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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, October 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 251



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In this issue:

Re: Drum to disk. [Don Grossman ]
Re: question!? [Don Grossman ]
Diff Temp. ? [Don Grossman ]
Re: the smog police are coming [Don Grossman ]
Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!] [Don]
Re: Puzzle ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Drum to disk. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: question!? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
FW: 1969 Ranchero ["White, Ed" ]
Re: Noise diagnosis (please) ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Spare Tire Carrier ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Various [am14 chrysler.com]
Re:Noise diagnosis (please) ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: the smog police are coming [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Ohm's Law [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info [Ken Payne ]
GTE and AOL bounces [Ken Payne ]
Re: the smog police are coming [Tom Hogan ]
Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!] ["Ja]
RE question!? [Tom Hogan ]

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:31:12 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Drum to disk.

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 08:01 PM 9/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I have learned a great deal about this swap over the past couple of
> >weeks and would like to know one other thing while everyone is on the
> >subject. I have a 69 F-100 2 wd. I want to put on the discs from the you
> >pull-it yard this weekend my question is this> If the discs come from a
> >truck with power brakes will they work with a manual system or does it
> >have to be a power system? The reason I ask is that I know that all of
> >the donors have been stripped of the power accessories. Thanks for your
> >help.
> >
> >Duke's
> >Fine 69
>
> They have to be power. You wouldn't have the muscle to handle
> those discs. If you want full conversion info, I'll repost
> a message I posted about a month ago.
>
> Ken

He could alway add a steel seat and some extra bracing for his back.
Putting a power booster on my 63 was the best thing I have done so far
to it. Before with just the drum brakes the peddle travel was almost as
much as my travel back into the seat. :)

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:39:25 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: question!?

Being doubtfull that the optical sensor is gone, I would look at the
ignition module, or eec, or whatever that year and model has. If you
can get your hands on one of those error code testers that plug into the
harness that could give you place to start.

Or you could take your friend down to the local Ford dealer. ;-)

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:58:06 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Diff Temp. ?

Howdy

Yesterday I pulled into the drive and decided that I would have a
little look under the truck. I was looking at the rear axle(dana 60)
and put my hand on the housing OUCH! It was a little hotter than I
expected. I usually work on parts that are cool and so I am wondering
how hot can the diffs get during a 1/2 hour or 45 minutes driving? What
about normal operating temps for these parts. I has lots of fresh gear
oil in it. I changed it three times just to make sure it was well
fulushed out when I installed it(used rear end). It doesn't make any
strange noise or anything that would make me think that something is
wrong.

Any Ideas?

TIA
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 05:07:46 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

MICHAEL FRISCH wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Got a question,
>
> I just went down to the DMV to register my girlfriends Escort,
> and was told that I would have to pay a "Impact Fee" ($300) since her
> car was from out of state and it would not conform to CA smog laws.

Yep
> But even when I pay the impact fee, I still have to smog it every year.

Yep
> Now the car has a sticker under the hood that said it conforms to
> U.S. EPA regulation as of that time. (its a '95 4 banger)

Yep
> OK, now the question.
>
> If it conforms to EPA regs, why the impact fee, and why then would the
> EPA have regs, seeing as every other state has its own laws?
>
> And why am I paying the impact fee and then on top, going to smog it
> every year?
>
> something smells funny and its not the brake fluid
> I wanted to go postal, but I was at the DMV.

Ought to change the DMV to DMZ :)

> Anyone got any ideas about this? Im confused and irritated at this
> point.

California smog requirements are stricter than those of the Federal
level. This is why when you look at a sticker price in the dealership
there will be a line with "CA emmisions package" and a price going from
$300 on up.

What exactly they do or add, I don't know but the underhood sticker
states that the vehicle meets California and Federal emisions
standards. This $300 impact fee is to make up for the added polutants
you are going to be putting into the California air.

> Thanks
> Mike

Welcome to California
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 05:14:31 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!]

SLaG wrote:
>
> ps.it's a v8 automatic....anything else you need to know?
> just email me
> thanks..

> Subject: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!

