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61-79-list Digest Tue, 25 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 082

In This Issue:
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: Trucks for sale
Side Marker Light...
Re: Fans
Re: Intermitent wipers
Re: Intermitent wipers
battery ground on 351W ?
Re: Engine identity
Re: 20th century Lincoln 4x4
Re: 460 vs Modified
Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??
Re: battery ground on 351W ?
Re: Side Marker Light...
Re: Fans
Re: battery ground on 351W ?
Re: Engine identity
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??
Re: Parts counters was Engine identity
Re: 351W,C,M or 400
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: Parts counters was Engine identity
Trimming Posts!
Supercab bench seat
Re: Parts counters was Engine identity
Re: Trimming Posts!
Re: Supercab bench seat
Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??
Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
guesses on truck's worth?
Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Re: guesses on truck's worth?
Re: guesses on truck's worth?
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??
Re: Dana 70
Re: battery ground on 351W ?

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:50:47 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

Ain't that the truth.
Jason

James Oxley wrote:

> JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/25/00 8:45:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > derrar internetcds.com writes:
> >
> > << No problem. I have the same ailment from time to time.
> > The 9" isn't all that bad. But yes it does have it's shortcomings with a
> > 7K lb pickup with a camper and a boat in tow. But, if you really want
> > stout, the (I hate to say this) GM 14 bolt is much stronger than the Dana
> > 60.
> > Great Writeup OX!!! >>
> >
> > But Technically the 14 bolt is the GM equivalent to a Dana 70.
> >
>
> Both of them need pratically a 35" tires to keep from dragging diff on
> the road, LOL!!!!
>
> OX
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:57:43 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

I run 8 ply 255/85-16 tires on my F150. Stopping with a camper and a 7000 lb
trailer was not a problem with my 77 F150 4x4 (yes, it was "slightly"
overloaded, but thats the reason I drive a Ford, because I know it will take the
abuse), it was getting it all moving (with a 429) and trying to get decent
mileage doing it. Thats the reason I now have a F250 Powerstroke.
Jason

Southerland, Rich wrote:

> Seems you guys need to quit overfilling your trucks. If you have
> HD work, get a 1-ton dually and haul your camper and stones
> safely. Hope you don't hurt someone on road when you can't
> stop fast enough or a suspension, tire breaks. They also make
> multi-ply tires that won't "squat" with a load, just cost a lot more.
>
> Best thing I've done with my E150 was ditch the passenger car spec radials
> and go to a 6 ply truck tire.
> Rides better, stay cooler, and last longer. Weren't any more expensive when
> you figure in the increased tire life. Not to mention piece of mind...
> Rich
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:16:56 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Trucks for sale

77 F150 4x4 400, 4 speed, 205, 4.10 gears, body is a little rough, $2000southern Oregon
Jason

Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:

> Here's some goodies:1969 F-250,Arizona truck,360,automatic,mild cam,3:73 gears,2-wheel drive, $1,750.00 Six Lakes,Mich. (517)352-7762 Looks pretty good in picture!! 1966 F-100,Very nice condition,rebuilt 300 c.i.,new kingpins,shocks,exhaust,spray in bedliner,header,dual port intake,Carter AFB carb, $3,700 or best offer-with parts truck.Sturgis,Mich. (616)651-9718 1973 short bed,V-8,Automatic,Arkansas truck,needs some work. $1,500 Sand Lake,Mich. (616)636-5918 1969 F-100, 2 wheel drive,long bed,46,000 orig. miles,mint condition,S. Dakota truck,orig. paint,very well maintained,new exhaust, $3,495 Grand Rapids,Mich. (616)364-8962 Looks really nice in pi!
> cture!
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From: "Tim Neasham" 3-cities.com>
Subject: Side Marker Light...
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:49:24 -0700

At 10:32 AM 25:04:2000 -0700, Tim Neasham wrote:
> Now, if anyone knows where I can get ahold of a rear side-of-the-bed
marker light for a '69 Ranger, let me know! :)
> Mine's missing and NONE of the junkyards around here have one. Thanks.
>
>
> I don't think you're traveling to far from home, I think I saw one or two
at Sideline Auto Wrecking in Aberdeen, Wa last weekend...
>
> Steve & the Rockette

