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61-79-list Digest Thu, 27 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 084

In This Issue:
Re: 1979 Ford F-150 Door panels
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: Ground Cable
Re: I need your Wisdom!
Re: Ground Cable
SWMBO
Re: SWMBO
Re: SWMBO
Re: Ground cable
Re: SWMBO
Re: 1979 Ford F-150 Door panels
Re: Ground Cable
T'stat for Elect fans
fuel pump block off plate
Salt Lake City Members? Where's the Danger?
ground strap.
Last day
Re: Last day
Re: Ground cable
Re: ground straps
Re: grounding cable
Re: fuel pump block off plate
Re: Last day
Re: Last day
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: Trimming posts
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: fuel pump block off plate
Re: fuel pump block off plate
[Fwd: 351C 2V engine]
Re: fuel pump block off plate
Re: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]
Re: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Re: 2v or 4v ??
Re: Last day
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: SWMBO
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Re: Trimming posts
Re: fuel pump block off plate
Re: 2v or 4v ??
don't use a GM 14 bolt

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:20:24 EDT
Subject: Re: 1979 Ford F-150 Door panels

In a message dated 4/27/2000 2:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hartwell vt.edu writes:

>
> I may or may not have mentioned it, but it has a great stereo head unit in
> it (Alpine CD player), but the speakers are junk, looks like something out
of
> a $2 radio, mounted behind the seat on the floor with sloppy wiring. Did
the
> 79 F-150's have speakers mounted in the door panels? If so, how do I
remove
> these? Any special tools needed?

Yup. The 73-79's all had speaker holes in the doors with vents in teh door
panels. I cant remember the exact size but I thinks they are somthing like 6"
round ones. They were a bit odd sized last time I was in there. Seeing how as
mine are shot now, I spose Ill be in there again real soon. Till then my add
on ones in the rear are fine. I've been able to remove my pannels by hand by
very carfully pulling at the plastic feather studs that hold it in (after
removing the screws for the door handle and latch handle & window crank of
course). Im sure there is a tool made to make this job easier

> Also, were there speakers mounted in the
> dash? Again, any special tools needed?
The only speaker I know of in the dash was for the mono radio. Had one in my
73 but never messed with it. My 79 has the holes for it, but since it came
with the sterio AMFM, it's vacent in leu of the door speakers. The screws
went through the top of the dash, but what ever else needs to coem out, I
have no Idea.

George in fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:30:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)

In a message dated 4/27/2000 4:32:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dpearson ctc.edu writes:

> on...Then I finally figured out that one of them is for the engine, the
> other is for the tranny...And, I am not exactly sure where it reads
> from...what is the logical place to look for a tranny temperature sensor?
> Just curious.
>
>
I added my own tranny temp gauge to my 79 Bronco. Ive got it wired into the
hot line out of hte tranny (similar to teh engine, the sensor is in the hot
output to the radiator). Ive also got a pressure gauge in there too since I
was adding a T block to the lines and had one lying 'round.

Origionally I used rubber tuning to make the splice but after a few years in
close proximity to the exhause pipe moounted close to the tranny, the hose
got brittle and cracked. I flushed hte tranny Twice trying to get it home.
Since then Ive replumbed the cooling lines and the T block now resides above
the frame rail up near the radiator. It's still in the Hot line to the
radiator. If ya like I can scan a pic of my setup.

Cant say for sure if yours is the same, but Id bet it's in the hot line out
of the tranny.

George in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:34:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Ground Cable

In a message dated 4/27/2000 4:39:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike_Nelson fdles.state.fl.us writes:

> Hi, I'm new to the list and am just learning about most of this stuff. I
> have a question about the ground cable that has been in discussion. Why do
> you have to ground it to the block and then from the block to the frame?
> Can you just run a ground cable to the frame?
>
> Thanks
>
In my opinon, yes and no. Ive seen it work just grounding to the frame, and
Ive also seen just as many intermittant problems. One thought though, the
starter is the bigest current demander and it's block mounted. If you Neg
cable is on the frame vs teh block, those electrons have to find another way
to get back to the battery. It could be an engine mount, muffler hanger,
throttle linkage, or maybe a combination of all. It could even leave you
uuunable to start at tiimes.

