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61-79-list Digest Fri, 31 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 055

In This Issue:
The Muny Pit
Where's Pot-hole jumper?
79 f100 parting out
429 police interceptor engine
391 crank
Ford Swap Meet - (Large)
Stud Extractor (was: Seized Bolts)
Stud Extractor (was: Seized Bolts)
Re: Where's Pot-hole jumper?
Vendor and radiator info
Re: Windsor or Cleveland?
Re: Windsor or Cleveland?
400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?
Steering parts
Re: Steering parts
Re: Windsor or Cleveland?
Re: Windsor or Cleveland?
Re: Autos
c6 Transmission: after 6 rebuilt trannies..I got A WORKIN
Headers
"New" 1979 Crew Cab

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From: JefriHansn aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:10:47 EST
Subject: The Muny Pit

As I told everyone the other day while unsubscribing under
billybobjoehansen hotmail, I'm fixing to head out in the morning from Chicago
here to South West Missouri, and back in a week, back there in two more, and
then on to Chicago. Heading out to Menards tonight to get the fencing
supplies I'm suspose to take with me - didn't make it. Altenator self
destructed internally. It never ends. And I'm to drive thing thing 590
miles tomarrow?????? Guess better tonight then on the interstate - BUT,,,
what does tomarrow hold. Anybody in Chicago want to by an all new 79 F-150
4WD?? - It's all new 'cept the paint.

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From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Where's Pot-hole jumper?
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:24:47 -0500

Haven't seen Gary from MI on in awhile. He usually has plenty to say.
Is there a problem I haven't heard about?
"G"


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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:58:54 EST
Subject: 79 f100 parting out

i'm considering the purchase of a 79 f100 for parts, its almost too good to
part out
but i need the parts to go on the f250 4x4. i'm keeping all the good stuff,
the bed, doors, fenders, grille shell and grille. it has a 302 w/ automatic,
it seems to have all the smog controls still intact, it has air cond, power
steering and power disc brakes,
i won't need the tail gate and it is good, it supposedly needs carb work, but
otherwise runs good. the odometer reads 52k miles, but it may be 152k. if
anybody needs any of these parts let me know. the cab is practically rust
free.

i still have the 78 extended cab for parts too, it has a 351 m with all the
smog stuff, ac unit, power steering, disc brakes etc. this one belongs to a
friend.

thanks, jeff grant
griffin, ga

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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:08:39 EST
Subject: 429 police interceptor engine

for those of you that were interested in this engine, i still don't have it
at my house, but i am trading a 83 f250 4x4 rolling chassis for it, i thought
i wanted the engine to build, but i have other things going on and need the
cash, so i will sell it for the same price my buddy wanted for it, $650.00.
standard bore, cobra jet rods, forged pistons, D2OE-AB heads with ported
exhaust ports, guide plates, screw in studs, hardened pushrods, intake and
valve covers are gone. this is basically a 429 cobra jet bottom end (2 bolt
main) with the more streetable and desirable PI heads.

jeff grant

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:55:44 -0800
From: Steve home.com>
Subject: 391 crank

I am on the west coast and would like to locate a 391 std truck crank
Can anyone help???

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:07:33 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Ford Swap Meet - (Large)


Hey Folks!

Just a quick reminder that this Saturday & Sunday is the Columbus Spring
Swap in Columbus, Ohio. This ALL FORD Swap Meet & Car Coral is badged as
one of the largest all Ford events in the country. I have attended this
event for the last 4 years and I always walk away with a couple of arm
loads of good Truck Parts.

You can get all the details of the event at "WWW.SPRINGSWAP.COM"

Hope to see you there!

Dan Herrmann


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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:27:42 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
Subject: Stud Extractor (was: Seized Bolts)

To add to the seized bolt thread ...

I am currently trying to get a stuck exhaust manifold bolt out of the 170
engine in my Falcon. I actually carefully broke the manifold away using a
chisel, just leaving the one exposed bolt. Nothing has worked yet and the
bolt head has started to round.

There are only two pentrating oils that are recommended -- Kroil and PB
Blaster. Kroil, by Kano Labs, is nearly impossible to find. Not even the
industrial supply shops here in Philly knew what I was talking about, so
it's best to order directly from Kano Labs. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kanolabs.com or
(615) 833-4101, sorry I forget the 800 number. PB Blaster is available at
Pep Boys or most auto parts stores. It has worked well for me in the past
(except for this current bolt). WD-40 and Liquid Wrench aren't very
helpful, in my opinion.

