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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 252



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In this issue:

352 rebuild [Antonio Gonella ]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Re:Noise diagnosis (please) ["George Shepherd" ]
Incredibly funny article on member web site. [Ken Payne
smog laws [Stuart Varner ]
MOPAR Mini van [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Diff Temp. ? [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: Noise diagnosis (please) ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re:Noise diagnosis (please) [Tom Hogan ]
Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.! ["Gary, ]
Re: Incredibly funny article on member web site. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!] ["Ge]
Preformance ["Kevin Fowler" ]
Re:Noise diagnosis (please) [Kevin Lindstedt
Re:Noise diagnosis (please) [Ken Payne ]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info [Pengy67 aol.com]
I'm confused about Transmission Codes [ccotten entergy.com]
re: Tire Size [rdtect localnet.com]
Re: Diff Temp. ? [Don Grossman ]

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:43:05 -0800
From: Antonio Gonella
Subject: 352 rebuild

I am interested in doing same to my 59 ranchero. In the Ford Performance
book the specs for the two motors are the same (bore spacing etc) but there
was a brief mention about a possible crank clearance problem with 332-352
blocks (i guess with the counterweight), the book didnt say much more. Let
me know if you find out more and I'll do the same.
Thanks, Antonio

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:03:14 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

Ken

I need 3 sets. Send me a quote and I'll pay up front.

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: ADMIN: Window sticker info
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 11:39 PM
>
>
> >Got a quote today and made arrangements for our static cling
> >window stickers, quantity 100. Supposed to meet up with them
> >tomorrow and give them a disk with the design....
> >
> >However, at 5:00pm today I joined the ranks of the gainfully
> >unemployed. It'll be about a week or two before I'm employed
> >again (computer programmer) so the stickers are on hold till
> >then.
>
> I'm sorry about Your job Ken. That can be a real bummer. )-:
>
> I'll bet quite a few of us would be willing to send a "donation"
> for their stickers up front, with any amount over the cost of the
sticker
> going to the "Help brother Ken in time of need" fund...
>
> Tell us what the stickers cost, and let those of us who are interested
> in one decide what we would like to donate to aquire one.
> You've certainly done an awful lot for us, keeping the list running
> smoothly, and there's no reason why You shouldn't make a little
something
> on the stickers for all the trouble You've gone thru to have them made.
>
> That's how I feel about it anyway..
> Only 100 stickers? That doesn't sound like very many.
>
> Happy Motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:08:41 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

No noise in neutral, not the engine. Must be drive train after converter
and input pump.
Sounds more like ujoint than any thing else. Does the frequency of the
noise go up with the speed?

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 11:39 PM
>
> >
> >
> >
> >Strange thing happened on the way to work today. Pulled out onto the
> >highway and "punched it", and then it started: clickita, clickita,
etc....
> >Thinking engine problem, I dropped shifter into neutral and revved
engine a
> >few times - no noise. Back in drive, under load ie: acceleration or
> >climbing a hill, the noise is back. Can even feel it in the floorboard.
> >Oh, by the way - 460/C6. I checked the fluid level and it is up to
snuff.
> >Crawled underneath and didn't see anything obvious. I don't think it's
a
> >U-joint noise, they growl and clunk right? Also kind of a sudden onset
for
> >u-joints. Transmission maybe? I won't be able to work on it until a
week
> >from Friday (going out of town on business), but hope to get some ideas
> >prior to that. TIA
>
> Exhaust leak? Maybe a hunk of gasket blew out when You got on it.

Would still make noise in neutral if it was engine (exhaust) problem.
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:05:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Incredibly funny article on member web site.

