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61-79-list Digest Tue, 02 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 089

In This Issue:
steering collumn blues
Re: steering collumn blues
Re: just a girl???
Re: T-Case oil
Re: T-Case oil
Re: steering collumn blues
Re: Parts Houses
Warped from sitting ?
rag joint
Re: rag joint
Re: Carb Question....
Water Injection
Re: Water Injection
HELP!!!!!!
Re: HELP!!!!!!
Re: Water Injection
Re: Water Injection

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From: A61fordtruck aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:10 EDT
Subject: steering collumn blues

Hey guys,

heres a question for some of you that have swapped a later model power
steering into a 65-66 truck. I tried to install the steering box today and
alas, the stock collumn is 3-4 inches too long now. I did not consiter that
the stock manuel steering box is shorter than the new PS box. what is the
fix for this? do i have to swap for a later collumn, or is there a way to
shorten the original unit? I'd like to keep the original collumn if
possible, or, use the original wheel on the later collumn, which opens a
whole-nuther can of worms with horn buttons, etc... What says the list on
this one?

Greg Schnakenberg
61 stepside
65 custom cab (460 swap in progress)

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From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: steering collumn blues
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:33 -0500

When I put ps on my '70 F100, I took the center shaft out of the newer
column and used it in mine. Fit like a glove, although I wish I'd put new
bearings in it!
Jason Kendrick
390FE
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Subject: [61-79-list] steering collumn blues


> Hey guys,
>
> heres a question for some of you that have swapped a later model power
> steering into a 65-66 truck. I tried to install the steering box today
and
> alas, the stock collumn is 3-4 inches too long now.
> what is the fix for this?
I'd like to keep the original collumn if
> possible

> Greg Schnakenberg
> 61 stepside
> 65 custom cab (460 swap in progress)
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: just a girl???
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:41:05 -0400

Mel, I don't know a guy in his right mind that wouldn't help out a nice
girl in need !!! I bet that you have alot of boys/men that would give you
a hand in a heartbeat if you would ask them. Do you have a boy friend? if
you do,ask him if he would be interested in helping you. get an assembly
manual and go to work.
-----Original Message-----
From: A61fordtruck aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:33 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] just a girl???


>In a message dated 05/01/2000 5:17:21 PM EST, listar ford-trucks.com
writes:
>
>> Well, if I could...I would have a long time ago. I'm just a girl and dad
>> won't let me work on it...he thinks I don't know anything.
>>
>> ~Mel
>
>
>Mel, wait until he's sleeping, and get out your tools, an assembly manuel
>(look on ebay) call some strong boys over, and just do it. putting a truck
>together is like putting a model car together, only it doesnt take as long
>for the glue to dry! even as we speak, i am putting together my own 65
>custom cab. they are pretty straightforward.
>
>hang in there.
>
>greg
>
>61 stepside
>65 customcab, 460 swap
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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: T-Case oil
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:50:20 -0400

> I replaced the oil in my NP235 T-Case over the weekend.

NP205 ?

> I used Valvoline SAE-50 oil, but should I have used a
> non-detergent oil?

The detergents in typical motor oil are added for the purpose
of absorbing and suspending the acids and moisture that
result from the combustion process. In some cases, these
additives may or may not improve lubrication qualities.
Your transfer case doesn't *need* the detergents for soaking
up nasties, but it probably wont hurt anything if they are in there.



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From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: Re: T-Case oil
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 04:53:24 -0500

Check your manual, if you still have it, but off the top of my head
I'm thinking yes, you should use non-detergent. Detergent oils suspend
dirt particles to make it easier to filter them. Since a T-case has no
filter, you want the particles to precipitate out...

>>>>>>>>

Be sure to use magnetic drain plugs in any non-filtered application, trans,
T-case, rear-end. It takes more junk out than you'd imagine.

The oil I've put in my Dana 24 and NP435 is an oil designed for OTR(18
wheelers) trannys, Mobiltrans SHC50. It's fully sysnthetic and lacks the
sulphur you get in GL spec oils. I think the sulphur is bad for the brass
and tin in your syncros and causes erosion over time. I wish this stuff had
been around years ago. Eaton and RoadRanger specify it as specific to their
1,000,000 mile geartrain warranty. Amazing if you think of what an OTR
truck goes through in that amount of time.


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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: steering collumn blues
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:25:25 -0500


----- Original Message -----
Subject: [61-79-list] steering collumn blues


> Hey guys,
>
> heres a question for some of you that have swapped a later model power
> steering into a 65-66 truck. I tried to install the steering box today
and
> alas, the stock collumn is 3-4 inches too long now.
what is the fix for this? do i have to swap for a later collumn, or is
there a way to
> shorten the original unit?
> Greg Schnakenberg

Greg,

I installed power steering on my 65 as well. and I found the column was to
long as well. I removed my column and cut it down. I placed a bearing in the
end of the column nearest the gear box to support the internal shaft. Just
recently I replace the original column with a newer tilt column. I found the
tilt column a whole lot easier to "shorten" as it pulled apart in the center
of the column. I removed the lower end of the column housing, cut it down to
size and re-installed it. The internal shaft was made like a slip joint
where it would slide up and down. The newer column was a lot easier to
install than the older was to modify. Either way you go it can be done. Now
what I want to do is call Flaming river and see if they have a "chrome"
column that will fit my application.

