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fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, October 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 259



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In this issue:

roller camshafts [Sleddog ]
Re: Holley Rant ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions? ["Gary, 78 BBB"
RE: Holley Rant [Tim Baker ]
RE: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions? [DC Beatty
RE: The '57 gets Killed... [DC Beatty ]
fouling one plug [SARHOG aol.com]
Window Stickers [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
Re: The '57 gets Killed... [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: ADMIN: Other designs submitted for window sticker [sdelanty sonic.net]

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:18:08 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: roller camshafts

i think i remember some people talking about roller cams a while back. i
am now looking at getting a roller cam too. but, so far searching has come
up with the smallest one being about 280 .050 and .570 lift. this may suit
my needs, but according to the desktop dyno runs best at 6000-8000. 6500
is all i really want to run, 7000 is pushing it, so i need a "smaller" cam
to deliver the power earlier on.

but this is the question. has anyone out there installed a roller in a 460
before? do the crossbars on the lifters clear without modification and do
i need to do anything to the front of the block or cam chain cover? i know
i need a bronze gear, and maybe different pushrod length. also, do i have
to do anything to the oiling sytem like restrict it?

i need max power, but can't afford to redo the bottom end (like flycut
pistons for the valve clearance.) smaller roller would be better, but i'll
live with the one i found if i can fit it in there without modifications.
i will be doing this with engine in truck, so i don't want to grind the
block or stuff like that to get it to fit.

any help is appreciated.
sleddog

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:19:33 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Holley Rant

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> From: Graphics & Research Fabrication
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Holley Rant
> Date: Friday, October 03, 1997 10:41 AM
>
> Here's the deal. All that Holley mentioned, I had already tried or
checked out.
> I had put in a pressure regulator (with a guage), so pressure wasn't the
problem.
> Set float levels (new carb, so new floats)..not the problem.

I'v had new floats leak, so check them out.

Have you checked the needle and seat carefully?

What pressure are you running? Holley's don't like anything much over 2 1/2
#s.


> New lower rated power valve. By the way, I'm sure it's not overtight, but
how could
> that cause any binding? The way they're made it doesn't look like it
would be
> a problem. I took it off and blew all passages, and installed a really
good inline
> filter..so trash isn't the problem. They say it's "just plain flooding".
> True. It's really running rich at idle. It seems to run okay at cruise,
but
> main jet size doesn't affect idle. Something I read in a Holley
aftermarket book
> suggests placing a small wire in the idle circuit to reduce fuel flow.
Holley
> doesn't mention this and I'm wondering how large a wire would do it, and
more
> importantly, why would you have to? The book suggests to do this instead
of
> enlarging the air bleed size because doing that would really affect too
many
> other things. The carb is a 600 cfm 4160 (vacuum secondaries) # 0-9834,
which
> is a general replacement carb that comes with a #64 main jets (I believe
I
> remember correctly). The 302 is basically stock with a MILD RV camshaft.
> So, Gary (or anybody else), got any ideas?
> -------------------------------
> >From Holley technical support:
>
> > Nothing in the calibration of the carburetor via jets or metering
> > plates will cure the condition that you have described. The
> > carburetor is just plain flooding due to high fuel pressure, float
> > levels, blown powervalve or over torqued powervalve. Debris in the
> > needle and seat as well as blockage of a bleed or orifice would
> > cause the same thing. Check the floats for bouyancy.
> ------------------------------
> Pat
>
> Patrick Harrell
> pharrell bae.uga.edu
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:09:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions?

> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:35:17 -0400
> From: "John F. Bauer III"
> Subject: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions?

> to lack of correct vaccum, bad vaccum line or failing diaphram,
> could this be a likely reason for engine vibration due to poor
> timing at idle as well as high HC emissions (failed Ohio E check due
> to very high HC emissions in idle test)? Engine mounts appear okay,

Over rich idle mixture IMHO. Put a light on it at idle with the vac
hooked up. If you're at ported vac then you will see initial
mechanical timing but if on manifold it should be around 40.

You could have any of several problems but it sounds like the idle
mixture or plugged or damaged carb, leaking float needles etc.. All
these problems go away when you open the throttle even a little bit
usually.

What carb is on it?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:48:25 +0100
From: Tim Baker
Subject: RE: Holley Rant

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I had a problem similiar when I installed the wrong gasket on my holley =
4160---was supposed to be correct but wasn't--pending when it was built.

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From: Graphics & Research Fabrication
Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 4:41 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Holley Rant

Here's the deal. All that Holley mentioned, I had already tried or =
checked out.
I had put in a pressure regulator (with a guage), so pressure wasn't the =
problem.
Set float levels (new carb, so new floats)..not the problem.
New lower rated power valve. By the way, I'm sure it's not overtight, =
but how could=20
that cause any binding? The way they're made it doesn't look like it =
would be
a problem. I took it off and blew all passages, and installed a really =
good inline
filter..so trash isn't the problem. They say it's "just plain flooding".
True. It's really running rich at idle. It seems to run okay at cruise, =
but
main jet size doesn't affect idle. Something I read in a Holley =
aftermarket book
suggests placing a small wire in the idle circuit to reduce fuel flow. =
Holley
doesn't mention this and I'm wondering how large a wire would do it, and =
more=20
importantly, why would you have to? The book suggests to do this instead =
of
enlarging the air bleed size because doing that would really affect too =
many
other things. The carb is a 600 cfm 4160 (vacuum secondaries) # 0-9834, =
which
is a general replacement carb that comes with a #64 main jets (I believe =
I
remember correctly). The 302 is basically stock with a MILD RV camshaft.
So, Gary (or anybody else), got any ideas?
- -------------------------------
From Holley technical support:

> Nothing in the calibration of the carburetor via jets or metering
> plates will cure the condition that you have described. The
> carburetor is just plain flooding due to high fuel pressure, float
> levels, blown powervalve or over torqued powervalve. Debris in the
> needle and seat as well as blockage of a bleed or orifice would
> cause the same thing. Check the floats for bouyancy. =20
- ------------------------------
Pat

Patrick Harrell
pharrell bae.uga.edu









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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:17:20 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Timing causing engine vibration and poor emissions?