I was also alerted to a specialty tool that might be very helpful -- STUD
EXTRACTOR. I am going to buy one today from the local Grainger. It is a
larget socket with a toothed cam. Used with a breaker bar, the harder you
turn, the more the cam tightens on the stud or bolt. From the advice I got
from people who have used one, it works very well. Problem is that you need
enough room to get it onto the bolt, and it usually requires *cutting off
the head of the bolt*. That's a scary thought, but it might save you more
headaches if you've tried everything else. Grainger's extractor has two
holes to accomodate larger studs, and is $35. Craftman's is smaller but is
only $25, part#4458.

I'll let everyone know how my efforts go using the Kroil and stud extractor.

-don

--
Don in Philadelphia, Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA
66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver)
61 Falcon Futura



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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 06:57:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: Stud Extractor (was: Seized Bolts)

i've done this on airplanes before and it isn't a scary as it
seams. usually just the head of a bolt will rust and weaken, if
the head is cut or ground off and the manifold removed you
should have a chunk of bolt shaft (i can't think of the proper
terminology) to either grab with vice grips or the special too
you mentioned.

thom b said something about 6 point sockets, and that is no
joke! i've learned the hard way of the value of 6 point
sockets.

have fun

It is a
> larget socket with a toothed cam. Used with a breaker bar, the
> harder you
> turn, the more the cam tightens on the stud or bolt. Problem
is
> it usually requires
> *cutting off
> the head of the bolt*.

=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:30 -0600
Subject: Re: Where's Pot-hole jumper?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Haven't seen Gary from MI on in awhile. He usually has plenty to say.
> Is there a problem I haven't heard about?
> "G"
Gary has unsubscribed for a while.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:31:03 -0700
From: "Richard Currit" state.wy.us>
Subject: Vendor and radiator info

Hey all. In my never ending search for more cooling in the 300 l6 in
the '72 F-100 I came across a vendor I had never heard of, they are
"Performance Radiator" out of Seattle (can be found at
performanceradiator.com). Has anybody had any experience with them?
The web site gives no details on construction and materials in the rads
so any input on quality of the rads and service would be greatly
appreciated.

Also, they list a 3 core for the 300, something I haven't been able to
find around here. However, it measures (the core) 19 1/4 x 26 3/8 x 1
7/8. This is quite a bit larger, especially wider, than the little
stock 2 core. However, there looks to be mount holes already in place
that will accomodate this but without the measurements of the actually
mount hole spacings in the radiator shroud its hard to tell. Has
anybody had any experience with this? Will it work? I'm in digest mode
so direct replies would be appreciated. Please and thanks.
High Plains Richard
'72 F-100

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:37:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Windsor or Cleveland?

Randy,

There are two ways to tell a 351C from a 351M. The
first is the 351M and all 'M' blocks have a raised
boss to the right of the distributor(facing motor), in
front of the intake manifold. On the 351C that boss is
much smaller. This is a good way to tell them apart if
you have both in front of you. If you don't have both
motors to look at, then use the second method. If runs
great it's a Cleveland. If it's a pig, it's a 351M.

There are also two versions of Clevelands, the 2V and
the 4V (V stands for Venturis). The 2V is prefered for
truck engines, but the 4V is a C**** killer.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>From: GMontgo930 aol.com
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:57:29 EST
>Subject: Re: Windsor or Cleveland?

>Randy

>I don't believe a 351 is a stock engine for a '74 so
>that could leave you wide open. And their are 3
>different 351s to boot also (the Windsor, Cleveland,
>and modified). It's easy to ID a Windsor. Look at the
>front of the manifold. If the upper radiator hose
>connects to the thermostat housing on the manifold,
>it's a Windsor. If the thermostat housing is on the
>passenger front of the block in front of the
manifold, >it's a Cleveland or modified.
>Both of these use basically the same block but have
>different deck heights.
>Im not familiar with the specific differences other
>than the intake manifold is wider on the M 'cause of
>the blocks higher deck.

>As for parts availability, the Windsor probably has a
>bigger following since it's used in trucks till
>recently. The M blocks stooped in the early '80s and
>Im not sure about the Cleveland.

>Im sure others can help out with the diffs between
the >C and the M. Just tossing in what little help I
can!

> George M in Fl.

>'79 Bronco - 400 & C6
>a bunch of newer stuff - The wife likes em, but they
>don't compare!


>In a message dated 3/30/2000 7:25:41 PM Eastern
>Standard Time,
>Randolph.Howard PSS.Boeing.com writes:

> Howdy,
> I am new to the list so please excuse if this is an
>old topic. A friend wants to sell me a fixer 1974
>F-100 short bed with a 351 engine. What type of 351
is >this likely to be, Windsor or Cleveland? Which is
a >better motor?
> Anything in particular to be aware of when examining
>this truck?
>Thanks.
>
> Randy Howard
>



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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:06:43 -0600
Subject: Re: Windsor or Cleveland?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> If runs
> great it's a Cleveland. If it's a pig, it's a 351M.

