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61-79-list Digest Mon, 24 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 079

In This Issue:
9 inch gear swap
Choice of engine for '67 F250
Re: 5-speed OD
Re: 4x4 Diesel
Re: Engine identity
Re: Tailgate for sale
Re: Engine identity
Re: Somebody save this one !
Re: Engine identity
Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Re: Kingpins Again!
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: Tailgate for sale
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Somebody save this one !
Re: 460 info.
Re: 351W,C,M or 400
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: 460 info
Re: Paint won't stick to metal.
460 Roller lifters
Re: Engine identity
Re: Paint won't stick to metal.
Re: Paint won't stick to metal.
Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Re: Kingpins Again!
Re: 4X4 Diesel
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Greetings and questions, of course!
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Re: 9 inch gear swap
460 Roller lifters
460 vs Modified
Intermittent wipers.
Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Re: Tailgate for sale
Re: 460 Roller lifters
Re: 9 inch gear swap
Mystery 4x4?
Re: Intermittent wipers.
Re: Intermittent wipers.
Re: Intermittent wipers.

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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: 9 inch gear swap
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:11:14 -0700

Howdy Clare,
We just went though a bunch of soul searching on this "do it yourself"
project and made the decision to have a specialty shop do the work. Most
places either don't know what a case spreader is and if they do know they
don't think they are necessary. Without one you can not accurately preset
the bearing load. Like I said, a good shop was the way we went and that was
with a fair bit of expertise available. I've put them in by guess and by God
but I truly have no idea of whether those bearings are happy or not. If it's
a keeper, go the expensive route with the warranty and all.
Just my buck three eighty worth.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.

the shop wants ~$500 if its out of the car, ~$600 if its in the car. I can
get a ring
and pinion and an installation kit including bearings from summit or the
like for
~$250. big difference money wise!

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From: "Bertolin" Ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:18:59 -0700

Guys, my brother just picked up a 67 F250 camper special with 3:55 rear
gears and a C-6 transmission. It had a 390 in it but it wore out. My brother
would like to use the truck as a daily driver and would like the list's
opinion on what engine to go with. He is considering the following:
351 Windsor or 351 Windsor long rod (custom built) or 360 or 390 with 360
heads or one of the 460's which he knows nothing about. Would the 351
Windsor save at the pump? What engine would you guys recommend for this
truck?
Thanks in advance for the info,
Roberta with 1965 custom cab.

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From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:14:56 EDT
Subject: Re: 5-speed OD

have you checked into an overdrive unit? i've heard of some that go in
between the trans and rear end. i remember seeing a boss 429 mustang once
that had a overdrive unit bolted to the rear end, but i have no idea who made
it.

jeff grant

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From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:18:39 EDT
Subject: Re: 4x4 Diesel

didn't the 6.9's have an adapter plate, to match a 460 bell housing pattern?

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine identity
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:43:52 -0400

> I have a similar problem identifing my engine....
> Would you happen to know what the bore
> and stroke of a 352 would be?

oddly enough, it is listed in my books as being
the same as those of a 351

4.00 bore, 3.50 stroke

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From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:46:11 EDT
Subject: Re: Tailgate for sale

i have a tail gate off a 78, i want 75.00 for mine, thats alot cheaper than
the junk yards around here.

jeff grant

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine identity
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:48:40 -0400

> The problem comes in that a 352 and 360 share a
> crank, so you have to actually measure the bore to
> get the size of the motor ...

both the 360 and the 352 have 3.50 stroke
the 352 has 4.00 bore, the 360 has 4.05 bore
(the 390 has 4.05 bore and 3.78 stroke)

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Somebody save this one !
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:55:19 -0400

I saw that ad in the Ohio Auto & RV book.Looks like it could be an
interesting project.
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Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Somebody save this one !

>I saw this in a regional trader paper. Sure hope somebody finds a home for
>it.
>
>65 F-350 4x4, strong V-8 and running gear, restorable bed, solid body, new
>tires,
> $1500, Fennville, Mich. 616-561-2917
>
>(looks like it has the usual cab & fender rust, but it's pretty cool
anyway.
>Odd thing is, it has a 64-66 "Styleside" bed?? I thought all the 4x4's of
>that vintage had a 57-60 bed?) Maybe it's a "home built"....dunno.
Hello
>Bill Ballinger ??
> Later, Phil (64 F-100 & 63 Galaxie)
>
>
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From: Natp244

cs.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:52:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Engine identity

>> I have a similar problem identifing my engine....
>> Would you happen to know what the bore
>> and stroke of a 352 would be?

