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61-79-list Digest Tue, 28 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 052

In This Issue:
Re: Auto Reliability
Tough to fill-up
: Re: man vs auto II
Re: man vs auto
FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Re: man vs auto
ADMIN: Nascar Craftsman Truck Series forum added
Re: Tough to fill-up
Re: 78 brake question
Re: Tough to fill-up
Re: man vs auto II
Re: Tough to fill-up
Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Re: man vs auto II
Re: Tough to fill-up
Re: man vs auto
Automatics
Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
mileage of 99 & 00 f250
Re: mileage of 99 & 00 f250
Re: : Re: man vs auto II
low oil pressure
Re: man vs auto
Re: man vs auto
Re: low oil pressure
Re: low oil pressure
Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Re: 67 Grill, 68 to 70 DOVE series heads.
83 mustang
Re: Tough to fill-up
Re: man vs auto
Parts
72 sport custom
Re: 72 sport custom
Re: Parts
"unsubscribe 61-79-list"
found: 78 bronco steering box

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:09:59 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Reliability

Now I'm not sure about the 5000 lbs gross weight. Whatever.

Denny

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From: "Steve Schaeffer" att.net>
Subject: Tough to fill-up
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:02:34 -0800

Hi All,
I'm sure this is an old thread, but on my '75 F-250 Supercab with twin
(18gal?) tanks, it is absolute hell filling up the tanks. I have to trickle
the gas in. The filler necks of both tanks are practically horizontal, so
it's no surprise that the gas backflushs out the nozzle opening.

Has this wonderful list come up with a sure-fire way to beat the gas tank
fill-up blues? I hate taking 10 minutes to trickle-feed my thirsty 460.
Where do I look for a cure?

Many thanks,

Steve S
Seattle, WA
'hello fellow PacNW FTE'ers!'
$1.73/regular at Texaco


------------------------------

From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: : Re: man vs auto II
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:26:03 -0800

I wasn't going to get involved in this last forever thread, that was until
the Foreign sporty car stuff. I've asked all the grey haired loggers that I
could talk to in this part of the BC coast about their preference and
y'know, not one of them wanted a 4-spd. in a 4X4 and it certainly wasn't
from lack of experience in driving 4 speeds. All of them told me matter of
factly that you could go places with an auto that you couldn't even go with
a 4 speed. Give me the auto anyday, I just love those glass smooth shifts in
the ugliest of places. And no! My trucks arn't Grand Tourismo models.
Tee-Hee
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.


. show me a1968 Ferrari GTO that came with an auto and i might change my
mind, but not likely.

=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4





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From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: Re: man vs auto
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:35:48 -0600

pulls his travel trailer with. I can see having a manual behind a Diesel.
Manuals work real well until you need to use the floor dimmer while the
clutch is depressed or you need to hold the brake and the gas and the clutch
because you got a bad tank of gas and the engine keeps dying. Then there are
the yoyos who kill it at every stop light or roll back into your grille.
Manuals have to outperform autos when you need a lot of gears close
together. Can you imagine a KW with an 18 speed auto?
>>>>>>

Actually, Volvo has an 8 speed auto that's starting to catch on, and
Meritor has developed a semi-auto shift mechanism like a tiptronic shifter
in a BMW. It's coming to a truck stop near you.

Both manual and auto trans have their virtues. An auto is obviously going
to be better in traffic, no doubt it gives you one less thing to fool with
while watching for middle aged women in mini-vans looking to take you to the
promised land (boy I'm gonna get it for that one :-o ) Towing is easier
with an auto, especially in the hills, but alot of experience with manuals
pretty much evens that one out.

As far as costs go, it depends on the trans and how you use it. A clutch
job on a 4X4 can sometimes cost as much as a auto trans R&R. A C-6 when
properly maintained will outlast 3 clutches in a manual work truck. An E4OD
is not quite so good, and an AOD is awful if you do much more than drive it
to work. A ZF if ran in OD with a heavy load will self destruct, they
should be run in direct when pulling.

It's really personal preference, I like both fairly evenly. But as Ken
said, if I had to fight Atlanta traffic I'd want an auto.