Point your browser to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.ari.net/gking/thetruck.html

Geff King, one of the list members made this page. The
"High-Speed Characteristics of Pickup Trucks" article is
extremely funny and I hope everyone here enjoys it as
much as I did.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:40:32 -0700
From: Stuart Varner
Subject: smog laws

Tom, Tell us West Tennessee hillbillies who haven't even heard of the
smog Nazi's how you really feel!!!! (KIDDING) Having worked for a
major Oil Co.
in days gone by, I am aware of such crazy things brewing, I am just in
complete denial it will ever come to my home town for a showing!
FEATURE PRESENTATION!!!
XXX flics featuring left wing pinko communist, liberal, whale loving,
breast feeding, sandal wearing, tree hugging, take your daughter to
work day, foreign car (Volvo) driving, crispy critters freeze dried
from the 60's stuff. No flames please, trying to poke a little fun
with the greatest country in the world!!!
Write your congressman or tell him you'll vote his #$ out of office if
he doesn't ease up. May not do any good, but you do feel better after
such venting!

Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:42:44 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: MOPAR Mini van

Kevin. Check the magnetic pickup coil in the distributer. They are
fairly common failures. If that doesn't work, I give up. Good luck.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:09:54 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Diff Temp. ?

>Howdy
>
> Yesterday I pulled into the drive and decided that I would have a
>little look under the truck. I was looking at the rear axle(dana 60)
>and put my hand on the housing OUCH! It was a little hotter than I
>expected. I usually work on parts that are cool and so I am wondering
>how hot can the diffs get during a 1/2 hour or 45 minutes driving? What
>about normal operating temps for these parts. I has lots of fresh gear
>oil in it. I changed it three times just to make sure it was well
>fulushed out when I installed it(used rear end). It doesn't make any
>strange noise or anything that would make me think that something is
>wrong.
>
>Any Ideas?
>
>TIA
>- --

Is it a limited slip axle? The clutches can produce quite a bit of
heat, especially if YOu drive in circles a lot...

Got all that dirt out from under the house yet Don? Rainy season's comin!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:09:58 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

>
>100 3x12 stickers, clear static cling type, one color: $140 +
>tax. Additional colors are less and additional stickers are less
>because a big cost is the screen setup.
>
>If I can get a commitment from enough people to cover the costs
>at.... how does $3 a piece sound, including shipping? That means
>at least 50 people commit to it. I'll put the design on the web
>site tonight so you can preview it.

Sounds good Ken.
I'll take 3. Where do I mail my 9 bucks? You need 47 more people.. (-:
Is the "one color" Ford blue?

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:05:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

Put me in for a sticker, Sorry about the job Ken. Let me know where to send
the $

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:24:43 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Noise diagnosis (please)

Couldn't be flex plate- no noise in neutral, if a flex plate clicks, it
clicks neutral and drive, I know that one by experience.

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Noise diagnosis (please)
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 4:15 AM
>
> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:22:35 -0500
> > From: Kevin Lindstedt
> > Subject: Noise diagnosis (please)
>
> > Strange thing happened on the way to work today. Pulled out onto
> > the highway and "punched it", and then it started: clickita,
> > clickita, etc.... Thinking engine problem, I dropped shifter into
>
> Might be the flex plate, just a guess, my son broke one and it
> clicked a lot before it gave up altogether. I had a module go out
> once and it kept the fire to the starter after releasing the key and
> burned up my starter. Couldn't hear it over the engine noise, don't
> know it it clicked or not :-)
>
> The swift of foot and slow of wit
> have more off road experiences
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

Tell us where to send the money for the order!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:54:12 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

There is one engine malady that I can think of that wouldn't be
eliminated with this test -- an exhaust leak. I've seen engines that
had a distinct clicking/tapping noise when under load that goes away
with no load and the culprit was an exhaust leak. Even if you reved the
motor with no load there would be no ticking noise. Someone suggested
using a feather to locate the leak. I haven't tried this method but it
seem that the radiator fan would cause a problem. If you could put up a
shield to keep the fan from blowing the feather it would be easier to
use. I guess the idea is that when you get close to the leak it will
blow on the feather causing it to move. This way you could tell if it
is a gasket or a cracked manifold.

