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61-79-list Digest Mon, 08 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 094

In This Issue:
Re: 462 Lincoln motor
462 Motor
Nice ones
Aligning a 4x4
Re: 462 Motor
Re: Aligning a 4x4
Re: Aligning a 4x4
Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Re: Holley Carb problem
Re: Aligning a 4x4
Re: Aligning a 4x4
Re: Aligning a 4x4
Re: Aligning a 4x4
1964 1ton for Sale
scalawags???
Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE
Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Re: 1964 1ton for Sale
Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Re: Horsepower for 460 Ford?
Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
the oddest power stering pump problem
Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Fw: Azie's back on line
Re: Fw: Azie's back on line
Re: Fw: Azie's back on line
Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area

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From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:09:07 EDT
Subject: Re: 462 Lincoln motor

In a message dated 5/8/2000 10:01:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

> From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
>
> Ben, the MEL (Mercury, Edsal, Lincoln) engines were built to move very
heavy
(snip)
> Have I been any help? Hope so. :-)

Heck yeah. That's more than I knew before.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:51:41 -0500
From: Dwight Comfort tic.bisman.com>
Subject: 462 Motor

Subject: [61-79-list] 462 Lincoln motor
> I'm wondering if the 462 would have the same tranny bolt pattern as a
460,or
> my 351M, or what. I'm not sure what kind of motor swaps I might
entertain in
> which vehicle sometime in the very distant future, but I'd like to
know what
> my options might be if I bought it.
>
> I'd be interested in any information about the 462 as I know
absolutely
> nothing about it. Oh wait, I know that the fuel pump is conveniently
located
> at the top, front of the motor.
>
> Ben Williams
> '71 Wagoneer
> '78 F-250 4x4
> ==========================================================
>Ben, the MEL (Mercury, Edsal, Lincoln) engines were built to move very
heavy
>cars. The actual horse power of these engines is probably pretty low,
but
>they probably have killer torque curves. As far as I know, these
engines
>have their very own bellhousing pattern, so any vehicle they are put in
will
>have to accomodate a tranny, too.
>I think I've heard of the 430 and the 460?? as factory engines, but I'm
not
>real sure. As far as performance parts for these engines go, whatever
you
>want, you build. No performance parts are available, as far as I know.
Also,
>I seem to remember someone saying that the combustion chambers for
these
>motors are in the piston, much like the Ch*vy 348 and 409. Not sure if
it's
>true or not. Have I been any help? Hope so. :-)

>Jason
>390fe

Ben, I had a '58 Merc 4door Hardtop in the seventies that had a little
brother to the 462, a 383 Mercury. As was stated by Jason, the engine
is either a bored 430 or a stroked one. I am not sure which. The 383,
430, and 462 were in the same family. I did a valve job on the 383 and
they are different from later engines in that the combustion chamber is
in the cylinder. The valves lie flat on the head. The block deck above
the pistons is about 15 degrees from being square with top of piston
which gives you a triangular chamber area. One thing I remember hearing
at the time I did my valve job was to not run it without having the
manifold and exhaust pipes connected as it could wreck a hot valve if
cool air comes back at it up a manifold only exhaust. They were
apparently susceptible to this. Mine had good power, in the 4800 lb
car, as I recall. It had dual exhaust with Hollywood mufflers.

Dwight Comfort
75 Ford F250 SC LWB Ranger 460-4bbl



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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Nice ones
Date: Mon, 8 May 100 14:07:08 -0400 (EDT)

Saw a couple of nice old trucks last night. A '58 for sale
in Lancaster OH (sorry, I don't know enough about old
Fords to be able to say what model it was), looked to be
in pretty good shape. They wanted ~3300 for it. And an
absolutely pristine '68 (my guess, based on grille) "Sport
Custom" (I think I got that right). Lots of chrome/black
factory trim and what looked like a factory camper shell,
or at least a well-matched original-era shell.
This one wasn't for sale. Judging from the driver and
the general condition of the truck, I don't doubt that this
vehicle probably has about ~30K miles on it. Other than gravel
road dust on the tires, this thing could have been sitting
in a time warp showroom.

