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61-79-list Digest Sat, 29 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 086

In This Issue:
Re: Cool tranny
Carb Recomendation
Re: Microfiche...
Parts Stores (Was fuel pump block off plate)
Trans Filters
Thanks! (re:swmbo)
Electric fan selection
Auto Zone 101
Re: Microfiche...
new e-bay automotive section
Re: Microfiche...
Re: new e-bay automotive section
460 4 speed saga
Brand new 1964 F100-F350 Shop manual for sale
Re: Carb Question...
Instrument panel
Crew Cab 4x4
ADMIN: Web site updates
Leaf Springs
ADMIN: Selling concerns
Re: 460 4 speed saga
Re: 460 4 speed saga


From: "Deacon">
Subject: Re: Cool tranny
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:43:55 -0700

> I am not sure what the tranny temps are BUT i do know from my own
> and from tranny repair shops that HEAT is the biggest factor in tranny
> failures

I would think dirty fluid clogging the filter lowering hydraulic
pressure causing disks to slip would be the biggest factor. This
condition overheats the trans causing disks to burn/glaze leading to
failure. By controlling the fluid temp the life of the transmission can
be prolonged. This of course would be under normal usage. If the vehicle
is used for heavy use, a mild shift kit along with extra cooling would
be recommended. A shift kit shortens the time a clutch pack completely
engages. The less the clutch pack slips the less it wears and the less
heat it creates.

Hey, It's just been so long I've had time to post something and I needed
my FTE fix. Don't take this personal Gordon, I'm just talking to talk
and not saying anything. ;]





Subject: Carb Recomendation
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:05:59 -0700

You Write>>I've got a '69 F-250 Camper Special w/ a 360-2V. I'm getting
ready to drop
on a stock 4V Manifold that I picked up for $75. Nice thing about the
manifold, it was attached to a complete 390 (but not running) & C6. What
carb would ya'll recommend? I'm not into racing, burning off the tires,
impressing the neighbors, etc. Heck, I don't ever tow or haul anything. I
just want a "nice mannered" 4V but something with a little better power in
case I need it. 95% of my driving is on the freeway (about 50 miles a day.)
So, recommendations?

Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special <<<<

i would HIGHLY recommend the Edlebrock #1406. It is MY personal choice and
It IS running on my truck now! Stock out of the box is great for economy
(its a 600 cfm carb). If you want to tune it for the richer side just
change the metering rods ...
If you buy it new it will come with an installation manual that tells you

Un Like Holleys which have to be bought for the EXACT application :( I think
this is the best way to go....)
Below is a link to my web truck site see for your self..

Hope This Helps!
let me know how it goes!!
My Web Sites>>


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:20:52 EDT
Subject: Re: Microfiche...

I have the complete set for the 1979 F-Series Truck years (cover alot of
other years also). I bought it from a guy online about 2 years ago. I
forget his E-mail address, but when I went to get them......I got a business
card. He was a FORD parts manager, and his basement was FULL of Ford Stuff.
His home is in Southern New Jersey...around Mount Holly. He used to be the
parts manager of MILLER FORD on Route 38 in Mount Holly. The number there
(Don't forget...he does not work there anymore) is 1-609-267-0476....they are
also a COBRA SVT DEALER. His home number (may have changed since he has
retired) is: 1-609-983-1065. His name is CHARLES Q. SIMMONS, he is a real
cool guy. If it is FORD related...he may have it. Happy Hunting!!!! Wayne


From: "Pat">
Subject: Parts Stores (Was fuel pump block off plate)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:12:39 -0700

From: "Tim Neasham">

Thankfully I have acess to a couple of "old fashioned" parts stores

Treasure it for the jewel it is.


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:24:35 -0700
From: Marv & Marge>
Subject: Trans Filters

"Pat"> wrote:
> What about filters and thermostats on the tranny? Makes sense to me.


