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61-79-list Digest Tue, 18 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 073

In This Issue:
Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)
ammeter
Re: Break In Oil
79 1 ton 4x4 for sale
Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)
Re: pigeon forge
Re: pigeon forge
New Member
FE Distributor
headers leaking on a 351M
FE rocker shaft questions
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Re: New Member
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Re: Break In Oil
(WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement
Re: (WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement
Pilot bearings
Re: New Member
Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Solid axle
Re: Solid axle
77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: trouble while towing
350 vs 351
Re: 460 Pilot Bearing
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: FE Distributor
Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)
Re: 77 Dashboard Help
Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: FE Distributor
Re: Pilot bearings
Re: 77 F100 Questions
Re: Pilot bearings
Re: FE Distributor

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:40:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)

I had this happen twice so far. The coil seems to short out and lose spark
when hot, yet work fine when cold. The problem also can mask itself so that
it appears to be a fuel delivery problem. That will drive you nuts!

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

> Sure enough the coil
> had leaked. I changed the coil, readjusted the timing and away it went. I
> have for
> years thought that a coil was good or dead. I guess there are a number of
> morals to
> the story and I am going to remind myself again and again to check more
> thoroughly
> before jumping to conclusions.

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From: "Dale and Donna Carmine" navix.net>
Subject: ammeter
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:39:15 -0500

>My ammeter also doesn't move.
>I will try some of the remedies GMontgo930 mentions, to see if I can get
>the thing to perform as it's supposed to.

Denny,
Tom Hogan has the solution for this one. Increase the resistance value of
the shunt. I have been through many 73-79 FT's and none of them have a
working ammeter! I did mine about 18 months ago according to Tom's
instructions and it's been great since.
What amazes me is that Ford built these trucks for years this way and never
made any attempt to fix it.

later,
dale c
'79 f-150

ps I've been off the list about 6 months.....it's good to be back.





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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Break In Oil
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:40:57 CDT

Ted,
I am a few weeks away from firing up my 460. I plan on using Valvoline SAE
30wt RACING oil. My mechanic friends told me to break the engine in with the
oil I use daily. Hope this helps!

Luke Phillips
67 F100 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 Super Nats Bound!

>From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Break In Oil
>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:12:54 -0400
>
>It won't be long before my 410 will be ready for it's mainden firing and I
>need some advice on break in oil. My cam manufacturer is recommending an
>SE
>or SF grade oil. All I can find is SJ or SH. The parts guy said as long
>as
>lettering was above SE or SF I would be fine.
>
>What do you guys think?
>
>This will be my first engine run in and want to make sure things go as
>planned.
>
>-Ted
>
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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:44:08 EDT
Subject: 79 1 ton 4x4 for sale

i saw a truck for sale today in a construction magazine. i left the book at
my shop but if anyone is interested let me know and i can get the number
tomorrow. it read:
1979 4x4 1 ton, good mechanical condition, but ugly cosmetics, it had a
utility body on the back of it. price was $1,950.00


jeff grant

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:24:56 -0400

I will have to try that on my '78.It acts the same way when it is cold(runs
good) & runs like crap when hot.I've already replaced all the vacuum
hoses,changed the accelerator pump,and made some adjustments to the carb &
replaced the fuel filter but still have the same problem.I will let you know
if there is a change after I replace the coil.
-----Original Message-----
From: TBeeee aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:42 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)


>I had this happen twice so far. The coil seems to short out and lose spark
>when hot, yet work fine when cold. The problem also can mask itself so
that
>it appears to be a fuel delivery problem. That will drive you nuts!
>
>Stock Man
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
>1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
>
>> Sure enough the coil
>> had leaked. I changed the coil, readjusted the timing and away it went.
I
>> have for
>> years thought that a coil was good or dead. I guess there are a number
of
>> morals to
>> the story and I am going to remind myself again and again to check more
>> thoroughly
>> before jumping to conclusions.
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: pigeon forge
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:28:56 -0400

I am aware of that show also.The show that I,m referring to is the Grand
Trucking Nationals in July from the 14th-16th.This is only the second year
for this show--but I thought it was a good show last year.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted and Sarah Freeman ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: pigeon forge