> hey..
> yes...i am new to this 4wheeling thing...so please bear with me.
> i thought i would try and lock down the 4 wheel drive today for the
> first time just to make sure i knew how..
> so i jumped in the ol' 73 Bronco, took it in the backyard and proceeded
> the best i knew how.
> i locked the front hubs and everything....
>
> It made a funny kind of tick tick tick noise...
> and now i can't get the hubs unlocked ......HELP!!!
>
> please tell me i didn't break something....any advice is greatly
> appreciated...
>
> please reply by e-mail
> rasberry aaaa.net
> --
> ÐÏࡱá

First the tick tick tick noise is most likely the axle ujoints in the
front end. If you can get the t-case into neutral you should be able to
unlock the hubs. Sometimes the driveline bind will not allow the hubs
to disengage. Email me for more help if you need.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:18:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Puzzle

> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:07:09 -0700
> From: Jim Freyburger
> Subject: Puzzle

> want to keep my gas miliage high, but is there a big diff between
> the 352 and the 300... I will be pulling a 18 foot boat and driving
> to and from work.. Thanks for any input +-------------- Ford Truck

The 352 was a gas hog. I imagine it could be made to run cleaner but
the I300 can be made to get very nice economy. The question come up
when you say you want to tow an 18 foot boat. How heavy is it?

If it's light then the I6 is probably a good choice, get the dura
spark ignition for it. You can buy the whole thing rebuilt from auto
parts for $100 or so and cut a harness section out of a junk car or
truck for a few dollars. The Haynes manuals have good schematics on
how to hook it up correctly.

If the boat is a fiberglass cruiser (heavy) then the 352 is a better
choice IMHO and will probably give you decent economy when towing
compared to the I6 but will cost you when not towing so you have to
weigh these things and make a choice :-)

I have limited experience with the FE engines so am speaking from
experience with the 352's in stock condition. Some others may have
good advice on how to make them run well.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:22:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Drum to disk.

> From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:01:25 -0400
> Subject: Drum to disk.

> come from a truck with power brakes will they work with a manual
> system or does it have to be a power system? The reason I ask is
> that I know that all of the donors have been stripped of the power
> accessories. Thanks for your help.

I would hesitate to operate disk brakes without a power booster.
They typically require more pressure to operate and may not work very
well manually. I haven't actually tried it myself so not sure but
I've never heard of non power disk brakes?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:38:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: question!?

> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:41:47 -0500
> From: KEVIN
> Subject: question!?

> we did get a spark just at the point when youturn the key from
> "crank"to "key on "position but only then.Now we don't get that any
> ideas?

Sounds like the start circuit has an open in it somewhere. When you
turn the key to start you get full battery voltage to the coil. When
it's released to the run position it goes through a resistor or to a
section of the module which has a resistance to reduce the voltage to
about 8v.

On a ford this would be a wire coming from the starter relay back to
the module.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:44:54 -0400
From: "White, Ed"
Subject: FW: 1969 Ranchero

OK,
So I bounced this message a few times. I think I'm all set now...

Thanks for the posting help Ken.

Regards,
Ed White


- -----Original Message-----
From: White, Ed
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 1997 10:24 PM
To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
Subject: 1969 Ranchero

Hello to all,
This is my first posting to a list server so please excuse any
mis-etiquette.

I'm 33 and live in Lexington, KY. I'm trying to find out some
information about a
'69 Ranchero. My Grandfather bought it new in '69 and it still runs.
He is now
in his upper 80's. Someone stopped by his house and asked if it was for
sale.
He said no but has started to change his mind. We are not sure what it
would
be worth. I think it has about 60 k miles. Yes I said 60K. Can anyone
help with
the value or how to sell the truck to an enthusiast. We didn't think
putting an add
in the newspaper would be the best idea.

Please respond direct if this is allowed.

Any input would be appreciated.

Regards,

Ed White

ewhite ti.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:15:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Noise diagnosis (please)

> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:22:35 -0500
> From: Kevin Lindstedt
> Subject: Noise diagnosis (please)

> Strange thing happened on the way to work today. Pulled out onto
> the highway and "punched it", and then it started: clickita,
> clickita, etc.... Thinking engine problem, I dropped shifter into

Might be the flex plate, just a guess, my son broke one and it
clicked a lot before it gave up altogether. I had a module go out
once and it kept the fire to the starter after releasing the key and
burned up my starter. Couldn't hear it over the engine noise, don't
know it it clicked or not :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:34:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Spare Tire Carrier

> From: JonP27604 aol.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Spare Tire Carrier

