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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:33:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #66 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Tue, 11 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 066 In This Issue: Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Re: 1979 f600 Re: 1979 f600 Re: Hot Rod Archives Re: Piston ID Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE 460 Bits Another question on wires/Cap Re: World of Wheels Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Hot Rockers Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Re: Hot Rockers Couple of Q's 84 to 78 swap?? large dist cap on FE TripToTheGreatPacificNW Re: REPLACEMENT GRILLS Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Re: parting out 79 f100, Re: FE oiling system Subject: Cab Mount Removal Selling Moby Re: Piston ID -----------speaking of grills------------- Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Re: Hot Rockers Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Re: Hot Rockers Re: Couple of Q's Re: Portland machine shops Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Gas tank plumbing FE oiling system Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Tire sizes Re: Tire sizes Re: 84 to 78 swap?? FW: tire conversions Re: 84 to 78 swap?? stepside longbed, duel tanks, granny 4 Speed, and rear en Dist cap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:46:50 -0700 Look at '77, should have the large cap... -----Original Message----- From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis [mailto:shoman p3.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:17 PM To: ford trucklist61-79 Subject: [61-79-list] Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Group, What type of spark plug wires can you use with the larger Ditributor cap for the electronic ign. on a FE...I've looked at 1976 and they have the elect. dist but the small cap..I've tried autolites,no name brand, and Napa....Everybodies seems to come up with the small cap only??? Do i need to make my own?Like Ford MOtorsport Blues? joe ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:57:40 EDT Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Should be able to just use plug wires from a 78 351m or 400. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:22:26 -0500 From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." Subject: Re: 1979 f600 Oh, sure. But, I was referring to medium-duty trucks(F-600 and up). JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/00 7:21:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lonestarlegend pdq.net writes: > > << Wait a minute! You said cab-forward! In that case, everything would be > the same > except the grill! >> > > I could be wrong, but the F-600 fenders make the truck a lil wider than the > ones on my F-350. :) Take another look, they are bubbled out to cover the > huge tires. Also the inner fenders are different. > > Darrell Duggan > 74 F-350 "Tweety" > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:30:58 EDT Subject: Re: 1979 f600 In a message dated 4/11/00 3:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lonestarlegend pdq.net writes:<< h, sure. But, I was referring to medium-duty trucks(F-600 and up). >> My bad. Darrell ------------------------------ From: "Dave Resch" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:31:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Hot Rod Archives >From: Dan Lee >Subject: Re: Hot Rod Archives > >I have been rereading the 400M Down & Dirty Article in >from Sept '98 issue of Hot Rod Mag. They say that they >get 9.45:1CR w/+.030 Silv-O-Lite pistons and shaving >the heads 0.025, but they don't give a part Number for >those pistons. Yo Dan: In the Silv-O-Lite catalog I have, there are two 400 pistons listed, the #1160 and the hypereutectic #H3107 (which has apparently been discontinued). Both pistons are listed as having 1.630" compression height, which is shortened by 0.020" from the nominal stock height of 1.650". Silv-O-Lite claims 7.9:1 CR for both pistons, which is considerably lower than the nominal stock 8.4:1 for the 400. The main differences between the #H3107 and #1160 are the alloy (#H3107 is hypereutectic) and the size and shape of the piston top dish. The #1160 has a 6.95cc dish that is smaller in diameter but deeper, while the #H3107 has a 8.59cc dish that is larger in diameter and shallower. Shaving the block and heads by the amounts listed in the HR article (block 0.015", heads 0.025") would not produce the compression ratio they claimed (9.45:1) w/ either of the Silv-O-Lite 400 pistons. