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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, October 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 255



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In this issue:

Re: I'm confused about Transmission Codes ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: C5??? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Drum to Disk ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Window Stickers ["Bonzai !" ]
Re: Oil pressure drops/360 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Tire Sixe [ccotten entergy.com]
RE: Oil pressure drops/360 [Tom Hogan ]
Re: the smog police are coming [sdelanty sonic.net]
1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member [Ken Payne
1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops! [Ken Payne ]
Re: Tire Size ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: C5??? ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Oil pressure drops/360 ["George Shepherd" ]
ford 9" rearend search [jniolon uss.com]
AFB problems... [A64F100 aol.com]
Digest Replies ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: Ohm's law [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: the smog police are coming ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
Re: 1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]
ADMIN: Window stickers and Site donations. [John Gillespie
Re: Drum to disk. [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: FW: 1969 Ranchero [Steve & Rockette ]

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:39:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: I'm confused about Transmission Codes

> From: ccotten entergy.com
> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 14:58:33 CST
> Subject: I'm confused about Transmission Codes

> I have a '79 F100 302 C6(I think) in pretty much factory

Can't help with the sticker codes, sorry :-(

> I'd also like to know the ratios in each of the gears of
> this transmission. I'm guessing 3rd is 1:1, but what are the
> others?

There were two ratio sets in 79 for the C-6 and the wide ratio is
still available as a retrofit under the E4OD kit in the SVO catalog
but I don't know the actual ratios. My guess with 2.75 gears is
that you have the wide ratio but I can't imagine 2.75's with a 302
even with the wide ratio gear set???

> range. I attribute this to some carburetor work that was done
> at a dealership. It was at this time that I noticed the drop

It's very possible that your original carb was a VV as this came on
302's in cars of that vintage but not sure. They had lots of trouble
with it and many of us put holley 2300's on instead which was a
direct bolt on for the 2v VV carb. When they worked the VV carbs
were theoretically more efficient than the standard 2300 version.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:00:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: C5???

> From: A64F100 aol.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: C5???

> I have A question I'd like some input on. I have a 1964 F-100
> longbed, custom cab with a '78 400M out of a Mercury Cougar. I was

- -- snip--

> Also, I plan to use my truck for minor racing (showing off,
> basically) and
> is that a strong tranny for doing so?

I'm not familiar with the C-5 but the C-4 would be marginal for any
serious torquing without some building up. I've seen articles which
say it can be made to withstand 600 hp but that would be the outside
limit IMHO and wouldn't take it forever either and would probably
cost a bunch as well. The C-6 is the natural 400 companion and a
much better choice especially with the 78/79 wide ratio gearset and
is all but indestructable when breathed on a little. If you can find
the 5 plate low gear clutch pak you'd have a heck of a tranny :-)

If you're really serious and don't have any serious loyalty to Ford
then the Ch--y 2 speed is made and modified by lots of companies and
will adapt to the 400 with some effort but the C-6 can be made just
as strong, perhaps even stronger but it has 3 speeds and I guess
dragstes like 2 :-)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:04:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Drum to Disk

> From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:13:12 -0400
> Subject: Drum to Disk

> conversion info. Every source that I've found for the power booster
> REQUIRES a core and I can't find one anywhere. Thanks for the info.

Try using a junk yard booster to start with. It may be in good
condition or not but at least you can put it in place and designe
your system and then you will have a core if it doesn't work :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:03:53 -0700
From: "Bonzai !"
Subject: Window Stickers

Put me down for 3. Paul G.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:13:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Oil pressure drops/360

> From: wayside wavecom.net (Rob Patelke)
> Subject: Oil pressure drops/360
> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:16:32 GMT

> idle, but now, after warm-up, pressure reading at idle is
> nonexistent. At highway speed the pressure is in the middle area. At
> startup the gauge reads as it always has- pinned. The previous owner

My 78 gauge is broken but when I start the engine it reads normally.
After a few minutes it goes to zero and stays there for ever after
that. I have a mechanical gauge which I check each time I start to
make sure and once in a while look down at idle to make sure I have
at least 10 # showing which I consider normal for an old engine.

