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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, September 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 241



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In this issue:

Re: Fuel tank coatings ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 351M Cam Timing ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Tires and Wheels [Jesus Cardoso ]
Re: BTU's 'R' us.. [Claypaul aol.com]
RE: Ohms Law [Tom Hogan ]
RE: need help! [Tom Hogan ]
weatherstriping [Jesus Cardoso ]
28 or 31 Splines [shoyt haleys.net (Steven Hoyt)]
Re: 28 or 31 Splines ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Ohm's law [sdelanty sonic.net]
Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column. [Keith Srb
FE Engines [Tom Hogan ]
RE: 28 or 31 Splines [Sleddog ]
RE: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column. [Sleddog
RE: 28 or 31 Splines [Sleddog ]
Helping hand [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
Fuel tank coatings [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
RE: FE Engines [DC Beatty ]
Re: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column. ["George Shepherd]
Re: Stock rim/tire size? [FORDTRKNUT aol.com]
fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #240 [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
OK, its my turn to ask..... ["MICHAEL FRISCH" ]

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:25:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Fuel tank coatings

> From: Randy Collins
> Subject: Re: Fuel tank coatings
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:23:18 -0700

> Any advise on fuel tank coatings? (favorite types, etc?)
> Should I even bother?

Why not get a polypropyline tank and be done with it? By the time
you take it off and buy all the coating stuff and recoat and recoat
you could have this solved forever. It will out last the truck and
it's owner no doubt?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:27:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 351M Cam Timing

> From: Tom Hogan
> Subject: RE: 351M Cam Timing
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:56:40 -0700

> My last issue of Hot Rod had a pretty good tip for setting cam
> timing. In addition to a timing wheel they suggested to us a
> compression tester and crank the engine a few turns. Whichever
> setting yeild the highest pressure is the best to use. I don't know
> how this would affect detonation etc. Just passing it on.

I'd be a little skeptical of this idea since there are varying
amounts of overlap which increase cylinder filling at higher rpms and
wouldn't necessarily make the best pressure at cranking speeds when
properly timed although it's possible I suppose and even makes a
little sense. I'm still skeptical tho :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:43:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Tires and Wheels

Hello Everyone,

I am sorry for asking this question again, but I have not found
the answer for it yet;
Does anyone know what are the tire and wheel sizes that the '63
F100, 1/2 ton trucks came with originally? I am specially looking for the
tire size so I can order a speedo gear from Obsolete.
Once again thank you for your help.

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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso

:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claypaul aol.com
Subject: Re: BTU's 'R' us..

A quick check on the bypass hose is to clamp a pair of appropriately sized
vice-grips to squeeze the hose to the desired restriction and test drive
it.... just a thought.

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:59:09 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: RE: Ohms Law

You could try a memory trick my electronics instructor (yes I'm a
techno-geek) gave me:
Ohm's Law E=IR (sounds like 'EAR')
Watt's Law P=IE (sounds like 'PIE')
The trick:
"Be careful or you'll get a P=IE (pie) in your E=IR (ear)!"

It's a stupid trick I know but I still use it and its one of the few
things I remember from school!
__________________________________________________

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:20:36 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Ohms Law

Steve,

Thanks for the refresher. A few weeks ago I was trying to do some
electrical math and could not for the life of me remember. I am going to
save your E-Mail so I can refer back in the future.


Really, I am serious!

Dana

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:39:39 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: RE: need help!

Do you mean your site or the numbnuts with the www.fordtrucks.com site?
I stumbled across the other guy's site while looking for one like this
one. Like you said, no value to that site at all. All I can think is
he wants to sell the site to FOMOCO. Good luck. They probably found
out what he was doing and told him to *!$ and went and registered
another url. Oh well, maybe he'll get tired of paying to register a
space no one wants to buy from him and either give it up or do something
productive with it. Seems funny that he still has his site and you got
a major offer from a company wanting something with substance. Even if
you decided not to take them up on it, it shows you've done something
good and others recognize it. Way to go Ken!!

