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61-79-list Digest Fri, 28 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 085

In This Issue:
Re: 2v or 4v ?
Parts Stores (Was fuel pump block off plate)
Carb Question...
Multiple listings
Re: 2V-4V
Re: Multiple listings
Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Microfiche...
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: Multiple listings
Re: Microfiche...
Re: Microfiche...
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2v or 4v ?
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:14:32 -0400

> i keep seeing 2v and 4v refrenced in regards to intake
> manifolds
> what is the difference between them?

a 2V indicates 2 venturi, or 2 barrel
i.e. 2 holes in it to let carbureted air/fuel mixture into the engine
a 4V indicates 4 venturi, or 4 barrel
i.e. 4 holes in it to let carbureted air/fuel mixture into the engine

Generally speaking, a 4V tends to give better response, and
sometimes more power to an engine (if a proper CFM ("cubic
feet per minute") size carb is installed with it) than a 2V, all
other things being equal. The 2V is often adequate for the
application and gets better fuel economy than a 4V.

> if i pull of a stock 2v will a 4v go in

Yes, if you get a 4V manifold that is made for the same engine
size and style that you pull the 2V off. Edelbrock makes a
rather expansive selection of aftermarket 4V intake manifolds
if you are looking to get one, or if you want to have a look at
what they have (and/or see what the difference is), their website
has some rather nice pix http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edelbrock.com/
They make many other aftermarket performance parts as well.



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From: "Tim Neasham" 3-cities.com>
Subject: Parts Stores (Was fuel pump block off plate)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:27:35 -0700

Thankfully I have acess to a couple of "old fashioned" parts stores. I've
even known the owner to "give" parts away to people until payday. (Don't
ask me how I know he will let you have a starter for a '74 F-250 on verbal
credit!) His prices are about 10% above the chain stores, but I prefer to
give him my business over anyone else. I view it like tiping a
waiter/waitress. You are paying for the service. Dave, the owner, will
find the part you are looking for, or it doesn't exist. And his store is
"bullsh!t" oriented. I think he has more counter space for people to sit
down and talk than he does for parts. The coffee and the conversation are
always fresh.

Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special


From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:19:19 -0500

> I think I started the Auto Zone complaint thread. I originally said our
> LOCAL Auto Zone, because I have experience with them only>
> I wasn't trying to get anyone to quit buying their parts for their Ford
> truck at Auto Zone, I was just relaying a story.
>
> -- John

Unfortunatley John, I think more than just a few people on the list have
experienced bad service. not with just the above mentioned parts store. What
ever happened to the "local" parts store where people were willing to help,
not just look at a computer terminal with generic information. Unfortunately
here in Oklahoma the local stores are dying and being run out of business by
the cheap chain stores. I would prefer a "parts" person, someone that knows
about cars and trucks and will look through catalogs etc. to help find a
solution to my problem instead of saying "the computer says it doesn't
exist". Oh well dream on I guess.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0


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From: "Tim Neasham" 3-cities.com>
Subject: Carb Question...
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:36:08 -0700

I've got a '69 F-250 Camper Special w/ a 360-2V. I'm getting ready to drop
on a stock 4V Manifold that I picked up for $75. Nice thing about the
manifold, it was attached to a complete 390 (but not running) & C6. What
carb would ya'll recommend? I'm not into racing, burning off the tires,
impressing the neighbors, etc. Heck, I don't ever tow or haul anything. I
just want a "nice mannered" 4V but something with a little better power in
case I need it. 95% of my driving is on the freeway (about 50 miles a day.)
So, recommendations?


Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Multiple listings
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:52:44 -0400


Why do I keep getting multiple listings for the Intermittant wipers on my forum list??? They all say the exact same thing. I must have about 30 of them on my list everyday for the last 3 days.


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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:45:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: 2V-4V

the "V" stands for Venturi. 1 barrel in a typical carb contains 1
venturi and a booster venturi hanging out in the middle. a 2V carb is
just simply a 2 barrel carb, 4V is a 4 barrel carb. Intake manifolds are
designated to match the carbs that go on em. The carb to intake mating
surface is not interchangeable between 2V and 4V but there are adaptor
plates to convert em but I dont realy recommend em myself. as for
putting a 4V intake AND carb where a 2V used to exist sometimes you may
get lucky and the heads and intakes match but its rare. A lot of engine
familys used a different port size for the 2 and 4 barrel carbs.
hope it kinda answers your question.

Laters, Danny Ling


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:11:58 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: Multiple listings

Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>
> Why do I keep getting multiple listings for the Intermittant wipers on my forum list??? They all say the exact same thing. I must have about 30 of them on my list everyday for the last 3 days.

