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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Sun, 07 May 2000 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #92 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Sat, 06 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 092 In This Issue: Transmission options Re: actualy Supernats Re: Supernats Re: cool tranny Re: what should be in it? Me again Re: 300 Six Interchange Re: Supernats '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area 460 4 speed is a reality Re: 300 Six Interchange Re: 300 Six Interchange Re: 300 Six Interchange 75 F250 4x4 motorhome on Ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Deacon" Subject: Transmission options Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 07:32:11 -0700 Back when I was looking up parts and info to rebuild the C4 in my '73 F100 I came across Baumannator TCS which would allow us to install an AOD-E in our trucks. Best of all the Baumannator TCS allows tuning transmission shift points, line pressure curve and torque converter clutch operation. via a computer running Microsoft Windows. You can see more at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/index.htm . I didn't have the money to do it but I wish I had. Later! Deacon deconblu ford-trucks.com deconblu earthlink.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ ------------------------------ From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: actualy ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: Supernats Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:27:59 -0500 I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 10:07:20 -0500 From: Dan Herrmann Subject: Re: Supernats At 09:27 AM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =( >========================================================== If they were closer to Ft. Worth then they would be further away from us in Indiana! :>) Hehehe... BTW, check out "PRICELINE.COM" and see how cheap you can get plane tickets into Knoxville. I've known many people whom have made offers and bought flight tickets for under $100 to fly half way across the country. You can't drive from Ft. Worth for that! Act quick though!! Good Luck!! Dan Herrmann ------------------------------ From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:20:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: cool tranny it was pretty simple in reality. we had a mid 80's little mid sized Ford LTD with a 302 C4 (a donor car). the tranny wasn't in all that great of shape but functioned well enough. We simply took the tranny lines out and routed it back into the transmission without going through a cooler. there was a temperature sensor placed along this line to measure the fluid temp. Then we started driving the vehicle on the route we used for road testing cars. (which includes accelerating and decelerating but not stopping). the driver had a gauge inside to indicate how much heat the tranny developed and within 37 minutes the transmission reached the point that heat would be destructive to the transmission (250 degrees was where it was stopped). we pulled the vehicle in the bay and pulled the transmission and converter. the converter was then taken to he machine shop where they cut the converter open on a lathe, removed the stator, and welded the torque converter pump turbine to the outer casing. (made it a locked unit). then they welded the casing back together. a couple days later we get the converter back and install it in the same tranny and the same car. the same driver took the car around the same route with the same driving style. (yes we had to give it a push to get it moving before it could be dropped into gear)the original plan was to shut it down when the tranny again reached 250 degrees with the locked up non slipping converter instead. then we would compare times to establish how much heat the converter had developed during the first run. we drove the vehicle for 4 hours (all the class time we had) the maximum temp the transmission had reached was 196 degrees. at that point the air flow under the vehicle was enough to cool the transmission. maybe under extremely hard driving we could have made the transmission heat up. that wasn't the intent of the exercise. we consulted with the instructors and they told us that the same thing had been done a few years earlier with another brand of vehicle with very similar results. Laters, Danny Ling P.S. Say hi to Mr. Williams for me... let him know my black and gold 289 powered Willys CJ2A is still alive and kicking. (if he's still there) havent heard from him since 1992. ------------------------------ From: "Serian" Subject: Re: what should be in it? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:34:09 -0400 > Hey gang,, What should be in a 77 F150 as far as drive line.. > I know it has a 300ci motor and 4spd.. So does that imply > (I have not seen the truck yet and the owner did not know) > it has a NP435?? It might > what other 4spd Trans came with the 300? The Warner T-18 was also an option in the 1977 model year It is very similar to the NP435 .. 4 spd with granny 1st, absolutely bulletproof, heavy, tough .. The NP435 and T-18 are direct interchange ... they both were used in the same applications; it just depends on what they felt like putting in at the factory. > What TC is most likely behind a 4spd and 300?? It has locking > hubs so unless it's been converted that takes away the full time TC. In a 1977, you have a NP205 part time 4x4 transfer case. ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: Me again Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:14:38 -0700 Ah So! I had my suspicions that this messing with Ford Truck had more in it than just a source of transportation. Now it has been revealed, it is a path to enlightenment. Pat Patsplace 77 F250 4X4 78 F150 W/Overloads 72 Ranger parts truck 79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction) 78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT. From: "Deacon" When my fist clenches, crack it open Before I use it and lose my cool When I smile, tell me some bad news Before I laugh and act like a fool ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 20:53:23 -0500 From: Mike Schwall Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange At 04:49 AM 5/5/2000 , you wrote: >had cast crank, rods, pistons. The 300HD was available from '61 thru present >79 in F-350, F-600, and various industrial and agricultural tractors. I have been thinking about using a 300 six in my conversion project. I will be swapping running gear from my present '78 F150 LWB truck to a mid '70's F150 4x4 SWB. I want to make it my primary offroad vehicle. Is there any difference from the 300HD you mentioned and a 300 in an F150 say in the '80's trucks? If so, what's the difference? Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: Supernats Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:42:02 -0400 I live in Ohio,I wish there were some shows closer to Indiana also. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Herrmann To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Supernats > >At 09:27 AM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >>I wish some of these Ford shows would be closer to Ft. Worth =( >>========================================================== > > >If they were closer to Ft. Worth then they would be further away from us in >Indiana! :>) Hehehe... > >BTW, check out "PRICELINE.COM" and see how cheap you can get plane tickets >into Knoxville. I've known many people whom have made offers and bought >flight tickets for under $100 to fly half way across the country. You can't >drive from Ft. Worth for that! Act quick though!! > >Good Luck!! > >Dan Herrmann > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "Carver" Subject: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:41:29 -0700 I've seen it a few times before for sale, but this time the house is also up for sale, so I think they are serious about selling it. It's been under the carport or in the garage for a few years. It has the original paint, faded and a few dents, but it looks to be in good shape. I stopped and got the phone number, but the sign didn't have the price. '61 Econoline Pickup, 530-477-0666 I could easily be persuaded to go and check it out! It's located in Grass Valley, about 30 miles east of Sacramento. Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Hall Subject: Re: '61 Econoline Pickup FS Sacramento Area On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carver wrote: > '61 Econoline Pickup being new to this list, and early ford trucks in general, _and_ in the market for a truck (the '67 stepside had enough rust to give me nightmares for weeks), somebody wanna tell me what an econoline pickup is? or, point me to a site with pics of one? or alternatively, tell me that massive amounts of rust are the easiest thing in the world to cure on a '67 truck ;-). thanks scott ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:29:08 EDT Subject: 460 4 speed is a reality Well folks Im almost done. After a week of workin on Dads projects, I finally got to do some work on Tweety. I've got the tranny in, just need to hook up the driveshafts, exhaust, and linkage. And then put the interior back together. I did it all with stock ford parts too. First was the pilot bushing. A 400 bushing fit in my crank, from what I hear I got lucky, as it wont fit in all of em. Then the spacer plate, used the one from the 400, and only used one as it was all I had. Then came the flywheel. I got one from a 390 and had it resurfaced, and a new ring gear pressed on. being a stock 74 460, it was neutral balance, so the flywheel will not cause a vibration. Then came the clutch, I was going to use the stock 360 clutch setup for the free 360 flywheel I got, but there was not near enough room in the bellhousing. (Anyone need a 360 flywheel, freshly machined, new ring gear?) I used a tip from Jeff, and went down and got a 400 pressure plate, diaphragm style, and it fit fine, its also the larger truck clutch, versus the lil 360 clutch. A 400 pressure plate will bolt right to a 390 flywheel. Then came the bellhousing. Its a 400 housing, from a Bronco. The tranny came next, its a T-18 out of a 73 F-100 360. It went right in, like it belonged there. The trans crossmember is going to have to come up about 3/4 of an inch, and forward about the same. That comes tomorrow. Im beat. But I promise, after I get all the burnouts outta my system when Im done, I'll write back and finish this. Maybe even write a How to for the FTE site, so its on record. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" (and with a 460, 4speed, and 4.10 gears, this gonna be one nasty bird!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:27:48 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange The 300 HD's had a nodular block, and some had steel cranks. the other difference that I've heard is the number of teeth on the timing gears, along with all of the HD's had steel timing gears rather than the fiber ones. Regardless, all of the parts from the HD's and LD's are interchangeable.. 8-) Tony Marino redneck raex.com At 08:53 PM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:49 AM 5/5/2000 , you wrote: >>had cast crank, rods, pistons. The 300HD was available from '61 thru present >>79 in F-350, F-600, and various industrial and agricultural tractors. > > >I have been thinking about using a 300 six in my conversion project. I >will be swapping running gear from my present '78 F150 LWB truck to a mid >'70's F150 4x4 SWB. I want to make it my primary offroad vehicle. Is >there any difference from the 300HD you mentioned and a 300 in an F150 say >in the '80's trucks? If so, what's the difference? > >Thanks, > >Mike > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:41:52 EDT Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange I was readin this post, and realized it said the HD discontinued in 79. This is not true. My bros 84 F-150 has one. Didnt know it till we tore it down, but the first sign was the steel timing gears. Then further disassembly showed a nodular crank and rods. LAter, after some SERIOUS grease removal, we found that the engine ID sticker on the valve cover said 300 HD right on it. So they were still out there, just maybe not as readily. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:45:37 -0500 From: Mike Schwall Subject: Re: 300 Six Interchange At 11:27 PM 5/6/2000 , you wrote: >The 300 HD's had a nodular block, and some had steel cranks. the other >difference that I've heard is the number of teeth on the timing gears, >along with all of the HD's had steel timing gears rather than the fiber >ones. Regardless, all of the parts from the HD's and LD's are >interchangeable.. 8-) > >Tony Marino >redneck raex.com Thanks Tony. One more question for the list. How I can identify the difference between a 300HD and a regular 300LD with an exterior looksee? Is it that simple, or does it take a digital exam? Thanks again, Mike ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:28:56 EDT Subject: 75 F250 4x4 motorhome on Ebay http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322101721 Follow that to what I think is probably the coolest hunting rig ever.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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