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61-79-list Digest Sat, 01 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 057

In This Issue:
Re: FW: Camper Special
Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to
Re: "New" 1979 Crew Cab
Re: "New" 1979 Crew Cab
My Rear End Fried....
Re: My Rear End Fried....
Re: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?
Re: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?

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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Camper Special
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 20:53:58 PST

The rubber mounts are available from autokrafters, I belive the other parts
would be available from them too.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com

Chris
67 F100

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>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:48:25 -0500
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>From: Gregory, Gerry
>Sent: March 31, 2000 12:21 PM
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>Subject: Camper Special
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>
>Hi All
>I am also new to the list in that this is my first post.
>I have a 1975 F250 Camper Special 390 (Casper). I need to replace the rad
>mount and I have found one locally. Will the front fenders have to be
>removed of loosened to take the rad mount off? Where can I find the rubber
>mounts. I am also looking for interior parts-a steering wheel, and plastic
>clips for the rear side opening windows.
>I read the list each day and I appreciate the tips and ideas I find here.
>cheers
>gerry gregory
>Kingston Ontario
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 23:03:20 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part

Christopher Worley wrote:
>
> Man am I jealous now.
>
> Chris
>

I'm figuring on driving it a few days and it'll probably start smoking
real bad (although just maybe not, figers are crossed) when the rings
get all chewed up by the rust that was probably all over the cylinder
walls what do you guys think? If it does I'll probably just throw
another 6 in it and rebuild this one and put a clutch in it while the
motor is out because I'm figuring the clutch will probably be pretty
brittle and weak too, any comments on that?

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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:42:11 -0800

Me too!!!!!

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> Man am I jealous now.
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> Chris
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:52:27 -0500

Sounds like a good deal to me.I can never find any deals like that!!
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Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 11:44 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to part
out!


>Just need to vent, had a great day, brought home a new toy........
> Been noticing a '77 F-150 4x2 in someones backyard for a few years now
>under some trees, hasn't moved in over 10 years. Stopped a few times
>over the last few years but there was never any answer at the door. I
>never paid too much attention to it because its been sitting so long I
>figured it was completely trashed as wisconsin winters (salt) are hard
>on these trucks. Well anyways finally I got an answer at the door. Old
>man (original and only owner ever) tells me $500 and its mine. I
>figured it probably wasn't worth half that. But I walk back there and
>its MINT! NO RUST! I pounded on the rear wheel wells which are usually
>the first to go around heere and they are completely solid. Bottom of
>doors have a little rust though if you really look, frontend including
>bumper and pusher type bumper guards are mint! Mint Grill and all.
>Explorer hood ornament on hood and Explorer paint! So I figure WOW, i
>want this for the body figuring the drivetrain is locked up solid.
> Story is he put a bunch of money into it in 1987 for new brakes, tires,
>and paint although there was no rust on it he says, and i believe it
>because I couln't find a trace of bondo. Then the motor died and he
>didn't want to put any more money into it. So the truck hasn't had a
>finger on it in 13 years! I opened my wallet, had $200 in it and
>offered it to him. He accepted and handed me the title! Original title
>from 1977 with a stack of paper work including the original receipt from
>the dealer and owners manual in perfect shape. So I run home and grab
>one of my carhaulers. Got back to the truck and clipped a lot of the
>brush back as not to scratch the perfect explorer paint job. Pop the
>hood, 300 with lots of cobwebs, just for kicks grab the lower pulley
>and try to spin. IT TURNED! I was like wow, motors not even locked up.
>Then jacked all the tires up out of the mud with my floor jack and
>filled them up with air. ALL THE TIRES TURNED! I was impressed, i
>figured the brakes would all be locked up like many other trucks I have
>boughten were. I was impressed! I was getting excited so I threw a
>battery in it to see if the starter might pull it up onto the bed of the
>truck so I didn't have to winch it up. IT DID! Hit the starter put it
>in reverse and let out the clutch, creeped up the angled bed! I was
>amazed at this point. Got it home figured mine as well try it, dumped
>some gas into the tank and down the carb, the air filter even looked
>brand new! Hit the key and it STARTED RIGHT UP! Died once the gas in
>the carb was gone, repeated this 4 or 5 times. Pulled the fuel line off
>carb, blew air with compressor back through line to maybe clean it out
>because nothing was coming out when I cranked it. Still nothing.
>Strung up a old radiator overflow tank to the hood which was up and ran
>a line to the carb to let gravity do the fuel pumping.Ran great for 10
>min until ran out of fuel. I even drove it around the yard a bit with
>the hood up, I just had to. Although it had no brakes.
> Ends up the Fuel pump was the culprit, probably why the truck was
>parked so many years ago. Took five minutes to change that with an old
>one I had. Ran without my aux tank! After some bleeding got the rear
>brakes to work! Ran to the autoparts store and bought new front pads,
>calipers, and rotors. Got home and threw them on although the old pads
>and calipers looked like they had just came out of box from the parts
>store too but i figured if i was putting new rotors on i'd better get
>new pads too. Did the brake job, must say easiest brake job I have ever
>done, took about an ghour plus bleeding! Everything actually came apart
>with no set-backs, never happened to me before. Had to take it for a
>test drive then, everything was going so great i would have driven it to
>florida i was soo excited. Threw my plates from my other 77 F-150 on it
>and drove it about 10 miles back to the original owners house, it was
>now about 4 hours after I first left the guys yard with it. Got there
>and he came out and was almost as excitied as I was. Drove it home then
>as I didn't want to push my luck. It got real hot as I pulled into my
>driveway but already figured out that the thermostat was not opening and
>I hadn't driven far so it took alll the way back to my house to get
>warm.
> Got home and washed the truck and looked it over real well, heres some
>more info on it, its a longbed Explorer, blue with the white explorer
>stripes and badging, all four original mint shape Ford Motor Company
>hubcaps. Odometer reads 17,xxx miles and judging by the mint condition
>(although faded) of the seat and carpet and petals I would say it only
>has 17K original miles on it! I will go verify this with the previous
>owner tommorrow.
> Anyhow, if anyone is still reading this, thank you, I just had to vent
>and I figured some of you would be able to appreicate this truck as much
>as I am and feel my excitement! I will try to get my digital camera
>working tommorrwow and get some pics taken. I will post a link on the
>list tommorrow if I get it working. Hope this isn't too long of a post,
>it has some tips though to make it ligit like the aux tank,
>etc....right? :)
>
>WICoWbOy
>'71 Super Duty Carhauler, 390, 4v, C-6
>'75 F-250 4x4, 390, np435
>**********'77 F-150, 4x2, 300, # on the tree, MINT!!************
>'77 F-150 4x4, 460, C-6, Dana 60 f/r, 44" Boggers
>'93 Super Duty Car hauler
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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:33:41 EST
Subject: Re: Score!!!! New toy ends up being WAY too nice to