Good luck.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 5.0 SC


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:53:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Parts Houses


>I ask him what motor is in the car, a 350, Bui*k,
> Ch*vy, Odds, or Pont*ac I ask, I dunno he says, what kind of car?
> Bui*k he says, It used to be a deisel, but now it's a gas 350,

*pounding head on desk* ... noo ... make the bad man stop ... *pound**pound**pound*
.

Ya'll are dredging up memories from the 2 months I spent as a "parts monkey"
the semester before I graduated. Some of this looks a little different when
you're behind the counter ... you'd be surprised how many people "know" exactly
what they want ...

One of my favorites was the guy who wanted an "idle air control valve" for an
87 Tempo ... one of the new guys couldn't find it in the book (this store doesn't
have computers for looking the parts up, still use the books to this day to
find the number) ... anyway he asked me and it just happened that Dad had an
87 Tempo so I knew they didn't have them ...
"Could it be an idle speed motor ?"
"nope, its a control valve"
"uhm, lemme see your car"
We walk out, sure enough, its throttle body injected hence no IAC ... we ended
up sending him back to his mechanic to try again, other parts stores? They
probably would've just noticed that the 88/89 Tempo's had them and he was probably
just wrong on the year.

Just one example of what you sometimes run into when you're on the other side...



Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: Warped from sitting ?
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:21:02 -0400

I need to know...after sitting for 2 years will the parts still be ok?
Will it be ok to put back together ? Could the cab or bed get warped
sitting like they are? That's what I'm discouraged about. ~Mel 1965 F100
Custom Cab...currently in 12,000 pieces :o(
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Hi Mel- I can tell you for sure that your parts won't be damaged from
sitting for YEARS as long as the weather doesn't get to them. My 64 F-100
sat for more years then I care to mention and it's finally going together
now. (I'll give you a hint...Reagan was bombing Libya when I pulled the
cab!! ) Never store a bed outside "temporarily" for more then 10 years !
They don't hold up very well, duh. And don't think or say I'm "just a
girl". Too many girls / women have done great things outside of what's
considered normal for women. If it's something YOU want, you do it, and
don't worry about what others say. I'd also add that there are probably a
lot of things you could begin yourself on your project. Everything you do,
even the "small" stuff helps move a project along. And remember the people
on this list will dive right in and lend advice if you need it. If you start
on it yourself, your dad may get interested again and jump right in. I wish
you luck. You'll really be proud when it's done.
Phil 64 F-100 (only 2000 peices now) / 63 Galaxie / 66 Mustang




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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:02:10 -0700
From: Mark Flynn earthlink.net>
Subject: rag joint

Howdy howdy,

Called the dealer for a rag joint for my '66 F250, and he said that
there was a choice of two part #s, depending on the s/n. Both are
special order btw. Well I can't find the s/n anywhere on the truck or
the engine.

He also said that one part# is for a pin diameter of 0.41" and the other
for pin diameter 0.56". But we don't know what "pin" the book is
referring too. The steering box shaft and steering column shaft diameter
is roughly 3/4", and the two pins that are in the rag joint itself are
significantly smaller than 0.41".

Anyone have a clue?

thx,
Mark
San Jose, CA


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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:39:56 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: rag joint

Do you have a title or registration? Your serial # will be on both of those
documents.
Jason

Mark Flynn wrote:

> Howdy howdy,
>
> Called the dealer for a rag joint for my '66 F250, and he said that
> there was a choice of two part #s, depending on the s/n. Both are
> special order btw. Well I can't find the s/n anywhere on the truck or
> the engine.
>
> He also said that one part# is for a pin diameter of 0.41" and the other
> for pin diameter 0.56". But we don't know what "pin" the book is
> referring too. The steering box shaft and steering column shaft diameter
> is roughly 3/4", and the two pins that are in the rag joint itself are
> significantly smaller than 0.41".
>
> Anyone have a clue?
>
> thx,
> Mark
> San Jose, CA
>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:33:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Question....

Brett,

Sorry about what Yahoo e-mail did to your nice chart.
Yes, you are right there is no diference between the
primaries on the 500 and 625 CFM. I didn't have access
to this data before. Another reason to buy a Carter
625 (Part 9637) is because it comes with Ford linkage.
I use a Carter 9755 (750CFM) on my 400, but I am more
interested in performance than gas mileage. I added
Ford linkage and an electric choke to that carb.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:48:18 -0500
>Subject: Re: Carb Question....
>From: Brett L Habben juno.com>

> ------------------------------

>Here's an AFB/Performer Chart (Please correct me if
>this is wrong):
>CFM Primary Venturi Secondary Venturi Primary
>Bore Secondary Bore
>+++ ++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
>+++++++++++++
>400 1-1/8" 1-1/4"
>1-7/16"
> 1-7/16"
>500 1-3/16" 1-1/4" 1-7/16"

