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61-79-list Digest Sun, 26 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 050

In This Issue:
Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA
Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA
Re: Automatics, I say phooey on em!
Questions
Re: Questions
Re: trucks in the area, WA
I'm in Heaven
man vs auto
Re: man vs auto
EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Re: Questions
Phooey on Autos, and Road trips
Re: man vs auto
Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Re: man vs auto
Re: man vs auto
Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Re: man vs auto
3/4 hose from canister
Re: man vs auto
Hey Y'all
Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Re: man vs auto

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From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:32:20 EST
Subject: Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA

In a message dated 3/25/2000 9:14:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

> From: BDIJXS aol.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:04:41 EST
>
> Sounds like an F-350 bed to me.....Now, that is rare!!!!!!!!!

Now that you mention it, he did say it was off an F-350. I called him today
and he said he sold it last night.

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:54:37 -0800
From: Tim Bowman uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Unusual 8' bed for sale in eastern WA

The "usual" bed was a camper special available during the mid 70's. I
don't exactly the year but I know they were available on the F-250 and
possibly the F-350 series. I believe the aim was to have a longer
wheelbase for the campers of the era and also an accessible spare since
it's pretty hard to get at a spare located under the rear section of the
bed.

BTW, I spent a wonderful morning doing a complete rear brake job on my
daughter and son-in-law's '68 F-100 Ranger. Was rewarded with a
wonderful teriyaki soft noodle lunch! A fair trade! Then got to drive
my son-in-law on a test ride in my new '99 SHO.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net



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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:56:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Art Verling excite.com>
Subject: Re: Automatics, I say phooey on em!

The C6 is a great tranny. I would have to say that you need another tranny
shop. Art Carr is in Reno and he will grantee a C6 to 800hp. Plus. I would
be happy to pick up your trans and and get it to Las Vegas for you. I think
that is where you are.
Art
art.verling excite.com





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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Questions
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:42:05 PST

I have a few questions, 1. is it possible to add an automatic tranny to a 68
f100 352 with three on the tree, what would I need to obtain and would it
look good. 2. I have a 72 f100 w/powersteering I want to remove the pump
and box and but it in my 68 is this possible, where could I obtain a
bracket, I already have A/c in my 68 and need a bracket or a way to mount
the pump.

Chris
'68 F100
'72 F100

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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:31:13 CST

Yes it is possible. A C6 will bolt right up. You will have to change the
steering column. Yes the 72 power steering pump will transfer nicely to your
68. Go to the local junk yard for the bracket. If you have any more
questions feel free to email me at lukes67ford hotmail.com. Thanks

Luke Phillips
67 F100 shortbed 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 SuperNats Bound!

>From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Questions
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:42:05 PST
>
>I have a few questions, 1. is it possible to add an automatic tranny to a
>68
>f100 352 with three on the tree, what would I need to obtain and would it
>look good. 2. I have a 72 f100 w/powersteering I want to remove the pump
>and box and but it in my 68 is this possible, where could I obtain a
>bracket, I already have A/c in my 68 and need a bracket or a way to mount
>the pump.
>
>Chris
>'68 F100
>'72 F100
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:15:19 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: trucks in the area, WA

Adam,
What year model are you looking for?
Jason

kamook wrote:

> WEll it will take me a month or two to get rid of some extra vehicles, and build a shed to get stuff out of my garage.
>
> I'm lookingfor a truck that needs some work, i want to rebuild the motor etc, and then it will be cheaper too
>
> -Adam
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From: "John Webster" primeline.net>
Subject: I'm in Heaven
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:10:33 -0500

Hi Folks,

Perhaps not to technical but my catalogue from "LMC Truck"
(www.lmctruck.com) just arrived. It covers the 1/2-3/4 Ton '73-'79. It does
for me at middle age what Playboy did at puberty. Still wiping the drool
off. A must have for everyone's home library, especially since it's FREE.

John


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From: "kamook" msn.com>
Subject: man vs auto
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:59:04 -0800

That is a bunch of BS!!!

83 Ford Ranger manual, 165,000 miles, original clutch
90 Ford Bronco 140,000, original clutch
87 Ford Escort 172,000, Original Clutch

if you can drive them they last forever, and no rebuilds either!

-Adam



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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:27:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto

At 06:59 AM 3/26/00 -0800, you wrote:
>That is a bunch of BS!!!
>
>83 Ford Ranger manual, 165,000 miles, original clutch
>90 Ford Bronco 140,000, original clutch
>87 Ford Escort 172,000, Original Clutch
>
>if you can drive them they last forever, and no rebuilds either!
>
>-Adam

See how long a clutch lasts in Atlanta traffic. Stop and
go for 15 miles for an hour+ each way. Any one who has
to deal with hundreds of gear changes each day welcomes
an automatic. Sales of manual transmissions are at their
lowest point in history for good reasons.

Also, watch the implied language, it decreases your
credibility.