> couple of things. The first is having the added weight behind the
> axle helps keep it down. The second is the spare acts as a vibration

I've always wondered why they don't put the battery back there too
for the same reason??? (actually I know why, cable cost)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:46:56 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Various

I think I got it this time(the correct address that is).
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10/01/97 08:49 AM ---------------------------

Azie Magnusson 10/01/97 08:13 AM

To: Fordtrucks61-79 listserve.net SMTP
cc:
Subject: Various


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Azie Magnusson 10/01/97 07:46 AM

To: Fordtrucks61-79-digest listserve.net
cc:
Subject: Various

Kevin L. I think you practically eliminated the engine when you put
it in neutral and reved it a couple of times. Not 100% eliminated, but
close. I'm betting on the U joint(s). Drop the rear one and slide the
front yoke from the tranny and give both joints the "ONCE OVER". If
they are not binding/rough/loose, then try the rearend. Good luck
anyway, and have a good trip. Brian F. The
390 can be easily made from a 352. I don't remember the bore on the
352. It is either 4.000" or 4.050". If it is 4.000 it will have to be
bored to 4.050", then slip in a set of 390 pistons and crankshaft. If
you want to go to the 410/428, then more is required. 410 bore is also
4.050" and the crank on both 410 & 428 are stroked 3.98". The main
thing in going to 410/428 is that they are balanced differently than
the 352/390. If you go the 410/428 route you will also have to use the
flywheel and vibration damper from a 410/428, as well as the pistons
and crankshaft. I'm going from memory here (and sometimes that isn't
so good) but all FE's use the same rod length. Not strength but length.
Oh yea I forgot. The 428 bore will have to be 4.130. (same as the
famous 406). Good luck.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:50:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:39:56 -0700
> Subject: Re:Noise diagnosis (please)

> >Strange thing happened on the way to work today. Pulled out onto
> >the highway and "punched it", and then it started: clickita,
> >clickita, etc.... Thinking engine problem, I dropped shifter into

Sombody just complained about a PCV valve rattling and last night as
I waited for the road crew the turn the sign around my bronco was
making a noise I never heard it do before and PCV came immediately to
mind with exhaust leak right on it's tail. When I got home and idled
it in the drive way it wasn't doing it anymore??? Forgot to look too
so I'll have to remember to look tonight.



The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:35:29 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

>
>If it conforms to EPA regs, why the impact fee, and why then would the
>EPA have regs, seeing as every other state has its own laws?
>
>And why am I paying the impact fee and then on top, going to smog it
>every year?
>
>
>something smells funny and its not the brake fluid
>I wanted to go postal, but I was at the DMV.
>
>Anyone got any ideas about this? Im confused and irritated at this
>point.
>
>Thanks
>Mike

Why, it's just another example of Your government screwing You.
If You look around, You'll find it happening every day.
You can bring your own K-Y, but they'll tax You extra for using it...



Steve Delanty


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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:35:36 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Ohm's Law

>How fast will a Chevy go in Furlongs per Fortnight?
>
>Dan Lee
>'53 F100 351C-4V


Hmmm, I think that depends on how many guys You've got to push it!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty


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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:09:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Window sticker info

At 09:39 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Got a quote today and made arrangements for our static cling
>>window stickers, quantity 100. Supposed to meet up with them
>>tomorrow and give them a disk with the design....
>>
>>However, at 5:00pm today I joined the ranks of the gainfully
>>unemployed. It'll be about a week or two before I'm employed
>>again (computer programmer) so the stickers are on hold till
>>then.
>
> I'm sorry about Your job Ken. That can be a real bummer. )-:
>
> I'll bet quite a few of us would be willing to send a "donation"
> for their stickers up front, with any amount over the cost of the sticker
> going to the "Help brother Ken in time of need" fund...
>
> Tell us what the stickers cost, and let those of us who are interested
> in one decide what we would like to donate to aquire one.
> You've certainly done an awful lot for us, keeping the list running
> smoothly, and there's no reason why You shouldn't make a little something
> on the stickers for all the trouble You've gone thru to have them made.
>
> That's how I feel about it anyway..
> Only 100 stickers? That doesn't sound like very many.
>
> Happy Motoring,

100 3x12 stickers, clear static cling type, one color: $140 +
tax. Additional colors are less and additional stickers are less
because a big cost is the screen setup.

