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61-79-list Digest Tue, 28 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 053

In This Issue:
Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Power Brake Conversion
Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA
Tow Dolly
Re: low oil pressure
Re: Parts
3/4 ton Camper on a 1/2 ton truck
Re: man vs auto II
Re: Parts
Re: Parts
Re: Power Brake Conversion
Gotta go
Re: man vs auto
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Re: Parts
Re: Gotta go
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
C6 with torque converter for tow vehicles?
Re: man vs auto
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Re: 72 sport custom
TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Re: 72 sport custom
Hard to fill up
Re: Hard to fill up
1975 F100 4x4

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From: "InkDezJim" email.msn.com>
Subject: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:29:37 -0600

Okay, I have a question I am pondering on which I would like the feedback of
the list.
Redoing the 69 F-100 2wd I am putting in a new 390 engine, with headers. In
addition I am removing the in-cab tank, and using a Ford saddle factor
"saddle" tank that mounts between the driver's side frame rail and the drive
shaft. It runs from just about the end of the C-6 to the front of the rear
springs.
This presents a problem in plumbing the headers. Either I have to run from
the collector down and under the tank on the driver's side (low-hanging) or
run across as far forward as practical, then from there, either take it back
to duals (crossing back over or running right alongside one another) or run
both headers into a single exhaust, quite probably a 3-inch.
I would solicit all opinions, comments and suggestions on the possible
approaches.

Jim Elliott
Nashville,
69 F-100




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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:42:14 -0800
From: Tim Bowman uswest.net>
Subject: Power Brake Conversion

I know this question has been answered before, so forgive me for asking
it again. If I want to change from manual to power brakes on a '68 F100
Ranger, is all I have to swap is the booster and master cylinder and
brake rod to the pedal? Or is there more? I believe 67-72 will fit,
could someone confirm that also? Thanks for the help.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net



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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:59:00 EST
Subject: Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA

i saw the strange bed again today, here in georgia, it is unusual. i thought
the fender badge said f250, but who knows maybe it was changed at some point.
the right side of this bed had a storage compartment, much larger than the
factory
bed tool box, just guessing the compartment looked to be 18-24" x36-40" long.

jeff grant

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:56:34 -0500
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Tow Dolly

Does anybody out there have or know someone that has a two wheel tow dolly
that might want to sale? Getting tired of always having to use a large
trailer to move things around. I'm in Kentucky, willing to travel two or
three states to pick up. Thanks.

stoney


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: low oil pressure
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:32:14 -0500

I would check the oil sending unit first.The hole inside may be half
plugged.Once the oil warms up it flows into it better,possibly giving you
better oil pressure.
-----Original Message-----
From: L7514 aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 6:03 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] low oil pressure


>hen I start up the engine on my 77 f100 (400 engine) the oil pressure gage
>reads about half. By the time the motor heats up the pressure has dropped
>as low as the gage will go and stays there while I'm driving. Should I be
>worried and what can I do besides bring it to my mechanic???
>
>
>Lance writes:
>
> I have a similar problem with my 300 I-6. Except mine is very low on
>start-up & takes a while to build pressure. Once the engine has been
running
>for approx. 30-40 seconds, it seems to be fine, especially after it has
>warmed up. I'm scared that I'm causing alot of excess wear during engine
>start ( besides the usual) & am wondering if I need to replace the oil
pump,
>or look at something else. It has only been doing it now for a few
months.
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
>
>Lance
>1974 F-100 custom 300 I-6
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Parts
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:36:41 -0500

GO WEST !!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve home.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:44 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Parts


>I have a 71 F250 Camper Special. I need a hood, a grill, a tailgate and
>trim items as well as interior stuff. Where is the place to go for this
>stuff???
>Thank you for any help...I am new
>
>Steve
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From: "Carver" ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: 3/4 ton Camper on a 1/2 ton truck
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:35:17 -0800

What can I say, but it's FORD tough! and nobody ever checked the GVW.