Okay, you caught me. None of the junkyards within 60 miles have one. I
haven't gotten the urge to replace it that bad just yet. At least not bad
enough for an hour's drive just to check. :)


Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special


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From: "sean michael bishop" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fans
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:49:48 EDT


I gained close to 45hp with a 16 in electric fan from Perma-Cool in my 460.
It cost me 88.99 from Jegs. But the real bonus is the fact that you loose
the drag and the weight of the stock fan off the crank. Plus you can fine
tune the tempeture. Like my truck makes the best horse power around 200
degrees when under a load so the fan doesnt kick on until 220 degrees and
shuts off at 180 degrees. It takes some time and experimenting but it will
make a difference.Hope this helps. Andy

>From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
>Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Fans
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:00:27 -0700
>
>how much horsepower gain would i see on my 390??
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sean michael bishop [mailto:eaglekeeper50hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 3:40 PM
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Fans
>
>
>Me personally, I would go with an electric fan if for no more reason than
>HP
>
>gains. Electric fans are well worth the money a dont burn out as much as
>some say. Plus you can set the fan thermostat at a certain temp for better
>combustion in the motor. Call me crazy but I swear it. It works wonders in
>my 79 F350.
>
>
> >From: "Gary Perry" fwi.com>
> >Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
> >To: "61-79 Ford trucks" <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
> >Subject: [61-79-list] Fans
> >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:27:42 -0400
> >
> >
> >I have and FT engine that I'm trying to put in 56 Big Truck. Need a
>smaller
> >fan. Problem is: Fan bolt spacing is wider on FT engines. Anyone ever try
> >to redrill holes in blades to match pump? The pump has a 3/4" center that
> >my fan doesn't use, it has a large 1-1/4 or so hole. I'm thinking the
>p/up
> >fans will have the 3/4" (or so) hole to center it and I need only drill
>new
>
> >holes.
> >Not sure if there is enough flat area on fan to allow this w/out being
>too
> >thin
> >at hole edge. The other choice is to drill the pump plate and I don't
>think
> >that would be as easy. Are all Ford fans about the same or do I need one
> >from the earlier FE type engines? Maybe I should get aftermarket flex-fan
> >to get more blades. Cooling may be a problem with this installation. Do
> >electrics have enough power to cool w/out help from eng fan?
> > "G"
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:16:04 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Intermitent wipers

>
> sorry, i guess i could have asked this earlier but what "kind" of 87 Ford
> truck (ranger, bronco, 150, 250, 350, van)??

Sorry about that, The switch came out of a 150, tho I think that the 250, and 350 would be the same. The van is entirely different.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crewcab
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:18:29 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Intermitent wipers

>
> My intermitent wiper switch and module came from a '73 T Bird.
> Jason

I had a 76 Lincoln that I used as a demo car 1 year. I grabbed everything electrical out of that car, and the plug was different between the car and the truck. I didn't want to butcher my harnes any worst than it is all ready.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crewcab
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:18 -0400
From: BECKER-JEFFREY macktrucks.com>
Subject: battery ground on 351W ?

--- Received from MACDGA.JB1882H 301-790-5580 00-04-26 09:18

Well, the yahoo PO has the negative battery ground going to
the right front intake manifold bolt (351W engine). Correct me if
I'm wrong, but I don't think this is very smart since this is a
torqued bold and in a sequence at that. Every car or truck I've
ever owned had the battery ground cable bolted directly to the
block with the block grounded to the chassis via a woven ground
strap at the back. Unfortunately on this beast, I can't find the
hole amidst the grease. (insert your favorite X-rated joke here).

Would someone please give me an accurate description to find
my way to this ground bolt location. Thanks, > Jeff

PS: the truck is a '77 but the 351W is not original so don't know
what year block if that matters.

