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61-79-list Digest Tue, 14 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 039

In This Issue:
Undercarriage Update
C6AE 9425 G Intake manifold
Voltage Thing
shoulder belts
truck info plate in door
Propane engines
Re: 429 police engine for sale
Re: Propane engines
Re: galvanized cleaner
Re: Electrical Problem
Re: shoulder belts
Front Knuckles
Re: 65 shoulder belts
Re: 429 police engine for sale
Re: Propane engines
Re: Updating seat belts
Re: Propane engines
Re: BIRTHDAY WANTS.....
Re: Updating seat belts
Updating seat belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: Updating seat belts
Re: Undercarriage Update
Re: Updating seat belts
Re: Updating seat belts
Re: shoulder belts
Water pump and outlet
Re: Propane engines
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: shoulder belts
Re: truck info plate in door
Re: shoulder belts
Free '71 Bed Sacramento Area

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:56:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Art Verling excite.com>
Subject: Undercarriage Update

I was thinking about looking for a 78 2X4 SWB truck and stripping the body
and installing my 64 body on the 78 frame.
What would the downside of that be?
Will a 64 body fit on a 78 frame?
Your ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Art Verling
64 F100
Reno, NV

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From: "Steven Salas" email.msn.com>
Subject: C6AE 9425 G Intake manifold
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:10:53 -0800

I have a C6AE 9425 G 4v intake manifold. Can someone tell me what this
intake originally came off of? I was told that is a early 390 GT intake. I
plan on trading it and would like to be sure that I'm not misleading anyone.
Anybody have an idea what its worth? It is iron so it can't be worth a
whole bunch I'm sure. Thanks, Steve





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From: "JOHN B. HELLDORFER" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Voltage Thing
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:57:34 -0800


You write
>>>.While trying to diagnose the poor performance of my 76,I
discovered that I have 12 volts at the battery,but with the
ignition in the "run"position I only have about 5 volts at starter
solenoid, "high" side of ballast resistor etc.
I'm thinking bad ignition switch,any other ideas?<<<

If you mean the `wire that energizes the Starter Solenoid` ... Iam kinda
thinking it is correct. Maybe a volt or to higher is better But what you
have is OK coming from the Ignition switch...


OK on my 69 wire diagram the red/blu (to starter solenoid)and red/grn(to
Coil) are on the same Ignition stitch contact (Low Voltage Resistance
wiring)
SO, check the voltage at the coil and the starter solenoid they should be
`Similar` :D






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From: "Redden" enter.net>
Subject: shoulder belts
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:24:34 -0500

My '71 has holes for the shoulder harnesses.
I was going to check junkyards to see if late model belts would work.
Probably it might be just as easy to get aftermarket, the cost for a
universal one is around $65-$80 and some companies
include mounting plates in the package.
(I just put lap belts only in my '62 Plym##th and they cost $15 each.)

a couple of aftermarket links:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.andoauto.com/seat_belts.htm

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.julianos.com/catalog.html

mike in pa







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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:29:00 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles" austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: truck info plate in door

I am looking at buying a '73 F100 and I am trying to find out what the
original tranny it had, among other things.

WB Color body Trans Axl DSO
117 SB 234 G 08 57

VIN # F10ALQ26643

TIA for any an all help/info.

howardb

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:36:22 EST
Subject: Propane engines

Hello everyone,

I seem to recall a fellow on here that built engines strictly for propane. I
got a few questions, such as cam selection, compression ratio, cost of
conversion and so forth. With the cost of gas goin through the roof, Im
looking into alternative fuels. Ive already got a motor goin together, so Id
like to find out what I would need to keep the Hp levels up. Its a 460, .030
over with a pair of 68 429 heads. Pistons are hyper, and the cam Ive got is
a comp 268h. I know the heads need super hard valve seats, but after that I
get lost. Also, is there a setup out there that could handle a high HP 460?
I dont wanna starve the motor, even if I am savin $$. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:15:26 EST
Subject: Re: 429 police engine for sale

i have always thought 429 and 460's from 69-74 had the same deck height. this
one is a 72. it has the cj rods, cj oil pump and oil pan, also has the forged
pistons

jeff grant

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:35:06 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: Propane engines

I will Answer the last question first. The 2 most common brands of propane mixers
(carbs) Impco and OHG are 425 and 450cfm, for all V8 Applications.
If you feel you need more their are 2 options one is to buy a Dual 4 bbl intake
manifold and another mixer, converter etc. Or if you go to your local shop that
does propane conversions the have catalogs of adapters plates etc., one of their
adapters will allow you to put 2 mixers onto a single 4 bbl base plate. you still
need to have 2 mixers and converters. but their is no need to modify the carb
linkage. Try to find the formula that will tell you what cfm you need at about
85% volumetric efficiency. and keep in mind you don't need all that cfm at lower
rpm's.