Really, this is the history of my truck. Left the factory as a
long bed 1/2 ton F100. Some coach house turned it into a CrewCab
at the reque of some rich guy in Sacramento. A year later dad
bought it from him (I was 10), and I have it now. With only a
couple of garbage cans (~100 lbs) in the back we weigh in at 4800
pounds. The sticker on the door says 5000 GVW. Dad had a camper
specially built for the truck with a crewcab length overhang and
an 8 foot main section. The bed is only 5 1/2 feet long! The
camper weighed 3/4 tons without any of the 6 of us who would go
camping in it plus camping gear, food, dog, etc.

Overload springs were added to get it close to level and manageable.

Any wonder why I had to replace the springs and bushings last year!

One of these days I'll dig up a photo of the rig. Wish dad had
kept the camper, but he sold it a long time ago.

What can I say, we never looked at the GVW rating! Oh to be
younger and ignorant . . . . I even remember bringing home a yard
of sand one time. Anyone know how much that weighs? I figured
that if it would fit in the bed, the truck could carry it. It did.
Amazing it survived at all, let alone in the good condition it's in.

Time for a restoration, or close to it anyway, it deserves it.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

-- -- -- -- -- --
> Though I personally prefer manual transmission,
> it's hard to argue with the history of the Ford-O-Matic
> that's in my '64 F100 CrewCab, remember a half ton truck
> with an added cab's weight also.
>
> It carried a 3/4 ton camper for many years, drove all
> over the Rockies and southwest, and during that time
> (1) one, quart of fluid was added.

I'm confused here. How can you put a 3/4 ton camper on a 1/2 ton truck.
That totals up to 1/4 ton over the maximum gross vehicle weight, doesn't
it?

I need to know about this because I plan to put a camper of some kind on
the back of my F-100. Max wt 5000 lbs.

------------------------------

From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: man vs auto II
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:05:54 -0800

One place that you'll keep going with an auto is in the mud when you
find that you're in need of another gear and the second you break power
you're stopped and the second is going up a major hill with fair to poor
traction and finding that you need a higher gear or even a lower gear. The
second that power delivery is broken to the rear wheels, I've found it
impossible to re-connect the power without starting to spin. Auto's with the
torque converters keep the power on, even during the shift.
My hunting partner has well over the million miles in an 18 wheeler and
shifting is a religion to him and even he acknowledges that there are places
that an auto can play that standards have a really hard time of it. I really
like auto's when I'm doing a 3 to 5 point turn on a narrow road in the
middle of nowhere with major slope to contend with, traction problems and
possible lift threatening consequences if I blow it getting turned around.
It's so nice to back up right to the absolute limit, put the brakes on,
shift the auto, wait for the little shift that tells me power is connected,
that there won't be 1" of rollback and driving away. I never was perfect at
this with a standard, in fact I was never even really good at it.
Love 'em all and gotta love this list!!!
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.



From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
I don't see where you could go any farther with a manual than
an automatic in the woods. I think that boils down to more driver
experience
than transmission choice.
Jason





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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:54:41 -0800
From: Steve home.com>
Subject: Re: Parts

I am in San Diego.....I can't go any further west??????

Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>
> GO WEST !!!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve home.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:44 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Parts
>
> >I have a 71 F250 Camper Special. I need a hood, a grill, a tailgate and
> >trim items as well as interior stuff. Where is the place to go for this
> >stuff???
> >Thank you for any help...I am new
> >
> >Steve
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:55:49 -0800
From: Steve home.com>
Subject: Re: Parts

THANK YOU!!!!!!
I am in Oceanside.
I will come to your business!!!
Where are you located???

Keith Kubiak wrote:
>
> I recently parted out a 68 F250. The grill isn't the same but the tailgate
> should be. It's a plain Jane tailgate without any chrome trim (Probably not
> what came with a Camper Special package). I also have various interior
> parts, let me know what you are looking for. I have seen plenty of 67-72
> Ford trucks in the junk yards here in San Diego. Other places to get parts
> are http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obsoletefordparts.com and
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.longmotor.com/fordcats.html . There are other parts sources and
> I'm sure you will find some great info at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ford-trucks.com/
>
> Keith
> 68 Ford F250 4x4
> 55 Ford F100
> 64 IH Scout
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve" home.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:36 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Parts
>
> > I have a 71 F250 Camper Special. I need a hood, a grill, a tailgate and
> > trim items as well as interior stuff. Where is the place to go for this
> > stuff???
> > Thank you for any help...I am new
> >
> > Steve
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:48:27 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: Power Brake Conversion

You need to change all the parts you listed and the brake pedal itself if
the point that the rod connects to the power brake pedal is higher or lower
than the one you have now.