---- 00-04-26 09:18 ---- Sent to ---------------------------
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:13:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine identity
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Hey John,
> you sure that was a 426?
> I had a caddy that had a 429, a '66 Factory Limo (6 window) and the
> parts chimps used to try to sell me '71 Torino parts for it...
>
> Steve & the Rockette

Pretty sure it was a 426 on paper, but could have easily been a 429 in fact.
Come to think of it, when you say 429 that does sound very similar to 425 so
I believe you are correct. CRS syndrome again. I have the same problem with
getting parts for my 351M sometime (FTE content). The parts guys seem to be
used to people who don't know what they have and of course the computer
can't be wrong. (All the rest of you cyber geeks quit laughing.)

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:23:27 -0500
Subject: Re: 20th century Lincoln 4x4
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> also started to
> remove the headlight delay switch with auto-dimmer, LOOKS like they bolt-on
> to my 1979 F-150 4x4,

If you get the headlight delay system, be sure to get it all. There should
be a daylight sensor up on the dash somewhere, typically in the left front
speaker housing. Under the dash in the maze there should be a timer and
relay box (one box). If it also has the auto dimmers, there will be an eye
under the hood in just behind the grille. Older cars had this eye mounted on
the dash and I have seen a few that mount above the windshield rear view
mirror.

Good hunting!! Someday I want to add cornering lights. By the way, JC
Whitney offers a Hamsar system that automatically turns on your headlights
at dusk and whenever you engage your wipers. I think it is about $40 plus
s&h.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "George Litton" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 460 vs Modified
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:42:15 PDT

I just recently got my 335-385 swap done. 500 miles on new motor. Should
have done it 10 years ago.

I don't know if this info pertains to 4x4 or not, so it may not be valid.
Motor mounts are easy. 390 GT mounts, with the bottom bolt hole slotted one
inch or so. 78 2wd has brake proportioning valve mounted right where
drivers side header came down. Had to move that. 335 style frame mounts
need serious trimming, but torch solved that problem quickly. All in all,
not too bad of a swap. Oil pan was no problem either, as I wound up with
more clearance than I started with. I used a 10 quart pan from a 429
Industrial motor. Good Luck!!!


>From: IanBoss69aol.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] 460 vs Modified
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:54:09 EDT
>
>Hey all, It's come time to either rebuild or replace my 351M, its leaking
>oil
>bad out the back between engine and tranny, and I figured while I had it
>pulled might as well rebuil it or put a new one in. so here is my question,
>I
>know alot of you have gone to 460's in your trucks, I also know that the
>460
>will bolt up to the 351M tranny, my question is will the motor mounts need
>to
>be changed? I'm sure they will but will the location be the same? and does
>anybody know where I can get the right mounts?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ian
>79 F250 351M 4spd
>True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:43:54 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??

Anyone know where I can get one? If not, I'll just make it out of alum
plate.

Thanks

OX

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:58:43 GMT
Subject: Re: battery ground on 351W ?


>Every car or truck I've
>ever owned had the battery ground cable bolted directly to the
>block with the block grounded to the chassis via a woven ground
>strap at the back.

I've seen them use a couple different approaches actually ... this is one of
the ground straps (back of intake/block to firewall), then there's usually another
that runs from the head or the block to the actual terminal on the battery (sometimes
via the chassis). I'd just find an open hole in the head or block and use that,
not too big of a deal if its in the block itself or the head ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:59:58 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Side Marker Light...

Thanks for your message at 11:49 PM 4/25/00 -0700, Tim Neasham. Your
message was:
>At 10:32 AM 25:04:2000 -0700, Tim Neasham wrote:
>> I don't think you're traveling to far from home, I think I saw one or two
>at Sideline Auto Wrecking in Aberdeen, Wa last weekend...
>>
>
>Okay, you caught me. None of the junkyards within 60 miles have one. I
>haven't gotten the urge to replace it that bad just yet. At least not bad
>enough for an hour's drive just to check. :)
>
>
>Tim Neasham
>Benton City, Washington
>'69 F-250 Camper Special

Man, you have one fast Ranger...




