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61-79-list Digest Sat, 06 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 092

In This Issue:
Transmission options
Re: actualy
Supernats
Re: Supernats
Re: cool tranny
Re: what should be in it?
Me again
Re: 300 Six Interchange
Re: Supernats
'61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
460 4 speed is a reality
Re: 300 Six Interchange
Re: 300 Six Interchange
Re: 300 Six Interchange
75 F250 4x4 motorhome on Ebay

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From: "Deacon" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Transmission options
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 07:32:11 -0700

Back when I was looking up parts and info to rebuild the C4 in my
'73 F100 I came across Baumannator TCS which would allow us to install
an AOD-E in our trucks. Best of all the Baumannator TCS allows tuning
transmission shift points, line pressure curve and torque converter
clutch operation. via a computer running Microsoft Windows. You can see
more at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/index.htm . I didn't have the
money to do it but I wish I had.

Later!

Deacon

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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/



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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:11:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: actualy


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From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: Supernats
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:27:59 -0500

I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =(

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 10:07:20 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: Supernats


At 09:27 AM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =(
>==========================================================


If they were closer to Ft. Worth then they would be further away from us in
Indiana! :>) Hehehe...

BTW, check out "PRICELINE.COM" and see how cheap you can get plane tickets
into Knoxville. I've known many people whom have made offers and bought
flight tickets for under $100 to fly half way across the country. You can't
drive from Ft. Worth for that! Act quick though!!

Good Luck!!

Dan Herrmann



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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:20:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: cool tranny

it was pretty simple in reality. we had a mid 80's little mid sized Ford
LTD with a 302 C4 (a donor car). the tranny wasn't in all that great of
shape but functioned well enough. We simply took the tranny lines out
and routed it back into the transmission without going through a cooler.
there was a temperature sensor placed along this line to measure the
fluid temp.

Then we started driving the vehicle on the route we used for road
testing cars. (which includes accelerating and decelerating but not
stopping). the driver had a gauge inside to indicate how much heat the
tranny developed and within 37 minutes the transmission reached the
point that heat would be destructive to the transmission (250 degrees
was where it was stopped).

we pulled the vehicle in the bay and pulled the transmission and
converter. the converter was then taken to he machine shop where they
cut the converter open on a lathe, removed the stator, and welded the
torque converter pump turbine to the outer casing. (made it a locked
unit). then they welded the casing back together.

a couple days later we get the converter back and install it in the
same tranny and the same car. the same driver took the car around the
same route with the same driving style. (yes we had to give it a push to
get it moving before it could be dropped into gear)the original plan was
to shut it down when the tranny again reached 250 degrees with the
locked up non slipping converter instead. then we would compare times to
establish how much heat the converter had developed during the first
run.

we drove the vehicle for 4 hours (all the class time we had) the
maximum temp the transmission had reached was 196 degrees. at that point
the air flow under the vehicle was enough to cool the transmission.
maybe under extremely hard driving we could have made the transmission
heat up. that wasn't the intent of the exercise. we consulted with the
instructors and they told us that the same thing had been done a few
years earlier with another brand of vehicle with very similar results.

Laters, Danny Ling

P.S. Say hi to Mr. Williams for me... let him know my black and gold 289
powered Willys CJ2A is still alive and kicking. (if he's still there)
havent heard from him since 1992.


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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: what should be in it?
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:34:09 -0400

> Hey gang,, What should be in a 77 F150 as far as drive line..
> I know it has a 300ci motor and 4spd.. So does that imply
> (I have not seen the truck yet and the owner did not know)
> it has a NP435??

It might

> what other 4spd Trans came with the 300?

The Warner T-18 was also an option in the 1977 model year
It is very similar to the NP435 .. 4 spd with granny 1st,
absolutely bulletproof, heavy, tough ..
The NP435 and T-18 are direct interchange ... they both were
used in the same applications; it just depends on what they felt
like putting in at the factory.

> What TC is most likely behind a 4spd and 300?? It has locking
> hubs so unless it's been converted that takes away the full time TC.

In a 1977, you have a NP205 part time 4x4 transfer case.



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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Me again
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:14:38 -0700

Ah So!
I had my suspicions that this messing with Ford Truck had more in it
than just a source of transportation. Now it has been revealed, it is a path
to enlightenment.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.

From: "Deacon" ford-trucks.com>

When my fist clenches, crack it open
Before I use it and lose my cool
When I smile, tell me some bad news
Before I laugh and act like a fool




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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 20:53:23 -0500
From: Mike Schwall pop.flash.net>
Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange

At 04:49 AM 5/5/2000 , you wrote:
>had cast crank, rods, pistons. The 300HD was available from '61 thru present
>79 in F-350, F-600, and various industrial and agricultural tractors.


I have been thinking about using a 300 six in my conversion project. I
will be swapping running gear from my present '78 F150 LWB truck to a mid
'70's F150 4x4 SWB. I want to make it my primary offroad vehicle. Is
there any difference from the 300HD you mentioned and a 300 in an F150 say
in the '80's trucks? If so, what's the difference?