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From: "Desanto, Phillip" Cinergy.com>
Subject: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:58:48 -0500

Thought I'd forward this to the FTE list also, since someone on here may
also wish to redo their anodized aluminum trim. This stuff is the only way
to go if you want to take off the old milky lookin anodizing and polish the
metal underneath. Then you can leave it unfinished and keep it polished, OR
put a good 2-part clear over it like POR-15's "Glisten" or something
similar. Phil
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: OldFords63 juno.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 10:18 PM
To: GALAXIE LISTS.VNTG-MUSTANG.COM
Cc: Galaxieclub egroups.com;
Subject: Found- Anodizing remover


Hi all- there has been several discussions here over the last couple of
years about a readily available Anodizing remover. I had bought some a
few years ago, but could no longer find it. Well this past weekend I
finally ran across a vender that sells it. It's the same stuff I bought
before that worked so well. It's from a place called :
RGS Abrasives Inc.
1246 W. Webb
DeWitt, MI. 48820
517-669-8848 or 888-725-4538
E-mail GTE.Net>
A jar about the size of a beer can is $10, ( 12-14oz.)
and that's enough to do a whole car if you don't spill or waste it. (It
takes just a small amount to make a gallon of solution, and you can save it
and use
it over and over ) It's very easy to use. They also sell a full line of
other buffing supplies.
Happy polishing, Phil (Ford Galaxie Club of America # 694)

_


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:55:46 -0600
Subject: Re: man vs auto
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> but I'm not
> telling you what you should drive, you wouldn't listen anyway....

I hear and obey, master.....right. Steve, you know me too well.

I think part of the auto vs. manual debate relates back to our own
experiences. I have owned several non FoMoCo autos that were pure junk. I
can easily see how anyone who had owned one of these models would be totally
disenchanted with the product.

I drove a school bus at one point in my career. My favorite had a 5 speed
Borg-Warner automatic, PS, and air brakes. That was nice. Much better than
the 5 speed manual with no shift pattern I was once issued. "OK, now where's
3rd..oops, that was reverse...oops, that was 5th..." Loads of fun for the
4th graders. Ahh, air brakes. I wonder why they never put them on consumer
cars....

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:00:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Nascar Craftsman Truck Series forum added

A "Nascar Craftsman Truck Series" forum has been added to
the web site message boards. In addition being a place for
you to discuss the races, I'll also be posting Ford truck
series press releases there.

Ken Payne
Admin




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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tough to fill-up
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 100 09:03:28 -0500 (EST)

> (18gal?) tanks, it is absolute hell filling up the tanks. I have to trickle
> the gas in. The filler necks of both tanks are practically horizontal, so
> it's no surprise that the gas backflushs out the nozzle opening.

Never dealt with horizontal fillers, but the two times I had a vehicle
get balky about filling up, it was a plugged or kinked vent line.

--sean

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From: "Sean O'Malley" voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 78 brake question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 100 09:07:53 -0500 (EST)

> [check the rear drums]
> [possible leaking front or rear cyl]

Thanks guys. I'll check this stuff out.

--sean

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Tough to fill-up
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:10:42 -0800


>
> Hi All,
> I'm sure this is an old thread, but on my '75 F-250 Supercab with twin
> (18gal?) tanks, it is absolute hell filling up the tanks. I
> have to trickle
> the gas in. The filler necks of both tanks are practically
> horizontal, so
> it's no surprise that the gas backflushs out the nozzle opening.
>
> Has this wonderful list come up with a sure-fire way to beat
> the gas tank
> fill-up blues? I hate taking 10 minutes to trickle-feed my
> thirsty 460.
> Where do I look for a cure?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Steve S

Steve,
You said "sure-fire" not cheap. ;0)
Step 1. Find a 77-79 pickup with dual tanks.
Step 2. Remove the beds from both trucks and swap

It is better if the doner truck is in the recycling yard or the owner has
approved this procedure.

I did this to my 76 and haven't had a problem filling it up since.

Tom H.

------------------------------

From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto II
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:10:41 -0800


>
> >not to mention no true sports car has an automatic. show me a
> >1968 Ferrari GTO that came with an auto and i might change my
> >mind, but not likely.
> >
> >=====
> >Daniel DiMartino
> > yahoo.com>
> >1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
> >
>
> How about a '70 Hemi Cuda? Could get it either way.
>
> stoney

First I would like to say I am impartial to either transmission. I've had
both and I like both. Actually learned to drive in a 76 crew-cab longbed
with a granny low 4 speed and I now own a 76 supercab with a C-6. Never had
any problems with either trans.