--sean

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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Aligning a 4x4
Date: Mon, 8 May 100 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT)

Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate
a "pull"? Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop
my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front
only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right.
Seems logical on the one hand, but it's disconcerting how quickly I'm
destroying the front tires (wear all on one side). Is that just a
"feature" of this system?

--sean

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:46 -0500
Subject: Re: 462 Motor
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> One thing I remember hearing
> at the time I did my valve job was to not run it without having the
> manifold and exhaust pipes connected as it could wreck a hot valve if
> cool air comes back at it up a manifold only exhaust. They were
> apparently susceptible to this.

Dwight,

This could be a problem on any internal combustion engine running open
pipes. Most folks run open pipes only long enough to see if the engine will
fire thus creating little risk of valve damage. A very long run to the
muffler shop on a new engine and a cold day could be another matter.

Now for a question: Was 462 as big as this family went, or was there a 490?

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:01:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4

>Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate
>a "pull"?

No, probably not.


> Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop
>my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front
>only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right.
> Is that just a
>"feature" of this system?
>


Its a "feature" in the sense that most shops today don't know how or won't fix
the front end like its supposed to be. I recently learned that you're actually
supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's wrong
with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint bushings
to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the correct
settings ...

I'd call around to truck alignment shops, turns out supposedly one of the best
in the Q.C. at doing big rigs will align even a half ton 4x4 ... you can bet
I'll try and get my truck in there ASAP after getting my new axle put under
it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:09:19 -0700

Wish wrote:

"I recently learned that you're actually
supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's
wrong
with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint
bushings
to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the
correct
settings ..."

Minor point of correction, wish... Shimming a solid axle (shims go between
spring perch and axle) adjusts CASTER. Offset bushings are needed to adjust
CAMBER and will affect caster readings, although to a lesser degree than
axle shimming.

I do agree he's got a camber problem and it CAN be fixed (assuming the axle
isn't bent) and the shop is either ignorant or just doesn't want to bother
with doing the job the correct way as it is time-consuming and isn't as
profitable...
Rich


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:12:37 -0700


> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carver wrote:
>
> > '61 Econoline Pickup
>
> being new to this list, and early ford trucks in general, _and_ in the
> market for a truck (the '67 stepside had enough rust to give
> me nightmares
> for weeks), somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup
> is? or, point
> me to a site with pics of one?

Imagine a van from the early 60s and make it into a pickup. Available from
the factory. Sort of a small cab over engine (COE) truck.


>
> or alternatively, tell me that massive amounts of rust are the easiest
> thing in the world to cure on a '67 truck ;-).
>
> thanks
>
> scott
>
Wish I could Scott. If the frame is solid then hood, inner/outer fenders
and bed swap pretty easy. If it is in the cab then cutting it out and
replacing with good metal can get expensive.

Good luck.

Tom H.

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb problem

Gary,

Check the fuel pump pressure. It should be between 5
and 7 lbs. Excessive pressure will blow the needle
valve open. Holleys are sensitive to this. Did you
replace the fuel pump recently? Could be a bad pump.
Many pump rebuilders don't test for this.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
>Subject: Holley Carb problem
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:23:09 -0500


>I have a Big truck engine with a 2-barrell Holley
that >leaks all-over, even out the air vents on top
>when it's running. I have tried a kit and still the
>same. I had a different float level adjuster set-up
>than what was in kit, guess just update. Seems I need
>the seat to be almost closed B-4 it stops leaking.
I'm >wondering if float is too heavy? Parts man took
>in back of store and "claims" he weighed it and was
to >specs from "his book". Most auto stores don't have

>float scales anymore or don't wanna bother maybe.
Must >not be as common a test as used to be. I'ld like
to >put in a clear veiw level window. Not many stores
in >my area have much for Holley parts and their
web-site >wasn't easy to navigate. Any recommedations?
>Forgot this is a 76 HD359 engine, with governor and
>two vac lines to distributor.

