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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #60 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 05 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 060 In This Issue: Steering (again) Looking for 2 things carrier bearing Re: Looking for 2 things 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home Starter paint codes Re: Starter Re: looking for two things Kroil Starter SENIOR PIX AND MORE.... Re: kingpin Re: Pressure Differential Valve vs.Proportioning Valve Re: What is it called Re: kingpin Carrier Bearing Re: Starter Re: Kingpin Re: What is it called Very Nice NOS Parts Re: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home Re: kingpin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDIJXS aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:00:54 EDT Subject: Steering (again) Hey Dave, I'm in the same boat for this 76 highboy, I have the 78 steering box, but no pitman arm. Someone here said that Ford still has them.....just don't look at the price and pull out the credit card..... Guess I'll try that route. But the one other missing piece, at least for me, is going to be the little drag link deal, since I'm planning on putting a 2" lift in the front....I'm wondering if I'll need to put on a "drop down" link (similar to the 3" Superlift one), or go with a raised version of the "johnson arm" (or whatever the piece is called that is connected to the driver's side knuckle and to connects to the drag link.....) CJ (Colorado Jeff) ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:01:04 EDT Subject: Looking for 2 things Joe, The "drag link", is really called the "track bar", right? One end mounts on a big bolt on the passenger side axle and the other end to a bracket mounted on the outside of the driver's side of the frame? If so, Superlift has them, and they are high quality. It's the only way to go if you've done a lift on these things...helps you dial in the lateral position of the axle. The dust covers....well, junk yard is all I can say... By the way, you put a 205 in your 68, right? Let me know if you need help getting a custom speedometer cable.....I had to have one made for a similar swap into my 69'.... CJ (Colorado Jeff) ------------------------------ From: BDIJXS aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:00:59 EDT Subject: carrier bearing Big Don! It sounds like your starter problem is actually just the bendix...I've replaced these several times in the past...seems like they cost in the $10-15 range and are relatively easy to replace....if the starter is still spinning, it sounds like the coils are all OK....might look into this fix first. Regarding the carrier, I really don't think it was a big deal to remove it, but maybe it does need to be pressed....I'm thinking a gear puller would work fine....all I can say is I'm glad I finally got rid of mine and went to the one-piece setup.... Good Luck! CJ (Colorado Jeff) ------------------------------ From: "Chris Samuel" Subject: Re: Looking for 2 things Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:44:26 -0700 -> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:44:40 -0400 -> From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis -> Subject: Looking for 2 things SNIP< -> also an adjustable drag link???The rod that mounts from the axle -> to the frame?? -> Anybody with help can you email me -> thanks -> Joe Joe it's a Track Rod and an adjustable one is available from Superlift. Their site is suppose to be back up tomorrow (Thurs.) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superlift.com/ Later. Muel ------------------------------ From: "Desanto, Phillip" Subject: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:11:51 -0400 > Some body lookin for a project ?? This was in our companies internal > "Trading Post" today. Wish I had room........Phil > ============================================================ > 65 Ford 1 ton, 4x4, 6cyl. dual wheels > excellent cond. $3500.00 James Miner 1-317-839-7740 (central Indiana) ------------------------------ From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: Starter Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:22:05 -0400 Don G. writes: >> Second is the starter. Spins just fine but the drive gear doesn't always engage the flywheel. The problem only gets worse as the starter gets hotter. Early in the morning it is fine but if I drive it for 20min and try to start it back up the problem arises. Let it cool for 1/2 hour starts right up again. I can hear the starter spinning. Should I try to fix it or just do a quick swap with a rebuilt?<< The "Bendix" spring has lost its tension or is broke. You can replace just the Bendix. Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't rocket science mentality. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al ------------------------------ From: "Trenten Boucher" Subject: paint codes Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:33:19 PDT I have recently restored my 1977 F250 Custom and all that I have left is to paint the rims and replace the weatherstripping for the track that the rear window slides in. If anyone knows the original gray paint code for the rims or where I can get such weatherstripping it would be much appreciated. from Trenten twincylinder122 hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:04:19 GMT Subject: Re: Starter >just fine but the drive gear doesn't always engage the flywheel. The >problem only gets worse as the starter gets hotter. Early in the >The "Bendix" spring has lost its tension or is broke. You can replace just >the Bendix. Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't rocket >science mentality. Yup, this is likely it, seems like the books called it the starter drive or starter drive gear, though Dad's always called it a bendix ... Seems like 2 or 3 bolts to get the nose wheel off, then a snap ring and it slips right out ... I've had to do this several times on various vehicles ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:17:27 -0400 From: George Selby Subject: Re: looking for two things The brake shields should be fairly easy to find. I seem to remember James Duff sells them with his disc brake conversion kit, and I believe he would sell the shields seperately. The bar you need is the Track Bar. This goes from the driver's side frame to the pass side of the axle. It centers the axle under the truck. If it is loose, truck steers very poorly. The adjustable drag link goes from the pitman arm on the steering box to the tie rod. Having an adjustable one of these enables you to center your steerig wheel after a lift is put on the truck. The chances are if you need one of the above, you need both. Both are available from Superlift, Skyjacker, James Duff, www.rockymountainsusp.com, and numerous other locations. George ------------------------------ From: "Gary L. Perry" Subject: Kroil Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:37:22 -0500 Thanks for address and # for Kano Labs. You do have to order direct from them. Not sold in stores. I have some coming. Hope it proves as good as they say. I'm trying some PB Blaster now, which I've found in stores here. "G" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "D. DiMartino" Subject: Starter Have to disassemble the whole thing, but it ain't rocket science mentality. it's real easy, and most parts are interchangable no matter what kind of ford starter it is. i rebuilt my '68 starter with parts from a european escort. if you haven't removed the starter pay attention to any spacers between the starter and bellhousing, i ate up the thingy (great terminology) that pushes out the drive gear and is full of bearings because it extended about 16th of and inch too far and contacted a few raised "tits" on the fly wheel. ===== Daniel DiMartino 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:42:13 EDT Subject: SENIOR PIX AND MORE.... Hey everyone! What's up? Well, I FINALLY took my senior pix yesterday. The photographer took pix out in the middle of a field with lots of yellow flowers, Good thing Envy is lifted! LOL Anyways, I'll get them back on Friday and I'll try to have one on a disk ASAP so y'all can see me, oops! I meant to say Envy! *wink* Also, I am still looking for a roll bar/sport bar/light bar thing so PLEASE tell me if ya hear of a used one for sale *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:41:38 -0400 From: David Wadson Subject: Re: kingpin Heating up the kingpin with a propane torch is not enough. Trust me, I tried! I was tempted to construct a steel box to use with a bottle jack to press it out (can't remember the url or the name of the guy who came up with it but I have a picture of you need it). But when I bought the new kingpins and started looking at all the little pieces and all the time and effort involved, I just took it to the shop and paid to get them done. An acetylene torch and a whole lot of hammering (preferably with an air chisel/hammer) is the least you'll need. While you can probably save money by installing them yourself, spare yourself the grief and get a garage to remove them... David Wadson (wadsond air.on.ca)------------------------------ From: TBeeee aol.comDate: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:52:19 EDT Subject: Re: Pressure Differential Valve vs.Proportioning Valve Actually Chris....the part you described would be the brake "pressure differential valve" provided your truck still has the original drum brakes up front. If a disc brake swap has been done then it "should" be a proportioning valve assuming someone properly changed all of the components. These two items are not one in the same. Stock Man 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd 1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee > On my 67 F100 I have a valve of some type located on the driverside frame > rail, all of the brakelines feed into it, what is it called, mine is severly > > rusted, this is probably a stupid question but I will never know if I don't > ask. > ------------------------------ From: TBeeee aol.comDate: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:54:09 EDT Subject: Re: What is it called Whoops! My bad. I probably should read all the messages first before responding. I agree with your comments Jason. Stock Man > It is not a proportioning valve because there is no > need to proportion braking front to rear on a 4 wheel drum brake system. > Jason ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Splawn" Subject: Re: kingpin Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:03:03 -0500 I now wish I'd had the shop do it. Few want to touch it since everthing is disassembled, those they do refuse to use the parts I've already purchased, its becoming a real bummer. I suppose one alternative would be to take the whole I-beam off and take it to a machine shop to have it pressed out -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David WadsonSent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:42 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.comSubject: [61-79-list] Re: kingpin Heating up the kingpin with a propane torch is not enough. Trust me, I tried! I was tempted to construct a steel box to use with a bottle jack to press it out (can't remember the url or the name of the guy who came up with it but I have a picture of you need it). But when I bought the new kingpins and started looking at all the little pieces and all the time and effort involved, I just took it to the shop and paid to get them done. An