I am running one OHG mixer on my 351W and through the adjustment of the main
(high speed) adjustment i have found i have more than enough fuel flow. Without a
dyno and an exhaust gas tester you can lean out your high speed mixture screw
until you start loosing speed and power, and after you back it out a bit you will
find that the screw is probably still half way in or more.

In regards to the camshaft, build your engine the the way you want. the use of
high compression pistons seem to make up for the 10% power loss of propane. i
will send you an email directly will the recommended engine building spec's.

Two final note's:
Here in Victoria BC Canada there has been a 20% increase in gas prices and
suddenly without any explanation there has been a 30% increase in propane prices
at the pump. For me the price of propane has jumped from 32 to 38 cents a liter.
and i expect they will blame it on the fuel cost to ship it.

Also I used to run a 440 Cu dodge i built for performance and i did not find that
i had a loss of fuel or power at any point and i have a friend who runs a 460 Cu
in his 73 F350 4x4 (with 42 inch tires etc.) and he has no problems with a
standard propane setup

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I seem to recall a fellow on here that built engines strictly for propane. I
> got a few questions, such as cam selection, compression ratio, cost of
> conversion and so forth. With the cost of gas goin through the roof, Im
> looking into alternative fuels. Ive already got a motor goin together, so Id
> like to find out what I would need to keep the Hp levels up. Its a 460, .030
> over with a pair of 68 429 heads. Pistons are hyper, and the cam Ive got is
> a comp 268h. I know the heads need super hard valve seats, but after that I
> get lost. Also, is there a setup out there that could handle a high HP 460?
> I dont wanna starve the motor, even if I am savin $$. Any help is greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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From: "Harvey, Blaine" sgc.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: galvanized cleaner
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:59:10 -0500

If you look on the Eastwood website, they have a product that they
say is good to clean up and paint galvanized metal--or it might be two
products, one to clean, the other to restore galvanized finish. Of course,
can't find my catalogue right now to give you the exact reference...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett L Habben juno.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:42 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Galvanized metal cleaner?
>
>
> >Folks,
> >What works to clean up the galvanized inner fenders and make them look
> >new again? I went after mine with diesel/gas/lacquer thinner and managed
> >to remove all the undercoating, overspray, grease, melted ignition module
> >potting, etc. But they still look like an old Gleaner combine abandoned
> >out in the grove for 50 years. Some sort of acid?
> >Thanks,
> >Brett
> >Super75cab
>

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:53:21 -0500

You should have about 6-8v at the coil green wire if I remember correclty in
the run position and 12v in the start position.

Low voltage is usually a sign of a bad connection somewhere. You may need
to pinch the sockets at the start relay or check for bad connections at the
large black plugs to the duraspark system, both at the module and the dizzy.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>While trying to diagnose the poor performance of my 76,I
>discovered that I have 12 volts at the battery,but with the
>ignition in the "run"position I only have about 5 volts at starter
>solenoid, "high" side of ballast resistor etc.
> I'm thinking bad ignition switch,any other ideas?

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:05:55 -0600
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> My '71 has holes for the shoulder harnesses.
> I was going to check junkyards to see if late model belts would work.

Guys,

A couple of thoughts here on shoulder belts. First I hate the belts in my
79. The retractor pulls tension on the shoulder belt all of the time and
rubs a raw place on my shoulder by my neck. Very annoying. I bought a couple
of after market locks from JC Whitney (real cheap, $2 or $3 for the pair)
that let me put a little slack in the shoulder belt. Much better. The belts
in my Towncar have a built in ratcheting device and are very comfortable to
use. The difference is in the way they bolt up. The retractor mechanism is
in the cab corner behind your head on the truck, but it is down on the floor
in the car.

Shoulder belts have been proven to be superior to lap belts in affording
crash protection, no doubt.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Dave Emerick" hotmail.com>
Subject: Front Knuckles
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:58 EST

Need some help.....where can I get either a rebuild kit or the replacement
individual pieces for the enclosed front knuckles on my '75 F-250 4x4? The
felt and various pieces will be replaced as needed, but haven't found a
supplier....