I did the same conversion for a 77 pinto and found that because the rod
contact point is in a different place the amount of pressure you apply and
brake feel will be way off. As an example i could touch my brakes and send
the old pinto into a lockup without feeling anything.

I found that the brake booster for a 74 F-250 4x4 was the same as the one in
the 68 2wd F-250's. I found it wasn't quite enough in the 4x4 so i used the
booster and it's bracket from a 75 F-100 (it was a bigger booster) an got a
much better response from the old drum brakes.


Tim Bowman wrote:

> I know this question has been answered before, so forgive me for asking
> it again. If I want to change from manual to power brakes on a '68 F100
> Ranger, is all I have to swap is the booster and master cylinder and
> brake rod to the pedal? Or is there more? I believe 67-72 will fit,
> could someone confirm that also? Thanks for the help.
>
> --
> Tim Bowman
> Burien, WA
> tkbowman uswest.net
>
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From: "Jeffery Hansen" hotmail.com>
Subject: Gotta go
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:49:03 -0600

Will, lights out, the party's over, and I'm sure somewhere somebody got
the fat lady singing after the party. Being in the Navy is like being a
drifter and it's time I drift out of Chicago here and go back where I
belong - south of the Mason-dixie line and back out on the big pond out
east. Will be unsubscribing under this email addresses for now - the other
soon - and don't know if I'll be able to get this post on the ship - it has
email - but it's kinda complicated with the ship's email address being the
'sent to' and my personal ship email address in the "cc' line. even at
that - can't get file attachments.
I want to thank all you who've tried to help me with "The Money Pit" -
my 79 F-150 4WD with the '69 429 and NP435/NP205 clunker boxes. Was up to
midnight last night working on it again - getting real nervous - have to
drive it from Chicago here to Missouri Friday - back a week latter, then a
week after that back to Missouri towing my 86 T-bird, then from there to
Norfolk VA. Pretty stressed about this concidering can't even start it and
drive to the base - 1 mile - without something falling off or breaking.
Had the holes drilled in the butterflys last week in the Holley 600 -
made no difference - still had to have them open quite a bit just to idle.
Started stumbling off idle and knocking real bad too off idle. Threw it in
the trash last night - went and bought an edlebrock 1406 - 600 cfm. I know
some suggested stepping up to a 750 - but using Holley's figures on thier
web site shows the 600 should be more then enough. Have to get a pressure
reg now. Put one on the holley here while back after it was rebuilt - set
it to 5.5 as Ray Dixon said - wouldn't run longer the 15 seconds - cranked
it up all the way to 9 - still wouldn't run. Also when at the parts store -
asked for a pvc valve for the engine - got the same huge 1/2 hole valve - so
said let's try one from - say a 85 460. Yeah - 3/8 hole. Got it - gonna
try it now. We'll see. Now, I've got to go finish checking out and find
all my tools, jacks, jack stands, spare parts,,, together for a trip.
Jeffery A. Hansen, HMC(SW/AW/FMF) USN
Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:02:31 -0600
Subject: Re: man vs auto
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I have owned non-Ford automatics, and hate every one of them, the worst
> of them was a S-10 Blazer, with a 2.8L AT 4WD, what a piece of work that
> turned out to be.

Well, I wasn't going to mention the general, but he built the absolute worst
automatics in the early 80s and most of them were in trucks. The
electronically controlled ODs were OK if you kept the oil changed and the
filter clean, but the vacuum controlled ODs had a 100% failure rate. they
typically lasted for about 20k. Anyone who owns (owned) one of these trucks
from 1982 to 1986 models has had the transmission replaced or else disposed
of the truck at the right time.

Speaking of which, autos do require more care than a manual. You have to
check the fluid level and you have to change the fluid and filter regularly.