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and using the smaller-dished #1160 piston clearance volume, if the amount they say they shaved is correct, I'd calculate the compression ratio to be about 8.82-8.92:1. If the compression ratio HR claims (9.45:1) is correct, then they would have shaved the block/heads about 0.078" total (nearly twice what they said). I suspect they miscalculated the compression ratio. >In High Performance Options for the >351M/400 Engine by Dave Resch, there are no Keith >Black pistons listed for the 400. > >Dave's article doesn't >include the flattop pistons. Is it also missing a KB >piston? The article published on the web site is a "work in process," and I have not had much time to write on it for a year now. I am, however, planning an update to the article in the next few months, maybe w/ some pictures. The KB/Silv-O-Lite pistons were not in my list because I didn't consider either of them (advertised compression 7.9:1) to be a performance-enhancing option. The information I had available at the time on the Ohio Piston part was sketchy, as indicated by the question marks in the table. When I update the article, it will include the correct information on the Ohio Piston parts as well as more comprehensive information on many other M-block performance components not covered yet. Dave R (M-block devotee) ------------------------------ From: "Dave Resch" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:44:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Piston ID >From: "wish" >Subject: Re: Piston ID > >That's probably a good guess, most replacment >parts end in a Z rather than the actual casting number, >a replacement part would've been D4TZ ... at least >that's my weird understanding of it... Yo Wish: I am lead to believe that the fourth character represents the engineering/design group responsible for developing the part. As you mentioned previously, E is for the Engine group. I understand the Z is for Accessories (logical, huh?), which includes such things as interior and exterior trim pieces, body panels, chassis and suspension parts, etc. I don't know what any of the other codes are, and Z seems to encompass just about everything except the engine. Dave R (M-block devotee) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:49:46 -0500 From: Ron Martens Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Try the wires & stuff from a 79, works great Joe & Jen DeLaurentis wrote: > Group, > What type of spark plug wires can you use with the larger Ditributor cap > > for the electronic ign. on a FE...I've looked at 1976 and they have the > elect. dist > but the small cap..I've tried autolites,no name brand, and > Napa....Everybodies > seems to come up with the small cap only??? > Do i need to make my own?Like Ford MOtorsport Blues? > joe > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: 460 Bits Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:39:44 -0700 Howdy Folks, When I was clearing the melted and grilled stuff off the top of the 460 in my donor truck, I noticed that there was a plastic and rubber hose item on the passenger side valve cover. What is it and is it necessary? I'm running it now without it but maybe it's important. One other question. I can't get the speedo and gauge lights to work. Changed switches, checked fuses and still no lights. Will be pulling bulbs next, a place where huge hands are not an asset. Turn signals and hi/lo work as well as seat belt thingy. Pat Patsplace 77 F250 4X4 78 F150 W/Overloads 72 Ranger parts truck 79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction) 78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:57:46 -0400 From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis Subject: Another question on wires/Cap Hi, I haved responses to use 77,79 etc,,I thought the FE motor was gone in 76??Will another motor's wires fit the 390 Block?? JOe "Southerland, Rich" wrote: > Look at '77, should have the large cap... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis [mailto:shoman p3.net]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:17 PM > To: ford trucklist61-79 > Subject: [61-79-list] Wires for large Dist Cap on FE > > Group, > What type of spark plug wires can you use with the larger Ditributor cap > > for the electronic ign. on a FE...I've looked at 1976 and they have the > elect. dist > but the small cap..I've tried autolites,no name brand, and > Napa....Everybodies > seems to come up with the small cap only??? > Do i need to make my own?Like Ford MOtorsport Blues? > joe > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: World of Wheels Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:20:24 -0700 > > The World of Wheels came through here last weekend and we > were able to get a > few pics, thought some of you might find it interesting : > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Www2/Images/Wow/index.html Enjoy Just my $.02 wish Wish, Thanks for the link to the pics. The tractors brought back memories. I can attest to the fact that the old John Deere was complete. That was the whole tractor. If anyone hasn't seen one before it has a 2 cylinder motor, and the pistons run horizontally in the cast iron block under the placard the owner put on it. Called a "Popin' Johnny" 'cause of the sound it made coming up the road. My dad actually had the exact same model as the one behind it (LPG 620). It was a good tractor as far as reliability. Would run forever and take any kind of abuse. Had to cause it was a royal pain to service anything on it. I have nostolgic feelings for them but hope to never run one again. The entire line (all 2 cylinder models like this) would give an OSHA safety inspector fits. There were so many exposed spinning things waiting to grab you it ain't funny. (On the old one the big round thing is the flywheel. It doesn't have a crank and no starter to to start it you grab that flywheel and spin it by hand! Then get out of the way!!!) Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist Cap on FE Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:20:27 -0700 > > Group, > What type of spark plug wires can you use with the larger > Ditributor cap > > for the electronic ign. on a FE...I've looked at 1976 and > they have the > elect. dist > but the small cap..I've tried autolites,no name brand, and > Napa....Everybodies > seems to come up with the small cap only??? > Do i need to make my own?Like Ford MOtorsport Blues? > joe > The reason you can't find a stock set is that the large cap was never offered on the FE from Ford. However if you go with a 78 or 79 model and I think the 400M engine wires will fit. Actually I think any 9 mm set designed for the large cap will work. Tom H ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Hot Rockers Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:20:26 -0700 Check this out. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotrocker.com/index.html Not available for production yet, but if it does get offered Hot Rod magazine mentions the FE as a possible candidate for these. Tom H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:43:30 -0700 From: CLAUDE JONES Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Hi, Joe I'm running 8.8mm MSD's on my 66' 352 with electronic distributor, Small Cap and haven't had any problems yet. Wires fit the cap just fine, none are touching so no cross fire problems. Correct me if I'm wrong guys! but if you want to change to a large cap all you need is the spacer off of a 360 or 390 that is running a large cap distributor, because the fords run a two piece set up, am I right on that guys!! Hope I helped :o). CJ ( the other one) 66' F250, CC/CS 352/NP435 NV ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:36:16 EDT Subject: Re: Hot Rockers AWESOME SYSTEM!! I just wrote for info on those. My new 460 would love to have those in it. Think of the possibilities....Uh oh, Im droolin on the keyboard. Is this from the newest Hot Rod? If so Im goin to pick it up. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:23:37 -0700 From: CLAUDE JONES Subject: Couple of Q's Ok I know it was most likely mentioned before, but I need to ask? 1. I just replace my clutch, pressure plate, throwout the whole shabang. I now have a vibration at 40 - 50 mph, once past that it smooths out?? Should I have replaced the u-joints while I was at it? The front one was loose when we lifted it up and started undoing everthing or could it be the carriage bearing off center? 2. While I had it up I dropped the oil pan and replaced the pan gasket. What a pain in the behind :o). I didn't know it at the time but found out real quick that you have to drop the oil pump also just to remove the pan. So while out I cleaned up the oil pickup screen, found that it had about a 1/3 of it blocked off with what looked like old gasket pieces. Inside of pan was very clean no sludge? go figure? haha. To get to the point now my oil pressure at start up is around 30 - 35 psi and running about 25 - 30 psi at 55 to 65 mph but drops down to 10 psi while at idle, no ping, no rattling, no slapping? Am I just worring about nothing like an expecting father! haha just had to ask! Thanks guys, I know you will be gentle with me! :o) CJ (the other one) 66' F250 CC/CS 352/NP435 NV ------------------------------ From: "Bob" Subject: 84 to 78 swap?? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:32:54 -0700 Fellow listers, does anyone out there know if the rear end under a 84 F150 will bolt up to a 78 F150? Also would a 84 still be a 9"? Thanks Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:37:40 -0500 From: prices Subject: large dist cap on FE Responding to large distributor cap for FE: On the 75-76 FE they had the electronic ign but used the same points style cap and rotor from the earlier years. For my 76 390, I called summit racing and got a Taylor plug wire set to fit a 1978 351M, the MSD-8205 Blaster 2F coil, and the MSD-8414 Cap-a-Dapt kit (includes rotor, cap,and bottom of cap). Add to it a set of Bosch platinum plugs set at around .044, this all ran a little over $100. Also needed wire separators to fit the new larger 8mm wires. I got the angled spark plug boots, but I think the straight ones would have worked better. To go cheaper, you can scrouge the yards for a late seventies cap and wires. The stock Duraspark II coil from 1977 on is plenty strong. Keep the 7 and 8 wires AWAY from each other. bkp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Allison" Subject: TripToTheGreatPacificNW Hey all- In case anybody wants to hook up for some FTE gab and some good food, I am going to be in Seattle on this Friday evening and in Portland on Saturday/Sunday. Believe it or not I am actually looking forward to getting a chocolate/Oreo cookie milkshake from a Shari's. Not to offend anyone in the South but they can't make milkshakes here worth a spit. Contact me off list if you're looking to show off your truck. FTE content: Looking forward to Pigeon Forge BIG TIME!!! Just a little over a month to go... Sincerely, J. Allison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: REPLACEMENT GRILLS Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:05:21 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: G & J Boling To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [61-79-list] Re: REPLACEMENT GRILLS > And YES, the 67-69' Grilles > > are all interchangeable! You could also mount the 70-72' Grilles on your > > truck but you would also have to change the Parking Light assemblies over > > as well. > > > > Dan Herrmann > ========================================================== > HI DAN > WELL today i found 4 grills locally but it turned out i didnt even need one > after all RELEIF > the wrecking yard also said the 67 to 72 grills were interchangeable as well > they wanted 50.00 each for them COMPLETE > i FINALLY went to check this truck out good knowing it was being gotten from > a good friend that said it was in good shape i just took his word for it it > is a south western truck and has been setting here in the north for 2 years > after looking it over it seems i will be also needing 2 floor boards a power > steering pump set up exhaust manifold pipes as well as a stick shift hump in > the interior as well BUT all in all the truck is in pretty good condition > tho really it also is needing a tailgate as well > SO I guess for 150.00 bucks it must be a pretty good deal really seeing as > how it has an almost new 390 2 bbl engine in it > THANKS > GORDON > P.S When i tried to send this i got it returned to me saying i was not a list member so i had to re-subscribe to the list can anyone tell me WHY ------------------------------ From: canzus seanet.comDate: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE At 05:43 PM 11:04:2000 -0700, CLAUDE JONES wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong guys! but if you want to change to a large cap >all you need is the spacer off of a 360 or 390 that is running a large >cap distributor, because the fords run a two piece set up, am I right on >that guys!! > Hope I helped :o). WRONGO Boyo, all Ford distributors from about '57 on use the same dimensions for the caps. What you need is the adapter and cap from a late '70's or early '80's 302, then a set of apropriate wires. 351M/400 will probably work for an FE. The late '57 had a '68 289, the coil I used would continue to fire two cylinders with a small cap. The problem went away with the large cap..... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.comDate: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: parting out 79 f100, I might be interested in the doors and maybe the dash pad if it's in good shape. Cant seem to think of anything else right now. What you asking for them? Im in Fl and it could make for a nice road trip in teh wonderbeast! George in Fl '79 Bronco 400 & C6 In a message dated 4/11/2000 12:11:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JJJJJGRANT aol.com writes:> i hate to part this truck, but i'm in need of the bed, grille shell, grille > and a few other pieces. the odometer only shows 52,000 miles and i believe > its actual, everything is so clean and complete, it has 302, automatic trans, > > 9" rear, complete air condition set up, complete emissions set up, power > disc > brakes, power steering, i have not decided on the doors, front fenders, hood, > > if anyone is interested let me know. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:32 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FE oiling system I have 2 suggestions. #1 you will find that the oil pump uses 1/2 inch holes and the passages in the aluminum oil filter mount are also 1/2 inch but the passage in the bottom of the block between them is not. I enlarge the passage to match everything. #2 Restrict the oil flow to the heads, it is a fairly common practice, especially if the rpm's are going to be a bit high (lots of hiway driving). (i can give you specs on what to do for the heads if you wish.) Matt Schu wrote: > FE Guys, > > Anyone have any suggestions or tips on inproving the oiling system in a FE? > I am rebuilding my engine this month. > > thanks > > schu > ______________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: Subject: Cab Mount Removal Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:54:19 -0700 Hi Doug, Don't heat them, the rubber gets really gummy and messy. Make a punch with a 1/2" end that is about 1' long. Set the punch down in the mount from the top and drive it through with a sledge. The two metal pieces WILL separate. Remove the rubbers, clean up the metal bits, grinding a bit off the male piece for a better fit, paint them up, put the new mounts on them and away you go. You can't buy the metal bits so don't screw them up or you'll have to scrounge some or build some. Pat Patsplace 77 F250 4X4 78 F150 W/Overloads 72 Ranger parts truck 79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction) 78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT. From: Douglas Trotter am looking for advice as to how to remove the old mounts. They appear to be permanently coupled in some way, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:12:03 -0700 From: keith pop.nwnexus.com (keith dean)Subject: Selling Moby Howdy from Seattle, I'm needing to get rid of my '76 F-250 2WD Supercab Trailer Special (to make room for my '79 F-250 4WD Supercab, which you all talked me into!). It has 73,000 original miles, PS,PDB,AC dual tanks 8300GVW. Never been wrecked. Still has original 16.5" wheels and hubcaps. Factory installed Ford canopy. Where can I find information on trade in value, "blue book" value, etc. Any help is appreciated. dehno Having to get rid of "Moby" ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 aol.comDate: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:43:16 EDT Subject: Re: Piston ID In a message dated 04/11/2000 2:04:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wish ford-trucks.net writes:<< That's probably a good guess >> LOL. I could be a weather guesser....I mean a weather forecaster huh? I found the piston number on the inside of the ruined one. It has B174 on it and is a Badger number. It is a cast .040 piston. Costs 32.99 for one replacement. They sure make you pay for breaking up a set of eight! :-( I am just glad I found an exact replacement. Thanks for the help! Rollie H. Hunt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: damon obrien Subject: -----------speaking of grills------------- look at this item on www.ebay.com item # = 305096259 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:47:42 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob > Fellow listers, does anyone out there know if the rear end under a 84 F150 > will bolt up to a 78 F150? Also would a 84 still be a 9"? > Bob, If you have access to the 84 rear end you may want to do some measuring. I got a 80's rear end (9") for 75 bucks. the rear end had 3.55 gears and was a 31 spline. I did not how ever measure the rear end before I attempted to swap it into my 65, much to my dismay the rear end was about 2 inches to wide. If I am not mistaken and I may very well be I was told that in the seventies Ford changed the rear end width. But I feel the best bet would be to draw diagrams and take measurements. Good Luck. Paul Rozell 65 F100 460 C6 96 F150 XLT Super Cab 5.0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:28:10 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? I can only speak for the 4x4's, but yes, 78 1/2 tonners went to a wider leaf spring in the rear (3 inch) and the dimensions on the rear axles stayed the same all the way up until 96 actually. (I believe this to be true for the 2 wheel drives also) So you could even put in a newer 8.8 style axle into the 78 truck if you wished. (who knows why!) Also- 80-84 1/2 tonners ALL had 31 spline