> 1-11/16"
>575 1-1/4" 1-9/16"
1-9/16"
>1-11/16"
>625 1-3/16" 1-9/16"
1-7/16"
>1-11/16"
>750 1-7/16" 1-9/16"
>1-11/16"
>1-11/16"

>For what it's worth, here's my humble opinion on the
>500 vs. 625 arguement. Compare the primaries of the
>500 and 625 carbs. They are the same. The
>secondaries are what's different. Also, the
secondary >velocity valve ultimately limits secondary
airflow. >Given that
>information why buy the 500? Besides, you might want
>to stick it on another engine later on and you know
>how that goes: it's gotta be bigger.
>Brett
>Super75cab


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From: "Samuel L. Benham" acsol.net>
Subject: Water Injection
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:21:09 -0600

Has anybody run a water injection setup on there 390? I've been
considering it but am concerned that the introduction of water on a hot
engine might crack a piston. Is this a concern? Does anyone know of a
reputable company to purchase the kit from?

Sam


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From: "Josh Assing" jassing.com>
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:27:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Water Injection

> engine might crack a piston. Is this a concern? Does anyone know of a
I ran water injection on a 69 Charger R/T 440... Helped get rid of
the pings & felt like it ran a lot better. I forget who I got it from; but
it doesn't really inject water; it injects a mist or spray (of water, but
not like dumping a cup in it) The water heats up fairly fast; and is
used to slow down the explosion more than anything, if I recall
correctly.

It did seem like I rusted out my muffler faster than normal.


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From: "Curtis Crawford" pld.com>
Subject: HELP!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:27:32 -0500


Hello, I am relatively new to the list (2 weeks) and I now need your help. For background info, I drive a Yellow and White '78 F-150 Lariat w/ a 460 auto and am currently restoring it and need a part. What I desperately need is the Upper tailgate molding. It is chrome and black, and about 8 inches wide. The part has been damaged form many years of carelessness. I checked with ford, autokrafters, LMC (I like their catalog), and local salvage. Do any of you know where to get one in good shape (i.e. easily reparable) or have one lyin' around?????
Thanks
Curtis C


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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:34:17 -0700

www.dennis-carpenter.com???


-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Crawford [mailto:jdcrwfrd pld.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:28 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] HELP!!!!!!



Hello, I am relatively new to the list (2 weeks) and I now need your help.
For background info, I drive a Yellow and White '78 F-150 Lariat w/ a 460
auto and am currently restoring it and need a part. What I desperately need
is the Upper tailgate molding. It is chrome and black, and about 8 inches
wide. The part has been damaged form many years of carelessness. I checked
with ford, autokrafters, LMC (I like their catalog), and local salvage. Do
any of you know where to get one in good shape (i.e. easily reparable) or
have one lyin' around?????
Thanks
Curtis C

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From: ETRMK aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:48:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Water Injection

Im pretty sure that JC Whitney has some type of water injection setup for
sale in their catalog. The only one that i have ever seen up close and
personal was a setup from Edelbrock called Vari-Jection... not sure if they
still make it though.

Eric Norris
78 F250 4x4

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:54:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Water Injection

In a message dated 5/3/00 2:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
samcarri acsol.net writes:

<< Has anybody run a water injection setup on there 390? I've been
considering it but am concerned that the introduction of water on a hot
engine might crack a piston. Is this a concern? Does anyone know of a
reputable company to purchase the kit from?
>>

I ran water injection for a couple years in the late 70s on a 1970 429 with
10.5 to 1 compression ratio. Let's just say that under some conditions it
would effectively reduce knocking. However, despite all claims to the
contrary, it did reduce the gas mileage and polluted the oil rapidly with
water. In cold weather I had to run alcohol instead of water. You do not
need to worry about cracking a piston or any thing else. One thing you will
not be ready for is the cleaning off the cylinder head and piston most of the
carbon. From time to time this carbon will lodge itself in the spark plug
gap and short out that cylinder. The brand name of the unit I had was
Edelbrock. I have not seen one for sale for many years, and I know why first
hand, you do not really want water injection in a light truck or car.

One of the drivers for me to get it in first place came from some military
uses in WW-II. Some of our fighter planes were set up with water injection
which increased range by giving more power on the same fuel. BUT, there is
one TREMENDOUS difference between those airplane engines and your 390 and my
429 and that is the fighter was operated 90% of the time at greater than 75%
throttle. At greater than 75% throttle there is enough heat to convert water
to steam and get an additional boost from it. Unless you are pulling a very
big load up hill your engine never sees that condition. At less than 75%
throttle which is 90% of normal driving all the water does is cool the flame
down and in general put the fire out, not good for mileage.

Some other disadvantages are; you need distilled water otherwise the minerals
from the water plate out and mess up the intake system; if you park on a side
hill the water may siphon into the engine (mine did); things rust rapidly;
and your oil is full of water at 1000 miles. If you like your engine I
strongly suggest forgetting water injection. I spent a lot of money on it
being optimistic, learned that vehicle engines just do not get loaded enough
to use a system like this to your best advantage. If you have any specific
question I would be happy to answer them.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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