The fact that you feel the vibrations in the floorboard leads me to
think it may not be and exhaust leak but it is something to check.

Good Luck.


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)



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Kevin L. I think you practically eliminated the engine when you put
it in neutral and reved it a couple of times. Not 100% eliminated, but
close

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:40:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!

> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 05:14:31 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!]

> > It made a funny kind of tick tick tick noise...
> > and now i can't get the hubs unlocked ......HELP!!!

This is common on dry ground or pavement especially with unequal
differential gear ratios which is quite common. The front is usually
one or two points taller than the rear to force it to pull the back
end straight in snow and mud but causes the drive shafts to wind up
and puts pressure on the hubs and transfer case gears. Try backing
up about 1 foot at a time and checking the transfer case shifter till
it will shift back into 2 hi, then you should be able to unlock the
hubs. If they still won't budge you probably need to take them apart
and clean them and relube them with a light coating of a light water
proof grease like lubriplate.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:07:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Incredibly funny article on member web site.

> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:05:23 -0400
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Incredibly funny article on member web site.

> "High-Speed Characteristics of Pickup Trucks" article is
> extremely funny and I hope everyone here enjoys it as
> much as I did.

What's even funnier is I can relate to most of what he said except
for the beer. I don't need to be drunk to enjoy all the stupidity he
talks about :-) I've only run off the road a few times but it was
almost like he says and fortunately there were no woods close by,
just ditches. I just did half a dozen half donuts this morning on
the way to work when I missed Cone Rd. and decided at the last minute
to duck onto Welch Rd and double back. It was loose, marbley gravel
and 12.5" tires at 30 mph don't bite so good on that stuff! Was I
surprised!

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:19:31 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!]

Try rocking it between drive and reverse, sometimes that works for me.

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> From: Don Grossman
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this
time.!!!!]
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 8:14 AM
>
> SLaG wrote:
> >
> > ps.it's a v8 automatic....anything else you need to know?
> > just email me
> > thanks..
>
> > Subject: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!
>
> > hey..
> > yes...i am new to this 4wheeling thing...so please bear with me.
> > i thought i would try and lock down the 4 wheel drive today for the
> > first time just to make sure i knew how..
> > so i jumped in the ol' 73 Bronco, took it in the backyard and proceeded
> > the best i knew how.
> > i locked the front hubs and everything....
> >
> > It made a funny kind of tick tick tick noise...
> > and now i can't get the hubs unlocked ......HELP!!!
> >
> > please tell me i didn't break something....any advice is greatly
> > appreciated...
> >
> > please reply by e-mail
> > rasberry aaaa.net
> > --
> > ࡱ
>
> First the tick tick tick noise is most likely the axle ujoints in the
> front end. If you can get the t-case into neutral you should be able to
> unlock the hubs. Sometimes the driveline bind will not allow the hubs
> to disengage. Email me for more help if you need.
>
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
>
> 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44
>
> Phase 172: rebuild front suspension
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:25:12 -0000
From: "Kevin Fowler"
Subject: Preformance

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:34:31 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

Thanks to all for suggestions about my "noise". I think I'll look for an
exhaust leak first - I just got a new cross-over fabricated for it about a
month ago. That's the easiest and least expensive. I'll check u-joints
next. The fella I bought the truck from used to pull a large horse trailer
all over and the u-joints could probably stand to be replaced.

Lest you all think I'll be working while I'm out of town on business, let
me set you straight. I'm heading over towards Jim Strigas'
neck-of-the-woods - Palm Desert California (Ontario, right Jim?). There's
a Distributor's Convention going on there next week and I HAVE to go. Darn.
:-)

I'll let you know what I find when I get back to work on it.