I think that much of the reason that automatics were not considered
performance trannys was the non-positive action of the dismally designed
column shifter. If a performance shifter is used that allows positive gear
selection without the posibility of grabbing reverse or park it might have
been better accepted by the performance community. And with a Ford auto
trans you can actually select the gear you want (except for drive but who
would want to start in 3rd gear). I know that automatics can be heavier and
have more parasitic losses than an automatic but in certain applications it
does have advantages.

Tom H

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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: Re: Tough to fill-up
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:19:55 -0600

I realize this is the wrong thread for my '81 F-150, but I must say that I
have the same problem. The only way I can get it in fast is if I go to an
old gas station with old pumps. New gas stations cannot handle it. The
back tank does a little better than the front one, but I'm not sure why.

Jim Moore
1964 Ford F-100 292
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
Oklahoma City, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: Hogan, Tom [mailto:Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:11 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tough to fill-up



>
> Hi All,
> I'm sure this is an old thread, but on my '75 F-250 Supercab with twin
> (18gal?) tanks, it is absolute hell filling up the tanks. I
> have to trickle
> the gas in. The filler necks of both tanks are practically
> horizontal, so
> it's no surprise that the gas backflushs out the nozzle opening.
>
> Has this wonderful list come up with a sure-fire way to beat
> the gas tank
> fill-up blues? I hate taking 10 minutes to trickle-feed my
> thirsty 460.
> Where do I look for a cure?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Steve S

Steve,
You said "sure-fire" not cheap. ;0)
Step 1. Find a 77-79 pickup with dual tanks.
Step 2. Remove the beds from both trucks and swap

It is better if the doner truck is in the recycling yard or the owner has
approved this procedure.

I did this to my 76 and haven't had a problem filling it up since.

Tom H.
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From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:59:41 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover

I always used Easy Off No Bake Oven cleaner. It will etch the metal if left on
to long, but will polish out with to a mirror finish with a buffing wheel.

It's just a different twist and I'm only mentioning it as an option to possibly
try. I was actually told about this trick by the guy selling Wenol at Pigeon
Forge a couple of years ago.

-Ted




"Desanto, Phillip" Cinergy.com> on 03/28/2000 06:58:48 AM

Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

To: "'Ford Truck -POSTINGS'" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS)
Subject: [61-79-list] FW: Found- Anodizing remover



Thought I'd forward this to the FTE list also, since someone on here may
also wish to redo their anodized aluminum trim. This stuff is the only way
to go if you want to take off the old milky lookin anodizing and polish the
metal underneath. Then you can leave it unfinished and keep it polished, OR
put a good 2-part clear over it like POR-15's "Glisten" or something
similar. Phil
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: OldFords63 juno.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 10:18 PM
To: GALAXIE LISTS.VNTG-MUSTANG.COM
Cc: Galaxieclub egroups.com;
Subject: Found- Anodizing remover


Hi all- there has been several discussions here over the last couple of
years about a readily available Anodizing remover. I had bought some a
few years ago, but could no longer find it. Well this past weekend I
finally ran across a vender that sells it. It's the same stuff I bought
before that worked so well. It's from a place called :
RGS Abrasives Inc.
1246 W. Webb
DeWitt, MI. 48820
517-669-8848 or 888-725-4538
E-mail GTE.Net>
A jar about the size of a beer can is $10, ( 12-14oz.)
and that's enough to do a whole car if you don't spill or waste it. (It
takes just a small amount to make a gallon of solution, and you can save it
and use
it over and over ) It's very easy to use. They also sell a full line of
other buffing supplies.
Happy polishing, Phil (Ford Galaxie Club of America # 694)

_

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:18:38 GMT
Subject: Re: man vs auto II

>> >not to mention no true sports car has an automatic. show me a
>> >1968 Ferrari GTO that came with an auto and i might change my
>> >mind, but not likely.
>> >
>> How about a '70 Hemi Cuda? Could get it either way.
>>

Technically speaking a 70 Hemi Cuda, or any "pony car" for that matter isn't
a sports car, as they have back seats ...

But since the new Porsche 911 Turbo S with its whopping 400 and some horsepower
and what not now comes with a "Tiptronic" which is a form of auto, I don't see
how you can say real sports cars don't come with auto's, unless you don't consider
a Porsche a real sports car, and I don't think that debate belongs anywhere
here ...