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1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:04:35 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fans

Thanks for your message at 02:49 AM 4/26/00 EDT, sean michael bishop. Your
message was:
>
>I gained close to 45hp with a 16 in electric fan from Perma-Cool in my 460.
>It cost me 88.99 from Jegs. But the real bonus is the fact that you loose
>the drag and the weight of the stock fan off the crank. Plus you can fine
>tune the tempeture. Like my truck makes the best horse power around 200
>degrees when under a load so the fan doesnt kick on until 220 degrees and
>shuts off at 180 degrees. It takes some time and experimenting but it will
>make a difference.Hope this helps. Andy

I got mine from an IROC (ugh!) and I am thrilled with the way the engine
responds without that darn fan...Works great, too, but only after hooking
it up to a relay...It took a wire fire to convince me that was necessary,
but I'm convinced now...






Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:32:30 -0500
Subject: Re: battery ground on 351W ?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>>Every car or truck I've
>>ever owned had the battery ground cable bolted directly to the
>>block with the block grounded to the chassis via a woven ground
>>strap at the back.
>
> I've seen them use a couple different approaches actually ... this is one of
> the ground straps (back of intake/block to firewall), then there's usually
another
> that runs from the head or the block to the actual terminal on the battery
> (sometimes
> via the chassis). I'd just find an open hole in the head or block and use
that,
> not too big of a deal if its in the block itself or the head ...

The battery cables you buy in the parts stores or Wal Mart, whatever, that
have the spade lug on both ends make excellent ground straps and you can get
them in various lengths. New wires are less likely to have internal
resistance. Many vehicles use an intake manifold bolt with a stud on top for
a nut as a point for the ground strap. I went from a vacant hole on the
intake manifold to a body bolt on the fender for my ground strap. Later I
added an air conditioner brace in that hole and now the strap is connected
to that brace. Use a split ring lock washer on both ends of your strap. Mine
did wonders for the starter.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:44:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Engine identity

In a message dated 4/25/00 7:25:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
canzusseanet.com writes:

<< I had a caddy that had a 429, a '66 Factory Limo (6 window) and the
parts chimps used to try to sell me '71 Torino parts for it... >>

I thought it was only Vegas that had retarded parts people. I got in an
argument with one girl that didnt understand the word "U-Joint" She didnt
speak very good english, really picked the wrong line of work. Finally I
took the keyboard and punched it all up myself. She got twerped and called
the manger over. By the time he got there, I already had the part# and told
her to go get em, The manager told me next time just ask for someone else, so
I replied with "I stood in line for 20 min so I could use the computer, she
just happens to be the person that touches the keyboard. She sucks, so I
eliminated the middle-person." Check mate Darrell!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:52:29 EDT
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

In a message dated 4/25/00 8:37:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
derrarinternetcds.com writes:

<< I'd say the 70 has a slight edge over the 14 bolt except for availability.
>>

Not that hard to find, I needed one got it in a day. Even got the HD version
with the larger bearings. Rear was $500 bucks, and 6 months down the road
needed $1200 worth of rebuilding, but I dont think I'll ever have to do it
again, its a nasty beefy HD son of a bricklayer, and I use it as a daily
driver with no load on it. Cant wait to stick a lock right in it....

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??

I saw one at my local carquest, give them a try. I think it was made by
Spectre, but I could be wrong. If you cant find one, holler and I'll go pick
it up for ya.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:14:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Parts counters was Engine identity
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I stood in line for 20 min so I could use the computer, she
> just happens to be the person that touches the keyboard.

I refuse to go to our local Auto Zone. I once stood in line for 30 minutes
while all of the counter people answered the phone. I yelled out "I wish I
had a phone so I could get some service." The head counter jockey says, "We
don't do things that way around here." I said, "You mean that you are going
to make all of us customers standing in line wanting to give you money stand
some more and you are going to answer the phones for people with questions?"
His reply, "Yep." "Not me." I says. "There are at least 5 other parts houses
in this town that will take my money." I and about ten other people left.
The counter guys just stood there staring. I still won't go in there unless
I need warranty exchange on a part for someone and that happened about 12
years ago. If I had a cell phone back then I would have called him from the
sales floor.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 351W,C,M or 400