Kevin Lindstedt
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:51:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

At 10:54 AM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>There is one engine malady that I can think of that wouldn't be
>eliminated with this test -- an exhaust leak. I've seen engines that
>had a distinct clicking/tapping noise when under load that goes away
>with no load and the culprit was an exhaust leak. Even if you reved the
>motor with no load there would be no ticking noise. Someone suggested
>using a feather to locate the leak. I haven't tried this method but it
>seem that the radiator fan would cause a problem. If you could put up a
>shield to keep the fan from blowing the feather it would be easier to
>use. I guess the idea is that when you get close to the leak it will
>blow on the feather causing it to move. This way you could tell if it
>is a gasket or a cracked manifold.
>
>The fact that you feel the vibrations in the floorboard leads me to
>think it may not be and exhaust leak but it is something to check.
>
>Good Luck.
>

Best method I've used for finding an exhaust leak is to take a
4 foot piece of garden hose, hold one end to your ear and move
the other end near possible leak sources. You'll definately
hear the leak, even if its minor. Don't worry, its not going to
be screaming loud so you won't lose your hearing.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:12:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pengy67 aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

Sounds good, Ken, let us know where to send the $. I'll take a
couple....Thanks for all of your hard work, BTW!

Fred

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 14:58:33 CST
From: ccotten entergy.com
Subject: I'm confused about Transmission Codes

I've been lurking on the fordnatics list for about a year
but didn't see much truck activity there. I was pleased to
find out about this list when I saw a note from Dave
Williams wanting the address. I've joined and I like the
truck content.

I have a '79 F100 302 C6(I think) in pretty much factory
trim. I've been puzzled on the transmission code on the
door frame and what Ford lists in my '79 Light Truck Shop
Manual. The doorpost indicates a "K" code while the manual
lists the codes available as either "G" - automatic, "C" -
Ford Manual 3 speed, "F" - Warner 4 speed manual, "A" - New
Process 4 speed manual, "B" - Clark Manual 4 speed
overdrive, and "X" - Automatic C6 (Fleet Only).

So what in the world is a "K" transmission?

I'd also like to know the ratios in each of the gears of
this transmission. I'm guessing 3rd is 1:1, but what are
the others?

I'd like to throw in my 2 cents on fuel economy. Mine used
to get 14ish most of the time, but now it's only in the
12ish range. I attribute this to some carburetor work that
was done at a dealership. It was at this time that I
noticed the drop in mpg. (I track this for every fillup) As
time went on I thought it might just be the age of the
engine, but I put a rebuilt (sorry I just didn't have the
extra time to do the wrenching myself) engine a year ago and
the mileage didn't improve. The rear end is a 2.75. Anyone
have suggestions as to a good replacement carb?

I'm a digest member so feel free to email me directly or
post it back here.

Clark Cotten
'79 Ford F100
'?? Ford 630 Tractor
'89 Olds delta 88 190,000 miles
'92 Pont Bonneville - wife's car




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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:33:43 -0500
From: rdtect localnet.com
Subject: re: Tire Size

A buddy of mine has a 79 f250 supercab 4x4, we just finished
putting a clutch in it, what a task! Does anyone know what the biggest
tire is that could be put on it, stock height? We were looking at
33x12.50 16.5lt. Also does anyone know where we could decipher the axle
code? The tags are missin off the diffs. The code on the door says C7.

Thank
Rich

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:05:41 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Diff Temp. ?

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:
>
> >Howdy
> >
> > Yesterday I pulled into the drive and decided that I would have a
> >little look under the truck. I was looking at the rear axle(dana 60)
> >and put my hand on the housing OUCH! It was a little hotter than I
> >expected. I usually work on parts that are cool and so I am wondering
> >how hot can the diffs get during a 1/2 hour or 45 minutes driving? What
> >about normal operating temps for these parts. I has lots of fresh gear
> >oil in it. I changed it three times just to make sure it was well
> >fulushed out when I installed it(used rear end). It doesn't make any
> >strange noise or anything that would make me think that something is
> >wrong.
> >
> >Any Ideas?
> >
> >TIA
> >- --
>
> Is it a limited slip axle? The clutches can produce quite a bit of....


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