The terminal plug can spread out on the end of the sender wire and
can be squeezed with pliers to tighten it and then silicone grease on
the pin before reinstalling it may help. If this doesn't help and a
new sender can't fix it the gauge could be faulty or the voltage
regulator in the dash for the gauges.

If a reading with a mechanical gauge gives you zero at idle your
mains and/or rod bearings are shot or the oil pump is worn out (very
unlikely) or someone opened up the hole in the front main to let too
much oil up to the cam and timing chain or ................. :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 08:19:48 CST
From: ccotten entergy.com
Subject: RE: Tire Sixe

A C7 should be a Dana 60 Limited Slip 5300# capacity with a
3.54 ratio.

Clark Cotten
79 Ford F100
?? Ford 630 Tractor
86 Olds Delta 88 190,000 miles
92 Pont Bonneville Wife's car


>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:33:43 -0500
>From: rdtect localnet.com
>Subject: re: Tire Size

>A buddy of mine has a 79 f250 supercab 4x4, we just
>finished
>putting a clutch in it, what a task! Does anyone know what
>the biggest
>tire is that could be put on it, stock height? We were
>looking at
>33x12.50 16.5lt. Also does anyone know where we could
>decipher the axle
>code? The tags are missin off the diffs. The code on the
>door says C7.
>
>Thank
>Rich

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:14:32 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: RE: Oil pressure drops/360

I had a similar problem on my '76. In my case it was the instrument
voltage regulator (IVR). It's located on the back of the instrument
cluster on a 76, it's silver rectangular about 1.5 inches by 1 inch by
.5 inch tall. The electrical connection to it looks very similar to a
9V battery. It is a mechanical regulator that interrupts the current to
regulate the voltage. The IVR also supplies voltage to the gas and
water temp guages. If they are reading low too then it is a good
candidate.

To check the IVR disconnect the wire from the oil pressure sending unit
and connect a volt meter between the wire and ground (engine block).
You should see voltage turning on and off. You could also use a circuit
test light and it should blink on and off. This is when the ignition
key is in the ON position.

To check the sending unit you can connect an ohmmeter to the terminal on
the sender and the other lead of the meter to the block or other ground
point. With the engine off it should read a high resistance. Turn the
engine on and the resistance should drop. I don't have resistance
values to give you right now but the running resistance should be about
half of the off resistance.

If both of those check out then I would get a good mechanical guage and
get a reading of what the actual pressure is. Unfortunately, if the
pressure needle peggs at startup but drops to nothing when warm then you
should probably start planning on an engine upgrade. Lets see
balanced/blueprinted 460 with blower, nitrous, headers, ...... ;0)


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)


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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:16:32 GMT
From: wayside wavecom.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Oil pressure drops/360

Hello all,
This is a most interesting list. My '71 F-100 and I are quite new to it,
and
we like what we've seen so far.
The '71's (360) oil pressure reading suddenly dropped this past summer;
previously after warm-up the pressure would stay up on the high side of
the
gauge, even at idle, but now, after warm-up, pressure reading at idle is
nonexistent. At highway speed the pressure is in the middle area.
At startup the gauge reads as it always has- pinned.
The previous owner (original purchaser) says he ordered the truck with a
high-pressure pump.
I think (hope) this is a sender/gauge problem rather than a pump/bearing
problem, but I would sure like some more input.
Is there a way to check the sender; do they break down gradually?

- - --
Rob

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:05:19 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

>
>I couldn't find the specs for my 56 ( it was 15 years ago ) but the
>specs for my 70 are as follows ( as of 3 years ago )
>
>Idle test:
>
>HC = less then 500 ppm (mine = 104)
>CO = less then 5.0 % (mine = 1.33%)
>CO2 = no test required
>O2 = no test required
>
>
>2500 rpm test was not required.

HC = 500 PPM is obsolete news here in CA.

Now anything over 350 PPM (regardless of make/model or what the
origional spec was!) means You are "GROSS POLLUTOR" and
qualifies You for a whole buttload of new fun and games...