>oddly enough, it is listed in my books as being
>the same as those of a 351

>4.00 bore, 3.50 stroke

Not really that odd- the 351 really measures 351.9 cid- which, if rounded,
would make it a 352. I think Ford must have decided to call it a 351 to keep
from confusing it with "THE" 352. There were some questions about this on
the FTE message board once- you might be surprised to find other situations
like this- such as a 302 (301.5cid) does not actually measure 5.0L- but more
like 4.94- which would be rounded to 4.9, but I'm sure it was done to avoid
confusion with the 4.9L (300cid).
I'm glad Ford did it this way. It's hard enough to get a button pusher
behind the counter at the local parts store to got the right part now- just
imagine what it would be like if you had to explain which 352 you were
talking about!

Nathan
64 F-100's
90 F-150

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: 351 W, C, M or 400 ???
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:59:58 -0400

> 1) How do I confirm that it is in fact a Windsor 351
> and not from the Cleveland or "M" plant?

A Windsor block engine looks a lot like the 302; the
giveaway is that if the water outlet/thermostat housing
mounts on the intake manifold, its a Windsor. If the
water outlet/thermostat housing mounts on the block,
its a C or M.

> 2) What city does the "M" signify?

Officially, the M stands for "Midland", but the M block
series shares a lot of parts with the Cleveland, and many
mechanics at the time referred to these engines as
"Modified Cleveland". The terminology stuck, and thus
the reference "Modified" or "Modified Cleveland" is more
commonly used.

The 351M uses the same bell housing parttern as the 400,
429, and 460; the 351C uses the same bell housing pattern
as the 300 I6, 255, 289, 302, and 351W.

To the best of my knowledge, the 351C was last built for
the 1974 model year; the 351M replaced it for the 1975
model year in cars, and the 351M replaced the 360FE for
trucks for the 1977 model year.

> 3) External difference between 351 and 400?

there are no external visual differences between the
351M and 400. Just a different crankshaft and pistons.

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From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:06:01 -0500

Roberta, I would stay with the FE series engines(360,390). If he decides to
swap in another series engine, he'll have to swap a lot of other parts,
including trannies. The 390 is a good, strong engine with a good torque
curve that won't have to work very hard to get and keep his truck moving
down the road. Plus, he's got the extra power for passing and hauling fairly
heavy loads. I think smaller engines sometimes get poorer mileage because
they are working harder to do the same amount of work a bigger engine would
do. A 460 would have to do even less work than a 390, but then he'll have a
major swap job ahead of him. Just my opinion,

Jason Kendrick
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Subject: [61-79-list] Choice of engine for '67 F250

> Guys, my brother just picked up a 67 F250 camper special with 3:55 rear
> gears and a C-6 transmission. It had a 390 in it but it wore out. My
brother
> would like to use the truck as a daily driver and would like the list's
> opinion on what engine to go with. He is considering the following:
> 351 Windsor or 351 Windsor long rod (custom built) or 360 or 390 with 360
> heads or one of the 460's which he knows nothing about. Would the 351
> Windsor save at the pump? What engine would you guys recommend for this
> truck?
> Thanks in advance for the info,
> Roberta with 1965 custom cab.
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:23:06 -0500
From: Craig Cantrell kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Kingpins Again!

That stud should be a tapered bolt thru the axle and king pin. Leave the nut on
it a little less than flush and drive it out of the axle. Once it is out, you
should be able to drive the king pin down with big brass drift punch and big
hammer. May have to heat the axle if frozen. Good luck!

WICoWbOy19

aol.com wrote:

> Ok, list, I know a few weeks ago this was a topic and I have them on file but
> I am not at home. My great new toy (the '77 Explorer I just put up for sale
> yest decided to start throwing fits) decided to desintegrate all of its
> fresh grease in the wheel bearings and completely lock up. Spindles trashed
> to say the least. I am 350 miles from home without even a shop manual. I
> need to get the spindle off and am unsure of how to get the kingpin out. I
> have removed the grease fitting cap type deals on both ends and on the side I
> removed the nut off the stud. My question is what next? I remembered that
> nut being a bolt which acted as a wedge, you remove it and pound the kingpin
> out, but this one was just a nut on a stud so i am lost. Is this someones
> rigging and I just need to unthread the stud somehow and continue or? There
> is a junkyard down the road, if I can get this old spindle assembly off I can
> go get a new one and head home. Just gotta figure out how to get it off.
> Any responses would be appreciated so I can get home. Once again it is a '77
> F-150 4x2. Thanks all.
>
> WiCowboy
> WiCowboy19