>Tim,
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim and Pam Allgire williams-net.com>
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:44 AM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: pigeon forge
>
>
>>July 14th-16th.
>
>The F100 Super Nats are May 18-21st in Pigeon Forge at the Grand Hotel.
>
>-Ted
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: pigeon forge
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:40:27 -0400

I'm not referring to the F-100 nationals!!! I'm referring to the GRAND
TRUCKING NATIONALS held at the same place(Grand Hotel) on the 14th -16th of
July.For additional info go to : www.corvetteexpo.com That is what it
says on my flyer that I have for the show.This show is open to ALL MAKES &
MODELS of trucks.
-----Original Message-----
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:11 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: pigeon forge


>In a message dated 4/18/2000 11:46:21 AM EST, tim-pam williams-net.com
writes:
>
><< 61-79-list] Re: pigeon forge
> Date: 4/18/2000 11:46:21 AM EST
> From: tim-pamwilliams-net.com (Tim and Pam Allgire)
> Sender: 61-79-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> Reply-to: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>
> July 14th-16th. >>
>
> Wrong !! May 18 ,19, 20, 21 ......
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From: "Steve and Fran" offspringnet.net>
Subject: New Member
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:03:23 -0600

Hi folks! I didn't know whether I should introduce myself or not, so I'm
doing it. My name is Steve, I live in Colorado, and I just bought a
vintage Ford from a very good friend. It's a '78 F250 Super Cab 4x4 longbed
Auto, with the 400 V8, C6 tranny, and not only the Dana 60 rear, but one in
front too (snowplow option)...also an extra large factory radiator, and
factory A/C. I'm really excited about the truck. I plan on using it as a
daily driver (17 miles each way, country open-road driving), and also to put
a slide-in camper on and tow my '81 Land Cruiser when I go elk hunting every
fall (the wife and I will also use it with the camper (but minus the
Crusier) for mountain get-aways. Nice to be part of the list!

Smitty in CO



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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: FE Distributor
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:17:31 AKDT

FE guys,

I am having problems with the timing in my truck. When I turn the
distributor one way (don't remember which way) my truck pings like crazy,
when I turn it the other direction, it diesels when I turn it off.

Any suggestions on how to fix it?

schu
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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: headers leaking on a 351M
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:20:00 AKDT

M guys,

I have a friend that has a 351M with full length headers in his truck, and
he can't get them to seal against the head. He changes the gasket and it
seems that the problem goes away for a day or so, but then it starts leaking
again. We have looked for copper gaskets for the M block be we can't find
any....

Any suggestions?

schu
______________________________________________________


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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: FE rocker shaft questions
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:23:30 AKDT

FE guys,

I want to change my rockers to the adjustable type on my 390. Can I just
purchase factory replacement adjustable type rockers and use them on my
non-adjustable type shaft? In one of my catalogs it lists two different
part numbers for the shafts, anyone know why? Anyone recommend a source for
this, I know crane has a kit to convert the rockers.

schu
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:45:50 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M

Try looking for a 351C 2V application for the copper header gaskets. The heads
are identical.
You may have better luck this route. In the past, I have doubled up the header
gaskets to seal up an exhaust leak. The header flanges may be warped and this
may help to seal it.
Jason

Matt Schu wrote:

> M guys,
>
> I have a friend that has a 351M with full length headers in his truck, and
> he can't get them to seal against the head. He changes the gasket and it
> seems that the problem goes away for a day or so, but then it starts leaking
> again. We have looked for copper gaskets for the M block be we can't find
> any....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> schu
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From: SevnD2aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:40:06 EDT
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome to the list !
I am sure you will find some very knowledgeable people that will be glad to
help you out when you need it.

Congratulations on the 78 truck! I like the 78-79 body styles. I am fond of
those two years and might try to get one someday.

I have a 76 F100 Explorer with a 428 and that is all I need really! :-)

There are a few people on the list who especially like those M block engines
like you have in your truck. So if you need to get some tips for a rebuild,
help is right here for you.