>So we disposed of it after a year of ownership, traded in on a '94 SHO, we're
>much happier now...

What a surprise. :-)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:12:10 -0600
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> This presents a problem in plumbing the headers. Either I have to run from
> the collector down and under the tank on the driver's side (low-hanging) or
> run across as far forward as practical, then from there, either take it back
> to duals (crossing back over or running right alongside one another) or run
> both headers into a single exhaust, quite probably a 3-inch.
> I would solicit all opinions, comments and suggestions on the possible
> approaches.
>
> Jim Elliott

Jim,

This is a common problem for this type of tank, which a lot of us have. The
"off road kits" for dual exhausts run the driver's side pipe under the drive
train then down the right side of the drive shaft between the ds and frame
along with the right side pipe. Then it crosses back over behind the diff.
This makes for a very long left side pipe and an unbalanced situation IMHO.
I have also seen rigs that had the left side pipe run on the outside of the
left frame rail. I don't care for that either. So, I stuck with the stock
setup (351m) and then opted for a high flow dual outlet muffler. From the
outside it looks like duals; for the smog cops it's still legal.

Sidepipes? Stacks behind the cab? (It's a joke.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

------------------------------

From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Parts
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:16:09 -0800

I'm in San Diego. Also I'm not a business just a Ford Truck Enthusiast,
I'll contact you offline with my number and address.

Keith
68 Ford F250 4x4
55 Ford F100
64 IH Scout

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" home.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Parts


> THANK YOU!!!!!!
> I am in Oceanside.
> I will come to your business!!!
> Where are you located???
>
> Keith Kubiak wrote:
> >
> > I recently parted out a 68 F250. The grill isn't the same but the
tailgate
> > should be. It's a plain Jane tailgate without any chrome trim (Probably
not
> > what came with a Camper Special package). I also have various interior
> > parts, let me know what you are looking for. I have seen plenty of
67-72
> > Ford trucks in the junk yards here in San Diego. Other places to get
parts
> > are http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obsoletefordparts.com and
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.longmotor.com/fordcats.html . There are other parts sources
and
> > I'm sure you will find some great info at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ford-trucks.com/
> >
> > Keith
> > 68 Ford F250 4x4
> > 55 Ford F100
> > 64 IH Scout
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve" home.com>
> > To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:36 PM
> > Subject: [61-79-list] Parts
> >
> > > I have a 71 F250 Camper Special. I need a hood, a grill, a tailgate
and
> > > trim items as well as interior stuff. Where is the place to go for
this
> > > stuff???
> > > Thank you for any help...I am new
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > ==========================================================
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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Gotta go
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:29:14 -0800

Good luck....I know the feeling well!

ETC(SW) Keith Kubiak (4 months till retirement)

68 Ford F250 4x4
55 Ford F100
64 IH Scout

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffery Hansen" hotmail.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:49 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Gotta go


> Will, lights out, the party's over, and I'm sure somewhere somebody
got
> the fat lady singing after the party. Being in the Navy is like being a
> drifter and it's time I drift out of Chicago here and go back where I
> belong - south of the Mason-dixie line and back out on the big pond out
> east. Will be unsubscribing under this email addresses for now - the
other
> soon - and don't know if I'll be able to get this post on the ship - it
has
> email - but it's kinda complicated with the ship's email address being the
> 'sent to' and my personal ship email address in the "cc' line. even at
> that - can't get file attachments.
> I want to thank all you who've tried to help me with "The Money Pit" -
> my 79 F-150 4WD with the '69 429 and NP435/NP205 clunker boxes. Was up to
> midnight last night working on it again - getting real nervous - have to
> drive it from Chicago here to Missouri Friday - back a week latter, then a
> week after that back to Missouri towing my 86 T-bird, then from there to
> Norfolk VA. Pretty stressed about this concidering can't even start it
and
> drive to the base - 1 mile - without something falling off or breaking.
> Had the holes drilled in the butterflys last week in the Holley 600 -
> made no difference - still had to have them open quite a bit just to idle.
> Started stumbling off idle and knocking real bad too off idle. Threw it
in
> the trash last night - went and bought an edlebrock 1406 - 600 cfm. I
know
> some suggested stepping up to a 750 - but using Holley's figures on thier
> web site shows the 600 should be more then enough. Have to get a pressure
> reg now. Put one on the holley here while back after it was rebuilt - set
> it to 5.5 as Ray Dixon said - wouldn't run longer the 15 seconds - cranked
> it up all the way to 9 - still wouldn't run. Also when at the parts
store -
> asked for a pvc valve for the engine - got the same huge 1/2 hole valve -
so
> said let's try one from - say a 85 460. Yeah - 3/8 hole. Got it - gonna
> try it now. We'll see. Now, I've got to go finish checking out and find
> all my tools, jacks, jack stands, spare parts,,, together for a trip.
> Jeffery A. Hansen, HMC(SW/AW/FMF) USN
> Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman
> ==========================================================
> To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
> message.
>