Just grounf it to the block. That way, you can have a lighter gauge wire
grounding hte frame to the block for the rest of the electronics which dont
demand as much as a starter!

George in Fl

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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:48:36 EDT
Subject: Re: I need your Wisdom!

sounds like you have all the same parts i used for my auto to 4 speed swap,
but someone had told me to use two block spacers, so i did, works great. i
don't know how it would have worked with just one.

jeff grant

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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Cable
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:51:58 -0700

The way I understood it from my electrical automotive class is that a
vehicle with a voltage regulator mounted on the firewall (as in Fords) must
have a ground strap from the block to the frame. This ensures the alternator
(on the block) and the voltage regulator (on the firewall) have the same
ground potential. If the cable between the block and chassis is removed then
the voltage regulator and alternator are at different voltage potentials.
This can cause overcharging of your battery. I have personally seen this and
it is often overlooked when diagnosing an overcharging battery problem.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ground Cable


> In a message dated 4/27/2000 4:39:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Mike_Nelson fdles.state.fl.us writes:
>
> > Hi, I'm new to the list and am just learning about most of this stuff.
I
> > have a question about the ground cable that has been in discussion.
Why do
> > you have to ground it to the block and then from the block to the
frame?
> > Can you just run a ground cable to the frame?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> In my opinon, yes and no. Ive seen it work just grounding to the frame,
and
> Ive also seen just as many intermittant problems. One thought though, the
> starter is the bigest current demander and it's block mounted. If you Neg
> cable is on the frame vs teh block, those electrons have to find another
way
> to get back to the battery. It could be an engine mount, muffler hanger,
> throttle linkage, or maybe a combination of all. It could even leave you
> uuunable to start at tiimes.
>
> Just grounf it to the block. That way, you can have a lighter gauge wire
> grounding hte frame to the block for the rest of the electronics which
dont
> demand as much as a starter!
>
> George in Fl
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:57:10 -0400
From: Joe Hartwell vt.edu>
Subject: SWMBO

Perhaps I've missed it before, but could someone help me decode SWMBO? (S stands for ___, W stands for ___, etc.) Thanks!

Joe Hartwell
88 Ford Ranger
68 F-100
97 Harley 883 Sportster



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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:08:05 EDT
Subject: Re: SWMBO

It's from the British TV show "Rumpole of the Bailey." Rumpole, a lawyer,
always refers to his wife as "she who must be obeyed".
In short, it means "the boss lady"

Nate
humble spouse of SWMBO (who loves to drive my Ford truck [FTE content])

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Koster yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SWMBO



She
Who
Must
Be
Obeyed





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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:35 -0400
From: BECKER-JEFFREY macktrucks.com>
Subject: Re: Ground cable

--- Received from MACDGA.JB1882H 301-790-5580 00-04-28 08:35

I believe the jist of Mike's question was why run a black cable
from battery negative to the block and then from the block back to
the frame via the braided strap. A question of circuit direction.
i.e. why not just ground the battery negative to the frame and let
the block get its ground path from the braided strap?

I believe this is a simple matter of priority and reliability. One
wants his engine to run first, hence the direct connection. If the
grounding braid at the firewall corrodes or snaps, the engine will
still run even though your lights and radio and everything else
will be inop.

My weekend project is to degrease the engine and find an otherwise
non-functional tapped hole or stud on the right side of the block
to bolt this battery cable onto. I'll be hitting the braid strap
with naval jelly and dielectric grease as well. Good grounds are
good. =:-))
- Jeff


> From: "Nelson, Mike" fdles.state.fl.us>
> Subject: Ground Cable
> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:51:15 -0400
> Hi, I'm new to the list and am just learning about most of this
> stuff. I have a question about the ground cable that has been in
> discussion. Why do you have to ground it to the block and then
> from the block to the frame? Can you just run a ground cable to
> the frame?