hey- I'll double your money on it!! :-)


I'm glad you shared that story with us. It's tales like that which keep us
interested in the hobby, right?

Nate

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:35:13 EDT
Subject: Re: "New" 1979 Crew Cab

It was no big deal....I was really not "Totally" Illegal. I was told by my
auto insurance that any new vehicle can be driven from where you purchase it
to home. This is a little known law (at least here in NJ) that would be
taken advantage of if it was widely known. You have to have insurance on the
"newly purchased" vehicle, but can use the plates off your current vehicle.
I don't know if this is true or not, but it worked for me this time. I took
the interior out of the crew cab yesterday (Saturday). There is no rust
whatsoever at all. I cannot believe the condition of this truck...it has
49,513 miles on it after I drove it to NJ. Upon removing the interior, I saw
a weird thing. The floor looks like it was cut with a plasma cutter when it
was new. FORD must have made a crew cab from a standard cab. Looks like
they cut the cab in half, added a filler plate (2 more doors & floor), and
added a one piece roof. It definatly is the original roof, and floor, thats
for sure. Does anybody know where I can get more detailed information on how
they made crew cabs in the 70's? Know of anyplace that has video's of the
1970's production lines of the F-series? That would be really cool. On a
side note.....The guys at work were saying "Squeal like a
pig....Sqeeealll....Squeeealll" Like in the movie Deliverance with Burt
Renolds. All I can say it that the people seem to be nicer "Down South" then
up here in the north. I think its all how your brought up.....Good
parents=good kids. Well....enough of my BS. Thanks Alot of listening!!!
Wayne Grabley

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From: "Freewheel" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: "New" 1979 Crew Cab
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:18:22 -0500

Well, here in Louisiana, if the police pull you over and you do not have
proof of insurance with you they can impound the truck right then, not to
mention if you do not have the vehicle reg with you and it does not match
the VIN. The bill of sale might get you some slack to keep them from
pressing theft charges, but you will lose the tags and the truck will stay
impounded until you can show a good registration.
In this state when you drop insurance you are required to turn in the tags
or get fined ~$60, this makes it hard to move newly purchased cars from
individuals.


