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61-79-list Digest Wed, 19 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 074

In This Issue:
Re: (WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
direct oil pressure gage
Re: direct oil pressure gage
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: direct oil pressure gage
auto tranny transfer case adapters
Re: direct oil pressure gage
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: 77 Dashboard Help
Re: auto tranny transfer case adapters
Dieseling
Adj rockers FE
Re: Dieseling
pwr-steer conversion
Re: Performance Radiator
Re: Performance Radiator
Re: Performance Radiator
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
1964 - Should I buy it?
FE rocker shaft questions
Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Sealing Headers
Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Another new list member
Re: Performance Radiator
78 4x4 engine swap
Re: pwr-steer conversion
Engine swap
Re: 78 4x4 engine swap
Re: 77 F100 Questions

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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:28:05 AKDT

Shawn,

I have a crane HMV-272-2 HYD.MAX VELOCITY cam shaft. I like it, but it
isn't the best low end cam. It still has plenty of power off idle, but when
you hit about 2000 RPM it really pushes my truck hard. What kind of mileage
you get with it depends on your intake, carb, and exhaust. I have a stock
4bbl carb with stock intake and exhaust and I can get 12 or so when I'm not
into it. On my web site there is a link to the cam card and a wav file of
my truck.

schu

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:31:19 -0500
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Nope, by a hose.

Ox, I said I was confused. Thanks for straightening me out. I didn't think
of the dealer installed air, that's a good point.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:39:18 -0500
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Is it just me, or does driving around with this much gas sound crazy? Id
> love the driving range, but my luck, Id spend the 250 bucks to fill it all up
> and some nut would T-bone me, setting me, my truck, and my 250 dollars in gas
> on fire!
>
> Darrell

Well, I wouldn't want to be sitting on that much gas either let alone pay
for it. He had it set up this way because he pulled the trailer to Alaska
and back. I understand that gas stations are few and far between on the
Alcan Highway.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:54:06 -0400

I have heard a rumor that soaking the gaskets in soapy water(dish washing
liquid soap) & then installing them will help this situation.I have never
had this problem as of yet so I have never had to try it myself.
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From: Matt Schu hotmail.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:26 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] headers leaking on a 351M


>M guys,
>
>I have a friend that has a 351M with full length headers in his truck, and
>he can't get them to seal against the head. He changes the gasket and it
>seems that the problem goes away for a day or so, but then it starts
leaking
>again. We have looked for copper gaskets for the M block be we can't find
>any....
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>schu
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:17 -0400
From: BECKER-JEFFREY macktrucks.com>
Subject: direct oil pressure gage

--- Received from MACDGA.JB1882H 301-790-5580 00-04-19 13:17

I'm sure some of you guys have used the cheapie "Made In Taiwan"
gage sets sold in various auto parts stores and catalogs. These
were in my truck when I bought it and am wondering what your
thoughts are on reliability and accuracy. In particular, the OIL
PRESSURE GAGE.

This is a direct hook-up to the engine via a small diameter
translucent plastic tube. I can see oil droplets in it. Should
there be air pockets in it? Does this line need to be bled first
to yield a proper reading? If so, how is this done?

The temperature gage is connected to the top of the intake
manifold via a stiff wire which I am assuming is actually a
thermocouple.

I am looking for a manifold vacuum gage to go with these two so
that I would have three direct readings of engine performance.

Also, why all the emphasis on ammeters? Isn't a voltmeter a better
indicator of impending charging system doom?

Thanks for the read,

Jeff (yes, my F100 did originally have air since the heater box in
the engine compartment has stubs of "in" and "out" Freon lines
sticking out of its inboard side. I have an old York compressor
from an AMC and may eventually cobble the system back together
with junkyard pieces...that is if I can steal some R-12 from
somewhere)

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:15:49 -0500
Subject: Re: direct oil pressure gage
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> This is a direct hook-up to the engine via a small diameter
> translucent plastic tube. I can see oil droplets in it. Should
> there be air pockets in it? Does this line need to be bled first
> to yield a proper reading?