I guess I have a pig in sheep's clothing. Oink, oink. The 351M suffers from
SDS (smogged down syndrome). I hope you got a 351C instead.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:23:26 EST
Subject: 400C Question: Was Windsor or Cleveland?

In a message dated 03/31/2000 11:38:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
danlee_58 yahoo.com writes:

<< Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V >>

Hey Dan !
I have been wondering about your 400C. Is it your own design of a
351Cleveland or am I missing something? Just wondering what you did to get
400 cubic inches in a Cleveland block.

Rollie H.
King N.C.
1976 F100 Explorer , 428 (391FT)
1972 Gran Torino Sport, 351Cleveland 2V (under construction)

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:44:06 -0500 (EST)
From: younkers auracom.com (R)
Subject: Steering parts

I'm looking to solve the problem of my chronically loose steering on my 1978
F-150 step side 4X4. Last spring I replaced the drag link and both the long
and short tie rods and the steering damper. This obviously made a huge
difference. Now it's time to tighten up the column. I'm sure a lot of you
are more familiar with this problem than I am. I'm not sure what the proper
name for the part I am looking for would be. On this system, there is a
u-joint close to the firewall and another kind of connection closer to the
steering box. The second one is what I am after. It's sort of like a pin
in a yoke deal. This obviously isn't a good description but I hope some of
you Lords of the F series will know what I mean. I can't get the part up
here (Nova Scotia), expcept perhaps through Ford (and you know what that
means $$$) and was hoping someone might know of an aftermarket parts place I
might find one. A friend at the local UAP/NAPA said he couldn't get them,
but that perhaps larger markets in Canada (ie. southern Ontario) and places
in the states likely did. Anyway to make a long story short (obvious too
late for that), does anyone know where I can get one of these at a
reasonable price?

Thanks

Robert Younker
Bonkrr
Proud Owner
1978 F-150 Step Side 4X4 (156,000km) plate - NTFRGLE
1995 SHO Taurus (134,000km)
1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (249,000 km) plate - PWRBY4D


Over 500,000 kilometres of Power By FORD


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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:30:14 -0500
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Re: Steering parts

Ok ok ok!!!

You guys have all talked me into it!!!

I'll write up a tech article on how to fix the upper steering shaft universal
with those spicer parts that I used so long ago. I'll have it for you guys
this weekend. 8-) (if somebody wants to repost my message about how to fix
it that would be great in the meantime as I'm at work and don't have it handy)

Thanks

Tony Marino


R wrote:

> I'm looking to solve the problem of my chronically loose steering on my 1978
> F-150 step side 4X4. Last spring I replaced the drag link and both the long
> and short tie rods and the steering damper. This obviously made a huge
> difference. Now it's time to tighten up the column. I'm sure a lot of you
> are more familiar with this problem than I am. I'm not sure what the proper
> name for the part I am looking for would be. On this system, there is a
> u-joint close to the firewall and another kind of connection closer to the
> steering box. The second one is what I am after. It's sort of like a pin
> in a yoke deal. This obviously isn't a good description but I hope some of
> you Lords of the F series will know what I mean. I can't get the part up
> here (Nova Scotia), expcept perhaps through Ford (and you know what that
> means $$$) and was hoping someone might know of an aftermarket parts place I
> might find one. A friend at the local UAP/NAPA said he couldn't get them,
> but that perhaps larger markets in Canada (ie. southern Ontario) and places
> in the states likely did. Anyway to make a long story short (obvious too
> late for that), does anyone know where I can get one of these at a
> reasonable price?
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert Younker
> Bonkrr
> Proud Owner
> 1978 F-150 Step Side 4X4 (156,000km) plate - NTFRGLE
> 1995 SHO Taurus (134,000km)
> 1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (249,000 km) plate - PWRBY4D
>
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:31:12 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Windsor or Cleveland?

Thanks for your message at 08:37 AM 3/31/00 -0800, Dan Lee. Your message was:
>Randy,
If runs
>great it's a Cleveland. If it's a pig, it's a 351M.

Well, said...


>There are also two versions of Clevelands, the 2V and
>the 4V (V stands for Venturis). The 2V is prefered for
>truck engines, but the 4V is a C**** killer.

The 2V version can hold its own (plus) also...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:35:54 EST
Subject: Re: Windsor or Cleveland?

In a message dated 3/31/00 10:32:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dpearson ctc.edu writes:

<< There are also two versions of Clevelands, the 2V and
>the 4V (V stands for Venturis). The 2V is prefered for
>truck engines, but the 4V is a C**** killer.

The 2V version can hold its own (plus) also...
>>

Oh yeah it can, buddy has a 2v 351c in his Stang, Thing gets up and moves,
faster than my 460! and hes still runnin a motorcraft 2bbl, and points! Im
waitin for him to start workin on his Cuda again, so I can buy that thing.
Its a Sleeper!

