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61-79-list Digest Wed, 05 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 060

In This Issue:
Steering (again)
Looking for 2 things
carrier bearing
Re: Looking for 2 things
65 Ford 4x4, needing a home
Starter
paint codes
Re: Starter
Re: looking for two things
Kroil
Starter
SENIOR PIX AND MORE....
Re: kingpin
Re: Pressure Differential Valve vs.Proportioning Valve
Re: What is it called
Re: kingpin
Carrier Bearing
Re: Starter
Re: Kingpin
Re: What is it called
Very Nice NOS Parts
Re: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home
Re: kingpin

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From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:00:54 EDT
Subject: Steering (again)

Hey Dave,

I'm in the same boat for this 76 highboy, I have the 78 steering box, but no
pitman arm. Someone here said that Ford still has them.....just don't look at
the price and pull out the credit card.....

Guess I'll try that route. But the one other missing piece, at least for me,
is going to be the little drag link deal, since I'm planning on putting a 2"
lift in the front....I'm wondering if I'll need to put on a "drop down" link
(similar to the 3" Superlift one), or go with a raised version of the
"johnson arm" (or whatever the piece is called that is connected to the
driver's side knuckle and to connects to the drag link.....)

CJ (Colorado Jeff)

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From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:01:04 EDT
Subject: Looking for 2 things

Joe,

The "drag link", is really called the "track bar", right? One end mounts on a
big bolt on the passenger side axle and the other end to a bracket mounted on
the outside of the driver's side of the frame? If so, Superlift has them, and
they are high quality. It's the only way to go if you've done a lift on these
things...helps you dial in the lateral position of the axle.

The dust covers....well, junk yard is all I can say...

By the way, you put a 205 in your 68, right? Let me know if you need help
getting a custom speedometer cable.....I had to have one made for a similar
swap into my 69'....

CJ (Colorado Jeff)


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From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:00:59 EDT
Subject: carrier bearing

Big Don!

It sounds like your starter problem is actually just the bendix...I've
replaced these several times in the past...seems like they cost in the $10-15
range and are relatively easy to replace....if the starter is still spinning,
it sounds like the coils are all OK....might look into this fix first.

Regarding the carrier, I really don't think it was a big deal to remove it,
but maybe it does need to be pressed....I'm thinking a gear puller would work
fine....all I can say is I'm glad I finally got rid of mine and went to the
one-piece setup....

Good Luck!

CJ (Colorado Jeff)





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From: "Chris Samuel" email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for 2 things
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:44:26 -0700

-> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:44:40 -0400
-> From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis p3.net>
-> Subject: Looking for 2 things

SNIP<
-> also an adjustable drag link???The rod that mounts from the axle
-> to the frame??
-> Anybody with help can you email me
-> thanks
-> Joe

Joe it's a Track Rod and an adjustable one is available from Superlift.
Their site is suppose to be back up tomorrow (Thurs.)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superlift.com/

Later.
Muel


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From: "Desanto, Phillip" Cinergy.com>
Subject: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:11:51 -0400

> Some body lookin for a project ?? This was in our companies internal
> "Trading Post" today. Wish I had room........Phil
> ============================================================
> 65 Ford 1 ton, 4x4, 6cyl. dual wheels
> excellent cond. $3500.00 James Miner 1-317-839-7740 (central Indiana)


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Starter
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:22:05 -0400

Don G. writes: >> Second is the starter. Spins
just fine but the drive gear doesn't always engage the flywheel. The
problem only gets worse as the starter gets hotter. Early in the
morning it is fine but if I drive it for 20min and try to start it
back up the problem arises. Let it cool for 1/2 hour starts right up
again. I can hear the starter spinning. Should I try to fix it or
just do a quick swap with a rebuilt?<<

The "Bendix" spring has lost its tension or is broke. You can replace just
the Bendix. Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't rocket
science mentality.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: "Trenten Boucher" hotmail.com>
Subject: paint codes
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:33:19 PDT


I have recently restored my 1977 F250 Custom and all that I have left is to
paint the rims and replace the weatherstripping for the track that the rear
window slides in. If anyone knows the original gray paint code for the rims
or where I can get such weatherstripping it would be much appreciated.

from Trenten

twincylinder122 hotmail.com

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:04:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Starter

>just fine but the drive gear doesn't always engage the flywheel. The
>problem only gets worse as the starter gets hotter. Early in the

>The "Bendix" spring has lost its tension or is broke. You can replace just

>the Bendix. Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't rocket
>science mentality.

Yup, this is likely it, seems like the books called it the starter drive or
starter drive gear, though Dad's always called it a bendix ...