I had one of those once on a bowtie pu. It bled all over my foot. I swore to
never have one like that again. If memory serves me, you don't have to bleed
it, but if the plastic is old and split you will lose pressure to the gauge
as well as crankcase oil.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:23:51 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> > Nope, by a hose.
>
> Ox, I said I was confused. Thanks for straightening me out. I didn't think
> of the dealer installed air, that's a good point.
>

No problem, only reason I know for sure is I just yanked all that crap
out of that truck 3 days ago. It's still real fresh, LOL!!!

OX

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:34:27 -0500
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> No problem, only reason I know for sure is I just yanked all that crap
> out of that truck 3 days ago. It's still real fresh, LOL!!!
>
> OX

I hear that! Something I used to have to take apart regularly was fed by
molded duct work. A snap to take apart but it was a dog to get everything
lined up to put it back together.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:47:13 GMT
Subject: Re: direct oil pressure gage

> In particular, the OIL
>PRESSURE GAGE.
>

I don't really know for accuracy, as long as things aren't bent badly there
shouldn't be any issues. I can't really think of anything that really matters
if its 100% accurate anyway (if you only have a pound of oil pressure is that
any better than 0 on a gauge ?).

>This is a direct hook-up to the engine via a small diameter
>translucent plastic tube. I can see oil droplets in it. Should
>there be air pockets in it? Does this line need to be bled first
>to yield a proper reading?

I've always seen them with air pockets in them ... if you were to not have any
at all I think the gauge would pulse a bit as the pump turned because of the
way the pump works, leaving the air in there won't change the actual pressure
but will cusion the pulses ... gas is compressible, but since its contained
on all sides, with a constant pressure put on the end of it it will cause the
reading to be fairly accurate ...

>I am looking for a manifold vacuum gage to go with these two so
>that I would have three direct readings of engine performance.
>

Just go to your local autoparts store, they should have one ... if not, I think
I saw one at the Car Quest warehouse, so I'd guess their stores carry them.
Can't think of any brands off the top of my head ... motor minder, that's what
they're sometimes called!


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:06:17 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: auto tranny transfer case adapters

I have a 79 Bronco and 79 F250 C-6/NP205 combos (both married). The
F250 TC adapter is about half the size of the Bronco. I have to assume
the outpout shaft on the F250 trans is also half the length. What was
the reason for this. I was planning on using the F250 trans in the
bronc, but I guess that idea is out unless I mod both driveshafts.

OX

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:02:51 -0400
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Re: direct oil pressure gage

Just to throw in my opinion on this:

I've run Autometer Sport Comp, Pro Comp, and UltraLite guages (full sets on
all three in all of my trucks), both mechanical, and electric versions,
(including oil pressure with bubbles of air in line that go away as soon as
you start the motor) and I haven't had a single problem with ANY of them.
Pick up your summit racing catalog. For a few extra bucks, they go a long
way as far as durability and design. I love 'em, and I watch my guages
vibrate and get water and dirt all over them and in them, and they still
work great and accurately.

8-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


At 05:47 PM 4/19/00 GMT, you wrote:
>> In particular, the OIL
>>PRESSURE GAGE.
>>
>
>I don't really know for accuracy, as long as things aren't bent badly there
>shouldn't be any issues. I can't really think of anything that really
matters
>if its 100% accurate anyway (if you only have a pound of oil pressure is that
>any better than 0 on a gauge ?).
>
>>This is a direct hook-up to the engine via a small diameter
>>translucent plastic tube. I can see oil droplets in it. Should
>>there be air pockets in it? Does this line need to be bled first
>>to yield a proper reading?
>
>I've always seen them with air pockets in them ... if you were to not have
any
>at all I think the gauge would pulse a bit as the pump turned because of the
>way the pump works, leaving the air in there won't change the actual pressure
>but will cusion the pulses ... gas is compressible, but since its contained
>on all sides, with a constant pressure put on the end of it it will cause the
>reading to be fairly accurate ...
>
>>I am looking for a manifold vacuum gage to go with these two so
>>that I would have three direct readings of engine performance.
>>
>
>Just go to your local autoparts store, they should have one ... if not, I
think
>I saw one at the Car Quest warehouse, so I'd guess their stores carry them.
> Can't think of any brands off the top of my head ... motor minder, that's
what
>they're sometimes called!
>
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:28:00 GMT
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions

>Hey guys, I am new to the list also. I have a '77 F150 4X4 SWB with a 351M,

>4spd. I also have the dual tank option, but my fuel supply remains on the
>tank that I switch it to. If I select main then it remains on main.
>

This is the norm, the one John was talking about was something someone else
had installed themselves ... no idea why you'd do it that way really, but I've
heard of others doing similar stuff (like an aux tank that gravity feeds to
the main tank!)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:36:32 GMT
Subject: Re: 77 Dashboard Help

>Thanks to everyone for the help I received in fixing the instrument cluster
problems in my 77 F250 4x4. I replaced the whole unit with one from a '79 Bronco
and still no working fuel guage, but what the heck, everything else works like
a gem; even the Ammeter!!! Another project for another day :)

Fighting fuel gauges on recently purchased vehicles is a favorite past time
around here ... I have had to fix the one on the truck about 7 times ... the
first 5 were because the truck is wired for 2 tanks but only has one ... and
when you plug the spare wire onto the transfer case it grounds the gauge out
and reads full all the time ...

To check the gauge I'd start by crawling under the truck and finding the sending
unit on top of the gas tank ... unplug this and look inside ... there should
be a plug or 2 in there. Ground this against a bolt or something on the chassis
(be sure its a good ground) ... then go turn the key on and look at the gauge,
if it reads full then the gauge itself is okay ... I'd check the terminals then
to be sure they had a good connection. If it doesn't move at all, start checking
wiring and such to see if there are any bare spots or cuts. If all this looks
good, then try replacing the gauge itself (sounds like you've already done that)
...

If all the connections are good and clean, then the problem is either the sending
unit or the float is on the bottom of the tank... if you hear something rattling
around, then its probably a sunk float and you'll need a new one, or to dry
the one you've got out and solder it up.

The sending unit isn't hard to replace, except for the whole drop the tank step
... then there's a locking ring that you can tap to unscrew (actually just a
quarter turn lock maneuver like the gas cap itself) ... then it should all slide
out through the hole in the top ... anyway that might be more than you wnated
to know... be sure you don't have much gas in the tank when you attempt that,
its HEAVY (7lbs/gallon + tank weight adds up fast!)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:47:22 GMT
Subject: Re: auto tranny transfer case adapters

>I have a 79 Bronco and 79 F250 C-6/NP205 combos (both married). The
>F250 TC adapter is about half the size of the Bronco. I have to assume
>the outpout shaft on the F250 trans is also half the length. What was
>the reason for this.

I would have to guess that they were afraid of drive shaft lengths is why they
put the extra extension on there, but I can't really believe that the front
drive shaft would be any shorter on a bronco than on an F250 since they're essentially
the same from the grille to the back of the front door right? But I wonder
if the shorter wheelbase would be more prone to a torque steer of some sort
if the drive shafts are vastly different lenghts? Also I'd think you're more
likely to lift a bronco than a 250, so the equal length drive shafts (or closer
to equal) would make it easier to lift ...

Just a thought and
Just my $.02
wish

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Dieseling
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:34:28 -0400

Matt writes: >>I am having problems with the timing in my truck. When I
turn the
distributor one way (don't remember which way) my truck pings like crazy,
when I turn it the other direction, it diesels when I turn it off.

Any suggestions on how to fix it?<<

If it is idleing too fast it will do this.. Try slowing it down to around
700rpms idle and see what happens...This is not necessarily FE related.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al



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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Adj rockers FE
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:38:39 -0400

Matt writes: >>I want to change my rockers to the adjustable type on my
390. Can I just
purchase factory replacement adjustable type rockers and use them on my
non-adjustable type shaft? In one of my catalogs it lists two different
part numbers for the shafts, anyone know why? Anyone recommend a source
for
this, I know crane has a kit to convert the rockers.<<

I believe the adjustable shafts have different holes in them for oiling
than the non adjustables. There is a difference someplace in the shafts
and I think that is it. You'll need the pushrods also. They are cupped on
the top end instead or the "balled" type for non adjustables. The "ball"
being on the bottom of the adjuster screw in the rocker.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Dieseling
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:47:29 -0700