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:27:52 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

There is no carrier split on the 9". This only applies to the Dana
differentials.
Jason

Don Grossman wrote:

> >hi gurus---
> >
> >how complex is it to do a ring and pinion swap in a 9" with traction
> >loc? i have a
> >rear with 3.9 gears and want to switch to 3.50 for economy and
> >drivability. never
> >really worked with rear ends before, but am reasonably mechanically
> >inclined. the
> >shop wants ~$500 if its out of the car, ~$600 if its in the car. I
> >can get a ring
> >and pinion and an installation kit including bearings from summit or
> >the like for
> >~$250. big difference money wise!
> >
> >anybody know a good source of instructions for doing such a swap?
> >blow up diagrams
> >of a 9" trac-loc rear? primers on rear ends in general?
> >
> >tia for all bits of knowledge,
> >
> >clare
>
> not much help in the set up area but you are going to need to find
> out if the gears are 3.89 or 3.92 There is a carrier split here. if
> I remember right 3.89 and down are one carrier and the 3.92 and up
> are a different carrier. I'm a little fuzzy on all the specs but
> just something to double check first.
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon

mac.com
>
> 43 GPW
> 63 F-100 4x4
> 77 F250
> 99 Contour
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:34:02 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Tailgate for sale

It will fit and work. But it will look different.
Jason

Keith Kubiak wrote:

> I don't think so....maybe someone else on the list knows for sure. 67-72
> are the same body style, but in 73 things changed some.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Bottles" austin.ppdi.com>
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> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 7:22 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tailgate for sale
>
> > Would yours fit a '74? I need a tailgate for my F350.
> >
> > Howardb
> >
> > Keith Kubiak wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll beat that deal...same thing $30 in San Diego Ca. 1 small dent
> (about
> > > 1") and some minor surface rust on the top. No chrome, plain Jane. You
> pay
> > > shipping.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
> > > To: <61-79-list

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> > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:25 PM
> > > Subject: [61-79-list] Tailgate for sale
> > >
> > > > Saw this in the local paper, and thought someone might
> > > > be interested in it.
> > > >
> > > > " '67-'72 Ford pickup tailgate, came from Texas,
> > > > very solid, $40. Call (570) 247-2701 "
> > > >
> > > > The phone exchange indicates that the place is in
> > > > Bradford County, PA. I have not seen or inquired
> > > > about this tailgate; just figured I would pass along
> > > > the info.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Deacon" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:28:35 -0700

From: Clare

> how complex is it to do a ring and pinion swap in a 9" with traction
loc?

Lucky OX did the tech article on this
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/9inch/index.html to see what's up.
Good job on the article OX. I wish shop manuals were written as well as
this.

P.S. The site looks great Ken! Man, it's fast. With all that's there, it
downloaded extremely quick. I was almost fooled into thinking I had a
faster connection. ;)

Later!

Deacon

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From: ballingr

bootheel.net
Subject: Somebody save this one !
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:40:21 -0500

I saw this in a regional trader paper. Sure hope somebody finds a home for
it.

65 F-350 4x4, strong V-8 and running gear, restorable bed, solid body, new
tires,
$1500, Fennville, Mich. 616-561-2917

(looks like it has the usual cab & fender rust, but it's pretty cool anyway.
Odd thing is, it has a 64-66 "Styleside" bed?? I thought all the 4x4's of
that vintage had a 57-60 bed?) Maybe it's a "home built"....dunno. Hello
Bill Ballinger ??
Later, Phil (64 F-100 & 63 Galaxie)
>>>>>>>>>>>

The wheelbase on the 65-66 F250 4X4 was 120 inches, the 2X was 115 or 129.
The F100 4X4 got the pretty bed in '66, the wheelbases had changed to fit
the standard body. The F250 4X4 soldiered on for another year with the
'57-'60 bed

The F350 would likely have been the same as the F250. Most were stake beds
anyway. I'm not sure if the 4X4 had a stretched wheelbase stakebed or not,
but I'm prety sure they didn't get the pretty bed. I'm just speculating,
but it could be a 2 wheel converted to 4 wheel. Stretching the wheelbase
would leave some strong evidence. Just my guess.