Darrell & Tweety

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From: ballingrbootheel.net
Subject: Re: Autos
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:50:50 -0600

We have Allison autos in most of our large trucks.I personally don't
> care for them .Always "hunting "for gears and shifting at the wrong
> time.

On the OTR stuff, it may take a while to get the autos to where give
acceptable performance. The biggest problem I've seen is fuel mileage.
Most manual equipped tractors these days can do 7.5 mpg, the autos I've seen
reported can only do about 7. To an industry driven by cost per mile, 1/2
mile per gallon multiplied by say 30 tractors will blow you out over a years
time.

We had two Ottawa yard dogs with Allisons that did nothing all day but
shuttle mostly loaded semi-trailers between docks for 16 hours a day. I
would have hated to have a manual for that job.

Autos have their place, but as of yet there are places it will take a while
for them to gain acceptance.


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From: "Matthew Schwartz" fast.net>
Subject: c6 Transmission: after 6 rebuilt trannies..I got A WORKIN
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:42:35 -0500

I wrote to this forum some time ago...months...about a rebuilt c6 that
burned fluid after 60 miles or so. I had to go to the shop many times with
much frustration. This is just to say thanks to those that wrote me on my
problem. I was forced to tell the tranny place to pay 100% refund or buy a
Jasper tranny for me. It was a nightmare period with legal court dates, etc.

So after a good 7 months of transmission problems and multiple trips back to
the tranny shop The Jasper C6 is running smoothly and I am getting good use
out of that so called simple "Winter project". Thanks

Matt


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From: "John Webster" primeline.net>
Subject: Headers
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:27:33 -0500

Hi Folks,
Well the mighty beast ('77 F150 4X4 460) or money pit is the proud owner
of a B&M Light Truck Mega Shifter. The so called simple install was a large
two day pain in the a#$, but it shifts nice!!!!
Anyway, I've written in before with my self proclaimed do's and don'ts
(Read as: Learn from my mistakes, it's cheaper). While under the truck I was
thinking about the headers I need to make. I've tried just about every brand
and style but '77 was a year Ford went a little squirrely and nothing fits
mine. Anyway to help speed up assembling my own I was thinking that if I
used flexible cardboard tubing the same size and shapes as standard pipe and
I filled them with expanding foam that this would allow me to mock up each
side. I could thus ensure everything fits first and play around with the
right length and when happy then put the stick to the real thing. So what
does everyone think? Does it seem a sound idea or did I hit my head on the
tranny to hard? Thanks for your input.

John
'77 F150 4X4
460/C6/4:11's/33's
And squeeze by the summer!!!


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From: FORDTRKNUTaol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:48:07 EST
Subject: "New" 1979 Crew Cab

Well....I just got back from New Orleans with my "New" 1979 F-350 Crew Cab
2WD. I flew from Newark Airport in New Jersey to New Orleans Airport in
Louisiana on Thusday. At $89.00 for the plane ticket...I had to buy the
truck. I arrived at 2:10 (supposed to get in at 1:32...late like always) in
New Orleans. The guy (Thanks Dennis!!!) picked me up at the airport, and we
went to check the truck out. I am amazed how well the Southern trucks hold
up. Theres a little rust were the camper sat on the top of the bed
rails....but other than that it looks good. I liked what I saw, so we went
to the Notary to switch the title into my name. I brought my licence plates
with me, slapped them on and drove home (it is a "little" illegal, but I did
not get caught). I did not look forward to the drive...thats for sure. It
was about 1,315 miles home, at least thats what my mapping program said. I
guess I left from New Orleans at 4:00pm and stopped for a few hours top sleep
at 11:00pm in Gadsden, Alabama. I got back on the road at 6:30am and made it
home at 10:15pm.......THATS 15-3/4 HOURS of Driving in one shot!!! A grand
total of 22-3/4 hours of driving. I cannot believe that I am still awake!!
I guess Pepsi, Beef Jerky, and Tick-Tacs kept me going. The truck has a
400M, 435 Transmission (2wd), and a Dana 70 rear with 3:73 gearing, & Dual
Gas Tanks. I spent alot of cash on gas....did not get reciepts, but could be
close to $210.00. I did find out a few things on the trip (at least from
what I saw): 1. "Down South" Every Pickup has dual exhaust with cherry bombs
or Flowmasters 2. Alabama is Chevy Country 3. Virginia is Ford Country
4. I Speak Funny (at least thats what the people behind the gas pumps say)
Haha!!! 5. Every state has a speed limit of 70 (except my state..Freakin
New Jersey!!) "The First time I let off the gas was on root 81 into New
Jersey". I will recover tonight and check out my new "Baby" tommorrow.
Well....Thats My Story & I Am Sticking To It!!!! Wayne

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