The pinging may also be caused by carbon build up in your cylinders. I have
had success with running a product from GM called Auto Tune Up/Conditioner
in a can. You pour 3/4 of it down the carb with the engine running. Then
stall the engine and pour in the remaining 1/4 can. Let it sit for 15
minutes and then start the engine. Lots of smoke will come out your tail
pipe. Too much carbon build up in the cylinders increases your compression
and then your vehicle will ping on the low octane gas. It then makes it hard
to time because you start timing it where it diesels in order to stop the
pinging. It has worked for me on a couple of motors.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Dieseling


> Matt writes: >>I am having problems with the timing in my truck. When I
> turn the
> distributor one way (don't remember which way) my truck pings like crazy,
> when I turn it the other direction, it diesels when I turn it off.
>
> Any suggestions on how to fix it?<<
>
> If it is idleing too fast it will do this.. Try slowing it down to around
> 700rpms idle and see what happens...This is not necessarily FE related.
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:21:26 -0700
Subject: pwr-steer conversion
From: "George E. Pauline" volcano.net>

hello all
In reference to a 62 f100 4x4, other than a ford 600 series steering set up,
can anyone out there reccomend a junk yard alternative? getting too da.. old
to wrestle those 35 incher's!
amador1

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:36:00 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis p3.net>
Subject: Re: Performance Radiator


Group,
hows this for a deal..Here in Pa/Nj we have an auto parts place called
Advanced
Auto Parts(was Parts America owned by Sears once) anyway they always
claim to have most parts in stock, So I went in with I need a radiator for a
68
F-100 4x4 390 truck and Low and behold they had it on the shelf!!!ANd the
kicker
is its a 3 row Modine for a price I couldnt Believe $109.00 ..they had to
pick
me up off the floor...Is this a good price??I think so..
joe


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:53:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Performance Radiator

>68
>F-100 4x4 390 truck and Low and behold they had it on the shelf!!!ANd the
>kicker
>is its a 3 row Modine for a price I couldnt Believe $109.00 ..

Seems like the one for my truck was $240 or so ... its probably the same one
now that I think about it ... but then people out here drive them til they rust
out, then put a 2wd body on it and drive it some more ... so they charge wonderful
prices for things like radiators ... something about farmers idling through
fields with hay racks causes those old motors to run a bit warm ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Performance Radiator
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:54 -0400

We have the same store here in NC. I just bought a 4 row Modine with the
tranny cooler for $199. It should be here Thurs. I looked around for a
while and most other places were anywhere between $220 to $250 for the same
radiator. There are two radiators listed for a '68. One is relatively
cheap $199 or so and the other is around $350. If I remember correctly, the
part numbers were 2302 and 2304. The 2302 had a smaller core than the 2304.

Wish, depending on which radiator you needed you may have gotten a deal.

-Ted
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From: wish ford-trucks.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Performance Radiator


>>68
>>F-100 4x4 390 truck and Low and behold they had it on the shelf!!!ANd the
>>kicker
>>is its a 3 row Modine for a price I couldnt Believe $109.00 ..
>
>Seems like the one for my truck was $240 or so ... its probably the same
one
>now that I think about it ... but then people out here drive them til they
rust
>out, then put a 2wd body on it and drive it some more ... so they charge
wonderful
>prices for things like radiators ... something about farmers idling through
>fields with hay racks causes those old motors to run a bit warm ...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>



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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:55:27 -0700
From: mclough page.az.net (Michael Clough)
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M

get a gasket set from napa that is made from Nitroseal by Victor. I used
them on my 400 rebuild with Hedman headers and have yet to have a leak.
My machinist recommended them to me. I think the napa # is 95081SJ.
These exhaust gaskets are very similar to the ones that mercruiser uses
now and I can tell you from experience that they are way easier to get
off than standard paper ones. They just scrape right off. You don't even
have to get out the wire wheel. Hope that helps, mike

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From: "Robert Werner" postmaster.co.uk>
Subject: 1964 - Should I buy it?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:12:21 +0100

