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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #69 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Fri, 14 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 069 In This Issue: Re: [61-79-list]kingpin Need help in fixing fuel gauge KC List Members? Electric Fuel Pump - Again Re: engine finally done!! Re: engine finally done!! Re: Miracles Power Steering Gear Re: Autos Re: Farm and Ranch Special Re: 240 to 302 swap Re: KC List Members? Re: Need help in fixing fuel gauge Re: Autos new member and questions 292 vs 390 bell housing pattern 69 F600 & 68 F250 FS Sacramento Area Re: Autos 300 six Flywheel Question Re: Farm and Ranch Special Re: TripToTheGreatPacificNW II Farm and Ranch Special Re: Autos HEADERS Hot Rockers Re: new member and questions Re: 300 six Flywheel Question Re: 300 six Flywheel Question 1975-1977 Box swap Pictures of A/C Setup ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Splawn" Subject: Re: [61-79-list]kingpin Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:53:29 -0500 I want to thank all of those that offered suggestions about my 71 Ford kingpin problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:17:55 -0500 From: "Howard Bottles" Subject: Need help in fixing fuel gauge Has someone run through a procedure for finding and fixing problems with the fuel gauges on 73-79 trucks? neither tank on my '74 camper special registers on the gauge. I'm not really sure as to how the gauge is supposed to work. If I knew, that might make trouble shooting the problem easier. Any info is appreciated. Howardb ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:59:57 EDT Subject: KC List Members? Anyone here near KC? I'm going to be in Overland Park between Saturday 16th and Monday 18th. I won't have my PC with me, but if you have time to collect a free meal, please give me a call on my cell phone at (303) 884-7127. Hope to hear from someone there! I'd like to find a good BBQ joint! Remember though, you've got to bring your truck to qualify for the free meal! Actually this really isn't true, just a picture will do!!!!!!!!! CJ (Colorado Jeff) ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:00:03 EDT Subject: Electric Fuel Pump - Again OK, I started this thread a few months ago and it seemed to go on for awhile. Does anyone remember where we ended up? I'm finally getting down to the installation of a Carter pump, and I have the little oil pressure switch deal. Who had the last word on this? I just need a little guidance from you electrical types on the best way to wire this thing in.... Thanks! Sorry I'm going to miss the Vancouver meeting. I'm actually hoping to be there in a couple of months, so maybe we can try again then??? CJ (Colorado Jeff) ------------------------------ From: draco Subject: Re: engine finally done!! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Oh man! I was going to paint my motor yellow because my truck is green and yellow and I thought it would match better than blue. I let a friend of mine talk me out of it. I like it. I like it. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4 in digest mode ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:41:18 EDT Subject: Re: engine finally done!! In a message dated 4/14/00 4:39:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, draco << Oh man! I was going to paint my motor yellow because my truck is green and yellow and I thought it would match better than blue. I let a friend of mine talk me out of it. >> ALways coordinate! Im doin my new 460 in yellow, should match the yellow brown scheem of Tweety real nice. Wont stay yello Long, but hey, it'll look good for awhile. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:43:32 -0700 From: Marv Miller Subject: Re: Miracles George Selby Subject: Miracle Gas Guage Fix During Bed Swap > I noticed the female gas gauge pin inserts on the > plug you snap onto the pickup were really spread apart. I squeezed them > together with a pair of pliers. Now my gas guage works!!!!!!!!!! Yes, folks, yet another proof-positive testimonial that reading your FTE postings causes MIRACLES! It can work for you, too. Just send your request to: listar ;-) -Marv- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:31:51 -0400 From: "O'Connor" Subject: Power Steering Gear Don, I published a list of steering parts a while back; but it only goes up to 1969. It may be similar to 72 and its on Excel if you would like it. The gear and pump can be purchased at Auto Zone. The brackets would have to be found at a bone yard or maybe someone on the list could help. The hoses also can be bought at Auto zone. The steering rod down the middle of the steering column may need to be cut 11/16" shorter. I'm not sure for 72- my 66 had to be cut. Also, you will probably need a Pitman Arm. I have an extra one that came of a camper special. Good luck. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:38:42 -0500 From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." Subject: Re: Autos How much? Jason Derra wrote: > After the discussions we had a while back about manuals and autos, I > figured I would eat a little crow. This last weekend I bought a '96 > F250 4WD Extended Cab Powerstroke... > uh...err, automatic. The price was right and it was owned by an older > couple that really took good care of it. I am still a little leery of > the OD automatics reliability under towing conditions, but we'll give it > a try. This is the first automatic vehicle I have owned in a long > time. It is hard to get used to not having to shift (or stabbing for > the clutch pedal at a stop light). It does make it easier to eat a > sandwich, drink a Big Gulp, talk on my cell phone, change CD's, admire > myself in the mirror, etc, etc all at the same time. LOL > FTE content: Anyone want to buy my 77 F150 4X4? > > Jason > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:45:16 -0500 From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." Subject: Re: Farm and Ranch Special Hey, Chris Did you happen to catch what year model it was. I've never heard of them. Inquiring minds want to know! Charles Christopher Worley wrote: > Does anyone know if a Farm and Ranch Special F-100 is rare? I saw one today, > and I haven't seen too many others. > > Chris > '67 F100 352 > ______________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: 240 to 302 swap Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:41:21 -0400 Does anyone have a 302, 4-speed combo with > 3.25 gears and how do you find this for mileage and acceleration? > > Thanks, > Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI SCOTT YES i have a 302 in a 79 f100 with a 3spd overdrive in it when i had the 3:00 to 1 gears in it even with the factory tires it was SICK taking off and driving down the road if you ran over a ant you had to downshift it with a headwind at all empty you drove in 3rd gear [direct] THEN i stuck a set of 4:56s in it with 33 x 12.50 tires NOW it takes off very well but seems to rev just a little high at 60mph so i would think if you stayed with a set of 3 :70 gears and just changed the engine you should be fine for takeoff and highway speeds as well ESPECIALLY if you have a little bit taller tire than facctory equiped with it gordon ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: KC List Members? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:26:22 -0700 > > Anyone here near KC? > > I'm going to be in Overland Park between Saturday 16th and > Monday 18th. > > I won't have my PC with me, but if you have time to collect a > free meal, > please give me a call on my cell phone at (303) 884-7127. > > Hope to hear from someone there! I'd like to find a good BBQ joint! > > Remember though, you've got to bring your truck to qualify > for the free meal! > Actually this really isn't true, just a picture will do!!!!!!!!! > > CJ (Colorado Jeff) > Kansas City, Man I wish I was there. Had a great time while I lived there. Bodee's is/was a pretty big chain up there. It's ok but there are some hole in the wall places I liked better. If you got time and want a good STEAK, try Jess and Jim's or The Golden Ox. Have fun. Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: Need help in fixing fuel gauge Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:21:29 -0700 Chris and Howardb wrote: Hello Guy's: I'm a new proud owner of a '77 F250 Custom 4x4 with a 351M/400 and new to the 61-79 list group. The truck is handed down to me by my father with 58K original miles and he bought it new in '77. It run's great. It's been an "extra" for 23 years and needs only minor fixes here and there.(I hope) If you can believe this last week I replaced the original set of tires and fan belts. My goal is complete restoration.(guess the wife doesn't get to go shopping) My problem is the only item that works on the dash cluster is the Speedometer. The turn signals work at random and no ammeter or fuel gauge. Easy fix or dash overhaul?? I'm a novice auto person and any insight into this fix is appreciated. Thought I'd ask some trusted Ford freinds before I took it apart. Much Appreciated, Chris..... ========================================================== > Has someone run through a procedure for finding and fixing > problems with > the fuel gauges on 73-79 trucks? neither tank on my '74 camper special > registers on the gauge. I'm not really sure as to how the gauge is > supposed to work. If I knew, that might make trouble shooting the > problem easier. Any info is appreciated. > > Howardb > Chris, welcome to the group. Chris and Howard. The gas guage circuit is battery to instrument voltage regulator to guage to sending unit to ground. Answer the following: 1: Excluding the ammeter, do the other guages work? If the oil pressure and temp guage don't work then suspect the IVR. If they do work then check the gas guage circuit. 