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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:53:05 -0700
From: William Whited ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?

I know on my 77 F150 460 I have duals with the same tank setup. I plan on
headers later but now the pipes run down the right side of the body.

William Whited
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso TX
Semper Fi



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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:51:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?

>This presents a problem in plumbing the headers. Either I have to run from
>the collector down and under the tank on the driver's side (low-hanging) or

>run across as far forward as practical, then from there, either take it back

>to duals (crossing back over or running right alongside one another) or run

>both headers into a single exhaust, quite probably a 3-inch.

Jim, those of us with 4x4's know exactly where you're comin from. Mark up in
Washington has run a pretty cool system that does the dual in single out muffler
thing on the pass. side of things. That's on his homepage and such :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/SandersonHeaders.html

The way my exhaust is currently run is similar to how you and John have talked
about, where it runs over to the pass. side, then behind the obstruction (xfer
case in my case, gas tank in yours) then across again to the driver's side ...
it does make for a lower note and an interesting noise ...

I think my next attempt at an exhaust will be the Lightning style exhaust where
they run it to the passenger's side and then run them one on top of the other
and exit out the right side ... looks just like the singles that split at the
end like the late model trucks run, but is actually duals ... its a pretty cool
system, though I don't have any pics or idea how well it works (since they're
short beds and all).

I do have some mpg's of my truck running if you're interested let me know.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:07:33 -0800
From: "James A. Doty" home.com>
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?

Hi:

My van has an auxiliry tank so when we installed headers we went with pipes
running into one
muffler with a 3" exhaust. It worked out pretty well, sounds nice, and performs
well also.


> the collector down and under the tank on the driver's side (low-hanging) or
> run across as far forward as practical, then from there, either take it back
> to duals (crossing back over or running right alongside one another) or run
> both headers into a single exhaust, quite probably a 3-inch.
> I would solicit all opinions, comments and suggestions on the possible
> approaches.

James A. Doty



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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:19:34 -0800
From: "Dr. Wayne Stromberg" mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: C6 with torque converter for tow vehicles?

I'm thinking about buying a '78 or '79 Econoline 250 or 350 with C6
transmission, for towing a 9000 lb. load. I have heard a lot about the
possibility of equipping a tow vehicle with a torque converter designed for
towing big loads. Anyone have any experience? Would the expense be
justified? Thanks for any information.

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:34:23 -0800



> I have owned non-Ford automatics, and hate every one of
> them, the worst
> of them was a S-10 Blazer, with a 2.8L AT 4WD, what a piece
> of work that
> turned out to be. It didn't have enough power to get out of
> it's own way,
> never mind anyone elses.

Reminds me of a story a crusty old farmer friend of mine told me. He once
had a non-ford 4X4 pickup for a farm truck. Traded it in to the dealer he
bought it from after having it for a few years. Later he was on the lot and
the salesman was trying to sell his old truck to some kid. The salesman
asked the farmer for an endorsement of the truck. The farmer drawled "Well,
it was an ok truck but didn't have enough power to pull a greased string out
of a calf's (south end)". ;0)

Tom H

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:34:26 -0800

Consider this. In the 70's Ford offered the 460 with an exhaust that was
dual back to the muffler and single after the muffler out the back. The
driver's side crossed over under the trans (near the converter I think).
I'm thinking about doing this on my 390 equipped 76. This is the problem
with the AUX tank placement. Granted it's better than the general's
fireball saddle tank setup, but it interferes with installing true duals on
trucks with an aux tank.