A buddy of mine has a 64 1 ton 2 wheel drive dually (3 wheels on the rear axle, hmmm) w/ a 292 and a 3 speed. He bought it for 175 bucks last fall, go it running, then parked it out back. I'm considering buying it, but I was just wondering what you guys out there thought. It'll need some rust repair on the cab, and there's no bed, but since I won't have it on the road for awhile, that's no problem, I can always manufacture some flatbed or something. I've thought about maybe just putting add-a-leafs in just to pick her up a tiny bit, not much. Maybe someday after I hit the lotto or something I'll convert her to 4x4, but that's only if I get real bored. Also, how hard would it be to put a 390 in there? My grandfather worked for Ford, and that, he said was one of Ford's best engines. Thanks, Robert

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From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: FE rocker shaft questions
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:15:30 -0500

FE guys,

I want to change my rockers to the adjustable type on my 390. Can I just
purchase factory replacement adjustable type rockers and use them on my
non-adjustable type shaft? In one of my catalogs it lists two different
part numbers for the shafts, anyone know why? Anyone recommend a source for
this, I know crane has a kit to convert the rockers.

>>>>>>>

What I have are Federal-Mogul 1.76 adjustable stock type rockers. You have
to get solid-lifter shafts and ball and cup pushrods. Here are the part
numbers:

SEA/RS720 Rocker Shaft. Solid-lifter style, 2 required. List $28.78 each.
SEA/R821 Rocker Arm. Adjustable 1.76 ratio, 16 required. List $14.32
each.
SEA/RP3230R Pushrod. Ball and cup style, 16 required. List $11.94 each.

If you are going to rev hard, you may want to consider end supports
available from Dove Performance parts , Part Number 82106 $160 kit and
Spacers, Part Number 82115 $30 kit to take the place of the springs on
your rocker shafts that tend to let your rockers walk around. I don't have
the end stands, if I break a shaft I'll get them.

Another modification I've made is to put my stock aluminum rocker stands on
the bandsaw and cut an open slot in one side to make them clamp the shaft
better. Do this at your own risk, though, and be careful to not take any
more away than you have to. It kills vibration. I also place a #90 jet
out of a Holley under the rocker stands that supply oil to the shafts to
restrict the oil. Just press them in and install the shafts. Be careful
when you disassemble though to make sure they don't fall somewhere bad when
you lift the stand.

That's all I have to say about that.


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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:48:54 -0400

what i have done a few times on bushings that are ALMOST the right size but
too tight to install into the crank is freeze them in DRI ICE
WORKED FOR ME
GORDON


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:00:31 EDT
Subject: Re: 460 Pilot Bearing

< too tight to install into the crank is freeze them in DRI ICE
WORKED FOR ME
GORDON>>


Great idea, but what bushing did you start with?
Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: "Chris Samuel" email.msn.com>
Subject: Sealing Headers
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:45:24 -0700

FWIW, here are 10 tips that I have found over the years of building and
using headers on everything from Racing 4 Cylinders to Diesels.

First.
Buy Quality Headers! You can easily tell quality, even without actually
seeing the headers; though it do help to see em. The Flange(s), the one that
is bolted to the head will be 5/16" thick minimum. If it is any thinner pass
em up! Look thick gage tubing (14/16Ga.).

Second.
Most headers are welded to the Flange(s) from the head side creating a kind
of "O"ring around the port. This must be FLAT and the same height on every
port. If your having problems look at this ring carefully and see if it is
low in the area that leaks. If it is you have 3 choices: File it flat if
possible, Weld it up and then file it flat, or replace the header!

Third.
The tubes should be "Brazed" to the flange on the outside with a nice
smooth radius. This will increase both the sealing and the life of the
header. You can do this yourself, but you must bolt the flange to a head
while it is being done. Most machine shops will practically give you an
otherwise junk head if you are a customer and tell em what you want it for,
some will even take it back when your done! I have found that sand blasting
the area helps immensely with the brazing. Make sure that the bolts sit flat
after doing this.

Fourth.
Stainless steel headers will out live mild steel 10 to 1. and cost 10 times
more! The flanges on Stainless steel headers if one piece must be mild
steel if you want them to seal in the long run.