Thanks,

Mike


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Supernats
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:42:02 -0400

I live in Ohio,I wish there were some shows closer to Indiana also.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 11:15 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Supernats


>
>At 09:27 AM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =(
>>==========================================================
>
>
>If they were closer to Ft. Worth then they would be further away from us in
>Indiana! :>) Hehehe...
>
>BTW, check out "PRICELINE.COM" and see how cheap you can get plane tickets
>into Knoxville. I've known many people whom have made offers and bought
>flight tickets for under $100 to fly half way across the country. You can't
>drive from Ft. Worth for that! Act quick though!!
>
>Good Luck!!
>
>Dan Herrmann
>
>
>==========================================================
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>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
>message.
>


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From: "Carver" ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:41:29 -0700

I've seen it a few times before for sale, but this
time the house is also up for sale, so I think they
are serious about selling it. It's been under the
carport or in the garage for a few years. It has
the original paint, faded and a few dents, but it
looks to be in good shape. I stopped and got the
phone number, but the sign didn't have the price.

'61 Econoline Pickup, 530-477-0666

I could easily be persuaded to go and check it out!
It's located in Grass Valley, about 30 miles east
of Sacramento.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:59:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area

On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carver wrote:

> '61 Econoline Pickup

being new to this list, and early ford trucks in general, _and_ in the
market for a truck (the '67 stepside had enough rust to give me nightmares
for weeks), somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup is? or, point
me to a site with pics of one?

or alternatively, tell me that massive amounts of rust are the easiest
thing in the world to cure on a '67 truck ;-).

thanks

scott


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:29:08 EDT
Subject: 460 4 speed is a reality

Well folks Im almost done. After a week of workin on Dads projects, I
finally got to do some work on Tweety. I've got the tranny in, just need to
hook up the driveshafts, exhaust, and linkage. And then put the interior back
together. I did it all with stock ford parts too. First was the pilot
bushing. A 400 bushing fit in my crank, from what I hear I got lucky, as it
wont fit in all of em. Then the spacer plate, used the one from the 400, and
only used one as it was all I had. Then came the flywheel. I got one from a
390 and had it resurfaced, and a new ring gear pressed on. being a stock 74
460, it was neutral balance, so the flywheel will not cause a vibration.
Then came the clutch, I was going to use the stock 360 clutch setup for the
free 360 flywheel I got, but there was not near enough room in the
bellhousing. (Anyone need a 360 flywheel, freshly machined, new ring gear?)
I used a tip from Jeff, and went down and got a 400 pressure plate, diaphragm
style, and it fit fine, its also the larger truck clutch, versus the lil 360
clutch. A 400 pressure plate will bolt right to a 390 flywheel. Then came
the bellhousing. Its a 400 housing, from a Bronco. The tranny came next,
its a T-18 out of a 73 F-100 360. It went right in, like it belonged there.
The trans crossmember is going to have to come up about 3/4 of an inch, and
forward about the same. That comes tomorrow. Im beat. But I promise, after
I get all the burnouts outta my system when Im done, I'll write back and
finish this. Maybe even write a How to for the FTE site, so its on record.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
(and with a 460, 4speed, and 4.10 gears, this gonna be one nasty bird!)

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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:27:48 -0400
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange

The 300 HD's had a nodular block, and some had steel cranks. the other
difference that I've heard is the number of teeth on the timing gears,
along with all of the HD's had steel timing gears rather than the fiber
ones. Regardless, all of the parts from the HD's and LD's are
interchangeable.. 8-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com

At 08:53 PM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>At 04:49 AM 5/5/2000 , you wrote:
>>had cast crank, rods, pistons. The 300HD was available from '61 thru present
>>79 in F-350, F-600, and various industrial and agricultural tractors.
>
>
>I have been thinking about using a 300 six in my conversion project. I
>will be swapping running gear from my present '78 F150 LWB truck to a mid
>'70's F150 4x4 SWB. I want to make it my primary offroad vehicle. Is
>there any difference from the 300HD you mentioned and a 300 in an F150 say
>in the '80's trucks? If so, what's the difference?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:41:52 EDT
Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange

I was readin this post, and realized it said the HD discontinued in 79. This
is not true. My bros 84 F-150 has one. Didnt know it till we tore it down,
but the first sign was the steel timing gears. Then further disassembly
showed a nodular crank and rods. LAter, after some SERIOUS grease removal,
we found that the engine ID sticker on the valve cover said 300 HD right on
it. So they were still out there, just maybe not as readily.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:45:37 -0500
From: Mike Schwall pop.flash.net>
Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange

At 11:27 PM 5/6/2000 , you wrote:
>The 300 HD's had a nodular block, and some had steel cranks. the other
>difference that I've heard is the number of teeth on the timing gears,
>along with all of the HD's had steel timing gears rather than the fiber
>ones. Regardless, all of the parts from the HD's and LD's are
>interchangeable.. 8-)
>
>Tony Marino
>redneck raex.com

Thanks Tony. One more question for the list. How I can identify the
difference between a 300HD and a regular 300LD with an exterior
looksee? Is it that simple, or does it take a digital exam?

Thanks again,

Mike



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:28:56 EDT
Subject: 75 F250 4x4 motorhome on Ebay

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322101721

Follow that to what I think is probably the coolest hunting rig ever....


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