axle shafts, and all used 9"'ers.. In 85 they had a mish-mosh of 8.8's and 9"inchers, (but they were still 31 spline). Before 80, take your change on 28 or 31... Not all 4x4's had 31, not all 2x4's had 28 contrary to belief. Good luck! Tony Marino redneck raex.comAt 07:47 AM 4/12/2000 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob > > Fellow listers, does anyone out there know if the rear end under a 84 F150 > > will bolt up to a 78 F150? Also would a 84 still be a 9"? > > > >Bob, >If you have access to the 84 rear end you may want to do some measuring. I >got a 80's rear end (9") for 75 bucks. the rear end had 3.55 gears and was a >31 spline. I did not how ever measure the rear end before I attempted to >swap it into my 65, much to my dismay the rear end was about 2 inches to >wide. If I am not mistaken and I may very well be I was told that in the >seventies Ford changed the rear end width. But I feel the best bet would be >to draw diagrams and take measurements. > >Good Luck. > >Paul Rozell >65 F100 460 C6 >96 F150 XLT Super Cab 5.0 > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:52:54 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Tony Marino wrote: > > I can only speak for the 4x4's, but yes, 78 1/2 tonners I thought it was 77.5. I've seen many late 77's (by production date) 1/2-3/4 tons with the wider stuff. >to a wider > leaf spring in the rear (3 inch) And the leaf spring pad locations changed, right!!? >and the dimensions on the rear axles > stayed the same all the way up until 96 actually. 97 for HD 250's and F350's I think. OX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:54:26 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? Hehehe-- thanks for "refining" my post to the list-- You are correct Ox with everything I know... 8-) I only attested to what I knew FOR SURE, but thanks for the follow-up.. 8-) >>leaf spring in the rear (3 inch) >And the leaf spring pad locations changed, right!!? Yup. BTDT. Tony Marino redneck raex.comAt 09:52 AM 4/12/00 -0400, you wrote: >Tony Marino wrote: >> >> I can only speak for the 4x4's, but yes, 78 1/2 tonners > > I thought it was 77.5. I've seen many late 77's (by production date) >1/2-3/4 tons with the wider stuff. > >>to a wider >> leaf spring in the rear (3 inch) > x> >>and the dimensions on the rear axles >> stayed the same all the way up until 96 actually. > >97 for HD 250's and F350's I think. > > > OX ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:58:38 GMT Subject: Re: Hot Rockers I dunno, those are a little fishy to me, if you are runnin any sort of valve spring to help prevent float won't you be putting a lot of force on one "little" point ? I mean I know they rock on essentially a "line" now because of the design with the rollers and such, but still this seems slightly unstable, and they say it adjusts automatically ... how? why ? I dunno, too many ??'s I'd have to see it a few times to really understand what they're trying to say with it ... and longevity is still an issue in my mind ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:59:30 -0700 > Hi, Joe > I'm running 8.8mm MSD's on my 66' 352 with electronic distributor, > Small Cap and haven't had any problems yet. Wires fit the cap just > fine, none are touching so no cross fire problems. > Correct me if I'm wrong guys! but if you want to change to > a large cap > all you need is the spacer off of a 360 or 390 that is running a large > cap distributor, because the fords run a two piece set up, am > I right on > that guys!! > Hope I helped :o). > > CJ ( the other one) > 66' F250, CC/CS > 352/NP435 > NV Actually if you find an FE with a large cap setup it's because the PO put it there. You need the adapter from ANY motor that has one. I got mine from a 302 in a van. I should have grabbed the wires too but I didn't. Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: Hot Rockers Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:59:37 -0700 > > AWESOME SYSTEM!! I just wrote for info on those. My new 460 > would love to > have those in it. Think of the possibilities....Uh oh, Im > droolin on the > keyboard. Is this from the newest Hot Rod? If so Im goin to > pick it up. > > Darrell & Tweety Yes. For you FE people you may want to get last month's issue of Popular Hot Roddin'. They are featuring the buildup of the Mr Gasket giveaway car. It is a Ford wagon from the early 60's --- with an FE. Last month they feature the engine build up. Unfortunately they don't go into much real detail. Tom H ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:01:33 GMT Subject: Re: Couple of Q's To get to the point now my oil pressure at start up is around 30 >- 35 psi and running about 25 - 30 psi at 55 