Rollie H. Hunt
King, North Carolina





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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:43:57 -0400

We have looked for copper gaskets for the M block be we can't find
> any....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> schu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
have you tried SUMMIT RACING yet or J.C WHITNEY they both DID carry them
SUMMIT has a on-line ordering system also
gordon


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From: "Doug Neely" telus.net>
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:43:59 -0700

Matt,
If the header gaskets are the fiber type that look like cardboard, try
soaking them
in water for a few hours. I did this on my 390 and it worked great, it
swells them up
a bit then when you tighten them down it squeezes them tight on the head and
header flange. The header bolts will have to be re-tightened after you run
it for a day
if you don't they will loosen up and blow out.

Cheers,

Doug



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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Break In Oil
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:07:49 -0400

In particular, heavy duty diesel engine oil is highest
> in these detergents. Look for an API CH-4 category such as Mobil
> Delvac 1300 Super. These oils are designed to go up to 30,000
> miles in a Semi before changing.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i have driven semis that used shell rotella 15 x 40 and have went real close
to 1 million miles before re-builds and changed the oil every 12,000 miles
with new filters as well i have used it in my autos and at 150,000 miles
still have had more compression the factory specs call for if thats any help
gordon


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:43:26 -0400
From: Shawn Flaugher bigfoot.com>
Subject: (WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement

Group,
I am very sorry,
After going over my post and got all the
various numbers from flying through my head.
I realized my engine in the '73 is probably the
390.
(the bar/springs through the rocker arms should
have made it obvious to me, but you just
don't understand the numerical hell I work
in)

And, as a result, the cam that was recommended
to me is obviously the wrong one.

I apologize for wasting everyone's time
with my mistake, please
give me any advice you can on this
cam replacement.

thanks,
Shawn


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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: (WHOOPS) 390(not)351 ('73) cam replacement
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:08:35 -0400


>
> And, as a result, the cam that was recommended
> to me is obviously the wrong one.
>
> thanks,
> Shawn
>
> ==========================================================
HI SHAWN
HEH thats OKAY everyones entitled to at least 1 mistake
myself i would use a cam with specs of about 300x480 BUT not over 510 it
should give a fairly decent idle with just a small amount of lope to it
hardly even noticeable and bring the power right up on that 390 the power
curve would be from just above idle to near 5000 rpms to then right where
you would be in the right range driving at 60 mph on the highway BUT when
stomped to the floor you would have plenty left to pass anything with no
problem
gordon


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From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Pilot bearings
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:59:59 -0400

Stoney writes: >>Here's a question for some of the old 460 crowd (Gary,
Azie, yaull still
out there?) For the early 429/460's, there are pilot BUSHINGS and pilot
BEARINGS, at least two or three sizes of each. Has anyone figured out how
to tell which is needed for what application? I've kept having to use trial
and error. First find what size fits end of crank, then fitting trans and
engine together and trying bushings and bearings till one feels right. Is
there a system to this? If so, what?<<

If there is a system, my Son and I haven't figured it out yet!!! His is
running a bearing from a 351M that we just slightly cut the outer surface
so it would go in the 460 crank. Don't ask what year, cause I've already
forgotten. I know we tried several bearings and several bushings and none
seemed to work, so we setteled on the above method. 3 years and no
problems. By the way, it is running a NP435.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:38:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: New Member

At 11:03 PM 4/18/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi folks! I didn't know whether I should introduce myself or not, so I'm
>doing it. My name is Steve, I live in Colorado, and I just bought a
>vintage Ford from a very good friend. It's a '78 F250 Super Cab 4x4 longbed
>Auto, with the 400 V8, C6 tranny, and not only the Dana 60 rear, but one in
>front too (snowplow option)...also an extra large factory radiator, and
>factory A/C. I'm really excited about the truck. I plan on using it as a
>daily driver (17 miles each way, country open-road driving), and also to put
>a slide-in camper on and tow my '81 Land Cruiser when I go elk hunting every
>fall (the wife and I will also use it with the camper (but minus the
>Crusier) for mountain get-aways. Nice to be part of the list!
>
>Smitty in CO


Welcome aboard Steve! Nice ride. If its anything like my
67, it'll be a faithful ride. Check out the 351M/400
article on the web site if you plan to do any modifications.