I will say I'm used to autocrossing a manual tranny, and getting used to running
that auto in the Lightning last weekend was odd, when I let off the gas I just
kept going so I had to actually use the brakes a bit more ... just took some
getting used to ...


>I think that much of the reason that automatics were not considered
>performance trannys was the non-positive action of the dismally designed
>column shifter. If a performance shifter is used that allows positive gear

>selection without the posibility of grabbing reverse or park it might have

>been better accepted by the performance community.


Hence the His/Her shifter of the GTO era ... no R or P on the "race" side of
that ...

also the Torqueflite was quite popular when it came out for drag racing the
hemi's ... something about living behind that much hp and torque, though now
we've come full circle and the autos are having trouble again ... though with
drag racing becoming a thing of consistency more than "heads up" the auto could
be making more of a come back ... but I'm sure someone will argue that drag
racing isn't real racing (please let this one go, I don't want to discuss it
on this list too!)

> And with a Ford auto
>trans you can actually select the gear you want (except for drive but who
>would want to start in 3rd gear). I know that automatics can be heavier and

>have more parasitic losses than a manual but in certain applications it
>does have advantages.
>

There's something to be said for that infinite clutch in the front that's for
sure ... I've got one of each and they both have their advantages. I've learned
to race with the manual though and prefer it for racing, but if I'd learned
with an auto I could probably be just as comfortable. And frankly I won't pass
up a race just 'cause I've got an auto, I'll race anything with wheels pretty
much, as long as they can get me a time :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:47:25 -0600
Subject: Re: Tough to fill-up
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> It is better if the doner truck is in the recycling yard or the owner has
> approved this procedure.

I suppose they might let you acquire a bed by weight...wait until it's dark,
then....

Seriously, another option might be to reroute the filler necks to your
fender wells or inside the bed so that you could add some height to the cap
location. Just a thought.

Maybe some kind of neck extender? You could call it the Ostrich and sell
them to other Ford truck owners. Steve, this sounds like something you could
fabricate. How about an old flexible snout like you would put on a GI gas
can? I don't think it would seal right and you would still spill.

How about a floor jack so you could raise the whole side of the truck when
you fill up. Naw...

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "MC" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:06:29 -0800

Jason Derra wrote:

>BTW, I couldn't imagine a KW or a Pete with an automatic, period.

I don't know about Kenworth or Peterbilt, but I work at Freightliner, and we
do build trucks with automatics.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Matt Cozad


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Automatics
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:56:54 -0500

Steve writes: >>Actually, yes. The plumbing company I used to work for
had
an over the road truck with an Allison 4 speed automatic with
a 2 speed splitter and 2 speed rear end, Thats 16 forward gears
and 2 reverse gears. granted it was only a Cat 3208, but it needed
all those gears to get around the Great Northwest, hauling 3,000
gallons of... septic waste... is the nice way to put it.... <<

Ever notice that all the flight line fuel haulers and heavy equipment types
for working on planes seem to be automatics. Allison makes a six speed
auto that is used in all the school busses around here since they've gone
to diesels. Now I wouldn't consider a school bus really heavy duty, but it
ain't no toy. They seem to have gotten the heavy duty automatics to be
very reliable. I have no clue as to whether or not I'd like one in a
larger truck or a tractor, but they seem to be holding up very well. Not
trying to sway anyone either way. It's still a matter of opinion.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:32:51 -0800

I'm planning on starting a resto on my truck. It is a 76 and has the wide
belt line moulding. I thougt it was stainless. Is this stuff aluminum? Do
I need to strip the coating to polish it back up. It dose have a milky haze
to it.

Tom H

> I always used Easy Off No Bake Oven cleaner. It will etch
> the metal if left on
> to long, but will polish out with to a mirror finish with a
> buffing wheel.
>
> It's just a different twist and I'm only mentioning it as an
> option to possibly
> try. I was actually told about this trick by the guy selling
> Wenol at Pigeon
> Forge a couple of years ago.
>
> -Ted
>
>
>

>
> Thought I'd forward this to the FTE list also, since someone
> on here may
> also wish to redo their anodized aluminum trim. This stuff is
> the only way
> to go if you want to take off the old milky lookin anodizing
> and polish the
> metal underneath. Then you can leave it unfinished and keep
> it polished, OR
> put a good 2-part clear over it like POR-15's "Glisten" or something
> similar. Phil
> --------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------

From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:01:38 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover

I don't know about a '76, but I believe they would be the same material as my
'68. Mine are anodized aluminum.