Seems like 2 or 3 bolts to get the nose wheel off, then a snap ring and it slips
right out ... I've had to do this several times on various vehicles ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:17:27 -0400
From: George Selby ibox.net>
Subject: Re: looking for two things

The brake shields should be fairly easy to find. I seem to remember James Duff sells
them with his disc brake conversion kit, and I believe he would sell the shields
seperately.

The bar you need is the Track Bar. This goes from the driver's side frame to the
pass side of the axle. It centers the axle under the truck. If it is loose, truck
steers very poorly.

The adjustable drag link goes from the pitman arm on the steering box to the tie
rod. Having an adjustable one of these enables you to center your steerig wheel
after a lift is put on the truck.

The chances are if you need one of the above, you need both. Both are available
from Superlift, Skyjacker, James Duff, www.rockymountainsusp.com, and numerous other
locations.

George


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From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Kroil
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:37:22 -0500

Thanks for address and # for Kano Labs. You do have to order direct
from them. Not sold in stores. I have some coming. Hope it proves as
good as they say. I'm trying some PB Blaster now, which I've found in
stores here. "G"


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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: Starter



Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't
rocket science mentality.

it's real easy, and most parts are interchangable no matter what
kind of ford starter it is. i rebuilt my '68 starter with parts
from a european escort. if you haven't removed the starter pay
attention to any spacers between the starter and bellhousing, i
ate up the thingy (great terminology) that pushes out the drive
gear and is full of bearings because it extended about 16th of
and inch too far and contacted a few raised "tits" on the fly wheel.

=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:42:13 EDT
Subject: SENIOR PIX AND MORE....

Hey everyone! What's up? Well, I FINALLY took my senior pix yesterday. The
photographer took pix out in the middle of a field with lots of yellow
flowers, Good thing Envy is lifted! LOL Anyways, I'll get them back on Friday
and I'll try to have one on a disk ASAP so y'all can see me, oops! I meant to
say Envy! *wink* Also, I am still looking for a roll bar/sport bar/light bar
thing so PLEASE tell me if ya hear of a used one for sale 200$> rack with lights!> Thanks!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*

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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:41:38 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: kingpin

Heating up the kingpin with a propane torch is not enough. Trust me, I
tried! I was tempted to construct a steel box to use with a bottle jack to
press it out (can't remember the url or the name of the guy who came up
with it but I have a picture of you need it). But when I bought the new
kingpins and started looking at all the little pieces and all the time and
effort involved, I just took it to the shop and paid to get them done. An
acetylene torch and a whole lot of hammering (preferably with an air
chisel/hammer) is the least you'll need. While you can probably save money
by installing them yourself, spare yourself the grief and get a garage to
remove them...


David Wadson (wadsondair.on.ca)



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From: TBeeeeaol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:52:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Pressure Differential Valve vs.Proportioning Valve

Actually Chris....the part you described would be the brake "pressure
differential valve" provided your truck still has the original drum brakes up
front. If a disc brake swap has been done then it "should" be a
proportioning valve assuming someone properly changed all of the components.
These two items are not one in the same.

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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> On my 67 F100 I have a valve of some type located on the driverside frame
> rail, all of the brakelines feed into it, what is it called, mine is
severly
>
> rusted, this is probably a stupid question but I will never know if I
don't
> ask.
>

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From: TBeeeeaol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:54:09 EDT
Subject: Re: What is it called

Whoops! My bad. I probably should read all the messages first before
responding. I agree with your comments Jason.

Stock Man

> It is not a proportioning valve because there is no
> need to proportion braking front to rear on a 4 wheel drum brake system.
> Jason

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From: "Jerry Splawn" tcac.net>
Subject: Re: kingpin
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:03:03 -0500

I now wish I'd had the shop do it. Few want to touch it since everthing is
disassembled, those they do refuse to use the parts I've already purchased,
its becoming a real bummer.

I suppose one alternative would be to take the whole I-beam off and take it
to a machine shop to have it pressed out

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Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:42 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: kingpin


Heating up the kingpin with a propane torch is not enough. Trust me, I
tried! I was tempted to construct a steel box to use with a bottle jack to
press it out (can't remember the url or the name of the guy who came up
with it but I have a picture of you need it). But when I bought the new
kingpins and started looking at all the little pieces and all the time and
effort involved, I just took it to the shop and paid to get them done. An
acetylene torch and a whole lot of hammering (preferably with an air
chisel/hammer) is the least you'll need. While you can probably save money
by installing them yourself, spare yourself the grief and get a garage to
remove them...