Ken Payne




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From: "Doris Bridgeman" mindspring.com>
Subject: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:07:35 -0500


I am working on the inside of my 64 F100 bed and sandblasting the rust off. Yes I am taking it down to the bare metal. It has a lot of niches in it. Is a faster way or better way of doing this. I want to have one of those bedliners sprayed in. Is this nessarry for that? The rest of the truck is mostly done and the most all the bed.

Thanks
Doris B.



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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:58:42 -0800

I would ad a little to this. Get a C-6 that was behind an FE (352, 360,
390, 406, 410, 427, 428 and any others I may have left out). The reason is
the belhousing bolt pattern on the block flange is unique on the FE and the
belhousing is cast onto the case of the C-6.

Also I would probably try to find a donor truck and grab the steering column
from it and maybe the driveshaft and the transmission cooling lines.

If your radiator does not have cooling provisions for an automatic then
either swap the radiator or get an auxilary cooler.

My dad had a '68 with an automatic in it from the factory so they were
offered.

Tom H

>
> Yes it is possible. A C6 will bolt right up. You will have to
> change the
> steering column. Yes the 72 power steering pump will transfer
> nicely to your
> 68. Go to the local junk yard for the bracket. If you have any more
> questions feel free to email me at lukes67ford hotmail.com. Thanks
>
> Luke Phillips
> 67 F100 shortbed 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 SuperNats Bound!
>


>> 1. is it possible to add an
> automatic tranny to a
> >68
> >f100 352 with three on the tree, what would I need to obtain
> and would it
> >look good.

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:11:26 EST
Subject: Phooey on Autos, and Road trips

I appreciate the offer Art, but I've made up my mind. I never really liked
automatics, and this just topped it all off. I like the control a stick
shift offers, and a few added bonuses, like the abilty to push start, better
burnouts, and others ;-) But Id like to take ya up on the offer to come down
to Vegas, I've yet to meet anyone from FTE, plan on it someday, Hopefully
I'll make it to PF next year, That'd be the ticket. If ya cant justify drivin
to Vegas for lunch, we'll have to arrange lunch when I make it up there for
Hot August nights this year. Got a good road trip planned already. Me in
Tweety, Josh in Zoot (84 F-150 with a hot lil 300) My buddies bringin his 71
Stang. Oh yes, it will be great. I cant wait. See yall out there.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:46:29 -0500

I worked the DC traffic and got over 200k on a clutch. I'm sure this is
comperable to Atlanta traffic. She was starting to slip a little when I
changed her out. I had this in an '87 Ranger not a full size with an FE. I
still prefer an automatic just because of dealing with traffic and I guess
I'm getting to a point of not wanting to shift all the time. Both sides
have their merrits and to each his own. But I've never had reliability
problems with either.

Just my .02 on it.

-Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 10:26 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: man vs auto


>
>See how long a clutch lasts in Atlanta traffic. Stop and
>go for 15 miles for an hour+ each way. Any one who has
>to deal with hundreds of gear changes each day welcomes
>an automatic. Sales of manual transmissions are at their
>lowest point in history for good reasons.
>
>Also, watch the implied language, it decreases your
>credibility.
>
>Ken Payne
>
>
>
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From: "Jim & Becky White" micron.net>
Subject: Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:35:29 -0800

I would go talk to the local dealer of who you were going to for the spray
in liner. I am also considering one and the price they quoted me was
irregardless of how much prep work I did. They told me they stripped the
bed down in order to guarentee their finish afterwards. I was planning on
inspecting the bed prior to their application to ensure it met my
expectations.... just my 2cents

Jim W
65 F100 in Idaho

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Doris Bridgeman
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 8:08 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??



I am working on the inside of my 64 F100 bed and sandblasting the rust off.
Yes I am taking it down to the bare metal. It has a lot of niches in it. Is
a faster way or better way of doing this. I want to have one of those
bedliners sprayed in. Is this nessarry for that? The rest of the truck is
mostly done and the most all the bed.

Thanks
Doris B.


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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:33:34 -0500
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??

At 12:35 PM 3/26/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I would go talk to the local dealer of who you were going to for the spray
>in liner. I am also considering one and the price they quoted me was
>irregardless of how much prep work I did. They told me they stripped the
>bed down in order to guarentee their finish afterwards. I was planning on
>inspecting the bed prior to their application to ensure it met my
>expectations.... just my 2cents
>
>Jim W
>65 F100 in Idaho
>

>
>
>
>I am working on the inside of my 64 F100 bed and sandblasting the rust off.
>Yes I am taking it down to the bare metal. It has a lot of niches in it. Is
>a faster way or better way of doing this. I want to have one of those
>bedliners sprayed in. Is this nessarry for that? The rest of the truck is
>mostly done and the most all the bed.
>
>Thanks
>Doris B.