-Ted

P.S.- I would only use the Easy Off only if I had a buffing wheel to polish
with. I'm sure it can be done by hand, but would require a lot of effort. IMHO





I'm planning on starting a resto on my truck. It is a 76 and has the wide
belt line moulding. I thougt it was stainless. Is this stuff aluminum? Do
I need to strip the coating to polish it back up. It dose have a milky haze
to it.

Tom H

> I always used Easy Off No Bake Oven cleaner. It will etch
> the metal if left on
> to long, but will polish out with to a mirror finish with a
> buffing wheel.








------------------------------

From: MongoCaver aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:39:44 EST
Subject: mileage of 99 & 00 f250

What kind of fuel mileage are you guys with 1999 and 2000 F250 trucks with
Diesels getting?
James

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:40:25 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: mileage of 99 & 00 f250

Need more info. 2wd or 4wd? Regular cab, super cab or crew cab? 6 speed or
auto? short or long bed? gear ratio?

MongoCaver aol.com wrote:

> What kind of fuel mileage are you guys with 1999 and 2000 F250 trucks with
> Diesels getting?
> James
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:51:09 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: : Re: man vs auto II

99% of the logging operations around the northwest use manual trans in their
crummies simply because they are cheaper to maintain and more reliable for
multiple drivers. I don't see where you could go any farther with a manual than
an automatic in the woods. I think that boils down to more driver experience
than transmission choice.
Jason

Pat wrote:

> I wasn't going to get involved in this last forever thread, that was until
> the Foreign sporty car stuff. I've asked all the grey haired loggers that I
> could talk to in this part of the BC coast about their preference and
> y'know, not one of them wanted a 4-spd. in a 4X4 and it certainly wasn't
> from lack of experience in driving 4 speeds. All of them told me matter of
> factly that you could go places with an auto that you couldn't even go with
> a 4 speed. Give me the auto anyday, I just love those glass smooth shifts in
> the ugliest of places. And no! My trucks arn't Grand Tourismo models.
> Tee-Hee
> Pat
> Patsplace
> 77 F250 4X4
> 78 F150 W/Overloads
> 72 Ranger parts truck
> 79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
> 78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.
>
> . show me a1968 Ferrari GTO that came with an auto and i might change my
> mind, but not likely.
>
> =====
> Daniel DiMartino
> yahoo.com>
> 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
>
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From: L7514 aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:57:44 EST
Subject: low oil pressure

hen I start up the engine on my 77 f100 (400 engine) the oil pressure gage
reads about half. By the time the motor heats up the pressure has dropped
as low as the gage will go and stays there while I'm driving. Should I be
worried and what can I do besides bring it to my mechanic???


Lance writes:

I have a similar problem with my 300 I-6. Except mine is very low on
start-up & takes a while to build pressure. Once the engine has been running
for approx. 30-40 seconds, it seems to be fine, especially after it has
warmed up. I'm scared that I'm causing alot of excess wear during engine
start ( besides the usual) & am wondering if I need to replace the oil pump,
or look at something else. It has only been doing it now for a few months.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Lance
1974 F-100 custom 300 I-6

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:09:48 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto

> Towing is easier
> with an auto, especially in the hills, but alot of experience with manuals
> pretty much evens that one out.
>
Thats a matter of personal preference. I like being able to upshift on a hill
when I think the engine is dropping out of the peak torque rpm. Not when the
automatic thinks its time. And I like the security of being able to gear down
going down the other side and having engine compression help to slow down.
Automatics are limited in this aspect unless they are specifically built to do
so. And yes you can manually shift an auto, but it still won't provide near as
much compression braking as the manual.


> A ZF if ran in OD with a heavy load will self destruct, they
> should be run in direct when pulling.
>
Never heard of this. I had a Powerstroke with the ZF and I always ran in 5th
gear (with 21K lbs) as long as the engine had the torque to pull it. There is
no massive heat buildup with the ZF in OD as there is with a overdrive
automatic. I have rebuilt (replaced) E4OD's that had got so hot that the case
had actually melted in areas. The biggest concern with the ZF is extended idle
time in neutral which causes premature failure of the input shaft pocket
bearings.