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:42:33 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: SWMBO

At 12:57 AM 4/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps I've missed it before, but could someone help me decode SWMBO? (S stands for ___, W stands for ___, etc.) Thanks!

She Who Must Be Obeyed

as in "wife".

Ken Payne





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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:38:24 -0500
Subject: Re: 1979 Ford F-150 Door panels
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> (after
> removing the screws for the door handle and latch handle & window crank of
> course).

See, I knew I left off something. I forgot to list the latch handle.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:47:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Ground Cable
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Ground is a generic term for the "common" terminal, for our trucks and such
> its the (-) side of the battery (old British cars its the (+) right?)

And old Fords as late as the mid 50s (as well as other American iron). My
dad had a 55 G*C pickup that was positive ground, but a 56 Suburban that was
negative ground. I'm pretty sure my uncle's 54 Fairlane was positive ground.
The C-model Farmall tractor we had was positive ground. I think positive
ground was fairly common for 6 volt systems.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: T'stat for Elect fans
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:57:56 -0400

Someone writes and I can't remember who: >>.Where did you get the
thermostat for your electric fan?


My question is:: Does anyone sell an "adjustable" t'stat for these??? On
that you might be able to vary the settings on sush as raise/lower the
opening/closing much like you can vary the pressure switch on compressors
for coming on/off!!!

Inquiring minds want to know!!

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: "Michael Ray Jones" lcc.net>
Subject: fuel pump block off plate
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:55:24 -0500

I noticed yesterday that Auto Zone has fuel pump block off plates for about
$4. It's in the section with all the chrome goodies (valve covers, air
cleaners, etc.). I also noticed yesterday that many people were complaining
about Auto Zone, and I've waited in their (too) long lines too, but they
have what you're looking for, cheap.


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From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:01:40 EDT
Subject: Salt Lake City Members? Where's the Danger?

Is Danger still around?

I"ll be in SLC most of next week.....and the old offer stands! I'll pay for
the meal if you drive your truck!

Please email me off list if anyone in SLC has time to collect a free meal!

Also, my new email address is: bdijxs bridgetest.com

Thanks!

(CJ) Colorado Jeff

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: ground strap.
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:10:36 -0400

Mike N. writes: >>Can you just run a ground cable to the frame?<<

Yes, but the starter and other sensors are located on the engine, so it
needs grounded also..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Last day
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:28:22 -0400

I'll be off line for a few days. Still don't have that home computer, and
this is my last day in the world of employment.

May God Bless and keep you all.

Until we "meet" again - PEACE to ALL..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: Last day
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:45:06 -0500

Azie,
I hope congratulations are in order????? If you are retiring or leaving on
your on congratulations. And you really need to get a pc at home, the list
needs people like you.

Take Care, and God Bless.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0



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From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Ground cable
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:07:42 -0700

A floating ground system can be confusing to people. Just keep in mind that
the truck works on a 12 Volt difference in voltage. Most of the electrical
stuff around the house and anything metal that sticks up high, (i.e.,
communication towers), has an earth ground. When lightning strikes it will
follow the shortest path to ground. Sometimes, it will even bypass the best
conductor on its way. I've seen where lighting has bypassed a poor
grounding system and shot 10 feet across a room to char a hole in the wall.
The lightning decided it liked air more than copper. So sitting in your
truck on rubber tires isn't the best protection, but better than nothing.
Nothing being: standing in the mud, leaning against your truck in a
lighting storm.


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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: ground straps
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:22:14 -0400

> Why do you have to ground it to the block and then from the
> block to the frame?

because the block is mostly isolated from the frame by resting
on nonconductive rubber shock absorbing cushions in the mounts.
The same is true with the vehicle body, so it is a good idea to put
a ground strap from the block to the body as well.



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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: grounding cable
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:27:08 -0400

> I've got a question, too. I've never been able to understand
> how a ground to the frame provides a real ground, if the
> frame is separated from the earth by rubber tires.