There is one error here. The large boss on the block
at the distributor mount is a feature of the 351M/400.
On the 351C this boss is almostr level with the block.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>The 351C (Cleveland) is actualy related more to the M
>series family of engines than the W series. it has 8
>valve cover bolts, and the fuel pump bolts are
>arranged in a verticle fashion. not next to the pump
>side by
>side. telling a 351C from a 351M is a little tougher.
>the 351C has the small block bolt pattern when
bolting >to a tranny. in other words it will bolt up
in place >of where a 289,302,351W used to sit. 351C
also has
>a distinctive boss or is larger) at the distributer
>mount that is different from the 351M/400. I've never
>owned a 351C so I am unable to give better a
>description of it. now for the 351M (Midland). Ford
>originaly designated the M to mean to represent the
>Midland manufacturing plant but the dealers started
>calling the motors "Modified clevelands" to give the
>buyer a higher impression of a M series engine. The
>mechanics also refered to it as modified clevaland
due >to its close resemblance with the 351C. the
351M/400 >looks alot like the 351C but it has a big
block >bellhousing pattern (just like the 429/460)
also it >lacks (or is smaller) a distinguishing boss
where the >distributer mounts. everything else is
identicle to >the 351C (8 valvecover bolts, verticle
fuel pump >bolts, thermostat bolted to the block,)



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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:59:16 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

I've looked and looked for one around here, and all I find are Dana 60s. But,
under every 3/4 and 1 ton Chev product, I see a full floating 14 bolt just
waiting for the picking. At $200, they are good deals as well. Heck, for the
$1700 you spent on your 70, I can still get a military surplus (new) 14 bolt
with a Detroit locker and 4.56 gears with a warranty for around $1400.
Jason

JUMPINFORDaol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/25/00 8:37:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> derrarinternetcds.com writes:
>
> << I'd say the 70 has a slight edge over the 14 bolt except for availability.
> >>
>
> Not that hard to find, I needed one got it in a day. Even got the HD version
> with the larger bearings. Rear was $500 bucks, and 6 months down the road
> needed $1200 worth of rebuilding, but I dont think I'll ever have to do it
> again, its a nasty beefy HD son of a bricklayer, and I use it as a daily
> driver with no load on it. Cant wait to stick a lock right in it....
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:10:11 -0500
From: Bryan Kirking bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts counters was Engine identity

>I refuse to go to our local Auto Zone. I once stood in line for 30 minutes
>while all of the counter people answered the phone. I yelled out "I wish I

I will 2nd that.

>years ago. If I had a cell phone back then I would have called him from the
>sales floor.

Now that would cool.



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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:21:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: Trimming Posts!

Howdy folks!
Not to step on Kens toes as 'list dad' but can we
re-learn how to trim posts? Puh-leeeeze?!? We were
doing such a good job for quite a while but now things
are starting to look like the Contour list. And you
guys don't want any of that immature, free for all
going on here. Believe me!!! J. Allison


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From: David.R.Johndeluxe.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:07:22 -0500
Subject: Supercab bench seat

Can anyone tell me if any of the later 80+ supercab bench seats would fit
in my 78 supercab? I have the jump seats and would like to get a bench
seat, and the 70's vintage seats are hard to come by. Any other
suggestions........

Thanks,

David John
1978 F250 4x4 Supercab, 460, C6


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:13:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Parts counters was Engine identity
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>>years ago. If I had a cell phone back then I would have called him from the
>>sales floor.
>
> Now that would cool.

I once went to a doctor's office (in my Ford F150, of course) and upon
arriving found the door locked. It was time for my appointment. I whipped
out the old cell phone and told them to come unlock the door, it was cold
outside. They were embarrassed.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:18:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Trimming Posts!
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Not to step on Kens toes as 'list dad' but can we
> re-learn how to trim posts? Puh-leeeeze?!?

Not to step on Ken's toes is right. Here are some suggestions:

1. Try highlighting the part of the original message you want to quote, then
hit the reply button. On some (most?) packages, this will only quote what
was highlighted instead of the whole message. Next, type in what you want to
say.