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From: Rubberducky23

webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:20:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: 460 info.

on a 460 cyl#1 is the forward cylender on the right side (passanger
side) the cylenders are numbered 1234 on the passanger side, and 5678
down the drivers side. your firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8.

Good Luck,
Laters, Danny Ling

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From: Rubberducky23

webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:45:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: 351W,C,M or 400

the 351W (Windsor) is the easiest to recognize. the valve covers have
only have 6 bolts holding them on (just like the 302) and the firing
order differs from the 302.

The 351C (Cleveland) is actualy related more to the M series family of
engines than the W series. it has 8 valve cover bolts, and the fuel pump
bolts are arranged in a verticle fashion. not next to the pump side by
side. telling a 351C from a 351M is a little tougher. the 351C has the
small block bolt pattern when bolting to a tranny. in other words it
will bolt up in place of where a 289,302,351W used to sit. 351C also has
a distinctive boss or is larger) at the distributer mount that is
different from the 351M/400. I've never owned a 351C so I am unable to
give better a description of it.

now for the 351M (Midland). Ford originaly designated the M to mean to
represent the Midland manufacturing plant but the dealers started
calling the motors "Modified clevelands" to give the buyer a higher
impression of a M series engine. The mechanics also refered to it as
modified clevaland due to its close resemblance with the 351C. the
351M/400 looks alot like the 351C but it has a big block bellhousing
pattern (just like the 429/460) also it lacks (or is smaller) a
distinguishing boss where the distributer mounts. everything else is
identicle to the 351C (8 valvecover bolts, verticle fuel pump bolts,
thermostat bolted to the block,)

the only difference with a 351M and 400 is the crank shaft and the
pistons they even share the same rods. all internal differences.

I hope this helps ya,
Laters, Danny Ling

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:25:28 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

Pat wrote:
>
> Howdy Clare,
> We just went though a bunch of soul searching on this "do it yourself"
> project and made the decision to have a specialty shop do the work. Most
> places either don't know what a case spreader is and if they do know they
> don't think they are necessary. Without one you can not accurately preset
> the bearing load. Like I said, a good shop was the way we went and that was
> with a fair bit of expertise available. I've put them in by guess and by God
> but I truly have no idea of whether those bearings are happy or not. If it's
> a keeper, go the expensive route with the warranty and all.
> Just my buck three eighty worth.

Ken just posted my 9" rebuild the other day. I don't think you need a
case spreader on a 9" to set bearing preload. After you have snugged up
bearings, it's easy to figure out how far (extra) carrier bearing
adjusters need to be rotated to get the pre-load. Each hole to hole on
side adjuster is .005 inches of side to side movement. Since I already
figured it out, all you have to do is read the article, :-)

http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/9inch/index.html

OX

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 460 info
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:06:07 -0700

>
> >Can anyone
> >tell me the firing order and which is the number one
> cylinder on a 460?
>

Firing order I'm not sure on but as far as which is cylinder 1, a mechanic
told me to look at any V8 block from the side and cylinder that is furthest
forward is number 1.

Tom H

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Paint won't stick to metal.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:06:09 -0700

>
> Recently I told you guys that I bought a '78 F250. Well on
> either side, just
> behind the hood and around where the antenna (on the pass
> side) is, the
> steel looks galvanized, and paint wouldn't stick for years.
> Any ideas? I'm
> thinking about getting the whole truck painted anyway, but
> I'd hate for the
> new paint not to stick too!
>
> Steve S.
>

Sounds like you're talking about the fender skirts. Yeah they are
galvanized and I wouldn't expect paint to stick very well. Personally I
would remove the fender skirts and paint the truck and keep the galvanized
finish.

Tom H.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:13:47 -0700
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: 460 Roller lifters

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:10:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine identity
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'm glad Ford did it this way. It's hard enough to get a button pusher
> behind the counter at the local parts store to got the right part now- just
> imagine what it would be like if you had to explain which 352 you were
> talking about!

Even then, they still have problems. I had a 67 Cadillac with a 426 which
the parts guys were forever trying to sell me parts for a 77 with a 425.
Totally different block, but to them it has just a cubic inch and I told
them wrong....