Funny you should mention filters. I spent last Saturday changing the fluid
and internal filter on my '89 F-250'a AOD (I know, wrong list). While under
there, I added a neodymimium magnet into the pan, and installed an in-line
spin-on filter to the tranny cooler lines. I'm currently using an AC engine
oil filter, but Baldwin Filters say they have a filter available more
specifically suited to trans and other hydraulic fluid that I'm gonna' change
it to. Their number BT-111. Same threads and O-ring diameter as the PF-2
(and PH-8A Fram). The magnet is MoPig's attempt to get their A-604's to live
a longer life by attracting all those chunks that might recycle themselves
through an otherwise useless piece of junk they call a transmission. A small
one from a disk drive motor just fits in the inlet side of a spin-on, too.
It's another place to put one that's accessible for cleaning the metallic
gunk when changing the spin-on tranny filter. I'm in the process of changing
over to the F-250 from a Caravan. I had the spin-on in the van's cooler lines
for over 50Kmi. Three trannys before the filter, none afterward. I think it
made the difference, because I never added an aftermarket cooler to it.

The '70's C-6 is gonna' get one too, any day now. (Right list).

Thermostats? Why? Cooler is better. Way cooler is way better. Of course,
I live in Los Angeles where we don't think about sub-zero oil performances.




From: "Joe Hartwell">
Subject: Thanks! (re:swmbo)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:26:24 -0500

Thanks for decoding the SWMBO for me, it wasn't in my 1968 Ford Truck Shop Manuals. (FTE content) Funny how something so simple as a statement like that can strike a chord of common understanding among us all!

Joe Hartwell
1988 Ford Ranger (my daily driver)
1968 F-100 (awaiting TLC as soon as I have $$$)
1997 Harley Sportster (why I have no $$$)


From: SMOKEY5209
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:47:25 EDT
Subject: Electric fan selection

I have been reading all the info on electric fans. I have a 1970 Ford with a
390 and was wondering what size of fan to go with and is there a preferred
brand. I don't want to purchase fans in a trial and error method. Your
suggestions would be appreciated.


From: ballingr
Subject: Auto Zone 101
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:31:51 -0500

> I think I started the Auto Zone complaint thread. I originally said our
> LOCAL Auto Zone, because I have experience with them only>
> I wasn't trying to get anyone to quit buying their parts for their Ford
> truck at Auto Zone, I was just relaying a story.
> -- John

Unfortunatley John, I think more than just a few people on the list have
experienced bad service. not with just the above mentioned parts store. What
ever happened to the "local" parts store where people were willing to help,
not just look at a computer terminal with generic information. Unfortunately
here in Oklahoma the local stores are dying and being run out of business by
the cheap chain stores. I would prefer a "parts" person, someone that knows
about cars and trucks and will look through catalogs etc. to help find a
solution to my problem instead of saying "the computer says it doesn't
exist". Oh well dream on I guess.

I was an Assistant Manager in an Auto Zone store for a while and I'll share
a few things that can help you get what you need there.

There is supposed to be someone in the store at all times with parts
knowledge. They are called a Parts Pro. This is the only person in a red
shirt you want waiting on you for anything at all complicated. The other
red shirts are there to run a register. Anyone in a white shirt is
management and they too are Parts Pro certified, some are ASE certified and
the rest are waiting to take the test. Management people have to eventually
be ASE certified. If you need an oil filter or a set of plugs Johnny red
shirt will be OK. But if you need a sending unit for a '66 Ford with a '75
engine get an ASE certified red shirt or a member of management to help you.

I ran a high volume store and we got stomped every Saturday. It's
unrealistic to expect the level of service on Saturday when every doofus in
the world decides to change his oil and do a brake job as you'd get on a
week day. You wouldn't believe some of the people you wait on, I hate to
encourage them to lift their hood much less tell them how to bleed their
brakes. (having some folks doing their own brakes is the single most thing
that scares me to death) And you need to be patient, they see ten times
more customers, most with no automotive knowlwdge whatsoever, than any other
store in town. They really want to give good service and take care of you.
If you aren't satisfied with the aptitude or attitude of the person you have
waiting on you ask for a member of management.

I had to retrain even the white shirts on the use of the catalogs. When we
were busy, I locked the safe, closed the books, let the inventory management
go, and spent the day taking the tough questions and running the catalogs
for anything that the computer didn't list. This is what I expected of my
PSM's (white shirts) when I wasn't there, customers come first. I trained
everyone on how to look up things, but I designated myself or someone else
with knowledge to at least verify the non-existance of a part when all else
failed. They were to never let a customer out the door until we used the
computer and catalogs to the end of their possibilities. If I caught
someone being lazy, I wrote them up. Other managers maybe don't hold their
people to those standards, but they should.