Ken




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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:49:10 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: headers leaking on a 351M

Matt Schu wrote:
>
> M guys,
>
> I have a friend that has a 351M with full length headers in his truck, and
> he can't get them to seal against the head. He changes the gasket and it
> seems that the problem goes away for a day or so, but then it starts leaking
> again. We have looked for copper gaskets for the M block be we can't find
> any....
>

I've used every gasket I can get my hands on. The only one's that work
are the soft white cheapos. I still need to retighten the bolts after
running it the firt time and if you get on it while they are loose, by
by gasket. I've tried the copper on my 5.0 capri (using high quality JBA
shorties) and they are much worse than any "paper" type gasket. I've
also tried copper and alum collector gaskets and neither of those worked
either. My 78 bronc has cheapo headers, so I'm sure that contributes to
it.

OX

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From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Solid axle
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:19:57 -0400

Bruce writes: >>Is the 78 4x4 a solid axle/ball joint set-up and how does
handle at
highway speeds?<<

Solid axle for sure. Have never reworked the front end of one, but I think
they have upper and lower ball joints of a sort. Heck they have to have
them.. You can't have pins thru it because of the drive axle in it.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:30:17 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Solid axle

am14daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> Bruce writes: >>Is the 78 4x4 a solid axle/ball joint set-up and how does
> handle at
> highway speeds?<<
>
> Solid axle for sure. Have never reworked the front end of one, but I think
> they have upper and lower ball joints of a sort. Heck they have to have
> them.. You can't have pins thru it because of the drive axle in it.
>

See

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/ford/bigbroncos/tech/dana44/dana44.html

OX

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:30 -0400
From: BECKER-JEFFREY macktrucks.com>
Subject: 77 F100 AC vents ???

--- Received from MACDGA.JB1882H 301-790-5580 00-04-19 09:30

REF: '77 F100 Explorer

Hello,
After having the dash all apart to repair various PO hack
wiring butcher jobs, it looks like the instrument cluster facia
had been replaced. My truck had AC at one time (everything
under the hood missing) and there is a square x-section flex tube
that goes all the way to the drivers side door but has no vent to
connect to. It does have a plastic snap all the way around it, so
it fit over something at one time. On my current facia, there is a
solid panel with a crest (like would be on the hood ornament if
that wasn't missing) molded into it above the headlight and wiper
switches.
Those of you with working AC: do you have vent louvers in this
location? Since I don't have AC and this facia has been all
drilled and screwed into, I'm going to relocate the aftermarket
oil pressure gage to this spot. I'll just let the flex hose hang
down towards the floor - good place for a mouse to crawl into.
Also, this might explain the mystery Fuel "aux/main" switch
slot - PO probably replaced these HVAC controls though there is a
set of yet untraced wires (black & black with white dashes) that
have the ends stripped and lead directly to this switch location.
I only have one fuel fill flap on original box and do not have a
separate fuel gage anywhere. Starting at Top left and going
clockwise, my instrument cluster corners have: oil pressure gage
(L/H), volt gage (D/C), temp gage (C/H), fuel gage (E/F).

> dyslexic Jeff in VW

---- 00-04-19 09:30 ---- Sent to ---------------------------
-> 61-79-list(a)ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:39:14 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???

BECKER-JEFFREY wrote:
>
> --- Received from MACDGA.JB1882H 301-790-5580 00-04-19 09:30
>
> REF: '77 F100 Explorer
>
> Hello,
> After having the dash all apart to repair various PO hack
> wiring butcher jobs, it looks like the instrument cluster facia
> had been replaced. My truck had AC at one time (everything
> under the hood missing) and there is a square x-section flex tube
> that goes all the way to the drivers side door but has no vent to
> connect to. It does have a plastic snap all the way around it, so
> it fit over something at one time. On my current facia, there is a
> solid panel with a crest (like would be on the hood ornament if
> that wasn't missing) molded into it above the headlight and wiper
> switches.
> Those of you with working AC: do you have vent louvers in this
> location?

Yes

>Since I don't have AC and this facia has been all
> drilled and screwed into, I'm going to relocate the aftermarket
> oil pressure gage to this spot. I'll just let the flex hose hang
> down towards the floor - good place for a mouse to crawl into.
> Also, this might explain the mystery Fuel "aux/main" switch
> slot - PO probably replaced these HVAC controls though there is a
> set of yet untraced wires (black & black with white dashes) that
> have the ends stripped and lead directly to this switch location.
> I only have one fuel fill flap on original box and do not have a
> separate fuel gage anywhere.