2. After hitting Reply, highlight what you don't want, then go to Edit, Cut.
Next, type in what you want to say.

Using one of these two systems will keep you out of trouble...well, sort of.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:27:41 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Supercab bench seat



David.R.Johndeluxe.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if any of the later 80+ supercab bench seats would fit
> in my 78 supercab? I have the jump seats and would like to get a bench
> seat, and the 70's vintage seats are hard to come by. Any other
> suggestions........
>
> Thanks,
>

Not sure if you are talking front seat or rear (I assume front), but I
just yanked a 78 bronc front bench seat and if you want it you can have
it. I'm in central NJ. It'll need a cover, but it's not too horrible.

OX

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From: oldfords63juno.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:27:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?

Rich writes: Thanks everyone! Dennis Carpenter has the gasket (pad) for
$18.50
====================================================================
Rich- I see you found your gasket. I remember getting a new one at my
local dealer SEVERAL years ago, and he told me that the cargo light
itself is an inverted 60's T-Bird back up light, with a special wedge
shaped rubber gasket so it would fit the cabs contour and shine down into
the bed. That same light fits a 61-66 cab too. Be sure to rob all the
hardware and switch at the yard. I know that has nothing to do with what
you wanted, but it's amazing how much useless information you can keep in
your head till something triggers it to pop out ! I'll go take a nap
now.
Later, Phil ( 64 F-100 w/ stolen 71 cargo light & 77 switch )

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:34:05 -0700

Be sure to rob all the
hardware and switch at the yard. I know that has nothing to do with what
you wanted, but it's amazing how much useless information you can keep in
your head till something triggers it to pop out ! I'll go take a nap
now.
Later, Phil ( 64 F-100 w/ stolen 71 cargo light & 77 switch )

Enjoy that nap, Phil!

Got that covered! Got the switch, all the wiring, lens, and the hardware.
I don't doubt this light saw double duty as a reverse light for something
else. I'm still amazed it was GLASS. Why couldn't they have done that for
that cheezy dome light Ford put inside of the truck?








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From: "Gary Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:06:22 -0400

Seems the one from a C***y six is the same as older Ford V-8's,
the gasket and all. Maybe early V-8's too. "G"

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:45 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??


>Anyone know where I can get one? If not, I'll just make it out of alum
>plate.
>
> Thanks
>
> OX
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:33:26 -0500
Subject: Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'm still amazed it was GLASS. Why couldn't they have done that for
> that cheezy dome light Ford put inside of the truck?

Probably safety regs. Who wants jagged glass flying around during a bash?
Safety glass is probably not cost effective in that location. BTW, the Help!
section of your favorite parts store probably has a new lens for the inside
dome light. I think I paid about $4 for mine.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:39:40 -0700

>>Probably safety regs. Who wants jagged glass flying around during a bash?

Possible, but the screwed in place lens behind my head above the rear window
is the least of my worries should a crash occur...

>>BTW, the Help!
>>section of your favorite parts store probably has a >>new lens for the
inside
>>dome light. I think I paid about $4 for mine.

Nope. Your '79 is a far different animal. No Help! for me on this one...


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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: guesses on truck's worth?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 100 15:55:14 -0400 (EDT)

We may have to put our '78 up for sale--with a little one on the way,
we need something a bit less bestial for long trips. Plus, I have
next to zero time that I can devote to keeping this truck in top
form. I'd rather see it sold to a fellow Ford fan than slowly
turn into a jalopy for want of TLC.

It's a black '78 F 150 4x4, 300-I6, 4 speed manual, power steering and
brakes, no AC, excellent body-- almost zero rust. Original dashboard
vinyl is uncracked and unfaded. ~89K miles. Came from the factory with
EGR only, no catalytic converter or smog pump required--the valve cover
sticker that says this is still intact and legible.

New stuff since we bought it:

Rear leaf springs
Rear slip yoke and U joint
Ring gear
Starter
Clutch
Rear main seal (this and the clutch done at the same time as the
ring gear--not really needed, but worth doing while
the engine and tranny were separated...)
Radiator
Drag link
CV joints
Tie rods (I think that's what they are called--essentially all new
steering linkage)

We've got over five grand sunk in this puppy. I know we can't
get that much for it, but it's gotta be worth more than what the
banks say.

Any opinions?