Also while I'm asking....what's the best way to determine the front end in
this truck...I know the rear is a Dana 60, but I've read the front could be
a 60 or a 44(!).....better way other than comparing it to the rear to
determine it's true model?

Thanks
______________________________________________________


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From: "e. eversull" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 65 shoulder belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:14 GMT

>>I do not know if it is feasable but I am thinking of putting 5 point
shoulder harnesses in my truck. My 65 has just a lap belt, and no where to
put a shoulder belt.

Paul,

I put shoulder belts in my 64 last year and am pleased with them. They come
with a 4" spoon that mounts behind the door channel on the b-pillar.
Welding is suggested, but bolting is ok and that is what I did. The pieces
provided to bolt into under the floor conflict a little with the floor seam
to the back of the cab but are workable. The belts are $100 apiece from
Julianos.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.julianos.com/

Eldon, 1964 F100

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:11:11 -0800
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: Re: 429 police engine for sale

Jeff: No they started at 10.300 and worked up to 10.322 in 73, This was done to
reduce the compression.

I think my friend randy sent you an email on the engine. He lives in Idaho, I
live in So Cal. I found a DOVE block in San Diego and may just buy that instead
of trying to ship the engine out. Would be expensive. There is a police engine
on ebay for sale also.

Thanks
John

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> i have always thought 429 and 460's from 69-74 had the same deck height. this
> one is a 72. it has the cj rods, cj oil pump and oil pan, also has the forged
> pistons
>
> jeff grant
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Propane engines
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:51:55 -0500

Now we're talking! :-) Imagine a dual quad propane setup at the shows in
your hot little 56 or at moab with your 460 powered 78 bronco.........I
LIKE IT! :-) All of a sudden this thread has my full attention :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>(carbs) Impco and OHG are 425 and 450cfm, for all V8 Applications.
>If you feel you need more their are 2 options one is to buy a
>Dual 4 bbl intake
>manifold and another mixer, converter etc. Or if you go to

------------------------------

From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Updating seat belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:53:17 -0800 (PST)

wish wrote:
> is my truck an oddity for not having the grommets ?

Mine doesn't have the grommets either.

There is a company that makes a 4 or 5 point harness that has a regular
seatbelt-like latch with a red button. The company rep. told me that
it is a requirement for the harness to be legal on the street. I
guess rescue personnel look for those red buttons to release you when
you can't do it yourself? Anyway to use a 5 point, don't you need to
make a hole in the seat?

I would just like to replace my belts with new ones because the latches
stick. Only problem is nobody makes them in green anymore. :(


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Propane engines
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:53:29 -0500

When can we expect Holley to come out with a computer controlled dual quad
system.......:-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>(carbs) Impco and OHG are 425 and 450cfm, for all V8 Applications.
>If you feel you need more their are 2 options one is to buy a
>Dual 4 bbl intake
>manifold and another mixer, converter etc. Or if you go to

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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: BIRTHDAY WANTS.....
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:54:44 -0800 (PST)

I got the Grant steering wheel you can see in the recent pictures on my
web page for my 42nd birthday. It is how I get the things you want for
the truck that I can't really justify spending the money on. My old
wheel worked fine, but was all cracked and didn't have a horn.


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Updating seat belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:59:16 -0600

> wish wrote:
> > is my truck an oddity for not having the grommets ?
>
> Mine doesn't have the grommets either.
>

Whew, thought maybe I was smokin some stuff and didn't see em :)


> There is a company that makes a 4 or 5 point harness that has a regular
> seatbelt-like latch with a red button. The company rep. told me that
> it is a requirement for the harness to be legal on the street. I
> guess rescue personnel look for those red buttons to release you when
> you can't do it yourself?

That's it exactly, some of the twist ones you have to paint some really neat
arrows and stuff on ...

Anyway to use a 5 point, don't you need to
> make a hole in the seat?
>

To make it work right you do ... or just not use the 5th point all the time
(yikes!)