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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 8:35 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: "New" 1979 Crew Cab


> It was no big deal....I was really not "Totally" Illegal. I was told by
my
> auto insurance that any new vehicle can be driven from where you purchase
it
> to home. This is a little known law (at least here in NJ) that would be
> taken advantage of if it was widely known. You have to have insurance on
the
> "newly purchased" vehicle, but can use the plates off your current
vehicle.
> I don't know if this is true or not, but it worked for me this time. I
took
> the interior out of the crew cab yesterday (Saturday). There is no rust
> whatsoever at all. I cannot believe the condition of this truck...it has
> 49,513 miles on it after I drove it to NJ. Upon removing the interior, I
saw
> a weird thing. The floor looks like it was cut with a plasma cutter when
it
> was new. FORD must have made a crew cab from a standard cab. Looks like
> they cut the cab in half, added a filler plate (2 more doors & floor), and
> added a one piece roof. It definatly is the original roof, and floor,
thats
> for sure. Does anybody know where I can get more detailed information on
how
> they made crew cabs in the 70's? Know of anyplace that has video's of the
> 1970's production lines of the F-series? That would be really cool. On
a
> side note.....The guys at work were saying "Squeal like a
> pig....Sqeeealll....Squeeealll" Like in the movie Deliverance with Burt
> Renolds. All I can say it that the people seem to be nicer "Down South"
then
> up here in the north. I think its all how your brought up.....Good
> parents=good kids. Well....enough of my BS. Thanks Alot of
listening!!!
> Wayne Grabley
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From: "Josh Assing" jassing.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:56:52 -0700
Subject: My Rear End Fried....

Today; I ran out of oil in my rear end and it got HOT.

How tough is it to remove the cover & assembly to replace the
gaskets & seals and maybe gears?

Any advice on rear end stuff is appriecated!

72 F100 4x4

Thanks & Cheers
-josh

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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: My Rear End Fried....
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:07:27 -0700

Hmmm...strange name for this type of problem.....

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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] My Rear End Fried....


> Today; I ran out of oil in my rear end and it got HOT.
>
> How tough is it to remove the cover & assembly to replace the
> gaskets & seals and maybe gears?
>
> Any advice on rear end stuff is appriecated!
>
> 72 F100 4x4
>
> Thanks & Cheers
> -josh
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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?

Bill,

I'll try to answer your questions, but first a couple
of warnings.

1. It will never pass any emissions test. My truck is
exempt since it is a '53.

2. 92 Octane or better is required, and then only if
you keep the total spark advance to less than 34
degrees. Initial advance is only a few degrees.

3. The heads require hardened valve seats to be able
to handle unleaded fuel.

4. You can only use a Mallory Distributor(that I know
of), since the intake manifold position will interfere
with most other distributors.

5. You have to install adapter plates to use the
351C-4V intake manifold with the 351C-4V heads since
they are farther apart. I used Weiand Adapter Plates,
and since they are for 2V engines the ports have to be
opened to match the 4V ports.

OK, now for your questions. The pistons are made by
Ohio piston and pin. I can't give you the # or $,
because the machine shop ordered them. There are
others on this list who may have that info. I used an
Edelbrock #2665 intake manifold. Note: you also need
351C-4V headers.

My heads were '71 Torino 351C-4V, don't get the 11:1
CR heads.

You can get a 4V manifold for the 400. Edelbrock #
2171 is a non-EGR that fits 2V heads. Edelbrock #3771
is EGR.

Check out the Hot Rod Magazine build up of the 400.
That motor may be more satisfactory and will definitly
be less expensive.

I can find those #'s if I dig for them, and I'll
answer any other questions you have by e-mail or via
this list.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

>Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:08:35 -0500
>From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Re: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?

>Just a couple of questions,

>What did you use for pistons? Who made em and How
>much?
>part numbers if you can. Which Edlebrock manifold
>Part #?
>What year 4V heads? Sorry for all the questions but
>my 400 is still in a basket awaiting assembly. It
>will go into a 1979 F150. I haven't had the heads
>done yet and was considering Aussie 2V because I did
>not think there was a manifold for the 4V - 400/351M
>combination. any help appreciated. Thanks

>Bill


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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:14:16 -0700

Ohio Piston & Pin in Indianapolis, IN. They don't sell direct to the public
but they have distributors nationwide. They can be reached at (800)
428-4591. P/N is 1282P. Cast, flat top with 2 VRs, C/H is 1.637 so they're
destroked .010. Available in std., .020, .030, .040,
.060. Jobber net is $16.71 a piece.


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


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