If I can get a commitment from enough people to cover the costs
at.... how does $3 a piece sound, including shipping? That means
at least 50 people commit to it. I'll put the design on the web
site tonight so you can preview it.

As to my time of need, no worries, I'm in a high demand field
and I put away some cash from all the overtime in the last
month.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:24:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: GTE and AOL bounces

GTE and AOL have bounced almost all the email sent out to them
yesterday. It looks like they're ok now but that's the reason
why many of you didn't get list mail yesterday.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:23:21 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

Can you say 'Squeal like a pig!!??' 'Boy, he shur got a purdy mouth!'
I assume you're bringing a non-California car into CA. I got the same
raping when I came in. If you used to watch any of the game shows
(Price is Right) you might remember somehting like this "A NEW CAR!!
This 19XX Rice Burning Potatoe Bug has bucket sea............... AND
CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS" Yes You Guessed It Johnny!!! California has it
OWN smog standards and emission controlls [california smog laws suck].
And guess what, if you buy a new car you get to pay extra for these
state mandated controlls[california smog laws suck]. If you look under
the hood it probably says something about 49 state emissions[california
smog laws suck]. I believe the impact fee was designed as a deterrent
to people who would go out of state to get a better performing cheaper
car [california smog laws suck]. The impact fee is a one time charge.
The inspection is a recurring nightmare to make sure you behave yourself
while you in this fair state [claifornia smog laws suck]. No need to go
postal (I did consider it myself) they are #$&ing us all the same way
[california smog law suck]. In case you don't understand how I feel
about it CALIFORNIA SMOG LAWS SUCK!!!! OOH OOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!
(ala Sam Kinneson RIP).


_______________________________________
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:54:20 PDT
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: the smog police are coming

Hello Everyone,

Got a question,

I just went down to the DMV to register my girlfriends Escort,
and was told that I would have to pay a "Impact Fee" ($300) since her
car was from out of state and it would not conform to CA smog laws.

But even when I pay the impact fee, I still have to smog it every year.

Now the car has a sticker under the hood that said it conforms to
U.S. EPA regulation as of that time. (its a '95 4 banger)

OK, now the question.

If it conforms to EPA regs, why the impact fee, and why then would the
EPA have regs, seeing as every other state has its own laws?

And why am I paying the impact fee and then on top, going to smog it
every year?


something smells funny and its not the brake fluid
I wanted to go postal, but I was at the DMV.

Anyone got any ideas about this? Im confused and irritated at this
point.

Thanks
Mike

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason K. Schechner"
Subject: Re: [Fwd: please tell me i didn't screw something up this time.!!!!]

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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, SLaG wrote:

Did you take the xfer case out of 4wd? Put it in 2wd, which you
can do while moving without any problems as long as hubs are locked, and
by the time you stop moving the stress should be off the hubs so you can
unlock them. Also, do not engage 4wd in dry pavement - there's not enough
give between the asphault and tires to allow things to move smoothly.
More details available on request.

- -Jason
79 Bronco (351M, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - BGHOSS (coming soon)
95 Mustang GT - LTLHOS - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing
84 Kawasaki GPz550 - TNYHOS - to make up for the Broncos' appetite

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hey..
yes...i am new to this 4wheeling thing...so please bear with me.
i thought i would try and lock down the 4 wheel drive today for the
first time just to make sure i knew how..
so i jumped in the ol' 73 Bronco, took it in the backyard and proceeded
the best i knew how.
i locked the front hubs and everything....

It made a funny kind of tick tick tick noise...
and now i can't get the hubs unlocked ......HELP!!!

please tell me i didn't break something....any advice is greatly
appreciated...

please reply by e-mail
rasberry aaaa.net
- --
ÐÏࡱá


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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:34:00 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: RE question!?

I don't know much about the little C but here's an idea. On some
computer controlled cars the computer can enable the spark to the
distributor. A friend of mine had a ch**y that wouldn't start. Had
several mechanics look at it. The last guy noticed the dash lights (low
oil check engine etc) did not come on. Turns out the copper traces that
supplied the lamps were broken. The ECM did not see any current draw
from the lamps at start and would not enable the spark to the
distributor. I wonder how many Ch**ys were rightfully buried in a junk
yard for this one. Anyway my thought is that maybe something in the....

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