Fortunately my '71 F100w/390 cruised thru with 176 PPM with a
really stinky carb and motor not broke in yet.
They ran both idle and 2500 RPM test.
It should be *much* lower now. 350PPM isn't that hard to pass
unless Your motor is shot, or You are running a cam with lots
of duration. (especially w/narrow LCA)


>> I have never had a vehicle even looked at by the DMV, All
>>they ever ask me for is the paperwork.
>>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>You missed the point it is not the DMV who is looking at your engine,
>it's the smog check stations and if you don't pass the visual you don't
>pass!


I think Don's point here was that the DMV doesn't require You to
take it to the smog station, so the smog guys don't see it either...

The DMV here doesn't seem to want or ask about smog stuff on 64 and
earlier stuff.

Later,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:12:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member

http://www.ford-trucks.com

The 1980+ list will really appreciate this since it seems to
be the hot topic right now..... but all the lists are being
notified.

A list member who lives near the Ford testing grounds saw the
F250/F350 prototype in a local parking lot at night. Most of
the hood area is concealed with plastic and the two photos are
grainy since its night. However, the grill shots do show a
"meaty" looking front end on this short bed crew cab. Follow
the link on our home page. I didn't skrink down the pictures
for the web site. That way you can see as much detail as
possible since this is a night shot and its very difficult so
see much.

Before anyone jumps down my throat for displaying these...
these pictures are not "spy shots". Had Ford not wanted this
truck to be seen they wouldn't have driven it to a department
store. I will not show spy shots on the site as I believe in
not letting Ford's competition know what they have planned.
These photos just confirm a little of what Ford showed on their
truck that's been displayed at the auto shows.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:26:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops!

http://www.ford-trucks.com

Sorry about that, I forgot to post the first picture (the one
with the grill shot). Web site should now properly display both!

Ken

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:42:17 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Tire Size

C7=3.54:1

- ----------
> From: rdtect localnet.com
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: re: Tire Size
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 4:33 PM
>
> A buddy of mine has a 79 f250 supercab 4x4, we just finished
> putting a clutch in it, what a task! Does anyone know what the biggest
> tire is that could be put on it, stock height? We were looking at
> 33x12.50 16.5lt. Also does anyone know where we could decipher the axle
> code? The tags are missin off the diffs. The code on the door says C7.
>
> Thank
> Rich
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:46:41 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: C5???

A 400m has a different bellhousing bolt pattern from a 302-351, so it may
be a modified c4 to fit a big block.

- ----------
> From: A64F100 aol.com
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: C5???
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 5:24 PM
>
> I have A question I'd like some input on. I have a 1964 F-100 longbed,
> custom cab with a '78 400M out of a Mercury Cougar. I was told that the
> tranny is a C5, but soneone else who owns a tranny repair shop says it's
a
> C4-S. Is there a way to tell the difference? I have a Chilton's book on
> that car, and it calls it a C5. Are there 2 different names for that
tranny?
> Also, I plan to use my truck for minor racing (showing off, basically)
and
> is that a strong tranny for doing so?
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Scott
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:51:48 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Oil pressure drops/360

Senders are bad about breaking down. You can check the resistance of the
sender at 0 pressure and at some regulated pressure-use a regulated air
source. You can also check oil pressure with a temporary mechanical gauge.

- ----------
> From: Rob Patelke
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Oil pressure drops/360
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 8:16 PM
>
> Hello all,
> This is a most interesting list. My '71 F-100 and I are quite new to it,
and
> we like what we've seen so far.
> The '71's (360) oil pressure reading suddenly dropped this past summer;
> previously after warm-up the pressure would stay up on the high side of
the
> gauge, even at idle, but now, after warm-up, pressure reading at idle is
> nonexistent. At highway speed the pressure is in the middle area.
> At startup the gauge reads as it always has- pinned.
> The previous owner (original purchaser) says he ordered the truck with a
> high-pressure pump.
> I think (hope) this is a sender/gauge problem rather than a pump/bearing
> problem, but I would sure like some more input.
> Is there a way to check the sender; do they break down gradually?
>
> --
> Rob
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: ford 9" rearend search

going junkyard hunting soon for a 9" ford 28 spline limited slip or
traction lock..

found an old yard with "wander and pull" privileges...