2: Does the guage work? The next easiest thing to do is pull the instrument cluster (sounds bad but it's not, speedo cable is worst part) Using a D cell battery put some current through the guage. If it deflects it's ok. Check the connections of the guage to the foil on the back of the cluster Check that voltage is reaching the guage. I can't give a voltage spec cause there isn't one. The IVR produces an intermittent voltage to prevent burning out the guages so you are looking for an on/off cycling of the voltage. 3: Is the circuit to the sending unit ok. Since you have the cluster out already use an ohm meter to check the resistance of the sending unit to ground. Connect one side of the meter to ground and the other to the wire that goes to the sending unit. You should see resistance between 0 (empty) and 75 ohms(full). If you have dual tanks don't forget about the tank selector switch. You may have to eliminate the switch to check the sender. 4: Is the resistance ok? If yes you probably haven't gotten this far. If no then you have to pull the tank and measure the sender directly. (before you were checking the wires) Chris, Don't worry about your ammeter. It doesn't work 'cause there's a design flaw in its circuit. I like to say you have a brand new unused meter. The good news is that you can get it to work. There is a circuit under the hood that you will have to modify to get the meter to work. Let me know if you want more info. Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:01:02 -0700 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: Autos I'm asking $2500 for it but I'm flexible. Its a 77 F150 4WD, 400, 4 speed, 205 transfer case. The body is a little rough, but it runs pretty decent. 125 lbs of compression tested on Sat. I also have a parts truck to go along with it. It was my father in laws pickup. He only drove it about 3-4 times this last year. I have some pictures getting developed. If your interested, I can send you a few. Jason Charles D. Childers, Jr. wrote: > How much? > > Jason Derra wrote: > > > After the discussions we had a while back about manuals and autos, I > > figured I would eat a little crow. This last weekend I bought a '96 > > F250 4WD Extended Cab Powerstroke... > > uh...err, automatic. The price was right and it was owned by an older > > couple that really took good care of it. I am still a little leery of > > the OD automatics reliability under towing conditions, but we'll give it > > a try. This is the first automatic vehicle I have owned in a long > > time. It is hard to get used to not having to shift (or stabbing for > > the clutch pedal at a stop light). It does make it easier to eat a > > sandwich, drink a Big Gulp, talk on my cell phone, change CD's, admire > > myself in the mirror, etc, etc all at the same time. LOL > > FTE content: Anyone want to buy my 77 F150 4X4? > > > > Jason > > > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > > message. > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:01:59 -0400 From: Curtis Palmer Subject: new member and questions Hello, my name is Curtis Palmer. I am new to this list and am pretty new around Ford trucks. Now the question. I have a 76 F150 Super Cab 2X4 that recently had a u-joint sieze up causing a whole mess of damage to the rest of the drivetrain. As it siezed up it messed up the pinion bearing, seal and the bushing and seal in the trans tailshaft housing. I can't get the vibrations to go away between 40-50 mph. To try to remedy this I have replaced all the u-joints (2 piece driveshaft), pinion bearing and seal, the big bearing where the 2 shafts come together, bushing and seal in the trans. Also, had the tires re-balanced and rotated. Today, I had the drive shafts balanced and the problem is still there. I even tried rotating the shafts 90 degrees but that made it worse. I did what my manual says about using a tach to see if it is an rpm related problem. In 3rd/drive it will be the worst around 2100 rpm, but in second at the same rpm it does not do it. The book notes that it is definately a drive shaft problem if this occurs. This seems to be a speed related problem. If anybody has any insight as to what the problem might be, please e-mail me ASAP. Thanks. Curtis Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:22:43 -0500 From: prices Subject: 292 vs 390 bell housing pattern Does anyone know if the bellhousing pattern off a 1955 292 V8 3/4 ton truck is the same as