>Thanx. "G"



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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:30:45 -0500
From: Freewheel bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4

One thing they should check it that the axle is straight and that the axle
has not slipped back or forward in the spring shackles. This will cause a
truck to pull and wear tires fairly rapidly.
Larry

At 06:01 PM 5/8/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Is it true that the front end on a '78 4x4 cannot be aligned to eliminate
> >a "pull"?
>
>No, probably not.
>
>
> > Our local alignment shop told me that they couldn't stop
> >my wife's truck from pulling to the right because the solid axle in front
> >only allows toe-in adjustment, with no correction for left-right.
> > Is that just a
> >"feature" of this system?
> >
>
>
>Its a "feature" in the sense that most shops today don't know how or won't fix
>the front end like its supposed to be. I recently learned that you're
>actually
>supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's
>wrong
>with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint
>bushings
>to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the
>correct
>settings ...
>
>I'd call around to truck alignment shops, turns out supposedly one of the best
>in the Q.C. at doing big rigs will align even a half ton 4x4 ... you can bet
>I'll try and get my truck in there ASAP after getting my new axle put under
>it ...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
>
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>message.


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:42 -0700

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Freewheel [mailto:lbrown53 bellsouth.net]
>>Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:31 PM
>>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4


>>One thing they should check it that the axle is straight and that the axle

>>has not slipped back or forward in the spring shackles. This will cause a
>>truck to pull and wear tires fairly rapidly.
>>Larry

Absolutely. A "thrust angle" alignment would detect this, but often techs
will not do it on trucks (especially lifted ones) as it requires mounting
and calibrating the alignment heads on the rear axle.

What can happen is one side can shift forwards or backwards. What this does
in effect is make the wheelbase from side to side unequal. If the tech just
hooks the alignment heads to the front, the discrepancy will not show up as
the reference from the rear axle is needed.

Ever seen a vehicle "dog track" (front wheels not going in line with the
rear)? The thrust angle being off (whether from a wreck or shifted axles)
is the cause of that. Can cause funky wear as well...
Rich

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From: "Erik Marquez" alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:57:42 -0800

Well here is a minor correction to your correction :-)

There is no spring pirch to shim on his 78, it's coil sprung, and shims that
adjust camber can be had for a D44 (I have two sets, 1/2 deg & 1.5 deg
sitting in my basement) they go behind the spindle, are tapered and can
influence toe in/out depending on how you put them in. The biggest problem
with using the bushing on then upper ball joint, is that bushing is adjusted
in very small ammounts (1/8~1/4 turns) in order to get the correct preload
on the ball joint. With the off set bushing, you have to adjust the preload
and use the same bushing to set your camber/caster one or more settings
will never be correct.. workable maybe,,, but never correct.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal
-----Original Message-----
From: Southerland, Rich alldata.com>
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:12 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4


>Wish wrote:
>
>"I recently learned that you're actually
>supposed to shim the front end to get the correct CAMBER (which is what's
>wrong
>with your truck I'm sure) ... alternatively you can get off-set ball joint
>bushings
>to allow a couple degrees of play so that it can be rotated around to the
>correct
>settings ..."
>
>Minor point of correction, wish... Shimming a solid axle (shims go between
>spring perch and axle) adjusts CASTER. Offset bushings are needed to
adjust
>CAMBER and will affect caster readings, although to a lesser degree than
>axle shimming.
>
>I do agree he's got a camber problem and it CAN be fixed (assuming the axle
>isn't bent) and the shop is either ignorant or just doesn't want to bother
>with doing the job the correct way as it is time-consuming and isn't as
>profitable...
>Rich
>
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>message.
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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a 4x4
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:08:52 -0700

You are correct in your correction as I was unaware that the vehicle in
question had a coil spring front suspension. I had assumed (obviously
incorrectly) that it had leaf spring suspension.
The shim method you mentioned is used to align the rear end of many FWD cars
with beam axles (mainly GM). It is not a fun job, but luckily I didn't have
to do them much as most people wouldn't pop for the $50-$75 per side (for
shim and labor) to fix the problem.