acetylene torch and a whole lot of hammering (preferably with an air chisel/hammer) is the least you'll need. While you can probably save money by installing them yourself, spare yourself the grief and get a garage to remove them... David Wadson (wadsond air.on.ca)========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:06:00 -0700 From: scott Subject: Carrier Bearing >>>>>>>>>>Just a couple quick questions. Does the carrier bearing on a split rear drive shaft need to be pressed off or can I change it with a BFG or something of that nature? When I did the one on my 84 I slipped the yoke off sprayed it with a little Kroil and dropped the drive line straight down (spline end first)onto a 4X4 block of wood.Did this about 4-5 times and the carrier bearing was off. You don't have to drop it very hard. I used a block of wood and a hammer to install the new one.Didn't have to hit it very hard either. BTW on the 84 the splines will only go one way so you might mark every thing before disassembly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:25:37 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Starter Thanks for all the help with the starter. It was just the fork that pushes the drive gear out. one of the tabs was broken off. I was in a hurry so I just swapped in a new rebuild and figure I can weld up the broken fork later. next on my list is the clutch. It doesn't chatter, it SHAKES VIOLENTLY! when being engaged. Once engaged all is find and dandy. Doesn't slip at all. Laters -- Don Grossman duckdon mac.com43 GPW 63 F-100 4x4 77 F250 99 Contour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:18:34 -0500 From: Dan Herrmann Subject: Re: Kingpin I had one of them Nasty stuck Kingpins on my 75 F150 also. My Air Hammer would not touch it! After securing the I-Beam solid on some blocks it took a pin punch about the size of the kingpin and a BFH (big frigg'n hammer) to beat it out!! Don't try this with your claw hammer, you'll need about a 8 or 10 LB Plumb or Engineers hammer to do it. Not to mention a strong arm and a few good solid wacks!! Don't forget to drive the lockpin out before trying to remove the kingpin. If you do remove the I-Beams and have them pressed out, then go ahead and have them install new I-beam end bushings as well. You can still order them from Ford. Even if they look good, replace them. This is a cheap fix! Good luck! Dan Herrmann ------------------------------ From: "Luke Phillips" Subject: Re: What is it called Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:38:46 CDT Christopher, This part is called a perportioning valve. Don't bother trying to find one at the dealership. The only place I found one was the junk yard. Luke Phillips 67 F100 short bed 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 Super Nats Bound! >From: "Christopher Worley" >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com>Subject: [61-79-list] What is it called >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:50:14 PDT > >On my 67 F100 I have a valve of some type located on the driverside frame >rail, all of the brakelines feed into it, what is it called, mine is >severly >rusted, this is probably a stupid question but I will never know if I don't >ask. > > >Chris >'67 F100 >______________________________________________________ > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:43:27 -0500 From: Dan Herrmann Subject: Very Nice NOS Parts Not sure how many of you were able to attend the Columbus Spring Swap last Saturday & Sunday. I walked away with several good NOS Truck parts at Very reasonable prices. But I also walked away from some that would have put me into Divorce Court had I bought them!! If anybody is in need of one, Dale King had one of them Extremely Hard to Find NOS 69' Aluminum Grilles (not the Ranger type). He said he had two of them. Him or I have not seen one of them around for many years!! Another gentleman had some Very Nice NOS 73/79 Bedsides. He had a pair of Shortbed sides and a pair of Longbed. But he was very proud of them! He wanted $750 EACH for the Shortbed skins and $650 EACH for the longbed!!!! Dale also had some NOS Dashpads for the 73/79 and some other NOS Truck items. Bruce Foley was also there with a bunch of NOS Truck Items. He had several Trim pieces, emblems, etc for anything 61/79. And many individuals selling private collections. Next years show will be March 31st & April 1st. There is also a Fall show that is just about as big but is sponsored by another club. Next is Pigeon Forge!!! Dan Herrmann ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:45:29 -0400 It sure sounds cool !!! I have the room,I just don't have the money.(Just bought a brand new 2000 Ford Explorer) Maybe next time. -----Original Message----- From: Desanto, Phillip To: 'Ford Truck -POSTINGS' <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: [61-79-list] 65 Ford 4x4, needing a home >> Some body lookin for a project ?? This was in our companies internal >> "Trading Post" today. Wish I had room........Phil >> ============================================================ >> 65 Ford 1 ton, 4x4, 6cyl. dual wheels >> excellent cond. $3500.00 James Miner 1-317-839-7740 (central Indiana) > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: kingpin Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:22:29 -0700 > > I suppose one alternative would be to take the whole I-beam > off and take it > to a machine shop to have it pressed out Go ahead. That's what the shop I took mine to did. One thing, I haven't seen mention of this in any of the threads. Have you removed the retaining bolt that's in the middle of the kingpin? Goes in the notch you can see in the new ones you bought. I know I might be stating the obvious. 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