through window tint.
If it does, the sticker will change to Ford blue.


Ken





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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:26:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker

> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:29:42 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker

> I've received the following two suggestions for the window
> static:
>
> " My Veins Run True Ford Blue,
> www.ford-trucks.com "

How about:

"I'm a blue blood, Ford Blue
www.ford-trucks.com "

Or:

"Real Trucks are Ford Trucks
www.ford-trucks.com "

Or:

"Life begins with a Ford
www.ford-trucks.com "

My sugar must be low this morning, I'm full of it :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:31:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: roller camshafts

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: roller camshafts
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:18:08 -0400

> searching has come up with the smallest one being about 280 .050 and
> .570 lift. this may suit my needs, but according to the desktop
> dyno runs best at 6000-8000. 6500 is all i really want to run, 7000
> is pushing it, so i need a "smaller" cam to deliver the power
> earlier on.

I second that emotion :-) That's about all I could find but I only
have one catalog so far, Comp Cams. I'd like one rated for lower too
but even lower than that. They are available for the 335 series of
all things but not the 460???

I'll be listening to this one as to mods required as well. Wish I
knew :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:37:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Holley Rant

> From: pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fabrication)
> Subject: RE: Holley Rant
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 16:16:48 EDT

> valve.I'm thinking the problem is in the primary metering block
> having too large a fuel passage in the idling circuit, but I wasn't
> aware that there were different primary metering blocks available.
> Hope you find the catalog.

I looked this morning but couldn't find it. I'll keep it on my
agenda though. The point isn't whether it's made for a ford but for
any 302 sized engine. All square flange carbs have the same bolt
pattern AFAIK. The spread bores do too except for the ford,
unfortunately.

I did bring in my shop manual to look up Tom's problem with the
distributor but don't expect to find what I'm looking for. I'll
probably have to turn my spare 460 over out in the back yard and take
a look to see what kine of clearances there are.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:44:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 9" rearend search

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: 9" rearend search
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:06:55 -0400

> i think the the best thing you could do is call currie enterprises
> and talk to the pros. they know the 9" very well and if there isn't
> available what you want, they'll be happy to make it for you if they

Yeah, I've been thinking about floating ford 9" conversion with disk
brakes, then I don't have to change out the Dana 44 but will have the
benifit of full floating axles all around in case one should break so
I would feel much safer and could still limp home.

I'm really disappointed that no one thought of making the front and
rear spindles and axles the same till Hummer came along. Wouldn't it
be neat if someone made a dana 44 full floater rear end for the Ford
truck which uses the same hubs and axles and gear sets??? I wonder
if Currie ever thought of using Dana 44 hubs on one of their 9"
conversions?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 05:54:27 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: roller camshafts

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> > From: Sleddog
> > Subject: roller camshafts
> > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:18:08 -0400
>
> > searching has come up with the smallest one being about 280 .050 and
> > .570 lift. this may suit my needs, but according to the desktop
> > dyno runs best at 6000-8000. 6500 is all i really want to run, 7000
> > is pushing it, so i need a "smaller" cam to deliver the power
> > earlier on.
>
> I second that emotion :-) That's about all I could find but I only
> have one catalog so far, Comp Cams. I'd like one rated for lower too
> but even lower than that. They are available for the 335 series of
> all things but not the 460???
>
> I'll be listening to this one as to mods required as well. Wish I
> knew :-(
>
> The swift of foot and slow of wit
> have more off road experiences
>
> -- Gary --
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Gary: We have a cam manufacturer out here in the San Fernando Valley. He
made a cam for my old 400 motor. He will make you any grind you want at
no extra cost. If your interested, I can give you his number.

Thanks
John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:04:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions?

> From: SuperMagot aol.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions?

> was falling out and the Harmonic balancer was lose. Yes Lose! The
> three bolts that held it in where finger lose! That also caused a
> mean engine shaking. I tightened em up and fixed it pretty quick.

A lady stopped at my house one day and said her engine was noisy so
she shut it off so I went out and looked and the vibration damper was
falling off (Buick I think) and all, every one of the bolts had
fallen out but one. She has just had some work done on it. I put
some Ford bolts back in for her and sent her on her way :-)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:08:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Holley Rant

> From: Tim Baker
> Subject: RE: Holley Rant
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:48:25 +0100

> I had a problem similiar when I installed the wrong gasket on my
> holley 4160---was supposed to be correct but wasn't--pending when it
> was built.