to 65 mph but drops down >to 10 psi while at idle, no ping, no rattling, no slapping? > Am I just worring about nothing like an expecting father! haha just >had to ask! I think the "general rule" or "rule of thumb" is about 10psi/1000rpm's ? So you're probably a little bit low on the pressure, but the gauge might be off that much ? Actually as long as you're maintaining pressure at idle I don't think there's too much of a problem, my old 360 would drop to 0 after sitting at idle for very long, no pinging or clattering, and pick right back up when I stepped on it ... ran it that way for a year with no problem (as I was rebuildling a 390). One of these days I'm gonna tear that motor down and see what it really looks like inside ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Scott Jensen" Subject: Re: Portland machine shops Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:12:14 -0700 We have a Six States down here in Salem, too. Good for driveline work, spicer parts, etc. I do most of the work on my truck, but know where to go for parts, depending on the application. Maybe we ought to plan something for this summer or fall. A get together would be great! Moving to Oregon? Sure you don't want to just visit? Well, if you really have to: change your license plates the first day here, own at least one flannel shirt, don't compare anything here to Cali #^nia. In fact, don'tmention the word unless in reference to a trip to Reno. Enjoy rain. ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:08:14 GMT Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? >Fellow listers, does anyone out there know if the rear end under a 84 F150 >will bolt up to a 78 F150? Also would a 84 still be a 9"? > You'll have to check the 84 to see if its a 9" or not, if its got a rear cover bolted on, then likely its not a 9" ... Also as someone else said check the width's, I'm pretty sure they're different, but always good to check ... also the spring widths may be an issue, but you can get new perchs put on I'm sure ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS aol.comDate: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:10:23 EDT Subject: Gas tank plumbing George, On the 78 I rebuilt, the vent went over and attached to the same piece as the inlet hose....it probably came off with the bed.... CJ ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS aol.comDate: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:10:29 EDT Subject: FE oiling system schu, The Steve Christ book on the Big Block Fords has a pretty good description of this, if I remember correctly.... CJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:11:52 -0500 From: "Howard Bottles" Subject: Re: Wires for large Dist. Cap on FE I have switched most of my 360-390 fords to the large HEI dist cap. Just go to the parts store and ask for a cap, rotor, spacer and plug wires for a ~80-85 model f150-f250 w/460. They work great. I had this setup on a '74 w/breakerless ign and a 74 w/Pertronix Ignitor. Howardb > > > Correct me if I'm wrong guys! but if you want to change to > > a large cap > > all you need is the spacer off of a 360 or 390 that is running a large > > cap distributor, because the fords run a two piece set up, am ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:54:13 -0500 Subject: Tire sizes From: "John LaGrone" I took Henry in for air conditioner work today. I thought I remembered an old chart showing tire size conversions so I took the digital camera along. SCORE!!! It shows all of the conversions from alpha numeric, pmetric, eurometric and more. It also has recommended rim widths. I will post these to the web as quickly as I can. If you need them sooner, I will be glad to e-mail them to you. Ken, if you want them for the FTE site, just say the word and they will be on their way. They could probably use a little assembly ad reorganization as the chart was too big for one picture. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:07:43 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: Tire sizes John LaGrone wrote: > > I took Henry in for air conditioner work today. I thought I remembered an > old chart showing tire size conversions so I took the digital camera along. > SCORE!!! It shows all of the conversions from alpha numeric, pmetric, > eurometric and more. It also has recommended rim widths. I will post these > to the web as quickly as I can. If you need them sooner, I will be glad to > e-mail them to you. Ken, if you want them for the FTE site, just say the > word and they will be on their way. They could probably use a little > assembly ad reorganization as the chart was too big for one picture. > GOOD DEAL!!!. I've been looking for this type of info