The ground that is needed in a vehicle electrical system is
"chassis ground", which would be 0VDC, or battery negative,
not "earth ground". In certain circuits and appliances, "chassis
ground" and "earth ground" are VERY different ... in your
television set for example, "chassis ground" is +60 or so volts
AC above earth ground, but it is considered "ground" (zero
voltage) compared to the operating electrical components
in the unit.



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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:12:32 -0500
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I also noticed yesterday that many people were complaining
> about Auto Zone, and I've waited in their (too) long lines too, but they
> have what you're looking for, cheap.

I think I started the Auto Zone complaint thread. I originally said our
LOCAL Auto Zone, because I have experience with them only. I am sure there
are other stores in other chains with similar problems and other Auto Zone
stores that give top quality service. As for cheap, it's just like all other
competitive retailers, some are cheaper on some stuff, some are cheaper on
other stuff. Of course sometimes cheap is low quality and not just
inexpensive. Sometimes cheap is both. I was pretty annoyed at our O'Reilly
(was Hi Lo) last year when I ordered my radiator. I figure most of the
problems are a result of our marketplace. We have a lot of soldiers that
don't stay for more than a couple of years. Why worry about keeping
customers happy when they are going to be replaced by new customers.
Unfortunately, this attitude permeates our business community from the real
estate agents to the convenience stores.

I wasn't trying to get anyone to quit buying their parts for their Ford
truck at Auto Zone, I was just relaying a story.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:18:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Last day
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'll be off line for a few days. Still don't have that home computer, and
> this is my last day in the world of employment.
>
> May God Bless and keep you all.
>
> Until we "meet" again - PEACE to ALL..
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al
>

Adios, amigo. This family will miss your presence.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
our presence.

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:13:11 -0400
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Last day

At 10:28 AM 4/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I'll be off line for a few days. Still don't have that home computer, and
>this is my last day in the world of employment.
>
>May God Bless and keep you all.
>
>Until we "meet" again - PEACE to ALL..
>
>Azie Magnusson
>Ardmore, Al
>
Congrats, Azie, and welcome to the world of the retired. Although, if your
wife is anything like mine, you'll soon be wishing you were back at work.
(That's a Joke; I think??)

stoney


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:43:15 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)

Thanks for your message at 03:41 PM 4/27/00 -0500, John LaGrone. Your
message was:
>> Then I finally figured out that one of them is for the engine, the
>> other is for the tranny...And, I am not exactly sure where it reads
>> from...what is the logical place to look for a tranny temperature sensor?
>> Just curious.
>
>Why, on the side of the tranny of course. Just funnin you Dennis. Actually I
>have seen a number of engines that have two temperature sensors, one for the
>block and one for the heads. It is possible for the heads to overheat
>without the block overheating, like in a blown head gasket situation or a
>stopped up water gallery. If there isn't a big difference in the temps, one,
>the hotter one, might be for a head.

Thanks, John...Now I'll have to trace a wire through the spaghetti mess
that is under my dash...another project that keeps getting postponed. It's
very possible that you are right...

One gauge (the original) I am sure is wired to the sensor in the block.
That gauge fluctuates logically (and I hope somewhat accurately) with wind
conditions, fan operation, etc...The other gauge (nicely installed in one
of those cute otherwise useless round pieces on either side of the
speedometer) stays constantly at just a tad above 190-something (how's that
for scientific precision?). That is the enigmatic gauge about which I
speak (Excuse me, I just left a meeting of English teachers).

Awhile back someone mentioned the possibility of installing a gauge on an
AT, so I just leaped to an illogical conclusion...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:27:59 -0400
From: Travis McGlaughlin hood.edu>
Subject: Re: Trimming posts

>From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
>Subject: Trimming Posts!
>....but now things
>are starting to look like the Contour list. And you
>guys don't want any of that immature, free for all
>going on here. Believe me!!! J. Allison

Oh you said CONTOUR list. From that description I could have sworn you
were talking about the Escort GT list.