-- John
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:25:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Paint won't stick to metal.
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>> Recently I told you guys that I bought a '78 F250. Well on
>> either side, just
>> behind the hood and around where the antenna (on the pass
>> side) is, the
>> steel looks galvanized, and paint wouldn't stick for years.
>> Any ideas? I'm
>> thinking about getting the whole truck painted anyway, but
>> I'd hate for the
>> new paint not to stick too!
>>
>> Steve S.
>>
>
> Sounds like you're talking about the fender skirts. Yeah they are
> galvanized and I wouldn't expect paint to stick very well. Personally I
> would remove the fender skirts and paint the truck and keep the galvanized
> finish.
>
> Tom H.

I think he (she? Sorry, I forgot the original poster) means the cowl where
the fresh air intake and the windshield
wipers are. This piece is galvanized on many makes, not just Fords. I sanded
mine just like everything else, then primed it, then painted it with the
finish coat. You might try wiping it down with thinner on cheese cloth that
matches your paint type just prior to the shoot. Mine has been in the hot
Texas sun for three summers. So far it has held up well. Keep your paint
code so that you can match later. Old Ford trucks that have been restored
are magnets for door dingers and dinghy drivers.

-- John
jlagrone

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Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Paint won't stick to metal.

>
> >
> > Recently I told you guys that I bought a '78 F250. Well on
> > either side, just
> > behind the hood and around where the antenna (on the pass
> > side) is, the
> > steel looks galvanized, and paint wouldn't stick for years.
> > Any ideas? I'm
> > thinking about getting the whole truck painted anyway, but
> > I'd hate for the
> > new paint not to stick too!
> >
> > Steve S.
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
hi
you will need to ETCH these areas for the paint to stick to them and use a
type of metal prep i think its called this is available from ANY auto paint
supplier if you dont the paint will peel off as you said it has done
gordon

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:53:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250

>351 Windsor or 351 Windsor long rod (custom built) or 360 or 390 with 360
>heads or one of the 460's which he knows nothing about. Would the 351
>Windsor save at the pump? What engine would you guys recommend for this
>truck?

I'll second Jason on this one (it was Jason who posted that wasn't it?) Anyway...

Likely the Windsor would save a little at the pump, but probably not enough
to off-set the cost of the conversion (different tranny, different motor mounts,
etc.) ... A good tuned FE can pull down 12 regularly for mpg, at least mine
does with the 3.55 gears. I haven't gotten my 390 up to that 12 mark yet, but
my worn out 360 was there and the 390's at 10, so I'm hopin with a little tuning
I'll get it up to the 12 again ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:54:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Kingpins Again!

> I am 350 miles from home without even a shop manual. I
>need to get the spindle off and am unsure of how to get the kingpin out

Hmmm, if you're stranded this far out, why not remove the entire I-beam and
just get another from the salvage yard, then you can fix yours when you get
home and have all the tools required ...

just an odd thought

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:55:47 GMT
Subject: Re: 4X4 Diesel

> Its for an '89 F-250 with the 6.9L Diesel. I've
>got a great offer on this truck, but the owner has sold the factory tranny

>and transfer case. I need to find the parts and the price before I buy it!

Check the classifieds, there was a C6 and a BW 1356 for sale there yesterday,
not sure what motor they were out of, but you never know you might hit it right
on.

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:02:15 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

>There is no carrier split on the 9". This only applies to the Dana
>differentials.
> Jason
Thanks Jason

For some reason I was stuck in front diff mode. Been awake
to many hours at the time I guess.

Just read the Ox article and all I have to say is wow! I
really like the last line, that is why I run a dana 60 in the rear:)
Broke an axle shaft pulling out the parts store and that was the last
straw for me. No matter how strong people say the 9" is it just
can't hold 6K lbs of rock worth a damn ( I'm ducking under desk now)

Laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdon

mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: Mvrknutron

aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:38:05 EDT
Subject: Greetings and questions, of course!

Hello and thank you, to all of you!
I am a long time 'lurker' (since '96 ?!) and have been a 'sponge' for the
entire time (there is MUCH great knowledge here!). I am the proud owner of a
'65 F 100 Custom Cab Camper Special named RDYNASR (Yep, "he's" posted in the
pictorials!) and have a question which I don't recall seeing discussed
before. I (and a truckin' buddy) are both "restifying" our 'rigs' and have
come to a hurdle which requires the expertise of this "distinguished panel".
Can someone clue 'us' in on the 'proper' color for the red on the hood
emblems of this vintage (61-66 that is)... Thom B. are you there? Alas, 35
years of California sun has been kind to the chrome but severely detrimental
to the once vibrant red portions of them.