_________________________________________
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:11:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: re: need help!


By now you're all probably screaming "WHAT'S THE ADDRESS!!!???"
...... http://www.ford-trucks.com
Someone else got www.fordtrucks.com before I did and all they want
the address for is to sell it. The chump actually believes someone
will pay $100,000 (yes, 5 zeros) for it! Let me know what you think
of the site.

Later,
Ken

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:23:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: weatherstriping

Hi Everyone,

I am planning to do the door weatherstriping on my '63. Does
anyone have any tips? What to do what not to do, etc.
I have never done this before so a little advice would be
appreciated. Thanks.

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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
1963 F100 (292, 3-speed T87E, LWB flareside)
:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:37:10 -0700
From: shoyt haleys.net (Steven Hoyt)
Subject: 28 or 31 Splines

I know someone talked about this before, but I can't find the post. Is
there an easy way to tell from the outside if your 9" rearend is 28 or
31 spline? I really want to get away from the 3:70 gears I have now and
a pumpkin swap appears to be the easiest/cheapest way to go.

Steve Hoyt
'62 F100 Unibody
292, Ford-o-Matic

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 28 or 31 Splines

> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:37:10 -0700
> From: shoyt haleys.net (Steven Hoyt)
> Subject: 28 or 31 Splines

> I know someone talked about this before, but I can't find the post.
> Is there an easy way to tell from the outside if your 9" rearend is
> 28 or 31 spline? I really want to get away from the 3:70 gears I
> have now and a pumpkin swap appears to be the easiest/cheapest way
> to go.

The only way I know is to pull one of the axles. Take off the 4 nuts
and use a slide hammer puller to pop the axle out so you can look at
the end. If it's necked down at the bearing and again at the spline
it's almost certainly a 28. If it pretty much tapers right from the
bearing down to the splines it's probably a 31. The 31 is a much
larger diameter as well.

Be very carefull when you put it back in so you don't pinch the seal
apron and tear it, it's very easy to screw up :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:53:03 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Ohm's law

>Steve,
>
>Thanks for the refresher. A few weeks ago I was trying to do some
>electrical math and could not for the life of me remember. I am going to
>save your E-Mail so I can refer back in the future.
>
>Really, I am serious!
>
>Dana


Wow, You get an "A" just for being awake in class!
I know some people don't use this stuff often enough to remember it,
and many have probably never learned it at all... Many don't care,
but it can be really handy if You need it! (got a truck to fix...)

For those of You who "forgot", here's ohms law in its various forms:

[Ford Truck content: The following formulae appear to work fine on
my '71 F100...] (was that good enough Ken?)

First, the symbols:
I = Amps
R = resistance (in ohms)
E = volts
P = Power (in watts)

Then the formulae:

Ohms law:
I = E / R
R = E / I
E = I * R

Watt's law:
P = E * I
P = I(squared) * R
P = E(squared) / R

Horsepower conversion:
1 HP = 746 watts (or .746KW)
1000 watts (1KW) = 1.34 HP
(remember, these assume 100% efficient conversion... good luck!)

Other HP formulae:
1 HP = 33,000 ft-lbs per minute.

If You had to lift a known amount of weight a particular distance in
a given amount of time, You could calculate the required HP from:

HP = (D * W) / (33,000 * t)

where: D = distance raised (in feet)
W = weight (in lbs.) [or force to be overcome in lbs]
t = time (in minutes)


Gee, if cars worked on A.C. instead of D.C, we could do inductive and
capacitve reactance formulae also... Aren't You glad they don't! (-:

Oh well, enough fun. Class dismissed...

(Next weeks homework question: "How many Angstroms in a Furlong"?)

Happy motoring,




Steve Delanty


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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:12:27 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column.

Yesterday, on my 74 F250, the shift lever for the automatic transmission broke
off of the shift tube in the steering column. Now I either have to replace the
shift tube, or replace the entire steering column.

If you were in this situation which would you do?

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:56:13 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: FE Engines

Anybody know of a good resource for info on building FEs for
performance? Specifically 390 cid but I think mods that apply to one
would apply to the whole family.