I seem to remember somewhere a list of vehicles that showed which had
the limited slip with 28 spline but can't find it.

Is there a quick way,(make and model, i.d. plates, rearend tags, etc)
other than pulling the axles to tell if it's what I'm looking for.

Maybe I could at least narrow it down to a few to look for...does the
door plate show the axle configuration ??? or is there a code # in the
VIN # ???

as always your expertise is greatly appreciated...in advance


cu later

john

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:22:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: AFB problems...

I Have recently acquired a Carter AFB carburetor from a friend... I have
noticed that it is different from the newer AFB's (I'm assuming it's an older
model) The base, and throttle are all the same, but the neck where it
connects to the air cleaner is smaller than the new AFB, Edelbrock, and
Holley carbs... It's smaller by about an inch, and I was wondering if
anyone has heard of, known about or used any sort of adapter, or has an
answer to my question... Any Information weould be greatly appreciated...

THANK YOU,
Scott...

A64F100 aol.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:21:53 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Digest Replies

>Sorry about the Length and look of this E-Mail. I receive the list in
>Digest form and haven't found a good way to quote original messages.

Dana & all Digest Subscribers,

I've had the same problem. What seems to work best is to highlight the
text you want to reference, then click edit/copy on your top toolbar. Then
when you get to the point in your message where you want to reference the
previous message just click edit/paste in your window toolbar and presto
the referenced text appears. Please don't copy the whole digest when you
want to reply. It creates alot of garbage that we all have to wade
through!

Hope this helps.

later,
dale c

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:57:25 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Ohm's law

Just looked in my Physics book. (Oops) It's Slugs not Stones that I
was thinking of.



A SLUG is a unit of Mass

IE Force = Mass X Acceleration


Force = Pounds (weight)
Mass = Slugs
Acceleration = feet per second per second ( which in the case of
weight would be the acceleration due to gravity is
about 32 FpS2))




so the units of weight (force) = Slug feet per second per second

Sorry for the confusion

Dana

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:25:49 PDT
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

>
> >> Did someone say I want alot for my money? :)
>>>
>>> Jim Strigas
>>>AKA
>>>Deacon Blues
>
>Just a joke in reference to the Pamona Fair S/M.

Long day at the work house. *s*.

Mike

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:38:47 PDT
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: 1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member

>The 1980+ list will really appreciate this since it seems to
>be the hot topic right now..... but all the lists are being
>notified.
>
>A list member who lives near the Ford testing grounds saw the
>F250/F350 prototype in a local parking lot at night. Most of
>the hood area is concealed with plastic and the two photos are
>grainy since its night. However, the grill shots do show a
>"meaty" looking front end on this short bed crew cab. Follow
>the link on our home page. I didn't skrink down the pictures
>for the web site. That way you can see as much detail as
>possible since this is a night shot and its very difficult so
>see much.
>
>Before anyone jumps down my throat for displaying these...
>these pictures are not "spy shots". Had Ford not wanted this
>truck to be seen they wouldn't have driven it to a department
>store. I will not show spy shots on the site as I believe in
>not letting Ford's competition know what they have planned.
>These photos just confirm a little of what Ford showed on their
>truck that's been displayed at the auto shows.


There is also a few day shot in the "Ford Truckin'" F100 Special
put out by "Truckin'" Magazine. Its got a Summer '97 date.

Mike

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:49:42 -0700
From: John Gillespie
Subject: ADMIN: Window stickers and Site donations.

Ken sign me up for 3 stickers and let us know how we can help with
keeping this OUTSTANDING SITE up and running.

John
66 F100
82 LTD Full size

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Drum to disk.

Snip
>
>I would hesitate to operate disk brakes without a power booster.
>They typically require more pressure to operate and may not work very
>well manually. I haven't actually tried it myself so not sure but
>I've never heard of non power disk brakes?

Early 70's F100's could be had with manual disk brakes...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach....


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