> I would just like to replace my belts with new ones because the latches
> stick. Only problem is nobody makes them in green anymore. :(
>

Hey on mine, a little WD-40 lubed them right up, no more stuck passengers
... funny people still won't ride with me very often ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L (out of storage in 12 hours and counting!)
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:55:37 -0700
From: "Richard Currit" state.wy.us>
Subject: Updating seat belts

I had asked about updating seat belts. Wish added:

>What you have plastic grommets there!?!?!? I'll bet >there are mount
points hidden there then ...

I hope!!!

Then Steve added:

>I know, that according to the ownder's manual, >shoulder belts were
available as an option for my >'71. I also have the plastic grommets but
have not >taken the time yet to see if the mount is there.

Thanks all (I'm in digest mode so am a little slow to respond). Sounds
like it might be pretty easy then. I'll pull out the grommets and let
you all know what I find!
High Plains Richard
'72 F-100

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:56:31 -0800


> A couple of thoughts here on shoulder belts. First I hate the
> belts in my
> 79. The retractor pulls tension on the shoulder belt all of
> the time and
> rubs a raw place on my shoulder by my neck. Very annoying. I
> bought a couple
> of after market locks from JC Whitney (real cheap, $2 or $3
> for the pair)
> that let me put a little slack in the shoulder belt. Much
> better.


On my '76 there are black plastic 'slider clips' on the shoulder belt.
These ride against the retractor mechanism and provide any slack I want in
the belt. I think the owner's manual states to adjust this clip so you can
put your fist between your shoulder and the belt.

Tom H

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:22:46 -0600
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>> bought a couple
>> of after market locks from JC Whitney (real cheap, $2 or $3
>> for the pair)
>> that let me put a little slack in the shoulder belt. Much
>> better.
>
>
> On my '76 there are black plastic 'slider clips' on the shoulder belt.
> These ride against the retractor mechanism and provide any slack I want in
> the belt. I think the owner's manual states to adjust this clip so you can
> put your fist between your shoulder and the belt.

Tom,

These sliders sound just like the devices I got from JCW.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:27:52 -0600
Subject: Re: Updating seat belts
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>> wish wrote:
>> > is my truck an oddity for not having the grommets ?
>>
>> Mine doesn't have the grommets either.
>>
>
> Whew, thought maybe I was smokin some stuff and didn't see em :)

Wish, Mark, Richard, etal.

The holes and or grommets might depend on the GVW. Ford probably knew the
later years would need shoulder belts and it was more cost effective to go
ahead and put the anchor points in. Above a certain GVW shoulder belts
aren't/weren't required, so they didn't put the anchor points in those cabs.
I remember on my Dad's 73 Caddy you can wear the lap belt by itself or you
can wear the shoulder belt with the lap belt. Transition years can produce
some strange combos. Besides, Wish, your truck is such a cosmopolitan
conglomerate anyway......

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:27:59 -0800
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Undercarriage Update

>I was thinking about looking for a 78 2X4 SWB truck and stripping the body
>and installing my 64 body on the 78 frame.
>What would the downside of that be?
>Will a 64 body fit on a 78 frame?
>Your ideas would be appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Art Verling
>64 F100
>Reno, NV
>
>art.verling excite.com

A 65 or 66 cab would be a much better fit for the 78 frame. Any of
the beds will be a job. The easiest thing to do to get the 64 cab
would be to take the frame mounts off the 64 frame and put them on
the 78 frame. As well as changing all the clutch linkages and such.

laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Updating seat belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:58:22 -0600

> Wish, Mark, Richard, etal.
>
> The holes and or grommets might depend on the GVW.
> Besides, Wish, your truck is such a cosmopolitan
> conglomerate anyway......
>

Hahaha ..right you are, but the cab is a 73, and I ran the VIN and it is an
F100 4x2 VIN ... and I'm pretty sure he didn't do anything INSIDE the cab to
detract from its originality ... I'm afraid to pull the headliner down, it
may fall apart ... :)


> I remember on my Dad's 73 Caddy you can wear the lap belt by itself or you
> can wear the shoulder belt with the lap belt. Transition years can produce
> some strange combos.

Yup, our 69's (Cougars and Mustang) have the shoulder belt completely
separate from the lap belts ... the lap belts work just like the trucks do,
the shoulder belts however have no retractor or anything, they're bolted
securely to the roof and the floor ... great unless you're trying to reach
that starter on the dash . Then the 70's we've got (Torino's) they have the
bolted shoulder belt again, but this time it clips into the standard
retractable side of the lap belt and is more conventional, and allows the
use of lap belt only or both ... we don't have any 71-2's, but the 74 parts
car is a Torino also and its got what you expect today for seat belts ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:41:48 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Updating seat belts

Thanks for your message at 10:27 AM 3/15/00 -0600, John LaGrone. Your
message was:
>I remember on my Dad's 73 Caddy you can wear the lap belt by itself or you
>can wear the shoulder belt with the lap belt.