Jim & Doris,

I've had Rhino Lining on two of my trucks, one for 8 years now, and I've
been very pleased, had zero problems and that's hauling everything from
engines to old lumber with nails in it. The prep work someone mentioned
probably includes sandblasting and painting with primer. Rhino Lining will
NOT adhere to bare metal, only to paint. If you've already sandblasted your
bed, the dealer should reflect that in his price quote.

stoney


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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:43:07 -0500
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto

At 10:27 AM 3/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>At 06:59 AM 3/26/00 -0800, you wrote:
>>That is a bunch of BS!!!
>>
>>83 Ford Ranger manual, 165,000 miles, original clutch
>>90 Ford Bronco 140,000, original clutch
>>87 Ford Escort 172,000, Original Clutch
>>
>>if you can drive them they last forever, and no rebuilds either!
>>
>>-Adam
>
>See how long a clutch lasts in Atlanta traffic. Stop and
>go for 15 miles for an hour+ each way. Any one who has
>to deal with hundreds of gear changes each day welcomes
>an automatic. Sales of manual transmissions are at their
>lowest point in history for good reasons.
>
>Also, watch the implied language, it decreases your
>credibility.
>
>Ken Payne


Talk about a subject for flame wars, manual vs auto, whew!! Persoanlly
can't decide, C-6 (my '83 F-250) or NP435 (my '79 F-250)? Love them both,
despite some rumors, my C-6 has pulled MANY 10 to 15 thousand pound loads
without a hitch or overheating. Still love the feel of manually pushing
gears in the '79, something about total control of RPM's and really does
have advantage occasionally. At same time, city traffic sure makes C-6
nice. Think I'll just decide to love them both and let "others" worry about
which is best.


stoney


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From: ClemmerMustangJC aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:04:46 EST
Subject: Re: man vs auto

Yes this is a bunch of BS

1969 Ford F250, Original clutch 217,000 miles
1990 Ford F150 , original clutch 150,000 miles
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0L ,original clutch 110,000 miles

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:35 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco uswest.net>
Subject: Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??

I have a 72' that was sprayed, it doesn't need to be taken down to the
metal, they don't and won't either. It will look fine if its only
scuffed, you may want to talk to them regarding the rust though....Maybe
use "One Step to neutalize it prior to them spraying it.
They are the pro's.
Mike in Burien


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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:44:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto

At 07:04 PM 3/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes this is a bunch of BS

Okay now... lets remember we have all ages here. If
you don't believe me, I can show you some crayon
drawings 2nd grade school children have sent us after
visiting the site.

Ken Payne
Admin





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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:51:46 -0500
From: prices mciworld.com>
Subject: 3/4 hose from canister

NAPA Balkamp part number 813-1310 labelled "preheater hose 3/4 inch"

I would call your NAPA before driving the thirty miles, they may have to
order it. Good luck.

hokiemon in NC

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From: "Phil & Debi" stargate.net>
Subject: Re: man vs auto
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:16:28 -0500


> 1969 Ford F250, Original clutch 217,000 miles
> 1990 Ford F150 , original clutch 150,000 miles
> 1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0L ,original clutch 110,000 miles

I can believe it, I have a 91 F150 178,000 miles, original clutch and still
going strong. The whole drivetrain is original and never been opened.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4


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From: MyBadAzzFord aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:20:29 EST
Subject: Hey Y'all

Hey Y'all
I've been on this list for a couple of months now. Just reading, but I
decided to make my self known. Plus Darrell said he was gonna tell on me if
I didn't introduce myself. So here I am...I'm Mel, short for Melissa and I
have a 1965 F100. Its Marlin Blu, Custom Cab, Shortbed, 352, 3 on the tree.
Couple of years ago we switched the I-Beams from a '73 and put disc brakes on
the front. It was pretty easy and the best thing we ever did for it. I
should also tell you it got wrecked and at the current moment its in 12,000
pieces (yep, 12,000 pieces, I counted them :o)). Just messed up the front
end, but dad got the bright idea to do a TOTAL restoration. So as we start
to put it back together I'm sure I'll need everybodys help, tips and advice.
But anyhow enough babble...that's it for me and my Ford.

Mel

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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:22:23 CST

Tell me if I am wrong. The price on the spray on bed liner is roughly
$300.00? I plan on having on put in my 67. Does the price vary for a short
bed to a long bed? Please let me know. Thanks....

Luke Phillips
67 F100 short bed 240 I6 (460 in the works!) 2001 SuperNats Bound!!!

>From: Mike Pacheco USWEST.NET>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: EASY WAY TO REMOVE RUST FROM BED??
>Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:35 -0800
>
>I have a 72' that was sprayed, it doesn't need to be taken down to the
>metal, they don't and won't either. It will look fine if its only
>scuffed, you may want to talk to them regarding the rust though....Maybe
>use "One Step to neutalize it prior to them spraying it.
>They are the pro's.
>Mike in Burien
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:51:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: man vs auto



Sales of manual transmissions are at their
> >lowest point in history for good reasons.

i can't resist, i find automatics boring. i don't mind a
clutch, even when i had a foot in a cast. i feel that if your
using all your extremeties while driving your more alert, aware,....


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