> As far as costs go, it depends on the trans and how you use it. A clutch
> job on a 4X4 can sometimes cost as much as a auto trans R&R.
>
Yes, but there is transmission overhaul cost on top of that. R&R time is cheap.

> A C-6 when
> properly maintained will outlast 3 clutches in a manual work truck. An E4OD
> is not quite so good, and an AOD is awful if you do much more than drive it
> to work. It's really personal preference, I like both fairly evenly.
>
Agreed. If Ford offered an OD automatic with the durability and strength of the
C6, I'd be
interested. Jason

>
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:13:32 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto

I know they are building new trucks with autos, but I haven't heard much good on
the reliability with 80- 100K lb weight factors and 1800 lb/ft torque. The
company I work for still specs their trucks with 10 or 13 speeds depending on
the application.
Jason

MC wrote:

> Jason Derra wrote:
>
> >BTW, I couldn't imagine a KW or a Pete with an automatic, period.
>
> I don't know about Kenworth or Peterbilt, but I work at Freightliner, and we
> do build trucks with automatics.
>
> Just thought I'd throw that out there.
>
> Matt Cozad
>
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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: Re: low oil pressure
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:24:31 -0600

Lance, you should replace the oil sending unit before you tear into the oil
pump. Sometimes it gets clogged up and doesn't work. You can get one for
about ten bucks at an auto parts store. It's a small silver can looking
device about the size of a can of Vienna wieners and screws into the
driver's side of the motor near the back. It should have a wire that simply
slides over it. Have the new one ready to put in, because you will lose
some oil when you pull the old one out. It's probably better to do it with
the engine cooled off. If this doesn't improve your gauge readings, then
you should consider changing the oil pump. You have to raise the motor to
do this, and what I did was take a 4x4 block of wood and use it as a
"softener" to jack up the motor on the harmonic balancer. This is because
of my lack of a cherry picker or a good, sturdy tree. It's better to remove
the front bolts from the oil pan before you jack it up, because other wise
the jack is in the way.

"If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all."

Jim Moore
1964 Ford F-100 292
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
Oklahoma City, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: L7514 aol.com [mailto:L7514 aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:58 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] low oil pressure


hen I start up the engine on my 77 f100 (400 engine) the oil pressure gage
reads about half. By the time the motor heats up the pressure has dropped
as low as the gage will go and stays there while I'm driving. Should I be
worried and what can I do besides bring it to my mechanic???


Lance writes:

I have a similar problem with my 300 I-6. Except mine is very low on
start-up & takes a while to build pressure. Once the engine has been
running
for approx. 30-40 seconds, it seems to be fine, especially after it has
warmed up. I'm scared that I'm causing alot of excess wear during engine
start ( besides the usual) & am wondering if I need to replace the oil
pump,
or look at something else. It has only been doing it now for a few months.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Lance
1974 F-100 custom 300 I-6
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:44:32 -0600
From: Ron Martens flash.net>
Subject: Re: low oil pressure



ROCH FRAPPIER wrote:

> When I start up the engine on my 77 f100 (400 engine) the oil pressure gage
> reads about half. By the time the motor heats up the pressure has dropped
> as low as the gage will go and stays there while I'm driving. Should I be
> worried and what can I do besides bring it to my mechanic???
>
> ROCKY
>
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Change out the sender, its not costly, 'bout ten bucks or so.


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:31:02 EST
Subject: Re: FW: Found- Anodizing remover

In a message dated 3/28/00 10:34:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:

< < I always used Easy Off No Bake Oven cleaner. > >
Its also a GREAT engine degreaser!! Been using it for a week on a truck Im
swappin motors in.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: Clemstang1 aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:38:13 EST
Subject: Re: 67 Grill, 68 to 70 DOVE series heads.