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:05:33 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 28 or 31 Splines

no, not from the outside. it is not too hard too pull an axle to find out
though. just romove the wheel and brake drum first, then youell see 4
bolts holding the end on. thru the axle flange there should be a hole thru
which a socket will fit. remove these 4 nuts and the axle should just
slide out. if it doesn't, you can pry it out gently using the small plate
that the bolts go thru that holds the axle to the housing.

after the axle is out, count the splines on the end. reassemble reverse
order. should take about 1/2 hr if everything goes well. unless you are
going with used parts, just swapping the ring/pinion gear set is cheaper
than the whole pumpkin. i picked up my last 9" axle complete except 1
brake drum for $50. new center section i purchased with detroit locker was
$800 if memory serves right. ring and pinion sets i think are about $150
new. if you go with the new ring and pinion (instead of the complete
center section) add the price up for the shims, and new berarings. is is a
good idea to use new ones if you already have it apart. set-up/rebuild kit
is i think $90.

sleddog

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From: Steven Hoyt[SMTP:shoyt haleys.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 7:37 PM
To: Ford Truck List
Subject: 28 or 31 Splines

I know someone talked about this before, but I can't find the post. Is
there an easy way to tell from the outside if your 9" rearend is 28 or
31 spline? I really want to get away from the 3:70 gears I have now and
a pumpkin swap appears to be the easiest/cheapest way to go.

Steve Hoyt
'62 F100 Unibody
292, Ford-o-Matic






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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:19:56 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column.

i don't know if this helps, but in my 77 f150 the small tab at the top of
the tube broke off. i ended up tig welding it back on. it lasted for a
couple of monthes then broke again. i tigged it again and it lasted a
couple of weeks that time. (i never was real good with a tig. or a mig,
or even a stick actually!)

after that, i replaced the shifter with a ratchet shifter and cable, bolted
to the floor. (i got it used for a song and dance, i am too cheap to get a
new one.) it still works after all my abuse and is alot easier to shift
than the 3 on the tree. except for the time on rt80 coming out of the toll
booth area at ~50mph when i accidently hit reverse (the engagement bolt was
too loose) while rowing the gears and filled the highway with tire smoke
and almost bit the concrete median. i think the people behind me where
more scared than i was though. i never let that happen again!

sleddog

ps-the c6 tranny never did feel the same after that.

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From: Keith Srb[SMTP:herbie netvalue.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 6:12 PM
To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
Subject: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column.

Yesterday, on my 74 F250, the shift lever for the automatic transmission
broke
off of the shift tube in the steering column. Now I either have to replace
the
shift tube, or replace the entire steering column.

If you were in this situation which would you do?

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"









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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:08:21 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 28 or 31 Splines

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 1:16 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 28 or 31 Splines


The only way I know is to pull one of the axles. Take off the 4 nuts
and use a slide hammer puller to pop the axle out so you can look at
the end. If it's necked down at the bearing and again at the spline
it's almost certainly a 28. If it pretty much tapers right from the
bearing down to the splines it's probably a 31. The 31 is a much
larger diameter as well.


my 31 spline axles have all had 2 step downs near the splines, and one at the bearing.


Be very carefull when you put it back in so you don't pinch the seal
apron and tear it, it's very easy to screw up :-)


oh yes, it does happen!

sleddog


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --





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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:38:43 -0700
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Helping hand

..snip..

> I Jim Strigas propose that we set-up a voluntary donation to the Ford Truck
> Club! Is there a second?
..a grunt of agreement is heard from the individual lurking in the dark
corner..

..snip..
> Ken needs to publish a PO box we can mail contributions to so his
> address stays discrete. They aren't very expensive and would work
> well for this type of thing IMHO :-)

Again, another excellent idea. It is nice for me to be able to come
home and learn about one of my favorite hobbies.. Ford vehicles! I have
spent (wasted) a great deal of my precious time on the Use(less)net,
wading through spam, and generally being assaulted by ignorant
individuals (see: rech.autos.tech, any Altavoz entry). It is refreshing
to have a collection of intelligent, knowledgeable individuals who are
willing to share information with even the most rank novice, without
prejudice, or hesitation. Thanks Ken for making the list available.
Thanks list members for letting me lurk and learn! Hopefully, I will
have something to contribute in the future.

