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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Tue, 09 May 2000 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #94 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 08 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 094 In This Issue: Re: 462 Lincoln motor 462 Motor Nice ones Aligning a 4x4 Re: 462 Motor Re: Aligning a 4x4 Re: Aligning a 4x4 Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Re: Holley Carb problem Re: Aligning a 4x4 Re: Aligning a 4x4 Re: Aligning a 4x4 Re: Aligning a 4x4 1964 1ton for Sale scalawags??? Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE Strangling an FE Waterneck! Re: 1964 1ton for Sale Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Re: Horsepower for 460 Ford? Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! the oddest power stering pump problem Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Fw: Azie's back on line Re: Fw: Azie's back on line Re: Fw: Azie's back on line Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brazzadog aol.com Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:09:07 EDT Subject: Re: 462 Lincoln motor In a message dated 5/8/2000 10:01:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, listar ford-trucks.com writes: > From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" > > Ben, the MEL (Mercury, Edsal, Lincoln) engines were built to move very heavy (snip) > Have I been any help? Hope so. :-) Heck yeah. That's more than I knew before. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:51:41 -0500 From: Dwight Comfort Subject: 462 Motor Subject: [61-79-list] 462 Lincoln motor > I'm wondering if the 462 would have the same tranny bolt pattern as a 460,or > my 351M, or what. I'm not sure what kind of motor swaps I might entertain in > which vehicle sometime in the very distant future, but I'd like to know what > my options might be if I bought it. > > I'd be interested in any information about the 462 as I know absolutely > nothing about it. Oh wait, I know that the fuel pump is conveniently located > at the top, front of the motor. > > Ben Williams > '71 Wagoneer > '78 F-250 4x4 > ========================================================== >Ben, the MEL (Mercury, Edsal, Lincoln) engines were built to move very heavy >cars. The actual horse power of these engines is probably pretty low, but >they probably have killer torque curves. As far as I know, these engines >have their very own bellhousing pattern, so any vehicle they are put in will >have to accomodate a tranny, too. >I think I've heard of the 430 and the 460?? as factory engines, but I'm not >real sure. As far as performance parts for these engines go, whatever you >want, you build. No performance parts are available, as far as I know. Also, >I seem to remember someone saying that the combustion chambers for these >motors are in the piston, much like the Ch*vy 348 and 409. Not sure if it's >true or not. Have I been any help? Hope so. :-) >Jason >390fe Ben, I had a '58 Merc 4door Hardtop in the seventies that had a little brother to the 462, a 383 Mercury. As was stated by Jason, the engine is either a bored 430 or a stroked one. I am not sure which. The 383, 430, and 462 were in the same family. I did a valve job on the 383 and they are different from later engines in that the combustion chamber is in the cylinder. The valves lie flat on the head. The block deck above the pistons is about 15 degrees from being square with top of piston which gives you a triangular chamber area. One thing I remember hearing at the time I did my valve job was to not run it without having the manifold and exhaust pipes connected as it could wreck a hot valve if cool air comes back at it up a manifold only exhaust. They were apparently susceptible to this. Mine had good power, in the 4800 lb car, as I recall. It had dual exhaust with Hollywood mufflers. Dwight Comfort 75 Ford F250 SC LWB Ranger 460-4bbl ------------------------------ From: "Sean O'Malley" Subject: Nice ones Date: Mon, 8 May 100 14:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Saw a couple of nice old trucks last night. A '58 for sale in Lancaster OH (sorry, I don't know enough about old Fords to be able to say what model it was), looked to be in pretty good shape. They wanted ~3300 for it. And an absolutely pristine '68 (my guess, based on grille) "Sport Custom" (I think I got that right). Lots of chrome/black factory trim and what looked like a factory camper shell, or at least a well-matched original-era shell. This one wasn't for sale. Judging from the driver and the general condition of the truck, I don't doubt that this vehicle probably has about ~30K miles on it. Other than gravel road dust on the tires, this thing could have been sitting in a time warp showroom. --sean ------------------------------ From: "Sean O'Malley" Subject: Aligning a 4x4 Date: Mon, 8 May 100 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate a "pull"? Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right. Seems logical on the one hand, but it's disconcerting how quickly I'm destroying the front tires (wear all on one side). Is that just a "feature" of this system? --sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:46 -0500 Subject: Re: 462 Motor From: "John LaGrone" > One thing I remember hearing > at the time I did my valve job was to not run it without having the > manifold and exhaust pipes connected as it could wreck a hot valve if > cool air comes back at it up a manifold only exhaust. They were > apparently susceptible to this. Dwight, This could be a problem on any internal combustion engine running open pipes. Most folks run open pipes only long enough to see if the engine will fire thus creating little risk of valve damage. A very long run to the muffler shop on a new engine and a cold day could be another matter. Now for a question: Was 462 as big as this family went, or was there a 490? -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:01:23 GMT Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 >Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate >a "pull"? No, probably not. > Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop >my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front >only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right. > Is that just a >"feature" of this system? > Its a "feature" in the sense that most shops today don't know how or won't fix the front end like its supposed to be. I recently learned that you're actually supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's wrong with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint bushings to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the correct settings ... I'd call around to truck alignment shops, turns out supposedly one of the best in the Q.C. at doing big rigs will align even a half ton 4x4 ... you can bet I'll try and get my truck in there ASAP after getting my new axle put under it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:09:19 -0700 Wish wrote: "I recently learned that you're actually supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's wrong with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint bushings to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the correct settings ..." Minor point of correction, wish... Shimming a solid axle (shims go between spring perch and axle) adjusts CASTER. Offset bushings are needed to adjust CAMBER and will affect caster readings, although to a lesser degree than axle shimming. I do agree he's got a camber problem and it CAN be fixed (assuming the axle isn't bent) and the shop is either ignorant or just doesn't want to bother with doing the job the correct way as it is time-consuming and isn't as profitable... Rich ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:12:37 -0700 > On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carver wrote: > > > '61 Econoline Pickup > > being new to this list, and early ford trucks in general, _and_ in the > market for a truck (the '67 stepside had enough rust to give > me nightmares > for weeks), somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup > is? or, point > me to a site with pics of one? Imagine a van from the early 60s and make it into a pickup. Available from the factory. Sort of a small cab over engine (COE) truck. > > or alternatively, tell me that massive amounts of rust are the easiest > thing in the world to cure on a '67 truck ;-). > > thanks > > scott > Wish I could Scott. If the frame is solid then hood, inner/outer fenders and bed swap pretty easy. If it is in the cab then cutting it out and replacing with good metal can get expensive. Good luck. Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Lee Subject: Re: Holley Carb problem Gary, Check the fuel pump pressure. It should be between 5 and 7 lbs. Excessive pressure will blow the needle valve open. Holleys are sensitive to this. Did you replace the fuel pump recently? Could be a bad pump. Many pump rebuilders don't test for this. Dan Lee '53 F100 400C-4V >From: "Gary L. Perry" >Subject: Holley Carb problem >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:23:09 -0500 >I have a Big truck engine with a 2-barrell Holley that >leaks all-over, even out the air vents on top >when it's running. I have tried a kit and still the >same. I had a different float level adjuster set-up >than what was in kit, guess just update. Seems I need >the seat to be almost closed B-4 it stops leaking. I'm >wondering if float is too heavy? Parts man took >in back of store and "claims" he weighed it and was to >specs from "his book". Most auto stores don't have >float scales anymore or don't wanna bother maybe. Must >not be as common a test as used to be. I'ld like to >put in a clear veiw level window. Not many stores in >my area have much for Holley parts and their web-site >wasn't easy to navigate. Any recommedations? >Forgot this is a 76 HD359 engine, with governor and >two vac lines to distributor. >Thanx. "G" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:30:45 -0500 From: Freewheel Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 One thing they should check it that the axle is straight and that the axle has not slipped back or forward in the spring shackles. This will cause a truck to pull and wear tires fairly rapidly. Larry At 06:01 PM 5/8/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate > >a "pull"? > >No, probably not. > > > > Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop > >my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front > >only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right. > > Is that just a > >"feature" of this system? > > > > >Its a "feature" in the sense that most shops today don't know how or won't fix >the front end like its supposed to be. I recently learned that you're >actually >supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's >wrong >with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint >bushings >to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the >correct >settings ... > >I'd call around to truck alignment shops, turns out supposedly one of the best >in the Q.C. at doing big rigs will align even a half ton 4x4 ... you can bet >I'll try and get my truck in there ASAP after getting my new axle put under >it ... > >Just my $.02 >wish > >96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L >73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > >Ford Truck Enthusiasts >http://www.ford-trucks.com >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:42 -0700 >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Freewheel [mailto:lbrown53 bellsouth.net] >>Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:31 PM >>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4 >>One thing they should check it that the axle is straight and that the axle >>has not slipped back or forward in the spring shackles. This will cause a >>truck to pull and wear tires fairly rapidly. >>Larry Absolutely. A "thrust angle" alignment would detect this, but often techs will