You won't (from dual tank rigs I've seen in the junkyards), it uses the
stock fuel gauge, just reads off one tank or the other.

Starting at Top left and going
> clockwise, my instrument cluster corners have: oil pressure gage
> (L/H), volt gage

You mean amps, right??


OX

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:43:40 -0500
Subject: Re: trouble while towing
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

Paul,

Ignore my post about the oil light. My head was where it didn't belong. Well
the advice was right if that was the problem, but I think I misread the
post.

There are a lot of things that can cause a Check ENGINE light to come on. In
your case, I would vote for oxygen sensor problems. You need to access the
computer and see if any codes are stored. If there are codes, this will give
you a clue to where the trouble lies. Keep in mind that all of the system
components work together and that a bad component can trigger a code from
another component because they depend on each other. Yeah, it gets
complicated and expensive. One big reason I like my 79, no computer.

Sorry, I don't know how to access your computer right off hand, but you
should be able to short some contacts on the diagnostic plug under the dash
and get the dash light to flash the codes for you. Find out which ones,
don't just start trying them out.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


> OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I realize that I am crossing the lists here with this post but was wondering
>> if someone could help. I recently purchased a 96 F150 SC 5.0, and have found
>> that when I tow my boat the check engine light comes on. The next day the
>> light goes off, does any one or has any one seen this before. Any help would
>> be highly appreciated.
>
> I don't know what causes it, but that light is on a lot of the time in
> some of the older taxicabs and the driver trainer of a cab company here
> tells his new drivers to ignore it.
>
> He also tells them that if the Check Gauges light comes on it is
> extremely serious and they could be liable for a new engine if they
> continue to drive it.
>
> Denny
> '72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K last time I noticed.
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From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: 350 vs 351
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:45:38 -0400

Shawn writes: >>I would also like to know how to tell the difference
between
the 350 and 351.<<

The 350 is GM. The 351 is Ford.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:47:14 -0400
From: William King bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 460 Pilot Bearing

Stoney,
Besides the trial and error method, I haven't figured out another way.
When I put the Toploader behind my 1968 429 I ended up machining my
own bushing (by turning-down the outside of a bushing which fit the input
shaft of the Toploader). At the time (1986) I believed the books that
stated the early 429/460's cranks were not machined for a pilot bushing.
The possibility of finding a bushing that would fit never occurred to me,
so I made my own. Turning-down a bushing isn't fun.

Have you tried using one of those plastic, dummy input shafts (they help
you line-up the clutch disk when installing a clutch)? It seems that you
could take the dummy shaft to the store with you, and thereby ensure the
pilot busing will fit the input shaft of the tranny. You could jamb some
modelling clay into the back of the crank to get a rough estimate of the
OD size of the pilot-bushing. Taking your dummy input shaft and the
cylindrical blob of clay to the autoparts store might save you from buying
a handful of bushings, taking them home, and then seeing which one fits. I
know this sounds mickey-mouse, but it's how I'll do it the next time I have
the clutch out (unless someone is kind enough to cough up some bearing
parts numbers).
Just a thought... Hope it helps...

Ohio Bill
1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed
1968 Torino GT 429 4v 4 speed

>Here's a question for some of the old 460 crowd (Gary, Azie, yaull still
>out there?) For the early 429/460's, there are pilot BUSHINGS and pilot
>BEARINGS, at least two or three sizes of each. Has anyone figured out how
>to tell which is needed for what application? I've kept having to use trial
>and error. First find what size fits end of crank, then fitting trans and
>engine together and trying bushings and bearings till one feels right. Is
>there a system to this? If so, what?

>stoney



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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:54:27 -0500
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> You won't (from dual tank rigs I've seen in the junkyards), it uses the
> stock fuel gauge, just reads off one tank or the other.