{-:

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:26:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Awhile back someone mentioned the possibility of installing a gauge on an
> AT, so I just leaped to an illogical conclusion...

Not at all illogical. I don't know at what temp a transmission runs. I would
assume that it would be higher than the engine coolant since the cooler in
the radiator is all most systems have. I would think the heads would warm up
faster than the block and be more stable, but then I guess the transmission
would, too. Hmmm...an interesting mystery.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:19:19 -0500

> I think I started the Auto Zone complaint thread. I originally said our
> LOCAL Auto Zone, because I have experience with them only>
> I wasn't trying to get anyone to quit buying their parts for their Ford
> truck at Auto Zone, I was just relaying a story.
>
> -- John

Unfortunatley John, I think more than just a few people on the list have
experienced bad service. not with just the above mentioned parts store. What
ever happened to the "local" parts store where people were willing to help,
not just look at a computer terminal with generic information. Unfortunately
here in Oklahoma the local stores are dying and being run out of business by
the cheap chain stores. I would prefer a "parts" person, someone that knows
about cars and trucks and will look through catalogs etc. to help find a
solution to my problem instead of saying "the computer says it doesn't
exist". Oh well dream on I guess.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0



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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:09:42 -0700

What ever happened to the "local" parts store where people were
willing to help,
not just look at a computer terminal with generic information. Unfortunately
here in Oklahoma the local stores are dying and being run out of business by
the cheap chain stores. I would prefer a "parts" person, someone that knows
about cars and trucks and will look through catalogs etc. to help find a
solution to my problem instead of saying "the computer says it doesn't
exist". Oh well dream on I guess.

I'll tell you what happened to the "local" parts store (I've worked in both
the "local" and chain stores)...

It died because the general public today values price over service.
It died because a small store cannot keep the inventory a chain store does
and the general public "wants it yesterday".
It died because the general public's image of the "local" parts store is the
stereotypical dirty, dim place staffed by foul-mouthed employees with no
patience for those who don't know exactly what they want.




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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:18:46 -0500
From: Danie Claassens intekom.co.za>
Subject: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]




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Hi all.
I am looking for tech info on this engine. From torque settings right
thru.
I know there used to be a site WRLJET.COM which had a lot of what I'm
looking for but they have disappeared Does anyone know where to contact?

Regards
Danie Claassens
South Africa




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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'll tell you what happened to the "local" parts store (I've worked in both
> the "local" and chain stores)...
>
> It died because the general public today values price over service.
> It died because a small store cannot keep the inventory a chain store does
> and the general public "wants it yesterday".
> It died because the general public's image of the "local" parts store is the
> stereotypical dirty, dim place staffed by foul-mouthed employees with no
> patience for those who don't know exactly what they want.
>

Amen. And you forgot cars have all that electronic smog control stuff that
no one, including most dealer's staffs, knows how to work on, so fewer and
fewer people are actually working on their own cars. I don't count
installing fuzzy dice as working on your car. No offense intended if you
like fuzzy dice, that's just the example I could think of.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:47:18 EDT
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]

The V-8 Engine workshop went offline several months ago by the owners choice.
He was spending a great deal of personal time maintaining the site without
any renumeration. He advised me that he is currently marketing the site.
The next best thing I've seen is the obsolete engine textbook at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fomoco.com

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


> I know there used to be a site WRLJET.COM which had a lot of what I'm
> looking for but they have disappeared Does anyone know where to contact?

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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:56:29 EDT
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]

The 351 Cleveland is not a truck engine really.
Try this site for 351 Cleveland car engine help and performance tips!

1960-1973 General Forum

Hope this helps!

Rollie H. Hunt
King, North Carolina
1976 F100 Explorer , 391 FT (428 Cubic Inches)

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:18:21 -0700

Well Jason, as soon as you find an official piece of Ford literature that
says that M stands for Modified and show it to me then I'll change my
statement but until then...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:52 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???