My '73 Mustang is the same. Unfortunately, it's such a hassle to hook up
the shoulder harness that I rarely do it...
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:59:48 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts

One of the things I like about having a '72 is that I'm not required to
have a shoulder belt.

The cab I drive has one of course, but I usually dont use it because it
presses against the side of my neck, which is not only annoying but also
makes me feel very vulnerable. Heck, you can kill someone with a chop in
the side of the neck.

I've been cited a couple times by the highway patrol for not having it
on, but never by the city cops. So if I think the highway patrol may be
around, I'll pull the belt out and just stick it under my left leg so it
looks to the passing cop like I have it on.

Denny
'72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K

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From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Water pump and outlet
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:41:14 -0500

I have a FT HD engine that has a dual thermostat housing that bolts on to
intake in front where a standard FE housing goes. It also has a large
(maybe 1-1/4 or 1/2" ) bypass hose from bottom to w/pump. There is also
a longer bypass hose from front of intake to w/pump near where the lower
rad hose attaches. This is similar to hose on FE's that comes in at top.
My Question: Can I remove this dual housing, replace with FE thermostat
housing to run smaller upper rad hose AND block-off the larger bypass port
out of w/pump as long as other bypass is kept in place? I'm trying to put
this engine in 56 COE and haveing trouble with too large of rad hoses and
very close to rad with fan. The fan bolt pattern is larger on this engine.
I have cut 1/4" off all blades (a no-no) to clear lower rad tank. Has anyone
ever tried to drill the w/pump plate to put in new bolt holes? I'm wondering
if it's too hard to drill and tap. Then I could use a p/up fan. I may have to
use electric fan if I can't do these things.
"G"


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:49:24 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: Propane engines

I was interested in a dual quad setup originally with my 440 dodge and i
found a local mechanic who had done it for race / show for his 426 hemi (he
worked for a dodge dealership). He said it was wonderful. he went with a
dual high rise manifold and a dual OHG mixer setup. Apparently setup is
almost the same as with any dual carb.
The exception is that a dyno seems to work better for setting up proper high
speed fuel amounts.

"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:

> Now we're talking! :-) Imagine a dual quad propane setup at the shows in
> your hot little 56 or at moab with your 460 powered 78 bronco.........I
> LIKE IT! :-) All of a sudden this thread has my full attention :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
>
> >(carbs) Impco and OHG are 425 and 450cfm, for all V8 Applications.
> >If you feel you need more their are 2 options one is to buy a
> >Dual 4 bbl intake
> >manifold and another mixer, converter etc. Or if you go to
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:22:42 -0600
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'll pull the belt out and just stick it under my left leg so it
> looks to the passing cop like I have it on.

SWMBO knows this trick. She hates being told to do anything and feels
compulsory seat belt laws are an invasion of ones privacy. I tend to agree
with her. If I want to go through the windshield, that's my business IMNSHO.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:27:37 -0800

>>SWMBO knows this trick. She hates being told to do >>anything and feels
>>compulsory seat belt laws are an invasion of ones >>privacy. I tend to
agree
>>with her. If I want to go through the windshield, >>that's my business
IMNSHO.

Wow. Hope you don't have kids. My wife's ex-husband thought much the same
way. He was invoved in a single car rollover accident and was ejected from
the vehicle. He is on lifetime disability. The child support we receive
for my stepson comes not from his father, but from Social Security. So you,
me and everyone else pays to support his son, he doesn't.



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:00:16 -0600
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Wow. Hope you don't have kids. My wife's ex-husband thought much the same
> way. He was invoved in a single car rollover accident and was ejected from
> the vehicle. He is on lifetime disability. The child support we receive
> for my stepson comes not from his father, but from Social Security. So you,
> me and everyone else pays to support his son, he doesn't.

That is a terrible tragedy, but he made his choice instead of someone making
it for him. My son is 23. I've only had one wife for 24 years and I still
have her. Decisions, decisions...... (Some of you will figure this out, some
won't.)