David Wadson (wadsondair.on.ca)


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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:06:00 -0700
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Carrier Bearing

>>>>>>>>>>Just a couple quick questions. Does the carrier bearing on a
split rear drive shaft need to be pressed off or can I change
it with a BFG or something of that nature?

When I did the one on my 84 I slipped the yoke off sprayed it with a
little Kroil and dropped the drive line straight down (spline end
first)onto a 4X4 block of wood.Did this about 4-5 times and the carrier
bearing was off.
You don't have to drop it very hard.
I used a block of wood and a hammer to install the new one.Didn't have
to hit it very hard either.
BTW on the 84 the splines will only go one way so you might mark every
thing before disassembly.

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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:25:37 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Starter

Thanks for all the help with the starter. It was just the fork that
pushes the drive gear out. one of the tabs was broken off. I was in
a hurry so I just swapped in a new rebuild and figure I can weld up
the broken fork later.

next on my list is the clutch. It doesn't chatter, it SHAKES
VIOLENTLY! when being engaged. Once engaged all is find and dandy.
Doesn't slip at all.

Laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdonmac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:18:34 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: Kingpin


I had one of them Nasty stuck Kingpins on my 75 F150 also. My Air Hammer
would not touch it! After securing the I-Beam solid on some blocks it took
a pin punch about the size of the kingpin and a BFH (big frigg'n hammer) to
beat it out!! Don't try this with your claw hammer, you'll need about a 8
or 10 LB Plumb or Engineers hammer to do it. Not to mention a strong arm
and a few good solid wacks!! Don't forget to drive the lockpin out before
trying to remove the kingpin.

If you do remove the I-Beams and have them pressed out, then go ahead and
have them install new I-beam end bushings as well. You can still order them
from Ford. Even if they look good, replace them. This is a cheap fix!

Good luck!

Dan Herrmann



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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is it called
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:38:46 CDT

Christopher,
This part is called a perportioning valve. Don't bother trying to find one
at the dealership. The only place I found one was the junk yard.
Luke Phillips
67 F100 short bed 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 Super Nats Bound!

>From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] What is it called
>Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:50:14 PDT
>
>On my 67 F100 I have a valve of some type located on the driverside frame
>rail, all of the brakelines feed into it, what is it called, mine is
>severly
>rusted, this is probably a stupid question but I will never know if I don't
>ask.
>
>
>Chris
>'67 F100
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:43:27 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Very Nice NOS Parts


Not sure how many of you were able to attend the Columbus Spring Swap last
Saturday & Sunday. I walked away with several good NOS Truck parts at Very
reasonable prices. But I also walked away from some that would have put me
into Divorce Court had I bought them!!

If anybody is in need of one, Dale King had one of them Extremely Hard to
Find NOS 69' Aluminum Grilles (not the Ranger type). He said he had two of
them. Him or I have not seen one of them around for many years!! Another
gentleman had some Very Nice NOS 73/79 Bedsides. He had a pair of Shortbed
sides and a pair of Longbed. But he was very proud of them! He wanted $750
EACH for the Shortbed skins and $650 EACH for the longbed!!!! Dale also
had some NOS Dashpads for the 73/79 and some other NOS Truck items. Bruce
Foley was also there with a bunch of NOS Truck Items. He had several Trim
pieces, emblems, etc for anything 61/79. And many individuals selling
private collections.

Next years show will be March 31st & April 1st. There is also a Fall show
that is just about as big but is sponsored by another club.

Next is Pigeon Forge!!!

Dan Herrmann



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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:45:29 -0400

It sure sounds cool !!! I have the room,I just don't have the money.(Just
bought a brand new 2000 Ford Explorer) Maybe next time.
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From: Desanto, Phillip Cinergy.com>
To: 'Ford Truck -POSTINGS' <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:15 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home


>> Some body lookin for a project ?? This was in our companies internal
>> "Trading Post" today. Wish I had room........Phil
>> ============================================================
>> 65 Ford 1 ton, 4x4, 6cyl. dual wheels
>> excellent cond. $3500.00 James Miner 1-317-839-7740 (central Indiana)
>
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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: kingpin
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:22:29 -0700


>
> I suppose one alternative would be to take the whole I-beam
> off and take it
> to a machine shop to have it pressed out

Go ahead. That's what the shop I took mine to did. One thing, I haven't
seen mention of this in any of the threads. Have you removed the retaining
bolt that's in the middle of the kingpin? Goes in the notch you can see in
the new ones you bought. I know I might be stating the obvious.

Tom H

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