the FE block pattern? Thinking about the possibility of upgrading the 292 for a 390, was wondering if the old tranny would bolt to it or not, and if pilot bearing etc. would even allow it. bkp ------------------------------ From: "Carver" Subject: 69 F600 & 68 F250 FS Sacramento Area Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:25:19 -0700 Spotted these in the Grass Valley paper: (30 miles east of Sacramento) '69 Ford F600 18ft box with pull out ramp New eng, clutch, brakes. Runs xlnt $2500 530-273-0719 or 530-273-1816 '68 F250. Custom Cab, clean, low miles $1650 obo 530-432-4505 or 530-432-1340 '74 F250 4WD AT needs trans $950 obo 530-274-1134 That's all the pertains Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:41:54 EDT Subject: Re: Autos where are you again? Darrell ------------------------------ From: davewild Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:57:58 GMT Subject: 300 six Flywheel Question Does anyone kmow if the flywheel on a 300 six cylinder engine has to be bolted to the crank a certain way? I unbolted mine while working on the engine out of the truck, and I noticed that it had a heavy spot(one side was always ending up at the bottom when I put it on my trans input shaft). I also noticed a dimple in the end of the crank and wondered if there was a reason it was there. I don't know if you have to watch out for those being balanced. Any help would be nice. By the way Love the list keep up the good work. ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: Re: Farm and Ranch Special Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:07:58 PDT It is a 60's model as far as I could tell, I saw it in passing. I really want to find out some info on it myself, how many were made, what engine/tranny combo did it have, and just what makes it a "farm and ranch special" Chris 67 F100 (cab and bed off now) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cworley.highspeedzone.com >From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." >Reply-To: 61-79-list >To: 61-79-list >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Farm and Ranch Special >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:45:16 -0500 > >Hey, Chris >Did you happen to catch what year model it was. I've never heard of them. >Inquiring minds want to know! > >Charles > >Christopher Worley wrote: > > > Does anyone know if a Farm and Ranch Special F-100 is rare? I saw one >today, > > and I haven't seen too many others. > > > > Chris > > '67 F100 352 > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > > message. > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:46:49 -0700 From: Tim Bowman Subject: Re: TripToTheGreatPacificNW II Sorry I can't make it this Sunday. Working too many hours at the moment. I'd love to get together with other FTE owners in the Seattle area like we did with Colorado Jeff last year. -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman ------------------------------ From: "Mike" Subject: Farm and Ranch Special Date: (No, or invalid, date.) The F/R spec was a package introduced in 69, along with Heavy duty and Construction specials, I believe. It came with wooden panels to extend the side height of the box and obviously whatever other options the new owner saw fit to throw on. The only one I've ever seen was in Edmonton about twelve years ago and the owner obviously didn't think it was such a big deal as he accepted my five dollar offer for both nameplates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:47:50 -0700 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: Autos Southern Oregon. 20 miles from the California border. Jason JUMPINFORD > where are you again? > > Darrell > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: HEADERS Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:30:29 -0400 does any one know the part numbers or years of CYCLONE HEADERS that will fit a 69 f 100 with a 390 in it i have a good chance to buy a set but all i know for sure is they wont fit a 77 f 100 because of the frame clearence being to close is all other than that my only option is using stock exhaust from the manifolds and locally they want over a 100.00 for the 2 pipes here for duals thanks gordon 69f 100 ------------------------------ From: "John Webster" Subject: Hot Rockers Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:46:57 -0400 Hello Everyone, I just received this response concerning the "Hot Rockers" thread that ran recently: I', sorry to tell you that Hotrocker is not going to be made for the big Block (460) within a short period of time if it is made at all. Here is a list of other applications for the hotrocker The Hotrocker will be available for these engines in 4-6 weeks: AMC V-8 290/304/343/360/390/401 Chevy small block V-8 Chevy 90 V-6 Chevy 