> It stands for Modified. As in a modified 400.
> Jason




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From: "Ross Johansson" alaska.net>
Subject: Re: 2v or 4v ??
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:22:21 -0800

I have a dumb question.....

i keep seeing 2v and 4v refrenced in regards to intake manifolds

what is the difference between them?
if i pull of a stock 2v will a 4v go in? or are the heads different?


Thanks
Ross

1967 F100 4x4
352
NP 435 4 speed




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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:56 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fwd: 351C 2V engine]


> The 351 Cleveland is not a truck engine really.
> Try this site for 351 Cleveland car engine help and performance tips!
>
> 1960-1973 General
Forum

>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Rollie H. Hunt
> King, North Carolina
> 1976 F100 Explorer , 391 FT (428 Cubic Inches)
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:38:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Last day

At 10:28 AM 4/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I'll be off line for a few days. Still don't have that home computer, and
>this is my last day in the world of employment.
>
>May God Bless and keep you all.
>
>Until we "meet" again - PEACE to ALL..
>
>Azie Magnusson
>Ardmore, Al

Hope I'm not too late....

Best wishes with the retirement! :-)

I'll see you at the Forge!

Ken



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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:38:45 -0400





> > Awhile back someone mentioned the possibility of installing a gauge on a
AUYTOMATIC TRANNY
=========================================================
I am not sure what the tranny temps are BUT i do know from my own expierence
and from tranny repair shops that HEAT is the biggest factor in tranny
failures
gordon
79 f100
69 f 100
62 t bird


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:43:10 -0700

yup...
I've heard from old tranny guys that for every 10 degrees you lower the
operating temperature of the fluid, you basically double the useful life of
the transmission.


> > Awhile back someone mentioned the possibility of installing a gauge on a
AUYTOMATIC TRANNY
=========================================================
I am not sure what the tranny temps are BUT i do know from my own expierence
and from tranny repair shops that HEAT is the biggest factor in tranny
failures
gordon
79 f100
69 f 100
62 t bird

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:07:02 EDT
Subject: Re: SWMBO

In a message dated 04/28/2000 4:57:37 AM !!!First Boot!!!, hartwell vt.edu
writes:

<< Perhaps I've missed it before, but could someone help me decode SWMBO? (S
stands for ___, W stands for ___, etc.) Thanks! >>

She Who Must Be Obeyed.........ya got THAT right! *High 5 to all the gals out
there!* And who says men are stupid? *wink* J/K guys! *hugs* GIRL POWER!!!!!!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:24:30 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???

Heck, if we trusted Ford's official literature, everyone would call the 351M
a Cleveland.
Ok, you want official Ford proof that they call it a Modified, (I was looking
up some info for something else and came across this) 2000 Ford Racing
Performance Parts catalog (Ford Motorsport), Pg 113 in red letters at the
bottom middle of the page it says "351M (Modified) and 400".
If you don't have this I can scan a picture of the page.
Jason

Bill Beyer wrote:

> Well Jason, as soon as you find an official piece of Ford literature that
> says that M stands for Modified and show it to me then I'll change my
> statement but until then...
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
> To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:52 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
>
> > It stands for Modified. As in a modified 400.
> > Jason
>
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From: GMontgo930aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:12:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Fans (now thermostats for fans)

In a message dated 4/28/2000 2:29:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlagroneford-trucks.com writes:

> Not at all illogical. I don't know at what temp a transmission runs. I would
> assume that it would be higher than the engine coolant since the cooler in
> the radiator is all most systems have. I would think the heads would warm
up
> faster than the block and be more stable, but then I guess the transmission
> would, too. Hmmm...an interesting mystery.
>

Well, Lets see what we can do about this mystery!