Actually I would suggest checking the plug wires with a voltmeter or
checking to see if you fouled a plug or something. I have had this
condition (rough idle, smooth at higher rpm's) and found the secondary
ignition system to be the culprit. =


Just a suggestion. Hope this helps.

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

I know a few weeks back there was some discussion (which I found quite
interesting and helpful) on vaccum advance/retard on distributors to bett=
er
tune engine timing at different RPMs. Does this seem like a worthy
postulation?

BTW, I'm pretty new at this stuff, but eager to get my hands dirty.

77 460 with vaccum advance/retard distributor setup, its currently runnin=
g
roughon startup cold, and once warmed up, engine shakes a bit at idle and=

continues to shake until reaching about 15mph when it runs pretty smooth,=

revving engine shows smoothness of engine and loss of vibration with the
pedal slightly depressed all the way to the floor. Thus, idling and low
rpms seem to produce engine vibration. If the timing were correct when
advanced for higher rpms, and correct for "middle" rpms (when the distrib=
=2E
was not advancing nor retarding), yet the retardation was not occurring d=
ue
to lack of correct vaccum, bad vaccum line or failing diaphram, could thi=
s
be a likely reason for engine vibration due to poor timing at idle as wel=
l
as high HC emissions (failed Ohio E check due to very high HC emissions i=
n
idle test)? Engine mounts appear okay, plugs relatively new, wires
relatively new, harmonic balancer is there (what else can go wrong with t=
he
h.balancer?) happens in park/neutral as well as drive (thus can't be
driveline if in neutral).

Anyone think I just might be on right track? Any other suggestions?

John

96 F150 302, 2WD daily
77 E250 460, 4WD, custom van!




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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:17:25 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: The '57 gets Killed...

Steve. My sympathies go out to you. Fortunately, I have never been ripped=

off like that (yet???). I have no use whatsoever for a thief!!

Maybe his multiple fractures will heal crooked. Maybe some of them are on=

his sorry little punk-a## face. Maybe the cops let the dog chew on him.=

Hope this makes you feel a little better.

DC Beatty

Tuesday night, someone stole the '57 ( the one in Mother Kens photo
gallery)
while She Who Must Be Obeyed and I were shopping for a new stereo for the=

'63.

This morning the State Patrol called, the person who stole it is in the =

hospital with multiple fractures. He apparently lost control during a
"medium
speed" chase, dropped a wheel off the pavement on a curve, spun 270 degre=
es
into the path of a mid 80's C-word. =


I'm almost too scared to go and look at it, I have spent ten years with
that old
truck, it improved every year, and this winter was going to have a 429
stuffed
into her.

Oh well..... The best laid plans of mice & men.....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox




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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:31:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: fouling one plug

My # 1 spark plug is fouling. I checked for a vacuum leak around the intake
manifold near # 1, vacuum at idle (800rpm) from the lower port on carb read
17-18 in. of vacuum before and during a liberal dousing of Gumout. Any other
ideas?
Let me give you all my details:

- -`72 or `73 460 with `68 429 non CJ heads.
- -Offenhauser 6" rise, single plane intake
- -Holley model 3310 750cfm, vacuum secondaries (brand new)
# 72 main jets, # 75 secondary jets, 6.5" hg power valve, # 31 accel pump
nozzle
- -new dist. cap & rotor (electronic ignition)
- -new plug wires
- -Bosch Platinum plugs gapped to .44"

I have switched plugs around, and plug wires; problem says with the # 1
cylinder.
Just did a compression check on warm engine, all readings are 180-185 except
# 1= 195, and # 2= 165. Like I said, the carb is new, but I had the same
problem with the old carb ( 800cfm double pumper).
I am completely out of ideas. Any help you can give would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

John Z.
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 20:06:47 -0700
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Window Stickers

I lean towards the "Tried and true" choice...

Just my 2d.

Check is in the mail ;->

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:34:57 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: The '57 gets Killed...

> Tuesday night, someone stole the '57 ( the one in Mother Kens photo gallery)
>while She Who Must Be Obeyed and I were shopping for a new stereo for the
>'63.
>
> This morning the State Patrol called, the person who stole it is in the
>hospital with multiple fractures. He apparently lost control during a "medium
>speed" chase, dropped a wheel off the pavement on a curve, spun 270 degrees
>into the path of a mid 80's C-word.

Oh Man, I'm sorry to hear about Your loss. They get to be like family
after awhile and another old treasure has been lost from the roads.

The alarm and fuel cutoff for my '71 is going back to the top of
the "to do" list. I'll start drawing the schematics tonight. I've already
got the fuel solenoid.
I've also been meaning to install an inside hood release cable, so
You have to get into the cab before You can get under the hood...

Sounds like the theif needs a few more fractures once he's out of
the hospital..!


Steve Delanty


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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:11:51 -0700
From: sdelanty ....

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