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61-79-list Digest Fri, 11 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 004

In This Issue:
windshield trim
more 460 head questions
Steering U Joint
67-72 windshield trim
Re: Water in oil
Re: windshield trim
BRAKES! Proportioning valve stuff
351 Oiling Tip??
Re: BRAKES! Proportioning valve stuff
IRS idea/AOD tranny
Re: IRS idea/AOD tranny
Re: more 460 head questions
ADMIN: Trim footers
ADMIN: Web search is back up
Re: Draining my Battery!?!
Re: Gearheadgarage
Re: more 460 head questions
Re: cost of rebuilt 429?
61-67 econolines
Re: Windshield Trim
ADMIN: Chat is back up
Re: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #3

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:28:39 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: windshield trim

>would 73-79 trim work??

Good question.I know the windshield is the same,gaskets should be the
same so the trim shoud work.BTW there are at least 3 different gaskets
for windshield.No trim.wide trim and narrow trim.
I can tell you first hand the wide trim is a real bear to get installed
properly.Finally took it to a glass shop.

>I understand 62-79 all use the same windshield but not absolutely sure

I believe it is 67-79 that is the same.Front bumper is the same from
62-76 tho..I think they got thier money's worth out of that pattern.

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From: A61fordtruck aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:48:33 EST
Subject: more 460 head questions

In a message dated 02/10/2000 7:16:05 PM EST, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< The 3 must be hard to read. Should read "D3VE-A2A", one of three designs
used between 72 and 74. My current 1974 Lincoln 460 came from the factory
with these installed. They have 91 cc combustion chambers in 75 it went to
96 cc, so they are the next to lowest compression. Obviously the 3
indicates
it is a 1973 casting design.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 >>

Burt,

thanks for that information. does those heads have the big intakes or small,
and are they screw-in studs or press-in? thanks,

Greg schnakenberg

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From: BDIJXSaol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:55:34 EST
Subject: Steering U Joint

Hey George,

If you don't a response soon on this, send me a message and I'll dig up the
Spicer part numbers for you.....I've installed one of these kits and they are
NICE!!!!

Makes the stock stuff look Mickey Mouse...

CJ

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From: "Redden" enter.net>
Subject: 67-72 windshield trim
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:54:27 -0500

Dan:

The stainless steel windsheild trim is about $25 to $30 a piece thru the
aftermarket supply houses.
The whole set is around $110. I have been collecting pieces for my
windshield, one piece at a time
at junkyards. I still need two pieces. Found a set on Ebay. They'll need
to be polished and scratches
removed. Most guys won't break up a set; I got a set for $30. Let me know
if you only need a
couple pieces (free except for shipping,) cause I'll have extras (I have one
duplicate now).

Mike



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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:10:01 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski onebellevue.com>
Subject: Re: Water in oil



"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:

> My 352 used to develop water in the oil over the winter when it sat for a
> long time. Every spring I had to actually drain the oil and refill it
> because it would get up to a couple of quarts of water in it and there was
> no way for it to get in there except condensation. This may be an FE thing
> or an oil air cleaner thing or a storage thing, not sure.
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --

Not quite to that extent but moisture in the 352 just the same. It's happened every winter to me so far.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250




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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:36:33 -0500
From: Tim Anderson compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: windshield trim

Daniel,
There are some differences in the rubber between
the 67-72 and 73-79, but they seem to swap ok. I
put the windshield from my 67 into my 77 using the
77's rubber and it worked just fine. New rubber for
the 67-72 is available (or was last year) from
Autocrafters. I don't have their address handy
but it's easy to find. Good luck.

Tim in Anchorage
'67 F-100

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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: BRAKES! Proportioning valve stuff
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:20:28 -0800

Gotta agree with you Gary. One thing that is a neat doo-dad to put in your
truck is the adjustable brake proportioning valve that replaces the
non-adjustable ones that the truck come with. Neat thing about these guys is
that you can dial in how much brake you want on the front or on the back.
Think of the possibilities for hills going down, going up, towing, heavy
loads, etc.

With larger than stock tires in a heavy
vehicle I don't think you can make them too sensitive :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary




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From: "PitStop Performance" hotmail.com>
Subject: 351 Oiling Tip??
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 03:02:25 CST


Hey all,

It was some while back, but a list member posted a great tip to improve
oiling on a street 351M. If I remember right, it started out as a high
dollar race treatment... But the poster showed a cheaper way to do it for
street engines. I think it had something to do with tapping the block near
the rear of the valley pan and redirecting some oil up front. There were
pics and other good stuff.

If you are still here can you post that again? If not, does anyone have a
link to the pics that were posted?

Thanks.
______________________________________________________


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: BRAKES! Proportioning valve stuff
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:13:43 -0500

That may be needed in some special cases but I've found that the OEM
proportioning valve works very well most of the time, certainly better than
ABS for sure and with out a doubt in my experience :-) The trick I've
always used is to adjust the rear drums fairly tight and test them for
eveness just before winter. Nothing worse than uneven brakes on ice........