Stoney,
Would like to get $250 out of a set of these heads.....complete
heads all that is needed is to have them reconditioned.....have a set of late
model heads that have been machined for adj. rockers too if these might
interest you. If you are interested still let me know.....
Thanks
Jeff

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From: "Patrick Green" thegrid.net>
Subject: 83 mustang
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:54:37 -0800

I know that this not a truck question but, I have searched all over the web
and parts place and have found no answers. I have a 83 mustang with a 232
v6, I want to know if anyone knows of any aftermarket parts availability for
this Ford motor. I am Mostly interested in an intake manifold/etc to get
away from the stock carb to increase fuel mileage.

thanks in advance,
Patrick



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From: "mike schuh" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tough to fill-up
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:17:45 CST

had a 75 that did the same thing.i loosened the clamps and spun the rubber
hose that goes between the frame and box 90 deg.also check your vent
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>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tough to fill-up
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:47:25 -0600
>
> > It is better if the doner truck is in the recycling yard or the owner
>has
> > approved this procedure.
>
>I suppose they might let you acquire a bed by weight...wait until it's
>dark,
>then....
>
>Seriously, another option might be to reroute the filler necks to your
>fender wells or inside the bed so that you could add some height to the cap
>location. Just a thought.
>
>Maybe some kind of neck extender? You could call it the Ostrich and sell
>them to other Ford truck owners. Steve, this sounds like something you
>could
>fabricate. How about an old flexible snout like you would put on a GI gas
>can? I don't think it would seal right and you would still spill.
>
>How about a floor jack so you could raise the whole side of the truck when
>you fill up. Naw...
>
>-- John
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
>1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:36:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: man vs auto

At 07:55 AM 28:03:2000 -0600, you wrote:

>I think part of the auto vs. manual debate relates back to our own
>experiences. I have owned several non FoMoCo autos that were pure junk. I
>can easily see how anyone who had owned one of these models would be totally
>disenchanted with the product.

I have owned non-Ford automatics, and hate every one of them, the worst
of them was a S-10 Blazer, with a 2.8L AT 4WD, what a piece of work that
turned out to be. It didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way,
never mind anyone elses. The torque converter would lock up at ridiculously
low speed and then wouldn't unlock if you stuck your foot in it. Plus, it
shifted
like it was oozing from one gear to the next. No crisp shifts for this rolling
roadblock. Rockette hated it with a passion only women seem to possess.

So we disposed of it after a year of ownership, traded in on a '94 SHO, we're
much happier now...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:36:37 -0800
From: Steve home.com>
Subject: Parts

I have a 71 F250 Camper Special. I need a hood, a grill, a tailgate and
trim items as well as interior stuff. Where is the place to go for this
stuff???
Thank you for any help...I am new

Steve

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From: "ServiceMark" rcn.com>
Subject: 72 sport custom
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:56:52 -0500


Hi all,

I hope I'm doing this right. I've loved old fords since I was a little kid, but just got serious after picking up a 72 sport custom yesterday. I was hoping to find others who have similar trucks to tell me a little about mine. Mine has a 302/auto/air/ps/pb/2WD and a lot of trim. Can anyone tell me if this set up is good, bad, indifferent, etc??? My day job is as a house appraiser, so if anyone can help me with my pickup, I'd be happy to answer any questions about home values.

Yours,
Chris


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From: "Mike Pacheco" USWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: 72 sport custom
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:19:21 -0800

With a 72 Sport Custom there is no bad, and you have all the extra's...
lucky you, I have everything non-power and it had a 302.
Mike in Burien

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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:57 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] 72 sport custom



Hi all,

I hope I'm doing this right. I've loved old fords since I was a
little kid, but just got serious after picking up a 72 sport custom
yesterday. I was hoping to find others who have similar trucks to
tell me a little about mine. Mine has a 302/auto/air/ps/pb/2WD and
a lot of trim. Can anyone tell me if this set up is good, bad,
indifferent, etc??? My day job is as a house appraiser, so if
anyone can help me with my pickup, I'd be happy to answer any
questions about home values.

Yours,
Chris

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From: "Keith Kubiak" <55fordf100 home.com>
Subject: Re: Parts
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:32:44 -0800

I recently parted out a 68 F250. The grill isn't the same but the tailgate
should be. It's a plain Jane tailgate without any chrome trim (Probably not
what came with a Camper Special package). I also have various interior
parts, let me know what you are looking for. I have seen plenty of 67-72
Ford trucks in the junk yards here in San Diego. Other places to get parts
are http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obsoletefordparts.com and
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.longmotor.com/fordcats.html . There are other parts sources and
I'm sure you will find some great info at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ford-trucks.com/....


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