Ox is right here. Both tanks read from the same gauge depending on where the
selector is set. Now there are a lot of times I wish that there was a
separate gauge. Are you sure your truck ever had AC? It sounds like it
didn't. That hanging hose sounds like a defroster hose. I could be confused,
but I think the left AC vent is fed by a molded PVC duct. You can also check
under the hood in the heater core area. If your truck had AC, the
evaporator/heater core housing will be smaller or at least have no access
holes on the inboard side for the Freon lines. If this is the case, somebody
went to a lot of trouble or else your truck never had AC. From the hack job
you describe under the dash, I'm guessing the latter.

-- John
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From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:41:06 -0700

I've got a 76 F100 with the duel tanks. Fuel position is for my tank behind
the seat, with the filler on the cab, driver side. Aux. is for the rear
tank with the filler behind the drivers rear wheel well. The tanks are
perky, in that the Aux. mode will run both tanks at the same time. It might
not be what they are suppose to do, but I like it when I'm "out there" to
know how much fuel I have left without switching back and forth, so fixing
that is low on the priority list. The electric fuel switch is on the frame,
drivers side, about where the bed and cab meet.


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:00:46 -0500
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I've got a 76 F100 with the duel tanks. Fuel position is for my tank behind
> the seat, with the filler on the cab, driver side. Aux. is for the rear
> tank with the filler behind the drivers rear wheel well. The tanks are
> perky, in that the Aux. mode will run both tanks at the same time. It might
> not be what they are suppose to do, but I like it when I'm "out there" to
> know how much fuel I have left without switching back and forth, so fixing
> that is low on the priority list.

I knew a guy who had both tanks as you describe plus an 85 gallon in bed
tank (132 gallons total capacity) on a 70 F250 4x4. He used it to pull a 31
foot Airstream. At any rate, the engine always fed from the main tank.
Whenever he ran low, he flipped a switch and the fuel went from the
auxiliaries into the main tank. He had to pay attention though. One time he
dumped several gallons out the filler neck when he forgot to turn the switch
off. I have no idea how this was rigged. It was a loooooonnnnng time ago.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:07:36 GMT
Subject: Re: FE Distributor



>FE guys,
>
>I am having problems with the timing in my truck. When I turn the
>distributor one way (don't remember which way) my truck pings like crazy,

>when I turn it the other direction, it diesels when I turn it off.
>
>Any suggestions on how to fix it?
>

Just a couple of things ...

1) don't turn it so far :) Seriously though, do you know how far you're turning
it ? I mean if its only a degree or three then there's a real problem, if its
10 or 15 degrees then you really probably don't need to turn it that far ...


2) check the timing chain, its possible there's some slop in there, so when
the motor's accelerating or idling its on one timing setting, and when decel/shutting
off its on another that causes it to run-on. Turn the crank back and forth
by hand and you can see how much play you've got by watching the dist rotor,
turn it one way til the rotor starts to turn, then turn the motor back the other
way til it starts to turn again and see how far you've had to turn it, it shouldn't
be very far at all ...

3) check the carb, if your idle is too high it will run-on/diesel pretty bad
(we had that problem with the Mustang) ... dropped the idle and it shut off
right away ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:09:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Jumping to Conclusions (Bad Coil)

>I had this happen twice so far. The coil seems to short out and lose spark

>when hot, yet work fine when cold. The problem also can mask itself so that

>it appears to be a fuel delivery problem. That will drive you nuts!

My uncle had a similar problem while he was out in the field ... thing acted
like it was out of gas and such, but the bowl was clean and the tank 1/2 full
... he touched the coil and burned his hand. He said you really can use a basebal
cap to carry water from the stream enough to cool the coil off ... drove it
back to the farm, got a spare coil from another motor and it ran fine for years
after that ... he later found a crack in the side of the bad coil if I remember
right ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Chris Dains" earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 77 Dashboard Help
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:23:38 -0700


Thanks to everyone for the help I received in fixing the instrument cluster problems in my 77 F250 4x4. I replaced the whole unit with one from a '79 Bronco and still no working fuel guage, but what the heck, everything else works like a gem; even the Ammeter!!! Another project for another day :)

Chris D
Dallas, TX
77 F250 Custom 4x4


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:14:42 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 AC vents ???