Getting down to the brass, being a member of the list is a privilege
that I am willing to pay/trade for. I know it there isn't a fee for the
list, but if I can help out with a few bucks or something else to help
us all out, it'll make me feel a little bit more on the even side for
all of the things I have learned. Count me in for the two
recommendations above.

Phew! Thanks for listening, guys!

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:40:11 -0700
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Fuel tank coatings

Steve--

Try a local motorcycle shop for a tank sealer. I can't remember the
name of the one I used, but it seemed to clean up a rusty KZ tank well,
and is still in good shape. The one I used was a three part: (1)
chemical etchant to remove all traces of rust, (2) solvent, probably MEK
(Methyl Ethyl Ketone) to remove the etchant, and (3) plastic/polymer
goop to roll around the inside of the tank and seal it. It takes a
little while, and it will get you high as a kite if you don't watch it,
but the stuff is awfully tough, and supposed to last forever. If you
can't find it, let me know, and I'll make a couple of calls.

> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:58:07 -0700
> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Subject: Fuel tank coatings
>
> Well, I've got the bosch heater nearly installed in the truck.
> I built a nice little 2 gallon fuel tank for it that lives
> alongside the frame rail, but before I bolt it up I wonder if
> I should coat the inside of the tank to keep it from rusting?
>
> Any advise on fuel tank coatings? (favorite types, etc?)
> Should I even bother?
> It's made of clean, rust free 1/8" thick material, is it necessary to
> coat it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Delanty

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:59:17 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: FE Engines

Tom:
I have one suggestion. The book is called "Ford Performance" by Pat Ganah=
l.
Published by S-A Design books. ISBN 0-931472-05-9. =


For the FE, it tends to focus more on the 427, but it does go into depth =
in
regard to cranks, rods, heads, etc. for the FE block in general. There is=
a
whole mess of little details making it a very worthwhile book. $16.95 lis=
t.


Good Luck,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302


performance? Specifically 390 cid but I think mods that apply to one
would apply to the whole family.>>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:36:56 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column.

If I recall the 74 correctly, the steering shaft is solid(no safety
joints). I'd just replace the column with one out of the junk yard. I think
any 72-76 pickup will do.

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> From: Keith Srb
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
> Subject: Broken Automatic Shift Tube inside Steering Column.
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 5:12 PM
>
> Yesterday, on my 74 F250, the shift lever for the automatic transmission
broke
> off of the shift tube in the steering column. Now I either have to
replace the
> shift tube, or replace the entire steering column.
>
> If you were in this situation which would you do?
>
> Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
> Mesa, AZ
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
> 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
> My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: Re: Stock rim/tire size?

The stock rims on a 1979 F-350 4x4 were real wide...I think they were 9-1/2"
wide. The january 1979 issue of Four Wheeler Magizine have a listing of rims
of 9-1/2" wide.....Good luck they are hard to find.

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:11:00, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #240

I have a '53 F100 with a '71 351C-4V a C6 and 9" Rear. I would like
to be on both lists, '60 and older as well as 61-79.

Dan

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:20:04 PDT
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: OK, its my turn to ask.....

Hey Guys,

Im new but have answered a few posts. So I just wanted to say HI!
and ask my Newbie questions..

This is what I got:
'70 F100 stepside short bed (I do mean short!!..;)
300cid S6 w/ a c-4 (3 on the tree)

So to make this quick.. here we goooo...

1) What I would like to do is get rid of the vacume lines.
Possably put an electrical ignition. Get rid of some of the
smog devices, like the block under the carb w/ 3 outlits 2 of
which are already pluged.

2) Does anyone have an opinion on monoleaf springs on the rear?
....

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