60 V-6 (Inline valves) Dodge Magnum V-6/V-8/V-10 Ford V-8 Windsor Oldsmobile V-8 Pontiac V-8 Viper V-10 The Hotrocker will be available for these engines in about three months: Buick V-6/V-8 (Factory shaft system) Late Model Buick 3800 V-6 Cadillac V-8 Ford FE V-8 Jeep four and six cylinder MoPar V-6/V-8 (non-magnum) The Hotrocker system bolts on in place of your existing rocker arm system. If you have press-in studs, you will have to prepare the heads as you would for screw-in studs. The expected price is $795 for a V-8 engine. We expect to be taking orders in 3 weeks. Check Just thought I'd pass it along. Regards, John F1504X4 460/C6/4:11's In to deep to stop now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:25:30 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: new member and questions At 11:01 PM 4/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, my name is Curtis Palmer. I am new to this list and am pretty new >around Ford trucks. Now the question. I have a 76 F150 Super Cab 2X4 that >recently had a u-joint sieze up causing a whole mess of damage to the rest >of the drivetrain. As it siezed up it messed up the pinion bearing, seal >and the bushing and seal in the trans tailshaft housing. I can't get the >vibrations to go away between 40-50 mph. -snip- What about the center/side bearings in the differential? The chunk (gearing) drops out as one piece and the bearings are very easy to replace. Also, have you inspected the differential chunk itself? If its a 9 inch (likely), you can get another at a salvage yard pretty cheap. Heck, if you're in Atlanta, I've got a 3.25 gear set for $35. I doubt the gears are trashed as the 9 in is legendary for its strength but its always a possibility. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:54:48 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: 300 six Flywheel Question Hey Man! I have seen 300 flywheels with both cast and non-cast counterweights in them on one end, but even with or without those, it still be a balanced wheel.. As far as how it bolts to the crank- the bolt pattern on the flywheel to the crank will only allow you to bolt the flywheel on in one position. As far as a dimple in the end of the crank- I have no idea- haven't seen this. My only suggestion to you is while you have your engine out, make sure you have a good pilot bearing in the end of the crank for the tranny input shaft- I would have never believed it, but it seems ford OPTIONALLY used those in 300's for a while!! Tony Marino redneck At 04:57 AM 4/15/00 GMT, you wrote: >Does anyone kmow if the flywheel on a 300 six cylinder engine has to be bolted to >the crank a certain way? I unbolted mine while working on the engine out of the >truck, and I noticed that it had a heavy spot(one side was always ending up at the >bottom when I put it on my trans input shaft). I also noticed a dimple in the end >of the crank and wondered if there was a reason it was there. I don't know if you >have to watch out for those being balanced. Any help would be nice. > >By the way Love the list keep up the good work. >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:14:34 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: 300 six Flywheel Question >I have seen 300 flywheels with both cast and non-cast counterweights in >them on one end, but even with or without those, it still be a balanced >wheel.. That's what happens when I speak before coffee is injected into my veigns-- what I mean was, with or without, it will still be balaced with the motor. ungghghg.. *gulp* *slurp* Ahhhhh. Tony Marino redneck ------------------------------ From: "Tom Williams" Subject: 1975-1977 Box swap Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:25:58 -0500 Hi all, I am looking at a 1977 Ford F100 Ranger 2 wheel drive PU. The cab and box are in very nice shape rust wise, as is also the fenders. I also am looking at a 1975 F100 Ranger 4x4 that is very rusty. I can pick up the 2 wheel drive for around $650.00 and the 4 wheel drive for around $350.00. I know this sounds foolish and a lot of extra work but I would prefer a 4 wheel drive with the automatic instead of a 2 wheel drive with a 4 speed. I am interested in finding out if the box and cab from the 77 would fit on the 75 4x4. The motor in the 4x4 is also very weak, but the motor in the 2 wheel drive is a good running 351. Please give me any feedback on this situation. Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:17:32 -0400 From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis Subject: Pictures of A/C Setup Anybody have any pictures of How the A/c Compressor is mounted on an FE motor with all the pullies and brackets...Anybody with a digital camera and a A/C FE Truck???? 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