not do it on trucks (especially lifted ones) as it requires mounting and calibrating the alignment heads on the rear axle. What can happen is one side can shift forwards or backwards. What this does in effect is make the wheelbase from side to side unequal. If the tech just hooks the alignment heads to the front, the discrepancy will not show up as the reference from the rear axle is needed. Ever seen a vehicle "dog track" (front wheels not going in line with the rear)? The thrust angle being off (whether from a wreck or shifted axles) is the cause of that. Can cause funky wear as well... Rich ------------------------------ From: "Erik Marquez" Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:57:42 -0800 Well here is a minor correction to your correction :-) There is no spring pirch to shim on his 78, it's coil sprung, and shims that adjust camber can be had for a D44 (I have two sets, 1/2 deg & 1.5 deg sitting in my basement) they go behind the spindle, are tapered and can influence toe in/out depending on how you put them in. The biggest problem with using the bushing on then upper ball joint, is that bushing is adjusted in very small ammounts (1/8~1/4 turns) in order to get the correct preload on the ball joint. With the off set bushing, you have to adjust the preload and use the same bushing to set your camber/caster one or more settings will never be correct.. workable maybe,,, but never correct. Erik Marquez bronco78 alaska.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 Home of the BB decal -----Original Message----- From: Southerland, Rich To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:12 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4 >Wish wrote: > >"I recently learned that you're actually >supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's >wrong >with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint >bushings >to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the >correct >settings ..." > >Minor point of correction, wish... Shimming a solid axle (shims go between >spring perch and axle) adjusts CASTER. Offset bushings are needed to adjust >CAMBER and will affect caster readings, although to a lesser degree than >axle shimming. > >I do agree he's got a camber problem and it CAN be fixed (assuming the axle >isn't bent) and the shop is either ignorant or just doesn't want to bother >with doing the job the correct way as it is time-consuming and isn't as >profitable... >Rich > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:08:52 -0700 You are correct in your correction as I was unaware that the vehicle in question had a coil spring front suspension. I had assumed (obviously incorrectly) that it had leaf spring suspension. The shim method you mentioned is used to align the rear end of many FWD cars with beam axles (mainly GM). It is not a fun job, but luckily I didn't have to do them much as most people wouldn't pop for the $50-$75 per side (for shim and labor) to fix the problem. Also, good luck getting those offset bushings to turn once they've been in there a few years!!! -----Original Message----- From: Erik Marquez [mailto:bronco78 alaska.com] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:58 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4 Well here is a minor correction to your correction :-) There is no spring pirch to shim on his 78, it's coil sprung, and shims that adjust camber can be had for a D44 (I have two sets, 1/2 deg & 1.5 deg sitting in my basement) they go behind the spindle, are tapered and can influence toe in/out depending on how you put them in. The biggest problem with using the bushing on then upper ball joint, is that bushing is adjusted in very small ammounts (1/8~1/4 turns) in order to get the correct preload on the ball joint. With the off set bushing, you have to adjust the preload and use the same bushing to set your camber/caster one or more settings will never be correct.. workable maybe,,, but never correct. Erik Marquez bronco78 alaska.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 ------------------------------ From: "Robert Werner" Subject: 1964 1ton for Sale Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:23:46 +0100 I'm in West-central Michigan, right along the Lake Michigan coast. I forgot (apology) to mention that there's no bed on it right now, but I've seen some go by cheap in the classifieds on the FTE site. ------------------------------ From: "NP 540" Subject: scalawags??? Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:28:45 PDT > > >>things have been rather sterile since you Stu and Gary >>haven't been around to stir things up. > > I couldn't sit back and let youngsters take over. ;] As much as I'll >miss Gary and Azie I wish them well and hope they return soon. But >what's up with Stu? When he was doing his resto he posted every day. I >fear now that he's finished he's been going out cruising on the wrong >side of the tracks and hanging with roughnecks, thugs and scalawags. >"Turn away Stu and come back, before it's too late" > >or come and get me!! > > >Later! > >Deacon Euuhh.... What is a "scalawags"??? Being french-speaking (the only one on this list?), even if I speak english very well, there is still a few expressions that stumps me! Eck, it took me YEARS to figure-out what was a "pit-woopie"! I heard that expression in one of those Star-Treck The Next Generation episode. FTE contents: I bought ANOTHER 1978 F-100 the other day; almost all stripped down, but cab and bed floor salvageable! Now, if I could get some days off from work, I'd start fixin' my 79 F-150 4x4! My next buy: MiG welder!!! But anybody can recomand me if I should take gas or gasless? Vive le FORD! Gerry ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:32:53 -0400 I felt kinda stupid after I thought about what I wrote. The shim is a bad answer. I did call my machine shop and I'm going to get shorter push rods. When I put a straight edge between the exhaust vavle tips on the #3 and #4 cylinders and measured to the #4 intake valve tip, it measured .019 