for along time. E-mail away, I'll be waiting. OX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:18:28 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? wish wrote: > > >Fellow listers, does anyone out there know if the rear end under a 84 F150 > > >will bolt up to a 78 F150? Also would a 84 still be a 9"? > > > > You'll have to check the 84 to see if its a 9" or not, if its got a rear cover > bolted on, then likely its not a 9" ... > > Also as someone else said check the width's, I'm pretty sure they're different, > but always good to check ... also the spring widths may be an issue, but you > can get new perchs put on I'm sure ... > The widths of springs and spring perch centers should be the same on any 84 to 78 ford light duty platform (F350 and under). OX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:45:12 -0500 Subject: FW: tire conversions From: "John LaGrone" Bill (wish) has done it again. He's fast he's good, he's handsome, he's witty, ..you get the picture. He posted the tire charts at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Www2/John/tireconv.html Enjoy, FTE!!! Thanks again, Bill. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ---------- >From: "William S. Hart" >To: "John LaGrone" >Subject: RE: tire conversions >Date: Wed, Apr 12, 2000, 10:39 AM > >> Bill, Here are the files I intended to post to the web, but I can't ftp to >> the current FTE server. If you have time, do you want to post them? The >> links in my html page will, of course, be incorrect as I set them >> to my FTE >> directory. >> > > Here ya go : > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Www2/John/tireconv.html > > I even cleaned up the HTML so as long as the files all stay together it > doesn't matter what directory they are in, so you can copy the files up to > FTE whenever you want ... > > Bill ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: 84 to 78 swap?? In a message dated 4/12/00 7:10:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wish ford-trucks.net writes:<< You'll have to check the 84 to see if its a 9" or not, if its got a rear cover bolted on, then likely its not a 9" ... >> Just so yall know, my bros 84 1/2 ton 2wd has an 8.8 under it, I thought 81 or 82 was the last year for the 9 incher under the 2wd trucks. I know the 4x4 had em for a lil while longer, perhaps till the 87 body change? Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" ------------------------------ From: "sean michael bishop" Subject: stepside longbed, duel tanks, granny 4 Speed, and rear en Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:42:18 EDT Hello all. I am fixing to purchase a 68 F-250 for parts. It has an original 9ft stepside bed with light rust and wooden bottom that has almost rotted out. Would this bed fit my 79 F-150 and how hard would it be to replace the wood in the bed? Also it has a 3/4 ton rear axle and 16in wheels. Would the axles fit in a Ford 9in rear end or would I have to change the entire rear end out. Has any one ever put duel tanks in their truck? If so where did you put the second tank? I thought about in front of the rear end but I dont know about clearence concerns also how did you run the wires an plumbing. The rest of the truck Im gonna part out. It has a 4-speed granny tranny, 300ci inline motor and all the gauges, dash and interior pieces and intact. the fenders are ok but the hood is rusted through, frame is in great shape and so is the cab. Also I have my original bed with no rust and minor dents. I would definately consider trade for a V8 or C6\AOD tranny or anything useful for all or any peices. Well thanks for your time Andy White, 79 F150 FT. Walton Beach FL ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: am14 daimlerchrysler.comSubject: Dist cap Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:32:31 -0400 Joe DeL. writes: >>What type of spark plug wires can you use with the larger Ditributor cap for the electronic ign. on a FE...I've looked at 1976 and they have the elect. dist but the small cap..I've tried autolites,no name brand, and Napa....Everybodies seems to come up with the small cap only??? Do i need to make my own?Like Ford MOtorsport Blues?<< Never tried this, but I'm told that you can remove the vertical portion(side) and the top portion(cap) from the small blocks and install them on the FE dist. Supposedly is a direct "Clip on" replacement. If so, then you can use the larger wires by doing so. Probably would buy wire sets for a 460 if I did this, but the 351M/400 would probably work also.. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #66 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... 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