Fifth.
As mentioned if you are experiencing sealing problems soak the fiber
gaskets in water before installing. If you really cant get them sealed soak
two gaskets overnight and stack em, then pull the bolts down snug and fire
the engine. Get it warmed up and shut it down. When it is stone cold and not
before tighten the bolts back up. Then check the bolts every day for a
week.
If this don't do it, you need to rework or replace the headers.

Sixth.
Never over tighten the header bolts! They only need to be tight enough to
not back out. If you over tighten the bolts and you have thin header flanges
you will bend the flange(s). Once this happens you will not seal em and have
to rework or replace em. Don't use never-seize on header bolts. Most
never-seize compounds cant take that kind of heat. Use Calcium Carbonate
instead. Yep dipping your bolts in antacid is a sure fire way to prevent
heartburn later when the bolt is stuck in the head!

Seventh.
The reason gaskets fail is heat not pressure. If your engine is out of tune
it can generate excessive temperatures in the exhaust system. Cast iron
manifolds can tolerate this heat slightly better due to their greater mass.
But, even Cast iron will warp and crack! If the header is in good shape and
your failing gaskets check you timing and mixture settings chances are their
off.

Eighth.
Do not use Lock-Washers on the head flange. They wont work in the long run
and will chew up the header. The Lock-Washer is made out of a heat treated
steel that it designed to dig in and resist turning by being a spring. If
you repeatedly heat and cool a lock washer it relaxes and no longer acts
like a spring; the second that the lock washer relaxes the bolt will be
loose! The amount of torque required to properly set the lock washer is
often higher then the bolts should be tightened to. Safety wire, Stage-8, or
just check em once in a while.

Ninth.
Flange bolts should be Grade 8. Grade 5 will stretch real fast and you will
leak. If you remove the flange bolts and they have been in use more then a
year, replace em.

Tenth.
Fix all leaks as fast as you can. A leak will locally heat the flange and
can erode it making it difficult to ever get it to reseal.


Later.
Muel



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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:31:59 -0400

what i did was find a bushing just close enough to ALMOST fit then freeze it
and install it
gordon
>
>

> < but
> too tight to install into the crank is freeze them in DRI ICE
> WORKED FOR ME
> GORDON>>
>
>
> Great idea, but what bushing did you start with?
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:48:59 -0700

<
love the driving range, but my luck, Id spend the 250 bucks to fill it all
up
and some nut would T-bone me, setting me, my truck, and my 250 dollars in
gas
on fire!

Darrell>>


Gee Darrell, with that capacity you could have filled up 10 months ago for
150 bucks and the few gallons you had left would have hardly sputtered.:)


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" hotmail.com>
Subject: Another new list member
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:04:43 PDT

Hi guys, I thought that I would introduce myself too. I'm Marty from South
Dakota, I was lurking on the list about 7-8 months ago, but had to stop to
change jobs, but I'm glad to be back. This is the most helpful group I've
found.

My pride and joy is my '73 F100 2wd with a 390. I have added chrome rims,
chrome airgate, lighted running boards, cab lights, '79 grill and bumper,
Edelbrock 4v. The next big task is body work and paint, but that will have
to wait for the piggy bank to grow.

It's good to be back, I hope I can add something usefull to the list, I know
I will get alot from it.

Marty
______________________________________________________


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From: L7514aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:23:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Performance Radiator

They don't have any for a "78 f-100 Ranger 302 auto with a/c. They will
tell you that they do, but don't be fooled, take your old one down there &
compare. Same thing at Auto Zone.

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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:34 -0500
From: Bruce Montcombroux BrandonU.CA>
Subject: 78 4x4 engine swap

Thanks for all the response on my front end question...this list is great
ain't it?

Next question..will a 300 I6 fit on the NP 435 4spd? The truck currently has
a dead 390..I have a live 300...