Always buy the Duralast or Duralast Gold line on starters and alternators.
The Valucraft line is junk, don't buy it, and ESPECIALLY don't buy the
Valucraft brakes!. The CS series of alternators are OK, but only have a 1
year warranty. They aren't as good as the DL or DLG line. Buy the Bosch
plug wires and the Conrad ignition stuff if it's available. It's better than
the Wells line. They have some good stuff, just buy the higher priced line,
there is a difference.


From: draco
Subject: Re: Microfiche...
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT)

Tim Neasham wrote:
> Does anyone have or know where I can beg, borrow, rent, buy, steal a
> set of '69 Truck Microfiche?

I have seen these on e-bay also. I think the last set went for
somewhere around $30.

I would have bid on it, but have no way to read them. Does anyone
know of a way to read them without the machine? Would one of those
toy microscopes work?

Mark in Southwest Washington
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


From: draco
Subject: new e-bay automotive section
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:00:38 -0700 (PDT)

Speaking of e-bay, is anyone else having trouble with the new
automotive section?

With the old system I used to go to Automotive -> Parts and type
"ford (truck,pickup)" for a search string. I would get about 150
items. Now if I type the same thing I get about 1000 items.
Apparently this search is finding the word "truck" in the category
name "Parts: Car & Truck".

Anyone found a way to search for Ford truck parts on the new

Mark in Southwest Washington
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


From: canzus
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Microfiche...

At 07:58 AM 30:04:2000 -0700, draco wrote:
>Tim Neasham wrote:
>> Does anyone have or know where I can beg, borrow, rent, buy, steal a
>> set of '69 Truck Microfiche?


>I would have bid on it, but have no way to read them. Does anyone
>know of a way to read them without the machine? Would one of those
>toy microscopes work?

You could use the local librarys, I'm going to Boeing Surplus this
week, they may have a few... I'll let you know...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:43:19 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski>
Subject: Re: new e-bay automotive section

Use the "Personal Shopper" feature that they have. This is the URL
for my daily "Ford Truck"
results: This is the one
The truck one shows about 700-750 items. If you configure it
right, it'll show you the new listings first.

At 08:00 AM 4/30/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Speaking of e-bay, is anyone else having trouble with the new
>automotive section?
>With the old system I used to go to Automotive -> Parts and type
>"ford (truck,pickup)" for a search string. I would get about 150
>items. Now if I type the same thing I get about 1000 items.
>Apparently this search is finding the word "truck" in the category
>name "Parts: Car & Truck".
>Anyone found a way to search for Ford truck parts on the new
>Mark in Southwest Washington
>'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
>in digest mode

Ted Wnorowski
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

W/more kidney stones in tow


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:58:52 EDT
Subject: 460 4 speed saga

Howdy folks, thought Id fill ya in on the efforts to putting a t-18 in
Tweety. Old tranny is out, Piece of cake. Im gettin good at yankin
automatics, which is why Im gettin rid of it. Somethings you should just
never have to be able to do with your eyes closed on the same vehicle.
Points, yes, by all means, but DEFINATELY not trannys. Well the 360 flywheel
bolted up fine, and Azie, the 400 pilot bushing works great, trimed the .002
myself with a hand file and a lil ingenuity. However, a 360 clutch assembly
will not fit in a 400 bellhousing, at least not the one I have. The fork
hits the pressure plate. I am going to be looking for a diaphram style
pressure plate, and having the flywheel redrilled for it. I have one from a
460, gotta check a few more before I do it though. But its going well all
things considered. Im actually enjoying this, because its kind of like a
puzzle, without a reference picture and a few extra pieces tossed in to give
ya headaches. I like this kind of problem solving. Its great. Plus I keep
reminding myself how much fun its gonna be to be able to launch at 4000 rpms,
and bark the shifts. Thank god for Discount Tires road hazard warrenty, or I
might have tostart buying rear tires every 6 months. Yall have a great day.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:23:12 -0400
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: Brand new 1964 F100-F350 Shop manual for sale

Hi gang.