Ive been running a temp and pressure gauge on my 79 bronco w C6 for about 10
years now. It's powered by a somewhat built though not yet quite right 400.
This is basically what Ive seen in the readings.
My tranny temp tends to run about 200-210 down here in Fl. It does take
longer to warm up than the engine (about twice as long). Ive noticed that the
temp will go up fairly rapidly, and then drop much more slowly. For example,
in stop & go traffic Ive got to be careful or Ill really get it hot. Of
course towing and power breaking will heat it up even more. The hottest Ive
seen it go is 230. (I know this is hotter than I like, Ive never really
liked the replacement radiator I installed a wile ago. Has tended to run hot
since then (tranny, not engine. Even with cooler)

The pressure reads about 25 psi at idle and not much higher during a cruise.
But while accelerating or on the gas, the pressure will increase
dramatically. Ive gotten it up to 90 psi for short bursts. Makes a nice
indicator of the load you putting on the system (but then so does the low
mpgs when towing ;-)).

Your results may not be the same as mine, but I would imagine them to be
somewhat close. If you do it, let me know. Im curious to see what others read.

Why did I do it? Im a nut for gauges, had some lying round and frankly, was
curious myself.

George in Fl.

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:19:25 -0700

Hmmm...nope, still not buyin' it...those goofballs at Motorsports aren't my
idea of an "official" Ford source. Guess we'll just have to agree to
disagree on this one.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???


> Heck, if we trusted Ford's official literature, everyone would call the
351M
> a Cleveland.
> Ok, you want official Ford proof that they call it a Modified, (I was
looking
> up some info for something else and came across this) 2000 Ford Racing
> Performance Parts catalog (Ford Motorsport), Pg 113 in red letters at the
> bottom middle of the page it says "351M (Modified) and 400".
> If you don't have this I can scan a picture of the page.
> Jason




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From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Trimming posts

At 02:27 PM 28:04:2000 -0400, Travis McGlaughlin wrote:
>>From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Trimming Posts!
>>....but now things
>>are starting to look like the Contour list. And you
>>guys don't want any of that immature, free for all
>>going on here. Believe me!!! J. Allison
>
>Oh you said CONTOUR list. From that description I could have sworn you
>were talking about the Escort GT list.
>
>{-:

Yeah, I thought I was reading the SHO list a couple of times there,
the Contuor list I'm on ( not the national list ) seem to trim their posts
fairly well, too well in some instances...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: fuel pump block off plate

At 12:19 PM 28:04:2000 -0500, OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:
>Unfortunatley John, I think more than just a few people on the list have
>experienced bad service. not with just the above mentioned parts store. What
>ever happened to the "local" parts store where people were willing to help,

How true, My local "Al's Auto Supply" are famous for ignoring the GP that
walk up to the counter during the day, but at night, there is one guy that is
an old parts ape, he doesn't mind getting the books out to look for an obscure
part for an obscure car. One good example, SWMBO's 72 Capri, cap, condensor
rotor, plugs, and wires. "our computer doesn't go back that far". "I'll
come back
later." Go back after 6pm, talk to the "old" guy, all the parts are in
stock. So I tell
him about the earlier problem, and he says " those guys don't know how to read
a parts book, what did you expect??"

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 2v or 4v ??

At 01:22 PM 28:04:2000 -0800, Ross Johansson wrote:
>I have a dumb question.....
>
>i keep seeing 2v and 4v refrenced in regards to intake manifolds

2V = 2BBL intake, ie - what came stock on most trucks...
4V = 4BBL intake, ie - what you want to upgrade to on your truck...
8V-IR = Individual Runner Intake, ie - what we all would be running
if we made cubic dollars...

>what is the difference between them?
>if i pull of a stock 2v will a 4v go in? or are the heads different?

There are differances between 2V and 4V heads in the 335 (351C/M 400)
Engine family, But in other engine families the isn't much difference, except
for the 385 series of engines ( 429-460). You can install the correct
aftermarket 4V (4BBL) on 2BBL heads, if it's designed for the 2V heads.

Hope that's a little clearer now...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chad Morris yahoo.com>
Subject: don't use a GM 14 bolt

Don't use a GM 14 bolt rearend. The best has to be a
ford 10.25 inch rearend. Find them on one-ton picups
at any junk yard. One word of advice, change the
outer axle seals.

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