on the feeler guage. I'm calling the machine shop in the morning to tell them my find. As far as my heads go, they've been completely reconditioned by my machinist. New vavle, seats, springs, guides, seals, keepers...... Basically, the only thing that's original is the casting itself. As always, I appreciate the information. -Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE > > >Subject: [61-79-list] Adjustable Rockers on an FE >> Can I put a shim on the last stanchion near #4 to get the required >> clearance, shim all stanchions or order a shorter pushrod for the the >> exhaust valve? >> Any recommendations will is appreciated. >> -Ted > >> ========================================================== >Ted, my qeustion is why is the #4 exhaust valve so much taller that you >can't begin to adjust it? Is the valve recessed into the head? Anyway, I >think your best option would be to buy a shorter pushrod. If you shim just >one pedestal, you put a bind on the shaft. If you shim all of them, you >change your geometry. Just my thoughts........ > > Jason >390fe > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:00:24 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag tonight that I need the FTE help on! I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat) goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine, but falls into the hole in the intake! So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?! Help? Tony Marino redneck raex.com ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: 1964 1ton for Sale Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:56:33 -0400 I live in N.W. Ohio & I saw a 64/65 1 Ton for sale for $200. I saw it setting in a back yard but I diidn't stop and look at it.It didn't have a bed on it either. It was written in shoe polish across the front indow --$200. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Werner To: 61-79 list <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: [61-79-list] 1964 1ton for Sale >I'm in West-central Michigan, right along the Lake Michigan coast. I forgot (apology) to mention that there's no bed on it right now, but I've seen some go by cheap in the classifieds on the FTE site. >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:04:50 -0600 Your local parts store should have a larger thermostat housing & thermo in stock for under $10. I had the same problem when I converted my 69 F250 from a 360/2bbl to a 390/4bbl. It seems like I just told the parts clerk the engine was a 1964 390. Michael ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v > intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat) > goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I > had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine, > but falls into the hole in the intake! > > So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck > do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right > waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?! > > Help? > > Tony Marino > redneck raex.com ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:08:19 EDT Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! In a message dated 5/8/2000 11:09:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, redneck raex.com writes: > Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has > gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag > tonight that I need the FTE help on! > > I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v > intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat) > goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I > had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine, > but falls into the hole in the intake! > > So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck > do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right > waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?! > The right water neck is probibly your best bet. However, if in a pinch (as I often am, you can probibly make a work around if you are handy at fabricating things. Simply make a plate that matches the water neck (with the appropriate size hole for teh thermostat) and affix it to the manifold with rtv & gasket. Then place teh thermostat against the "reducer" you made and then the water neck with it's gasket. Im sure it would work and could be done neatly. Just a thought for what it's worth. George in Fl. ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:19:03 -0400 So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine, > but falls into the hole in the intake! what the heck > do I do now? > Help? > > Tony Marino > redneck raex.com > > ========================================================== hi Tony I just had this same problem not long ago PRIOR TO 64 the necks were large after that they were small EXCEPT for the 390GT SO get a new waterneck for a prior to 64 F/E and a thermostat as well and you should be fine gordon ------------------------------ From: SHill48337 aol.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:37:28 EDT Subject: Re: Horsepower for 460 Ford? In a message dated 5/8/00 12:55:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Randolph.Howard PSS.Boeing.com writes: << was wondering what the horsepower might be for this motor equipped as it is? It seems a little bit lacking but I have not owned one before. Suggestions for things to check? Thanks. >> The HP is somewhere around 230. 1972 has very low compression, retarded cam, and is down about 200 HP from 1970. However, the engine should have some pretty good torque and still move your 5000 + pound rig around smartly. Check the static timing around 10 degrees before top dead center. Since headers were added, the carb maybe running lean and this could drop power also. Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:21 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! > >I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a >4v intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the >thermostat) goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v >intake that I had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh >waterneck just fine, but falls into the hole in the intake! > >So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what >the heck do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find >the right waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?! > >Help? > >Tony Marino >redneck raex.comYou should be able to get the thermostat at any part store. I had the same problem with my 67 390. The necks are still available also. You might need to poke and prod the parts person to look it up but any car with a 390 before 68(?) should work. Or someone who upgraded to a newer intake might have one sitting on a shelf somewhere. Laters -- Don Grossman duckdon mac.com43 GPW 63 F-100 4x4 77 F250 99 Contour ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:38 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: the oddest power stering pump problem I have a friend who was complaining that is power steering was cutting out for hours or days at a time in his 73 F-250. He brought it over and it took me a few min's to find the problem some silly fool (not my friend) thought it would be a good idea to pour some sort of hardening white substance into his pump. It has covered everything like paint. I replaced the pump with another used one, but i am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to what i should try to use to flush out his steering box that wont harm the seals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:03:31 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck! You know- my best friend is a machinist, and I thought about that last night if that would work well, don't suppose there would be a market for those little adapter plates, now would there? In this list it's often hard to write messages that just say "thank you" after a question has been answered, and I wanted to say that to ya'll from the brake help, motor help, and every other kind of help that I have recieved.. It is very appreciated! Thanks! Tony Marino redneck raex.com(trying to make up for Stu!) His truck ALMOST be done! At 12:08 AM 5/9/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/8/2000 11:09:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >redneck raex.com writes:> > > Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has > > gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag > > tonight that I need the FTE help on! > > > > I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v > > intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat) > > goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I > > had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just >fine, > > but falls into the hole in the intake! > > > > So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the > heck > > do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right > > waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?! > > >The right water neck is probibly your best bet. However, if in a pinch (as I >often am, you can probibly make a work around if you are handy at fabricating >things. Simply make a plate that matches the water neck (with the appropriate >size hole for teh thermostat) and affix it to the manifold with rtv & gasket. >Then place teh thermostat against the "reducer" you made and then the water >neck with it's gasket. Im sure it would work and could be done neatly. > >Just a thought for what it's worth. > > >George in Fl. >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" Subject: Fw: Azie's back on line Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:08:41 -0500 Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and running and got back on line. Was sure a pain in the rear. Haven't had time to do a single thing on my Ford trucks yet. Been too busy catching up on other things. Going to go to breakfast this AM in my wifes '76 flareside. (FTE content.) John Nilon -- Got the package. You are absolutely too kind and thoughtful. Thanks. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Re: Fw: Azie's back on line Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:28:01 -0500 snip > Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and running and got back on line. Was sure a pain in the rear. Haven't had time to do a single thing on my Ford trucks yet. Been too busy catching up on other things. Going to go to breakfast this AM in my wifes '76 flareside. (FTE content.) > Good Lord, Azie you took long enough........just kidding. Now if we could just get Gary back this list would be a little more exciting. It is good to have you back. Paul Rozell 65 F100 460 C6 96 F150 SC 5.0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:10:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: Azie's back on line From: "John LaGrone" > Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and > running and got back on line. Welcome back, Azie. >Was sure a pain in the rear. I take you didn't buy a Mac. Do you have web access now? If so, welcome to Cyberland. You will enjoy all of the neat stuff to see and do especially the Ford trucks. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Alex Cook" Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:08:43 GMT >somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup is? or, point >me to a site with pics of one? > Scott, There are couple of wacky econoline truck sites on the web. For some pretty good pics of a nice econoline, and a bit of history, check out this link (make sure you scroll down): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wingsisp.com/emboss/econo.htm I wish I could tell you that massive amounts of rust on that stepside is easy to cure, but.... Good luck, Alex. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Godsey" Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:03:48 -0700 The Econoline is a indeed a van with a pickup bed. It is a unibody. If you are interested, contact me privately and I will sned you pics of teh one I have for sale. 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