Thanks tons
Bruce
65 Mercury 240 I6 P/U



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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:57:05 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: pwr-steer conversion

>hello all
>In reference to a 62 f100 4x4, other than a ford 600 series steering set up,
>can anyone out there reccomend a junk yard alternative? getting too da.. old
>to wrestle those 35 incher's!
> amador1


Well I can relate with my 63 but I had a bit of a different
start. The PO installed a power steering box off a Chevy 4x4 which
mounted outside the frame rail. To perform the modification he had
to cut a hole in the frame rail under the box, not good. There was a
little rubbing on the pitman arm and reduced turning radius to the
right but not too bad. That was until the steering arm bolt on the
top of the knuckle decided to continue to break over and over again.
This was with 33". So in came a 78 3/4 ton axle and 35". Cured the
busted bolt but now I couldn't steer to the right worth a damn. Now
all the extra stress on the hole under the box was getting too much
so off it all came. My choices were to go with a crossover steering
setup using 78-9 1/2 4x4 parts. The crossover design might work
better with my total lift down the road to fit 36-38" tires. Second
choice was to go with a 78-9 steering box from a 3/4 ton 4x4. I
could keep the front to rear steering setup and have the box mounted
inside the frame rail or use a 2 wheel drive box conversion to
accomplish the same thing. I chose the crossover steering setup.

I was looking for a softer front suspension rather than the
custom springs that were rather stiff even with a winch and bumper on
the front so going with the crossover steering, coil suspension
similar to the 1/2 ton made sense to me. For you it might make more
sense to go with the 2 wheel drive box conversion ( less expensive
than 3/4 ton 4x4 box) as several other members of the list can attest
to. My little steering fix has turned in to a multi year completely
torn off the front end, changed my mind, building custom radius arm,
thinking about going with Air springs, should I use the 3/4 ton axle
or use a 1/2 ton axle with 3/4 ton parts, what the hell do I do now
project.

My advise is plan ahead and plan ahead some more. I thought
I planned ahead but not enough it seems :(

Which ever box you choose make sure your steering arm on the
knuckle is in good shape. The power steering put more force on the
arm than it was designed for and with the extra tire weight and
traction of larger wheel & tire combos
--
Don Grossman
duckdonmac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:53:43 -0400
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Engine swap

You'll have to swap bellhousings to a smallblock np435. They aren't hard
to come by in junkyards and usually go for $50 bucks a pop around here.. 8-)

You'll also need to move your motor stacions, (we are talking about the '78
4x4 right? wait, no 390's in '78... no 390's in 4x4's..... Are we talking
4x4 or 2x4???) I'm not sure on the 2 wheel drives, but the 4x4's are the
same and just get relocated 2.5 inches into predrilled holes in the frame.
I would think 2x4's would work the same way. I have heard swapping sides
with the 2 wheel drive stancions is how you do a 300 - FE swap. Throttle
linkage is also an issue (get a lockar cable system from summit for $25
bucks), along with a neat trick on how you can run the 360 radiator on the
300. (can you tell I've done this swap?) There are a lot of little simple
things that have to be taken into consideration, but no big obstacle in
your way except for that bellhousing really.

8-)

Tony Marino
redneckraex.com


At 10:43 AM 4/20/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks for all the response on my front end question...this list is great
>ain't it?
>
>Next question..will a 300 I6 fit on the NP 435 4spd? The truck currently has
>a dead 390..I have a live 300...
>
>Thanks tons
>Bruce
>65 Mercury 240 I6 P/U
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:00:53 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: 78 4x4 engine swap

>Thanks for all the response on my front end question...this list is great
>ain't it?
>
>Next question..will a 300 I6 fit on the NP 435 4spd? The truck currently has
>a dead 390..I have a live 300...
>
>Thanks tons
>Bruce

With the right bell housing. You will not be able to use the 390
bell housing with the 300 six. A small block bell housing should be
an easy find in the junk yard.

laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdonmac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:49:59 EDT
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions

In a message dated 4/19/00 10:52:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sjensensrworldnet.att.net writes:

<< Gee Darrell, with that capacity you could have filled up 10 months ago for
150 bucks and the few gallons you had left would have hardly sputtered.:) >>

I doubt that, Ive got a thirsty 460 and a lead foot, maybe 2 weeks, but
nowhere near 10 months!

Darrell

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