Secondly, what is/are the differences between the wiring schemes of these
guys vs. the later (70's) trucks that "allow" the 'park lamps' to remain lit
when the headlights are on...is it the light switches (I doubt it, too easy!)
or in the wiring? I want to add some side marker lamps (like the 'later'
trucks) so all the other 'nitwits' can better see me at night.

Apologies for the 'long' post, and TIA for your feedback!

Ron S. & RDYNASR
"Its' better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all
doubt"

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:50:27 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

No problem. I have the same ailment from time to time.
The 9" isn't all that bad. But yes it does have it's shortcomings with a
7K lb pickup with a camper and a boat in tow. But, if you really want
stout, the (I hate to say this) GM 14 bolt is much stronger than the Dana
60.
Great Writeup OX!!!
Jason

Don Grossman wrote:

> >There is no carrier split on the 9". This only applies to the Dana
> >differentials.
> > Jason
> Thanks Jason
>
> For some reason I was stuck in front diff mode. Been awake
> to many hours at the time I guess.
>
> Just read the Ox article and all I have to say is wow! I
> really like the last line, that is why I run a dana 60 in the rear:)
> Broke an axle shaft pulling out the parts store and that was the last
> straw for me. No matter how strong people say the 9" is it just
> can't hold 6K lbs of rock worth a damn ( I'm ducking under desk now)
>
> Laters
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon

mac.com
>
> 43 GPW
> 63 F-100 4x4
> 77 F250
> 99 Contour
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:44:56 -0700
From: Clare Waterman-Storer scripps.edu>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

that article is great on the tech section. thanks james!

sounds like a do-able weekend project. that was all i needed!!

clare

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:46:19 -0700
From: Clare Waterman-Storer scripps.edu>
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

James-

would the instructions in that article change if the rear were a
trac-loc?

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:43:55 -0700
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: 460 Roller lifters

Hello: Going to try this again. Does anyone know who makes hydraulic
roller lifters for the old style 460 blocks? I don't want the solid
ones as they are mostly for racing apps.

Thanks
John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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From: IanBoss69

aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:54:09 EDT
Subject: 460 vs Modified

Hey all, It's come time to either rebuild or replace my 351M, its leaking oil
bad out the back between engine and tranny, and I figured while I had it
pulled might as well rebuil it or put a new one in. so here is my question, I
know alot of you have gone to 460's in your trucks, I also know that the 460
will bolt up to the 351M tranny, my question is will the motor mounts need to
be changed? I'm sure they will but will the location be the same? and does
anybody know where I can get the right mounts?

Thanks

Ian
79 F250 351M 4spd
True Blue Ford Blue

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:53:45 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Intermittent wipers.

Good morning.

This is a not to all on the list that want intermittent wipers on there 73-79 Ford
trucks. I had been searching high and low ant the local yards for the box and the
switch for my truck. Unable to find 1 in a truck I went looking else where. The cars
of the 70's have a totally different plug, so I scrapped that idea for a bit. Last
weekend I found an 87 Ford truck with the intermittent wipers, so I grabbed the switch
and control box. Low and behold, plugs right in. The only minor difference is that
the new switch has a separate ground wire. No big deal. Both of my trucks now have
intermittent wipers. Next project, factory power windows.
Just thought I would share.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crew cab
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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Choice of engine for '67 F250
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:02:56 -0700

> Guys, my brother just picked up a 67 F250 camper special with
> 3:55 rear
> gears and a C-6 transmission. It had a 390 in it but it wore
> out. My brother
> would like to use the truck as a daily driver and would like
> the list's
> opinion on what engine to go with. He is considering the following:
> 351 Windsor or 351 Windsor long rod (custom built) or 360 or
> 390 with 360
> heads or one of the 460's which he knows nothing about. Would the 351
> Windsor save at the pump? What engine would you guys
> recommend for this
> truck?
> Thanks in advance for the info,
> Roberta with 1965 custom cab.
>

I would really say rebuild the 390. I have gotten between 11-13 mpg with
mine. It has 3:00 gears and a 9 inch rear end. As your truck is a 3/4 ton
I wouldn't put anything smaller in it. Bump up the compression, put a
torque cam in it and a tight torque converter and it should be very
reliable.

Keep in mind that a swap to any other engine will require a new transmission
because the bolt pattern is different on the trans to engine block flange.