--sean

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:15:29 -0500
Subject: Re: 67-72 cargo light, origins ?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>>>Probably safety regs. Who wants jagged glass flying around during a bash?
>
> Possible, but the screwed in place lens behind my head above the rear window
> is the least of my worries should a crash occur...

Agreed and I'll leave it at that.

>>>BTW, the Help!
>>>section of your favorite parts store probably has a >>new lens for the
> inside
>>>dome light. I think I paid about $4 for mine.
>
> Nope. Your '79 is a far different animal. No Help! for me on this one...

Sorry about that, Rich. There is so much stuff that stops at 80 and not
available for the 79, I understand the feeling.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: guesses on truck's worth?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:13:11 -0700

the guy that i bought my truck (1973 f250 4x4) was asking $7000 . . . i
actually ended up trading my 1991 Ford Explorer and a $1000 cash for it . .
. maybe i'm dumb but i really wanted this truck . . .
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck


-----Original Message-----
From: Sean O'Malley [mailto:somalleyvoyager2.cns.ohiou.edu]
Sent: None
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Cc: haughohio.edu
Subject: [61-79-list] guesses on truck's worth?


We may have to put our '78 up for sale--with a little one on the way,
we need something a bit less bestial for long trips. Plus, I have
next to zero time that I can devote to keeping this truck in top
form. I'd rather see it sold to a fellow Ford fan than slowly
turn into a jalopy for want of TLC.

It's a black '78 F 150 4x4, 300-I6, 4 speed manual, power steering and
brakes, no AC, excellent body-- almost zero rust. Original dashboard
vinyl is uncracked and unfaded. ~89K miles. Came from the factory with
EGR only, no catalytic converter or smog pump required--the valve cover
sticker that says this is still intact and legible.




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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: guesses on truck's worth?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 100 16:43:11 -0400 (EDT)

> . maybe i'm dumb but i really wanted this truck . . .
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck

Wow. I can see why you would want this one. Nice machine.

--sean


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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:18:37 EDT
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

In a message dated 4/26/00 7:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
derrarinternetcds.com writes:

<< Heck, for the
$1700 you spent on your 70, I can still get a military surplus (new) 14 bolt
with a Detroit locker and 4.56 gears with a warranty for around $1400. >>

True, but the thousands of dollars in therapy Id need in 20 yrs because I
contaminated one of Fords finest with a GM product doesnt equal out in my
opinion.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff plate for M block??

At 09:43 AM 26:04:2000 -0400, James Oxley wrote:
>Anyone know where I can get one? If not, I'll just make it out of alum
>plate.

I made one for my 292 in the '63, just use the gasket as the pattern...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: SHill48337aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:21:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Dana 70

Removed a Dana 70 from a 79 E-350 Van a couple of week ago. It is in very
good shape, got to drive the van. Tight, no leaks, ratio 4.10 to 1. Was
going to put in my truck, decided to keep the 60. If interested, would like
$350, but make offer.
Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: GMontgo930aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:58:44 EDT
Subject: Re: battery ground on 351W ?

I did somthing similar on my 79 Bronco. Had to replace the Neg cable and
screwed up. Got one that was WAY to long (80 in i believe). Well what I did
was to cut off the excess and reinstall a spade lig for teh block ground. The
excess I used as teh block to chassis cable with another spade lug going from
the same block ground as the batt cable to the inner fender well. (Got rid of
that cheesey braided cable at the rear of the manifold as it was ike shot).
Looks pretty cool to boot if one sees it.

Besides, I hated to waste a perfectly good, though overly long cable!

George in Fl.

In a message dated 4/26/2000 10:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlagroneford-trucks.com writes:

>
> The battery cables you buy in the parts stores or Wal Mart, whatever, that
> have the spade lug on both ends make excellent ground straps and you can
get
> them in various lengths. New wires are less likely to have internal
> resistance. Many vehicles use an intake manifold bolt with a stud on top
for
> a nut as a point for the ground strap. I went from a vacant hole on the
> intake manifold to a body bolt on the fender for my ground strap. Later I
> added an air conditioner brace in that hole and now the strap is connected
> to that brace. Use a split ring lock washer on both ends of your strap.
Mine
> did wonders for the starter.
>

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