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> > You won't (from dual tank rigs I've seen in the junkyards), it uses the
> > stock fuel gauge, just reads off one tank or the other.
>
> Ox is right here. Both tanks read from the same gauge depending on where the
> selector is set. Now there are a lot of times I wish that there was a
> separate gauge. Are you sure your truck ever had AC? It sounds like it
> didn't. That hanging hose sounds like a defroster hose.

Defroster uses plastic molded tubes, not a hose.

>I could be confused,
> but I think the left AC vent is fed by a molded PVC duct.

Nope, by a hose.

You can also check
> under the hood in the heater core area. If your truck had AC, the
> evaporator/heater core housing will be smaller or at least have no access
> holes on the inboard side for the Freon lines. If this is the case, somebody
> went to a lot of trouble or else your truck never had AC. From the hack job
> you describe under the dash, I'm guessing the latter.

It could have had aftermarket air (or dash from such a setup). My green
79 XLT bronc had this and it sure was a major hack job. Had all kinds of
wierd stuff inside and funky wiring all over the place It did not have
the EVAP setup on the firewall, so I'm not sure where they put the EVAP.
It did have condensor, dash vents, other electrical AC controller thing,
AC pump, lines, holes through firewall next to brake booster for AC
lines. maybe it was a really hacked dealer setup.

OX

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From: "Shynkaruk, Steve" wilcom.com>
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:16:01 -0500

Hey guys, I am new to the list also. I have a '77 F150 4X4 SWB with a 351M,
4spd. I also have the dual tank option, but my fuel supply remains on the
tank that I switch it to. If I select main then it remains on main.

Steve Shynkaruk


-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagroneford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:01 AM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 77 F100 Questions


> I've got a 76 F100 with the duel tanks. Fuel position is for my tank
behind
> the seat, with the filler on the cab, driver side. Aux. is for the rear
> tank with the filler behind the drivers rear wheel well. The tanks are
> perky, in that the Aux. mode will run both tanks at the same time. It
might
> not be what they are suppose to do, but I like it when I'm "out there" to
> know how much fuel I have left without switching back and forth, so fixing
> that is low on the priority list.

I knew a guy who had both tanks as you describe plus an 85 gallon in bed
tank (132 gallons total capacity) on a 70 F250 4x4. He used it to pull a 31
foot Airstream. At any rate, the engine always fed from the main tank.
Whenever he ran low, he flipped a switch and the fuel went from the
auxiliaries into the main tank. He had to pay attention though. One time he
dumped several gallons out the filler neck when he forgot to turn the switch
off. I have no idea how this was rigged. It was a loooooonnnnng time ago.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:25:43 EDT
Subject: Re: FE Distributor

I could be wrong, but you could be running the wrong heat range of spark
plug. Do you know what you have in it now?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:38:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Pilot bearings

If anyone has any idea, please lemme know! Im gonna be doing this swap, and
Id like to be able to get the right part the first time. Thanks.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:50:41 EDT
Subject: Re: 77 F100 Questions

In a message dated 4/19/00 8:02:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagroneford-trucks.com writes:

<< I knew a guy who had both tanks as you describe plus an 85 gallon in bed
tank (132 gallons total capacity) >>

Is it just me, or does driving around with this much gas sound crazy? Id
love the driving range, but my luck, Id spend the 250 bucks to fill it all up
and some nut would T-bone me, setting me, my truck, and my 250 dollars in gas
on fire!

Darrell

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From: TBeeeeaol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:02:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Pilot bearings

Why not measure the O.D. and I.D. of pilot bearing/bushing you desire. Next pay a visit to your favorite parts (person) guy and ask him/her to look up the part by specs not application. He or she should be able to get you exactly what you need.

Stock Man
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> If there is a system, my Son and I haven't figured it out yet!!!

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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FE Distributor
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:16:20 AKDT

Wish,

Thanks for the reply... I bet a buck its number 3. I have a new roller
timing chain in my truck so I don't think it's number 2. I am not turning
the distributor to much so I don't think its number 1, however the idle is
set fairly high right now....

schu



>3) check the carb, if your idle is too high it will run-on/diesel pretty
>bad
>(we had that problem with the Mustang) ... dropped the idle and it shut off
>right away ...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>

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