Also, good luck getting those offset bushings to turn once they've been in
there a few years!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Marquez [mailto:bronco78 alaska.com]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:58 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Aligning a 4x4


Well here is a minor correction to your correction :-)

There is no spring pirch to shim on his 78, it's coil sprung, and shims that
adjust camber can be had for a D44 (I have two sets, 1/2 deg & 1.5 deg
sitting in my basement) they go behind the spindle, are tapered and can
influence toe in/out depending on how you put them in. The biggest problem
with using the bushing on then upper ball joint, is that bushing is adjusted
in very small ammounts (1/8~1/4 turns) in order to get the correct preload
on the ball joint. With the off set bushing, you have to adjust the preload
and use the same bushing to set your camber/caster one or more settings
will never be correct.. workable maybe,,, but never correct.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78

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From: "Robert Werner" postmaster.co.uk>
Subject: 1964 1ton for Sale
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:23:46 +0100

I'm in West-central Michigan, right along the Lake Michigan coast. I forgot (apology) to mention that there's no bed on it right now, but I've seen some go by cheap in the classifieds on the FTE site.

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From: "NP 540" hotmail.com>
Subject: scalawags???
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:28:45 PDT





>
>
>>things have been rather sterile since you Stu and Gary
>>haven't been around to stir things up.
>
> I couldn't sit back and let youngsters take over. ;] As much as I'll
>miss Gary and Azie I wish them well and hope they return soon. But
>what's up with Stu? When he was doing his resto he posted every day. I
>fear now that he's finished he's been going out cruising on the wrong
>side of the tracks and hanging with roughnecks, thugs and scalawags.
>"Turn away Stu and come back, before it's too late"
>
>or come and get me!!
>
>
>Later!
>
>Deacon


Euuhh....
What is a "scalawags"???
Being french-speaking (the only one on this list?), even if I speak
english very well, there is still a few expressions that stumps me!
Eck, it took me YEARS to figure-out what was a "pit-woopie"! I heard
that expression in one of those Star-Treck The Next Generation episode. FTE
contents: I bought ANOTHER 1978 F-100 the other day;
almost all stripped down, but cab and bed floor salvageable! Now, if
I could get some days off from work, I'd start fixin' my 79 F-150
4x4! My next buy: MiG welder!!! But anybody can recomand me if I
should take gas or gasless?

Vive le FORD!
Gerry


________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:32:53 -0400

I felt kinda stupid after I thought about what I wrote.

The shim is a bad answer.

I did call my machine shop and I'm going to get shorter push rods. When I
put a straight edge between the exhaust vavle tips on the #3 and #4
cylinders and measured to the #4 intake valve tip, it measured .019 on the
feeler guage. I'm calling the machine shop in the morning to tell them my
find.

As far as my heads go, they've been completely reconditioned by my
machinist. New vavle, seats, springs, guides, seals, keepers......
Basically, the only thing that's original is the casting itself.

As always, I appreciate the information.

-Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick mddc.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Adjustable Rockers on an FE


>
>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Adjustable Rockers on an FE
>> Can I put a shim on the last stanchion near #4 to get the required
>> clearance, shim all stanchions or order a shorter pushrod for the the
>> exhaust valve?
>> Any recommendations will is appreciated.
>> -Ted
>
>> ==========================================================
>Ted, my qeustion is why is the #4 exhaust valve so much taller that you
>can't begin to adjust it? Is the valve recessed into the head? Anyway, I
>think your best option would be to buy a shorter pushrod. If you shim just
>one pedestal, you put a bind on the shaft. If you shim all of them, you
>change your geometry. Just my thoughts........
>
> Jason
>390fe
>
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:00:24 -0400
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Strangling an FE Waterneck!

Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has
gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag
tonight that I need the FTE help on!

I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v
intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat)
goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I
had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine,
but falls into the hole in the intake!

So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck
do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right
waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?!

Help?

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 1ton for Sale
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:56:33 -0400

I live in N.W. Ohio & I saw a 64/65 1 Ton for sale for $200. I saw it
setting in a back yard but I diidn't stop and look at it.It didn't have a
bed on it either. It was written in shoe polish across the front
indow --$200.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Werner postmaster.co.uk>
To: 61-79 list <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 1964 1ton for Sale


>I'm in West-central Michigan, right along the Lake Michigan coast. I
forgot (apology) to mention that there's no bed on it right now, but I've
seen some go by cheap in the classifieds on the FTE site.
>==========================================================
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From: "Michael White" csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:04:50 -0600

Your local parts store should have a larger thermostat housing & thermo in
stock for under $10. I had the same problem when I converted my 69 F250 from
a 360/2bbl to a 390/4bbl. It seems like I just told the parts clerk the
engine was a 1964 390.

Michael

~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v
> intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat)
> goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I
> had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just
fine,
> but falls into the hole in the intake!
>
> So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck
> do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right
> waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?!
>
> Help?
>
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:08:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!

In a message dated 5/8/2000 11:09:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
redneck raex.com writes:

> Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has
> gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag
> tonight that I need the FTE help on!
>
> I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v
> intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat)
> goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I
> had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just
fine,
> but falls into the hole in the intake!
>
> So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the heck
> do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right
> waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?!
>
The right water neck is probibly your best bet. However, if in a pinch (as I
often am, you can probibly make a work around if you are handy at fabricating
things. Simply make a plate that matches the water neck (with the appropriate
size hole for teh thermostat) and affix it to the manifold with rtv & gasket.
Then place teh thermostat against the "reducer" you made and then the water
neck with it's gasket. Im sure it would work and could be done neatly.

Just a thought for what it's worth.


George in Fl.

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:19:03 -0400

So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just fine,
> but falls into the hole in the intake!
what the heck
> do I do now?
> Help?
>
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com
>
> ==========================================================
hi Tony
I just had this same problem not long ago PRIOR TO 64 the necks were large
after that they were small EXCEPT for the 390GT
SO get a new waterneck for a prior to 64 F/E and a thermostat as well and
you should be fine
gordon


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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:37:28 EDT
Subject: Re: Horsepower for 460 Ford?

In a message dated 5/8/00 12:55:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Randolph.Howard PSS.Boeing.com writes:

<< was wondering what the horsepower might be for this motor equipped as it
is? It seems a little bit lacking but I have not owned one before.
Suggestions for things to check? Thanks. >>

The HP is somewhere around 230. 1972 has very low compression, retarded cam,
and is down about 200 HP from 1970. However, the engine should have some
pretty good torque and still move your 5000 + pound rig around smartly.
Check the static timing around 10 degrees before top dead center. Since
headers were added, the carb maybe running lean and this could drop power
also.

Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:21 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!

>
>I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a
>4v intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the
>thermostat) goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v
>intake that I had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh
>waterneck just fine, but falls into the hole in the intake!
>
>So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what
>the heck do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find
>the right waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?!
>
>Help?
>
>Tony Marino
>redneckraex.com

You should be able to get the thermostat at any part store. I had
the same problem with my 67 390. The necks are still available also.
You might need to poke and prod the parts person to look it up but
any car with a 390 before 68(?) should work. Or someone who upgraded
to a newer intake might have one sitting on a shelf somewhere.

Laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdonmac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:38 -0700
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: the oddest power stering pump problem

I have a friend who was complaining that is power steering was cutting
out for hours or days at a time in his 73 F-250. He brought it over and
it took me a few min's to find the problem some silly fool (not my
friend) thought it would be a good idea to pour some sort of hardening
white substance into his pump. It has covered everything like paint. I
replaced the pump with another used one, but i am wondering if anyone
has any ideas as to what i should try to use to flush out his steering
box that wont harm the seals


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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:03:31 -0400
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Re: Strangling an FE Waterneck!