Very good point! There are probably 20 different metering block
gaskets with different hole locations. If it's rebuilt they may have
put on the wrong one or one could have been slipped on at the factory
during a change over if new. Good Job! They can also be put on
backward with bad results :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:12:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: fouling one plug

> From: SARHOG aol.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:31:27 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: fouling one plug

> My # 1 spark plug is fouling. I checked for a vacuum leak around
> the intake manifold near # 1, vacuum at idle (800rpm) from the lower
> port on carb read 17-18 in. of vacuum before and during a liberal
> dousing of Gumout. Any other ideas?

Are you sure it's not oil fouling? I had a windsor that ate plugs on
one cylinder and it had something to do with the way the pcv was
hooked into the manifold near that cylinder.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:07:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: roller camshafts

> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 05:54:27 -0700
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: roller camshafts

> Gary: We have a cam manufacturer out here in the San Fernando
> Valley. He made a cam for my old 400 motor. He will make you any
> grind you want at no extra cost. If your interested, I can give you
> his number.

When I bought the Melling cam I'd never heard of them before but the
price was right so I took a chance and it's turned out to be pretty
good and of course Melling aint a small company either.

Do they have a brand name? I guess Comp Cams will do the same thing
but I don't know if they charge more or not, probably do. My problem
is I'm not sure what spec I really want. When you get one off the
shelf it's usually tested for a given application so there is some
security there, at least you know what it's "supposed" to do. Can
these guys make recommendations for special cam applications like the
big companies do?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:25:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: I'm confused about Transmission Codes

> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:17:58 -0500
> From: Clark D Cotten
> Subject: Re: I'm confused about Transmission Codes

> So what you are saying is a complete change out of the existing
> transmission to an AOD with something in the 3.55 range for a rear
> end? That would give a topend similar to what I presently have with
> my C6 and 2.75 but give a better range of gearing up to that time.

If I had a smaller engine such as the 302 I would consider the AOD
for sure since these bricks don't get very good economy and mine's a
daily driver (60m/day).

> Is the AOD a direct boltup? Any driveline changes? My '79 ford
> book didn't list these rear end ratios for the truck. Are these
> ratios out of a car application? This sounds good but you have sure

I'm not personally experienced with the AOD's but know they come on
the 302 in many applications including the broncos so should be easy
to find the parts you need to set it up. I would think that adapters
made for the C-4 would work with the AOD but not sure. BTW, it just
occured to me that another list member wants to get rid of his AOD
and is looking for a wide ration C-6. Maybe you guys could switch?

The old standard was 3.50 and cars had the 3.55's but now the 8.8
axles seem to come with 3.55 or 4.10. The Ford 9" doesn't care where
they come from, they're all the same so you have a very wide
selection of new or used gear sets out there.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:38:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: Holley Rant

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: Holley Rant
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:47:18 -0400

> someone tell me what the difference is between the 4160 and 4150 of
> same CFM and with vacuum secondaries?

I think this was answered but the differences I've seen is the float
bowls are center hung floats on the 4150 and as was mentioned the
secondaries have a metering block instead of plate and mechanical
linkeage to operate them along with their own accellerator pump.
This arrangement is nice since you can also have quick change main
jets with the center hung floats which I plan to look into when I get
done with the barn etc.. Otherwise they are basically the same
housing AFAIK. The 4150 can be had without a choke tower for better
high rpm work as well like the 4500 series.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: RE: 15" Spindles and Wheels

I have a friend that insists he needs 15" Spindles and Wheels on the front of
his 73 Ranchero, one member replied that station wagons and a few large fords
had them, my question is , is there any special year he should get from the
junkyards?

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 10:36:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Binary attachments - solution

The complaints about binary attachments are starting to come in
again.

I've found a solution, sort of. While I can't configure the
list to filter out binaries, I can configure it to bounce emails
posted containing any item I wish. I'm adding "winmail.dat",
"base-64" and other key words to the "taboo" file. If you get
a bounce, change your email settings to not use MIME, base64,
colors, special fonts, etc. If all else fails, dump your Microsoft
or Netscape mailer and get a mailer that's friendly with the
rest of the world. Windozs users should try Eudora lite:
www.eudora.com
Its free and a very good package.