Tom H

>
> Okay, I have a question I am pondering on which I would like
> the feedback of
> the list.
> Redoing the 69 F-100 2wd I am putting in a new 390 engine,
> with headers. In
> addition I am removing the in-cab tank, and using a Ford saddle factor
> "saddle" tank that mounts between the driver's side frame
> rail and the drive
> shaft. It runs from just about the end of the C-6 to the
> front of the rear
> springs.
> This presents a problem in plumbing the headers. Either I
> have to run from
> the collector down and under the tank on the driver's side
> (low-hanging) or
> run across as far forward as practical, then from there,
> either take it back
> to duals (crossing back over or running right alongside one
> another) or run
> both headers into a single exhaust, quite probably a 3-inch.
> I would solicit all opinions, comments and suggestions on the possible
> approaches.
>
> Jim Elliott
> Nashville,
> 69 F-100
>
>


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 72 sport custom
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:34:24 -0800


>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope I'm doing this right. I've loved old fords since I
> was a little kid, but just got serious after picking up a 72
> sport custom yesterday. I was hoping to find others who have
> similar trucks to tell me a little about mine. Mine has a
> 302/auto/air/ps/pb/2WD and a lot of trim. Can anyone tell me
> if this set up is good, bad, indifferent, etc??? My day job
> is as a house appraiser, so if anyone can help me with my
> pickup, I'd be happy to answer any questions about home values.
>
> Yours,
> Chris
>

Chris,
Welcome and congratulations on the purchase of the truck. Before I can say
anything about it I have to ask: What is your application? For a daily
commute truck you probably couldn't do better. I'm guessing it is probably
an F-100. Should get decent fuel economy and carry anything you need for
your job.

If you want to do some serious full time heavy hauling then it will probably
come up short. Not to say that you can't lean on it heavily but if you do
constantly you would be happier with a heavier truck.

As far as replacement parts go they are still readily available. The 302
was a very popular motor and was in everyting from cars to trucks.

Good luck
Tom

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:15:05 EST
Subject: TRUCK PICTURES......

Hey y'all! Well, after finally finding a photographer to take my senior pics,
something really cool happened. He wants to take pics of my truck charge> for hid portfolio. AWESOME HUH? I'm gonna be famous.....well maybe
not famous but I can dream! LOL Anyways, I think I'm gonna pull it in a big
field of mustard plants, that'll look cool. Anyways, I'll get them on here
ASAP! Too bad I couldn't find a roll bar sooner! =(

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys......truks are for girls!~*~*

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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:29:16 -0800

speaking of truck pictures . . .

i don't always have a whole lot to contribute to the list but i love reading
everything that comes across . . . i am in the process of putting together a
website for my truck . . . it's at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck .
. . let me know what you all think . . . thanks!!






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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:46:02 -0600
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> . i am in the process of putting together a
> website for my truck . . . it's at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck .
> . . let me know what you all think . . . thanks!!

Nice site, Matt. Very nice truck.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:20:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......


looks good! is that licence plate for real??


=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

__________________________________________________
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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:10 EST
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......

Nice site Matt. The only suggestion I have is that you should add it to the
FTE Hot 100 site list. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck

The sites which are listed there have kinda been in a "ratings slump." It
would be nice to see some more traffic.

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee







> speaking of truck pictures . . .

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:14:05 EST
Subject: Re: Headers to Duals, or 3-inch single?

In a message dated 3/29/00 11:35:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:

<< The driver's side crossed over under the trans (near the converter I
think). >>

Thats exactly how it is on mine. IT crosses between the bell housing and the
pan.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:13:30 -0800

i just added this but it hasn't shown up yet . . . i guess i'll just wait
and see what happens . . .

-----Original Message-----
From: TBeeeeaol.com [mailto:TBeeeeaol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:48 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: TRUCK PICTURES......


Nice site Matt. The only suggestion I have is that you should add it to the

FTE Hot 100 site list. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck

The sites which are listed there have kinda been in a "ratings slump." It
would be nice to see some more traffic.