I got about 23 copies of the letter from Michael Taylor Tuesday a.m.,
but nothing else like that since.

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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:29:03 -0700

What about filters and thermostats on the tranny? Makes sense to me.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.

> > Awhile back someone mentioned the possibility of installing a gauge on a
AUYTOMATIC TRANNY
I am not sure what the tranny temps are BUT i do know from my own
expierence
and from tranny repair shops that HEAT is the biggest factor in tranny
failures
gordon
79 f100
69 f 100
62 t bird






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From: "Tim Neasham" 3-cities.com>
Subject: Microfiche...
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:35:54 -0700

Okay, I know I'm dreaming, but what the hey, I'll give it a shot.

Does anyone have or know where I can beg, borrow, rent, buy, steal a set of
'69 Truck Microfiche? The local dealer will let me "borrow" a set, but they
won't let their legible set out the door. They said I could borrow their
"bad" set that is a guessing game what it's showing. (Gee, Thanks for
nothing.) So I thought I would turn to the list family for help (mild
sucking up...) Thanks for any and all help.

Oh, BTW, Respond off list if it's the "steal" option....


Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:23:35 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???

Whatever, I think you have your mind made up no matter who the info is coming
from.

Bill Beyer wrote:

> Hmmm...nope, still not buyin' it...those goofballs at Motorsports aren't my
> idea of an "official" Ford source. Guess we'll just have to agree to
> disagree on this one.
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 3:24 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
>
> > Heck, if we trusted Ford's official literature, everyone would call the
> 351M
> > a Cleveland.
> > Ok, you want official Ford proof that they call it a Modified, (I was
> looking
> > up some info for something else and came across this) 2000 Ford Racing
> > Performance Parts catalog (Ford Motorsport), Pg 113 in red letters at the
> > bottom middle of the page it says "351M (Modified) and 400".
> > If you don't have this I can scan a picture of the page.
> > Jason
>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:26:15 -0400




> What about filters and thermostats on the tranny? Makes sense to me.
> Pat
> Patsplace
========================================================
they all ready make auxillary filters for trannys now they are usually the
spin on canister type as for coolers those are plentifull to BUT there is
such a thing as running the fluid to cool tho but what the proper temp is i
cant recall for sure but i am thinking it was about 140 degrees or close to
that for automatics
gordon


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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:21:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple listings

At 11:52 PM 4/28/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Why do I keep getting multiple listings for the Intermittant wipers on my forum list??? They all say the exact same thing. I must have about 30 of them on my list everyday for the last 3 days.

Someone sent several of the same message on the 25th. No more have
been send since. If you're still receiving them, most likely an
intermittent queue problem between the FTE server and yours. On
any given day, of the thousands of systems FTE sends mail two, about
4 dozen are either down or having problems.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:44:17 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis p3.net>
Subject: Re: Microfiche...

Tim,
not sure where you are but you can find those items at Ford Carlisle in June..
Or at some dealers, they have them in the back, I missed out on a box full at my
dealer becuase I had no machine to read them,,:(
Joe

Tim Neasham wrote:

> Okay, I know I'm dreaming, but what the hey, I'll give it a shot.
>
> Does anyone have or know where I can beg, borrow, rent, buy, steal a set of
> '69 Truck Microfiche? The local dealer will let me "borrow" a set, but they
> won't let their legible set out the door. They said I could borrow their
> "bad" set that is a guessing game what it's showing. (Gee, Thanks for
> nothing.) So I thought I would turn to the list family for help (mild
> sucking up...) Thanks for any and all help.
>
> Oh, BTW, Respond off list if it's the "steal" option....
>
> Tim Neasham
> Benton City, Washington
> '69 F-250 Camper Special
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:08:51 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Microfiche...

At 04:44 PM 4/29/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > Does anyone have or know where I can beg, borrow, rent, buy, steal a set of
> > '69 Truck Microfiche?

I see them on eBay from time to time.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

W/more kidney stones in tow

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:59:42 -0700

Nope, I'm always open to new knowledge and ideas, there's just too many
really knowledgeable people I've talked to out there who say that they've
never seen any Ford publication old or new which designate the M as Modified
or Midland or Michigan. I've done a lot of research on M blocks since I own
2 of them and I've never seen it either. Pardon me if I don't take a 2000
catalog which lists maybe 6 parts for an engine that's been out of
production for almost 20 years as gospel...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:23 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???


> Whatever, I think you have your mind made up no matter who the info is
....


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