The rear brakes may only do 10-20% of the braking on a 2wd pickup truck but
in a bronco or 4wd pickup they do more than that and that 10-20% is
absolutely crucial to getting stopped in the rain or on ice etc.. ABS takes
too much away from the rear so you don't get the full benefit of them under
panic conditions......I found this out the hard way...(most OEM brake
programmers are drunks....:-)):-( A properly adjusted proportioning valve
or OEM one that is already correct for the application (most are pretty
good) can get them to play a better part in the braking under panic
conditions.

Remember if you add one to the system then you will have dual valves which
may not allow enough braking in the rear. I wound up with the willwood unit
almost all the way tight to get enough rear action to suit me on the bronco
but, again, the weight distribution is close to 50/50 on a bronco and larger
tires changes the formula too. On a 2wd pickup you have the worst case
scenerio, least weight on the rear empty so additional proportioning may
help if you never carry a load in it. If you often carry loads then you
should consider the potential of inferior brakes when loaded if you over
control the rear.

What I'm saying is that these units were made for circle track racing to
help generate exactly the correct relationship for hard braking in corners
and were never intended to be used on street vehicles. That doesn't rule
them out under certain special conditions but use them with caution. Make
sure that is really your problem before going this route and if you have
disk front brakes, DO NOT REMOVE THE STOCK PROPORTIONING VALVE! It is a
critical part in the proper operation of your front disk brakes. If you
really feel you need to do "something" then plug the rear ports and bypass
it with your rear lines and use the Willwood unit but leave the front
connected in stock form.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Gotta agree with you Gary. One thing that is a neat doo-dad
>to put in your
>truck is the adjustable brake proportioning valve that replaces the

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:20:30 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: IRS idea/AOD tranny

I measured up the T-Bird IRS unit last night. It measures 63.75 from wheel bolt flange to wheel bolt flange. Just
for the hey of it I also measured the Dana 60 I have sitting there. It measure about 67 from bolt flange to bolt
flange. A little extra rim space never hurt anyone. I have the whole rear assembly out of a 90 T-Bird LX laying
here, if interested you can have it. It is only a 7.5, but it would be good for measurement purposes. I am in Erie
PA.

Gary,
I am interested in how the AOD rebuild goes. That is the only tranny that I can say has defeated me in the rebuild
area. Last time was an expensive lesson, and I worked at a parts house at the time. Stubborn and broke, I ended up
buying a rebuilt one. Lesson learned, stick with the C-6.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crewcab
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: IRS idea/AOD tranny
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:47:16 -0500

I have the professional manual, how hard can it be ?? :-):-) Just had this
discussion with a guy who's son had a horror story about a shop doing his
tranny. I told him virtually all pro shops have a tranny dyno in house so
they can check for problems before re-installing them and they virtually all
wind up taking them down at least once before they get in the car due to the
sensitivity to dirt and burrs etc..

I'm hoping my new White Room and possesion of a professional manual from
ATSG will make it a fun experience this time :-) Since my son has no money
I will not be under the gun to get it done so it will be a stress free
project :-) That's the kind I like....stress free......no deadline :-)

I'm going to get flamed, I just sent an un-trimmed post a minute ago....:-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Gary,
>I am interested in how the AOD rebuild goes. That is the only
>tranny that I can say has defeated me in the rebuild
>area. Last time was an expensive lesson, and I worked at a
>parts house at the time. Stubborn and broke, I ended up
>buying a rebuilt one. Lesson learned, stick with the C-6.

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From: SHill48337aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:07:55 EST
Subject: Re: more 460 head questions

In a message dated 2/11/00 9:49:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
A61fordtruckaol.com writes:

<< thanks for that information. does those heads have the big intakes or
small,
and are they screw-in studs or press-in? thanks,
Greg schnakenberg >>

This head has, as do most of 460's, the 2.08", or small ones compared to the
police 73-74 460 at 2.19", and the 429CJ/SCJ at 2.24". They use a bolt and
pedestal for the rocker mount. Most all of the after market catalogs
(Summit, Jeg's, etc..) offer a push rod guide and screw in stud for use in
the bolt hole that allows installation of roller rockers in this head.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:24:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Trim footers

Can everyone discipline themselves to remove the unsubscribe
information footer from the bottom of messages when replying?
It's getting old seeing 4 of them on a multiple message reply.
If the list can't self-police themselves with this, I'll have
to set up a filter to bounce such posts.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:33:37 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Web search is back up

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts web search is working again.
It's very fast and will search about 200 meg of content
in about 2-5 seconds.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:39:55 -0500
From: Brad mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Draining my Battery!?!