You know- my best friend is a machinist, and I thought about that last
night if that would work well, don't suppose there would be a market for
those little adapter plates, now would there?

In this list it's often hard to write messages that just say "thank you"
after a question has been answered, and I wanted to say that to ya'll from
the brake help, motor help, and every other kind of help that I have
recieved.. It is very appreciated!

Thanks!

Tony Marino
redneckraex.com
(trying to make up for Stu!) His truck ALMOST be done!

At 12:08 AM 5/9/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/8/2000 11:09:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>redneckraex.com writes:
>
> > Well, my ultra-tight cheek-squeezin' 390 rebuild kinda sorta project has
> > gone back together quite well.... but I ran into a little 1 dollar snag
> > tonight that I need the FTE help on!
> >
> > I put the 4v intake onto the motor, and it's a C5 casting, so it's a 4v
> > intake from a '65 motor.. Well, the waterneck hole (where the thermostat)
> > goes is HUGE compared to the waterneck off of the '70 2v intake that I
> > had! So what I get is a thermostat that fits into teh waterneck just
>fine,
> > but falls into the hole in the intake!
> >
> > So the question is: (and I dont' want to change intakes!) what the
> heck
> > do I do now? Run with no thermostat, or where can I find the right
> > waterneck, and a larger thermostat?!?!
> >
>The right water neck is probibly your best bet. However, if in a pinch (as I
>often am, you can probibly make a work around if you are handy at fabricating
>things. Simply make a plate that matches the water neck (with the appropriate
>size hole for teh thermostat) and affix it to the manifold with rtv & gasket.
>Then place teh thermostat against the "reducer" you made and then the water
>neck with it's gasket. Im sure it would work and could be done neatly.
>
>Just a thought for what it's worth.
>
>
>George in Fl.
>==========================================================
>To unsubscribe, send email to: listarford-trucks.com with
>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
>message.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Fw: Azie's back on line
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:08:41 -0500




Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and running and got back on line. Was sure a pain in the rear. Haven't had time to do a single thing on my Ford trucks yet. Been too busy catching up on other things. Going to go to breakfast this AM in my wifes '76 flareside. (FTE content.)

John Nilon -- Got the package. You are absolutely too kind and thoughtful. Thanks.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: Fw: Azie's back on line
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:28:01 -0500

snip
> Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and
running and got back on line. Was sure a pain in the rear. Haven't had
time to do a single thing on my Ford trucks yet. Been too busy catching up
on other things. Going to go to breakfast this AM in my wifes '76
flareside. (FTE content.)
>
Good Lord, Azie you took long enough........just kidding. Now if we could
just get Gary back this list would be a little more exciting.

It is good to have you back.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0



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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:10:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Fw: Azie's back on line
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Good morning Fellow AFTE'ers. Finally got that home computer up and
> running and got back on line.

Welcome back, Azie.

>Was sure a pain in the rear.

I take you didn't buy a Mac. Do you have web access now? If so, welcome to
Cyberland. You will enjoy all of the neat stuff to see and do especially the
Ford trucks.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Alex Cook" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:08:43 GMT


>somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup is? or, point
>me to a site with pics of one?
>

Scott, There are couple of wacky econoline truck sites on the web. For
some pretty good pics of a nice econoline, and a bit of history, check out
this link (make sure you scroll down):
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wingsisp.com/emboss/econo.htm

I wish I could tell you that massive amounts of rust on that stepside is
easy to cure, but.... Good luck, Alex.
________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Jerry Godsey" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:03:48 -0700

The Econoline is a indeed a van with a pickup bed. It is a unibody. If you
are interested, contact me privately and I will sned you pics of teh one I
have for sale.
Jerry Godsey
godzilla51prodigy.net



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