Ken

Note: Replies to this message may bounce as I'm going to implement
the filters shortly. This message contains the "taboo" words that
are going to get filtered.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:50:00 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 9" rearend search

> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:41 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: 9" rearend search
> Reply-to: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net

> And I'm still looking for the 28 spline if it's out there under
> the bench

The one I have was used in a 75 van with 460 and 4wd for some time
and I never had any trouble with it but I never really pushed it to
the max either. When I first saw the 31 spline I thought I had a
tractor axle in my hand! What a difference! But the 28 held up ok
for me so you'll probably be ok.

Please forgive me if I sounded condescending. It sort of occured to
me that you had a good reason for going with it but I pushed the
button anyway :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:29:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 15" Spindles and Wheels

> From: GMPACHECO aol.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: RE: 15" Spindles and Wheels

> I have a friend that insists he needs 15" Spindles and Wheels on the
> front of his 73 Ranchero, one member replied that station wagons and
> a few large fords had them, my question is , is there any special
> year he should get from the junkyards? +-------------- Ford Truck

Measure very carefully the center distance between any two holes on
his wheels then go looking for ford wheels in the junk yards with the
same spacing. I bet you will find a lot of over lap between
applications in the same years between the 14's and 15's :-)

Most accurate way is to skip one hole so you have a longer distance
to eliminate small errors. I just made up a spread sheet to
calculate this so if you give me the measurement I can tell you what
bolt circle to look for, either between holes 1 - 2 or 1 - 3 :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:38:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: Sticker Design

>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:29:42 -0400
>From: Ken Payne
>Subject: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker
>
>I've received the following two suggestions for the window
>static:
>
>" My Veins Run True Ford Blue,
> www.ford-trucks.com "
>
>> +---------+ (that's a poor-man's ASCII
>>Tried, True and | F O R D | Blue representation of a Ford
>> [ ]-------[ ] backend, the actual design
>>www.ford-trucks.com would be scanned and outlined)
>>
>Both are better than the current:
> Ford Truck Fan?
>www.ford-trucks.com

I vote for Tried True and FORD Blue!!




Chris Thompson
1967 F100, 240 3sp.(soon to be 302 4V/ C4, upgrade to P/S,P/DiscB)
1968 Mercury Cougar, Dan Gurney Special, 302 2V, C4
1982 Mercury LN7, 1.6L, 4 sp.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:41:46 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker

Ford blue may show up depending on the darkness and the quality of the
window tint. You may look into vinyl window stickers. They can be placed on
the outside of the windows then they show up well, especially with window
tint. : ) I currently have some stickers of that material on my vehicles
and the stay on through hand washing and automatic washes i.e.: brush or
pressure. I have had mine for two years through snow and rain. The cost
isn't too bad $5 to have just one sticker made cheaper for bulk.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks ListService.net ;
fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net ;
fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Friday, October 03, 1997 3:29 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker


>
>Let me know what everyone thinks, perhaps this should go to a
>vote? If so, printing will be delayed by a day or two (press
>time is supposed to be Monday.) Also, I'm going to check to
>see if a Ford blue color will show up through window tint.
>If it does, the sticker will change to Ford blue.
>
>
>Ken
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net, |
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>

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:02:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: snail mail or email truck photos for pictorial

I'm cleaning up the pictorial and taking off all pictures that
I cannot verify the source. Many of these pictures came from
my personal collection that I gathered from the net over the
years. In an effort to use only my own art and pictures from
the list members all the non-list pictures are going to come
off the list later this week.

Please send me photos of your truck, along with a description
and I'll scan it and post it on the web site. Or you may
email a scanned photo to me with description. You'll get
credit for the truck, the scan does not "belong" to Ford
Truck Enthusiasts and I will remove it from the site if you
change your mind about it. Show off your ride today!

I really need 30s through early 60s the most but I want anything
you can send. PO box is on the web site under the donations or
window sticker link.

http://www.ford-trucks.com

Ken

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:39:28 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: roller camshafts

the small one i found was from crower. i have a crower hyd. currently and
a comp cams 292 hyd. in another motor. both cams worked well. so far i
have no brand loyalty when it comes to cams.

i am thinking of calling about custom grinds. look in the back of the comp
cams book it should list hundreds of different lobe profiles. maybe there
is smaller roller choices in there that are none standard. the price
difference should not be too much.

sleddog

- ----------
From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 1997 4:31 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: roller camshafts

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: roller camshafts
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:18:08 -0400

> searching has come up with the smallest one being about 280 .050 and
> .570 lift. this may suit my needs, but according to the desktop
> dyno runs best at 6000-8000. 6500 is all i really want to run, 7000
> is pushing it, so i need a "smaller" cam to deliver the power....

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