FTE content: I'm out of here...time to drive the old 79 F150 to the house.
Ah the little pleasures are the best.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:04:01 -0800

I'm not looking for sympathy or anything. The point I'm getting at is
SWMBO's Ex thought it "was his business". Which it was, but now he can no
longer support himself due to that choice, it becomes "our" business. The
choices we make affect others besides us.

Drive safe.
Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:00 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: shoulder belts


> Wow. Hope you don't have kids. My wife's ex-husband thought much the
same
> way. He was invoved in a single car rollover accident and was ejected
from
> the vehicle. He is on lifetime disability. The child support we receive
> for my stepson comes not from his father, but from Social Security. So
you,
> me and everyone else pays to support his son, he doesn't.

That is a terrible tragedy, but he made his choice instead of someone making
it for him. My son is 23. I've only had one wife for 24 years and I still
have her. Decisions, decisions...... (Some of you will figure this out, some
won't.)

FTE content: I'm out of here...time to drive the old 79 F150 to the house.
Ah the little pleasures are the best.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:27 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts

Southerland, Rich wrote:

> Wow. Hope you don't have kids. My wife's ex-husband thought much the same
> way. He was invoved in a single car rollover accident and was ejected from
> the vehicle. He is on lifetime disability. The child support we receive
> for my stepson comes not from his father, but from Social Security. So you,
> me and everyone else pays to support his son, he doesn't.

Well, if you want to be purely mercenary about this, let's look at the
real costs.
What do you figure your individual share comes to, paying child support
for people who become permanently disabled because they weren't wearing
a seat belt?

Then, on the other hand, if seat belts really save all those lives
they're supposed to, those people who would have died younger go on to
live past 65 and collect Soc. Sec. from then on. That's where your money
is going. Everybody knows that Soc. Sec is in real trouble because so
many more people are living to advanced ages now and the younger people
cant keep footing the bill.

In my case, I rarely use a seat belt, I've been driving for over 50
years without ever being injured in spite of having smashed up a bunch
of cars, vans, and trucks, and am now living on Soc. Sec. And my kid
grew up a long time ago. And I'm in excellent health. What you want is
for me to keep driving without a seat belt in the hope that I'll get in
another accident and get killed this time and quit living off the SS.

PS. You also want me to keep smoking a dozen cigars a day so maybe they
will keep me from living to be 100, which is my intention. So write
Clinton and tell him to lay off the smokers.

Denny
'72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: shoulder belts
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:00 -0800

I reread my first post and realized it wasn't very nice. I suppose I take
this stuff a little too seriously because it has a direct impact on my
family, not because of the support thing (hell, we only get $162 a month for
him, that doesn't cover anything), it's because I see how the relationship
between my stepson and his father has been negatively impacted because of
the choice one person made.

True, it's "your business", and I'm glad those who have responded have gone
without injury or loss. I wish I could say the same for my stepson and his
father.

Take care, drive safe.
Sorry if I offended anyone and sorry for hijacking this thread.
Rich

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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:11:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: shoulder belts

At 08:05 AM 15:03:2000 -0600, you wrote:

>Shoulder belts have been proven to be superior to lap belts in affording
>crash protection, no doubt.

Yeah, face on the steering wheel tends to screw up your day....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:11:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: shoulder belts

At 02:25 PM 15:03:2000 -0800, you wrote:

I am alive today because of seatbelts, a 60mph wreck because of a deer
in the road, rolled 2 1/2 times. Not in a truck mind you, but in a 27 year old
german car, you wouldn't wanna hit a deer in one of *these* cars as the
animal will wind up in your lap. The guy who wrecked after me ( Temp dropped
15 degrees in 1 hour, road iced up) wasn't so lucky. They took him away in
a meat wagon, no seat belt.

>True, it's "your business", and I'm glad those who have responded have gone
>without injury or loss. I wish I could say the same for my stepson and his
>father.

I'm uninjured because I'm anal about wearing belts...

>Take care, drive safe.

Safety Fast...( M.G. slogan)

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:48:25 EST
Subject: Re: truck info plate in door

Here's the basics:

1973 F100 (2wd),
Engine: I-6 240 cid.
built at the Michigan Assembly Plant. Transmission: Automatic (probably C6)
Rear Axle: Ford 3300lb (3.50 ratio)

Stock Man
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee



In a message dated 3/14/00 11:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com writes:

> VIN # F10ALQ26643

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:51:36 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ....


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