Our recent shipment of shop manuals for the web included a
1964 F100-F350 Shop Manual that has a damaged binding on the
top from water damage. None of the pages are bad or swollen.
Quite simply, about 1 inch of the tape on the binding, but
not the binding glue, has come loose on the top of the manual.

This book normally sells for $55 in the FTE online store. I've
purchased it from the store at a discount to get it off the
accounting books and I'm now reselling it personally at that
price. Whoever wants this brand new manual for $25, shipping
included. Contact me at kpayne

Ken Payne


From: "Serian">
Subject: Re: Carb Question...
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:45:42 -0400

> I'm getting ready to drop on a stock 4V Manifold that I picked
> up for $75. Nice thing about the manifold, it was attached to a
> complete 390 (but not running) & C6. What carb would ya'll
> recommend? I'm not into racing, burning off the tires, impressing
> the neighbors, etc. Heck, I don't ever tow or haul anything.

A good stock Motorcraft 4300 should serve well ... I think
that is what was OEM installed.


From: tomzaddr (TOM BARTZ)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:08:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Instrument panel

69 F100 custom cab. The curved plexiglass in front of gauges has turned
yellow (from the sun I suppose) and makes it hard to view gauges &
speedometer. Any replacements available?


From: "MC">
Subject: Crew Cab 4x4
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:11:17 -0700

Hi guys. Just thought I would pass this on. I saw a mid to late 70's Ford
crew cab the other day on my way back from an uncles. I didn't stop and look
at it, but from what I did see, It didn't look to be in too bad a condition.
From the glance I had at the front hubs, it is a 4x4, but I'm not sure.
Don't know what the price is either, but if anyone wants more info, just let
me know and I will drive back over there and get some more details.

Matt Cozad


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:43:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: ADMIN: Web site updates

The following additions have been made to the web site:

Pictorial Additions:
1950 F3, 1964 F100 4x4, 1965 F250 Flareside, 1976 F250 Camper Special

Tech Articles:
A Look At the Platinum Gasaver (similar to the Snake Oil article)
Classic Truck and Custom Classic Truck Magazine article indexes updated.

-Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


From: "Christopher Worley">
Subject: Leaf Springs
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:39:42 PDT

Does anyone in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area know of a good place to buy a new
set of leaf springs for a '67 F-100 LWB, if all else fails maybe a place
that can re-arch the ones I have.


67 F100 (Ground up restore)



Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:00:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: ADMIN: Selling concerns

A couple of days ago a user has written me concerning the
guidelines for sale of personal items on the lists. The
FAQ doesn't directly address this issue, so I'll present
my opinion on the topic.

The FTE lists were started with the intent that they remain
free from vendor influence. Vendors don't participate on
the lists as vendors, nor should someone operating a business
out of his garage. FTE has occasionally posted an announcement
when we get a new advertiser. There's never been a problem
with this because there's an understanding that this is how
FTE stays alive. These vendors, however, never blatantly
advertise here in postings.

I've posted personal items for sale, even quite recently,
and so have others. The 64 shop manual is just one example.
Whenever FTE has received damaged inventory or had a product
return, I personally buy it at a large discount to get it
off FTE's books and then either sell it for what I bought it
for or give it away. I don't, however, make a habit of it.
If two weeks from now, FTE had another damaged book that I
buy, I'd sell it on Ebay or Yahoo, not here. Its when it
becomes habit forming and you see someone constantly post items
for sale that concerns arise about the "spirit of the law"
and users question whether someone is operating a business
via the mailing lists.

I think that when it comes to grey areas, we need to take a
look at our motives and ask ourselves, "am I doing this to
a) make a few bucks while cleaning out the garage or b) has
my garage become a side business?"

If the answer is b), then perhaps Ebay is a more appropriate
forum. I've seen first hand on one of the Usenet groups
what happens when you go with the letter of the law and
violate the spirit. I was guilty.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:52:06 EDT
Subject: Re: 460 4 speed saga

if i remember correctly, i ordered my clutch for a 400 m, it is a diaphram
pressure plate, it fit the 390 flywheel. i believe all the 11" flywheels use
the same cluch bolt pattern. i used the centerforce dual friction, it has
extremely light pedal pressure, but it has exceptional clamping force. i've....

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