At 09:23 AM 02/09/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Check the horn relay. Mine was doing this.
>
>Rob G.
>
>
>
>
>craig001mc.duke.edu on 02/09/2000 08:35:41 AM
>
>Please respond to 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>cc: (bcc: Robert Gunter/HQ/ICN)
>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Draining my Battery!?!
>
>
>
>
>
>Electrical Gremlin got me! My 70 F100 is pulling 2.5 amps from the battery
with
>nothing on. I pulled all the fuses and
> the current still drains. I recently had a new alternator put on and
>suspect either the alt or voltage reg may be the
> culprit. Is there a way to isolate these two to determine where the
short
>is? I don't have a wiring diagram.
> (Anyone know where to get one?) Any other suggestions on how to track
down
>where the current is going?
>
> Thanks
>
>Damian

These are some of those fun electircal problems... Several things can be
the cause... but 2.5 amps is a pretty serious draw... first thing to check
are relays, horn relay, A/C relay etc... As far as finding a short... find
the hot wire going into the VR and turn your VOM to Ohms, check from the
hot wire going into the VR to ground, and see if you have any continuity...
you can do the same with the alt, but that is prob. not the cause if you
just replaced it...
Good luck
Brad



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From: "Jerry Godsey" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Gearheadgarage
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:32:31 -0800

> I was just surfing the web yesterday, and the site:
> www.gearheadgarage.com
> have their demo FINALLY available, and it works! Took me about
> 1/2 hour to download. I recommand it to all the backyard and
> frontyard mecanics for entertainment during the long winter storms...
I bought gearhead garage a few months ago. My sons and I are hooked! It is
a great program, chock full of Fords, by the way.
It is fun to tinker with restoring the cars and then sell them.
In all, a pretty good buy for the $10 I spent at Fry's.
Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
www.geocities.com/view_from_pew
65 Ford Econoline
88 F-150
95 Aerostar


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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: more 460 head questions
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:14:04 CST

I have a set of D3VE A2A heads and the valves are stock, 2.08 and 1.65. Yes
they have screw in studs. If you have more questions feel free to ask.
Thanks,
Luke


>From: A61fordtruckaol.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] more 460 head questions
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:48:33 EST
>
>In a message dated 02/10/2000 7:16:05 PM EST, listarford-trucks.com
>writes:
>
><< The 3 must be hard to read. Should read "D3VE-A2A", one of three
>designs
> used between 72 and 74. My current 1974 Lincoln 460 came from the
>factory
> with these installed. They have 91 cc combustion chambers in 75 it went
>to
> 96 cc, so they are the next to lowest compression. Obviously the 3
>indicates
> it is a 1973 casting design.
> Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 >>
>
>Burt,
>
>thanks for that information. does those heads have the big intakes or
>small,
>and are they screw-in studs or press-in? thanks,
>
>Greg schnakenberg
>==========================================================
>To unsubscribe, send email to: listarford-trucks.com with
>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the
>message.
>

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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cost of rebuilt 429?
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:31:18 CST

The cost of the rebuild depends on what you expect from the motor. Is it a
daily driver? Or is it a dragster? In the latest issue of Street Trucks they
purchased a 460 long block from the factory for just over $1400. It just
depends on what you want. I am rebuilding a 460 to put in my 67 F100. I have
already spent over $2,000 and haven't even had the block prepped yet. The
460 is being built for mild performance. Good luck and I hope that I have
been of some help.
Thanks,
Luke

67 F100 shortbed 240 I6
98 Taurus SE


>From: Dlkiehlaol.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] cost of rebuilt 429?
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:24:26 EST
>
>Any idea what I can expect to pay for a rebuilt, standard 429? I'm
>preparing
>to have one rebuilt soon and was wondering if I should just go to one in a
>crate.
>
>Darryl Kiehl, Atlanta
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From: "brian whiteman" hotmail.com>
Subject: 61-67 econolines
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:43:14 EST

Does anyone know of any parts sources for 61-67 econolines? I am able to
find driveline parts and window seals, but not much else. Do I need to go to
salvage to replace sheet metal, or does someone make replacement panels for
upper-body? The front end was smashed, so would I be better off replacing
the front clip or trying to pull out the nose? Any knowledge would be
greatly appreciated.


Thank you in advance,
Brian

'66 Econoline SuperVan 170 six
'67 Mustang coupe 289 2bbl
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:04:48 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield Trim


The Stainless Steel Windshield Trim used on the 73-77' Models have the same
"C7TZ" Part numbers as the 67-72' models have. So they are indeed the same
trim! I just ran the numbers through my Ford man and they are all History!
Sorry. All have been made obsolete for some time. Your only hope would be a
good set of used trim or to find an NOS dealer that would want a fortune
for a complete set.
The 78/79 trucks came out with a much more narrow trim.

Good Luck!

Dan Herrmann



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:08:39 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Chat is back up

It's been a productive day so far. The Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web chat is back up. The Java VM we're
running is a much newer version than the one on our
previous server. It should be much more stable.
However, as a precautionary measure, it will restart
every hour until I'm comfortable with its operation.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:42:29 -0800
From: Tim Bowman uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #3

If you're doing a restoration, I've read that one can cut and shape wire
of the appropriate size and then manually insert it and bend the back
side ends over like a staple. VERY labor intensive; however.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowmanuswest.net

Brian Wrote:

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:53:26 -0700
From: Brian Koss mail.arc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Restoration Question

The inner fenders on the 66 trucks have rubber stapled to the rear as a
seal. How are these staples put in? I can't locate a HEAVY duty stapler
that will penetrate the steel.




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