Good luck

Tom H

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Tailgate for sale
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:02:58 -0700

>
>
> i have a tail gate off a 78, i want 75.00 for mine, thats
> alot cheaper than
> the junk yards around here.
>
> jeff grant

Is it stock Ford? Got any pictures? What shape is it in?

Tom H.

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Roller lifters
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:09:43 -0400

Check out the Ford Motorsports SVO Catalog.If they can't help you,maybe
they can point you in the right direction.
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Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 11:59 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 460 Roller lifters

>
>Hello: Going to try this again. Does anyone know who makes hydraulic
>roller lifters for the old style 460 blocks? I don't want the solid
>ones as they are mostly for racing apps.
>
>Thanks
>John MacNamara
>78 F250 4X4 Supercab
>
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From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:05:31 EDT
Subject: Re: 9 inch gear swap

In a message dated 4/25/00 8:45:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
derrar

internetcds.com writes:

<< No problem. I have the same ailment from time to time.
The 9" isn't all that bad. But yes it does have it's shortcomings with a
7K lb pickup with a camper and a boat in tow. But, if you really want
stout, the (I hate to say this) GM 14 bolt is much stronger than the Dana
60.
Great Writeup OX!!! >>

But Technically the 14 bolt is the GM equivalent to a Dana 70.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: pdesanto

Cinergy.com
Subject: Mystery 4x4?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:14:23 -0400

��pdesanto

Cinergy.com wrote:
��<< Maybe it's a "homebuilt"....dunno. >>
=============================================
��It would have to be home built, or at least an aftermarket job. An F-350
4x4
��didnt exist from Ford till the mid 70's, 75 I think. Darrell
=================================================
Yeah, I knew that, but figured it was just a typo. It's probably is just a
3/4 ton. It's got 8 lug white spokes in the tiny picture. The more I think
about that bed though, I'll bet it's a "homebuilt" Phil ( 64 4x4...doin
the same thing )

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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: Intermittent wipers.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:19:23 -0700

thanks!!! motorcraft still sells the switch but the box is discontinued . .
. now i know where to get mine . . .

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To: 61-79-list

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Subject: [61-79-list] Intermittent wipers.

Good morning.

This is a not to all on the list that want intermittent wipers on there
73-79 Ford
trucks. I had been searching high and low ant the local yards for the box
and the
switch for my truck. Unable to find 1 in a truck I went looking else where.
The cars
of the 70's have a totally different plug, so I scrapped that idea for a
bit. Last
weekend I found an 87 Ford truck with the intermittent wipers, so I grabbed
the switch
and control box. Low and behold, plugs right in. The only minor difference
is that
the new switch has a separate ground wire. No big deal. Both of my trucks
now have
intermittent wipers. Next project, factory power windows.
Just thought I would share.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crew cab
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From: Michael_Taylor

vfc.com
Subject: Re: Intermittent wipers.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:33:35 -0400

Matt Senn avistacom.net>

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thanks!!! motorcraft still sells the switch but the box is discontinued .
.
. now i know where to get mine . . .

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Subject: [61-79-list] Intermittent wipers.

Good morning.

This is a not to all on the list that want intermittent wipers on there
73-79 Ford
trucks. I had been searching high and low ant the local yards for the box
and the
switch for my truck. Unable to find 1 in a truck I went looking else
where.
The cars
of the 70's have a totally different plug, so I scrapped that idea for a
bit. Last
weekend I found an 87 Ford truck with the intermittent wipers, so I grabbed
the switch
and control box. Low and behold, plugs right in. The only minor
difference
is that
the new switch has a separate ground wire. No big deal. Both of my trucks
now have
intermittent wipers. Next project, factory power windows.
Just thought I would share.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crew cab
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From: Michael_Taylor

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Subject: Re: Intermittent wipers.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:33:38 -0400

Matt Senn avistacom.net>

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Subject: [61-79-list] Intermittent wipers.

Good morning.

This is a not to all on the list that want intermittent wipers on there
73-79 Ford
trucks. I had been searching high and low ant the local yards for the box
and the
switch for my truck. Unable to find 1 in a truck I went looking else
where.
The cars
of the 70's have a totally different plug, so I scrapped that idea for a
bit. Last
weekend I found an 87 Ford truck with the intermittent wipers, so I grabbed
the switch
and control box. Low and behold, plugs right in. The only minor
difference
is that
the new switch has a separate ground wire. No big deal. Both of my trucks
now have
intermittent wipers. Next project, factory power windows.
Just thought I would share.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crew cab
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