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee









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From: Matt Senn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:13:53 -0800

no, that's been edited . . . but wouldn't that be nice? :)

-----Original Message-----
From: D. DiMartino [mailto:grunonyahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:21 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: TRUCK PICTURES......



looks good! is that licence plate for real??


=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4




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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:16:00 EST
Subject: Re: TRUCK PICTURES......

Wow, congrats! I better get one, and youd better be in the truck, hat and
all!

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "ServiceMark" rcn.com>
Subject: Re: 72 sport custom
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:57:06 -0500

Thanks for the nice note. Believe it or not, I have a little Isuzu 4 banger
that is my "heavy duty" work truck. The old ford is just to relive a little
lost youth. I just got back from picking it up and hope to have some
digital photos tomorrow morning. Its overall in pretty good shape, but
there seem to be two sets of rear leaf springs with one set being connected
only at one end. Am I crazy or just ignorant?

Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Hogan, Tom kla-tencor.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 72 sport custom


>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I hope I'm doing this right. I've loved old fords since I
>> was a little kid, but just got serious after picking up a 72
>> sport custom yesterday. I was hoping to find others who have
>> similar trucks to tell me a little about mine. Mine has a
>> 302/auto/air/ps/pb/2WD and a lot of trim. Can anyone tell me
>> if this set up is good, bad, indifferent, etc??? My day job
>> is as a house appraiser, so if anyone can help me with my
>> pickup, I'd be happy to answer any questions about home values.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Chris
>>
>
>Chris,
>Welcome and congratulations on the purchase of the truck. Before I can say
>anything about it I have to ask: What is your application? For a daily
>commute truck you probably couldn't do better. I'm guessing it is probably
>an F-100. Should get decent fuel economy and carry anything you need for
>your job.
>
>If you want to do some serious full time heavy hauling then it will
probably
>come up short. Not to say that you can't lean on it heavily but if you do
>constantly you would be happier with a heavier truck.
>
>As far as replacement parts go they are still readily available. The 302
>was a very popular motor and was in everyting from cars to trucks.
>
>Good luck
>Tom
>==========================================================
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From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Hard to fill up
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:11:34 -0500

I once had an 80 F-250 4x4 that had dual tanks in box. It wouldn't fill fast
unless truck was at an angle with caps uphill. I found a station with a
rain drain to park truck at angle and could fill fast as I wanted. I believe
it had something to do with the vents, which had a seperate smaller hose
running alongside the filler hose. Sometimes hoses delaminate and swell-up
and plug or partially block their openings. I would check those first.
"G"


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From: Natp244cs.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:08:47 EST
Subject: Re: Hard to fill up

My truck fills fine, but here's a suggestion. My bass boat has very little
slope from the filler to the tank, not to mention the tilt of the trailer,
these two combined make filling the thing a nightmare. Gas sloshes back out
of the tube, even when the tank is near empty. I don't know why it works,
but if I turn the nozzle upside down so that the nozzle curves upwards, it
flows right in. I think that by doing it this way I am not pointing the flow
of gas into the side of the tube. It looks weird doing it, but it gets the
job done.

Nate 64

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From: "Tom Williams" megavision.com>
Subject: 1975 F100 4x4
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:16:05 -0600

HI All,
I am looking for some feedback on a 1975 F100 4x4. I looked at one
tonight that a local farmer bought new and is looking to sell. The truck has
a 390, automatic, power steering, brakes, no air.
The tranny, transfer case, tie rod ends and a few other drivetrain items
have been rebuilt in the last 35,000 miles and work very good. The motor is
on its last leg and would need a rebuild, but he has another 390 to go with
the truck that has a very good bottom end but needs new valves in the heads
replaced. The truck has solid floors but very rusty fenders and box and cab
corners. I have never restored a PU and do not know the price for
aftermarket fenders, or a rust free box?
I am looking for some prices for fenders? decent box? ect.... The truck also
has a newer battery, but will soon need tires.
I am going back to look at the truck tomorrow but would like some feedback
from the list on a truck like this.
The price is $600.00 for truck and extra motor.

Thanks for any feedback.


Tom



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