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61-79-list Digest Fri, 10 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 035

In This Issue:
Re: REAR END SWAP!!!
Update on my situation :-)
1972 F-350 Weight
Re: Update on my situation :-)
Re: Update on my situation :-)
69 ranger
ADMIN: Message boards have been upgraded.
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
FS F350 in Seattle area. 250, no motor.
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote
Re: ADMIN: New free service from FTE, web based email!!!
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote
Cross posted Axil Blasphemy!
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Re: Let's Give Big Hand For Gray
Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
new website address
Re: Let's Give Big Hand For Gray

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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: REAR END SWAP!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:18:47 -0800

There are some differences in the outer axle bearing size too from the older
axles to the newer ones so you may run into a problem there. I suspect your
old axles have the sealed ball bearings rather than the later tapered
bearings? Since you already have both axles all you have to do is compare
the parts. The third members all fit AFAIK and Azie noted that some
carriers won't take a 31 spline axle but if the outer bearing is the same
size and the axle shafts are the same length you can simply install the 31
spline center with the newer axles in the old housing as someone already
advised. In any case the 31 spline axles are superior in every way so it
may be worth the work to alter the axle housing or axle shafts to make them
work if you plan to put a large engine in it.

If the axles are too long you can determine how much to take off each axle
and have a machine shop shorten and respline them to the 31 spline
configuration to fit your old axle housing if the bearings are compatable
for a very strong rear end combination.

--
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping Gary
--

> would be highly appreciated. Will this rear end work at all? I have heard
> that the 31 spline is the better of the rear ends, the original rear end
in
> the truck is a 28 spline.



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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Update on my situation :-)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:04:29 -0800


As some of you know I had some medical problems Sunday and they are continuing. Apparently I am too stressed out by many things happening in my life right now and have taken most of this week off due to this. I am home now and subscr*bed to the lists at home temporarily so I can keep up with the gang but hope to be back to work Monday with some new medication which seems to be working. Xanax for the weekend to soften me up and Paxil on a long term basis to slow down my nerves I guess. As you recall, I've been saying I need to retire.........now we have proof :-) If the medication works I may elect to stay one more year but no more than that and it could happen as early as this July :-)

Anyway it isn't interfering with my getting some work done at home so far and I've been having a good time practicing my retirement :-) I hope to get at some of the vehicles to do a little on them if it warms up (got the oil changed and tires rotated on my daughter's car :-)). In my condition I'm not real ambitious about working in the cold right now :-) I bought a bunch of unfinished furniture and am slowly putting it together while I "rest" at home :-) (took me 3 hours to inlet two hinges by hand with a sharp chisel :-)) It's actually relaxing and good therapy. In the warm comfort of my living room too :-) (don't worry, I'm working on some cardboard boxes to keep the mess down :-)) Hope to put in some kitchen carpet tomorrow if I feel up to it :-) That's not too involved a job for a sick man (small kitchen :-)). There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with me physically, just stressed but I'll get all the tests done next thursday to rule out my heart as the culprit anyway. 4 doctors so far believe it's just my nerves :-)

Well, this is a truck list so that's enough of that. Since the traffic was slow today I just thought I'd let Y'all know what's going on :-)



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:25:59 -0600
From: barron adiis.net>
Subject: 1972 F-350 Weight

I have a 1972 F-350 dual rear wheel cab-chassis truck that has an old
camper body mounted on it. I am thinking about taking the camper body
off of the truck and putting a flat bed on the back of it.

Before I do this, I would like to estimate how much weight I will be
able to carry on the truck so I know if it will be worth my time and
trouble to change the bed out. Does anyone out there know how much a
bare 1972 F-350 dual rear wheel cab-chassis truck weighs?


Thanks,

Kim Barron
mustangalley adiis.net

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:09 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: Update on my situation :-)

Hey, hang loose, baby. Go down to Mexico and lay on the beach for a
while.

Gary R. Peters wrote:

> anyway. 4 doctors so far believe it's just my nerves :-)
>
>

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Update on my situation :-)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:56:48 -0500

I'm sorry--I don't see one word about a Ford Truck in that message.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiernan, Denny wenet.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:34 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on my situation :-)


>Hey, hang loose, baby. Go down to Mexico and lay on the beach for a
>while.
>
>Gary R. Peters wrote:
>
>> anyway. 4 doctors so far believe it's just my nerves :-)
>>
>>
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From: A61fordtruck aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:20:16 EST
Subject: 69 ranger

In a message dated 03/09/2000 5:24:52 PM EST, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

> From: John Strauss inetport.com>
> Subject: Ford Truck Kills - the investigation begins
>
> You can't swing a dead cat around Sealy without hitting one of my relatives
> so I will see what I can turn up about the Ford truck in question. If it
> is a local guy I can probably run it down but it may take a while - almost
> nobody there has email.
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!
>
John, my 69 that i am parting out is between simington and brookshire. if
you want to check it out for parts, let me know.

Greg

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:56:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Message boards have been upgraded.

The message board software has been upgraded. Check it
out! It has many new features, including the ability
to integrate with mailing lists, rating topics, email
topics to a friend, sorting, printer friendly output
and more.

Once I figure out how to guard email addresses, the
mailing lists will cross-post to the message boards
and visa-versa. Azie will finally have access to the
web site, though in an indirect way!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
PS - I'm still working on web mail, I found a bug in
the setup that will be addressed this weekend.



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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:01:17 -0800

Gentlemen, remembering that this is an internet family and an educational
list and self moderated to a great extent let's take a vote:

Which post would you rather have clogging up your mail box, the one below or
my original post? (Update on my situation) If you agree with Tim then I'll
refrain from involving myself in any conversation not directly related to a
ford truck or that Is really a matter of my opinion or that I don't have
actual hands on experience with. That in itself will cut down on the
traffic quite a bit and the rest of you should all be much happeir, eh?

Houses burning down, children dying, parents being sick, gas boycotts, jokes
and all similar things MUST be eliiminated at once right? What do Y'all
think? Honestly, this does not require a reply since I already know what
most old timers on this list will say but perhaps Ken should intervene here
so we don't have to keep putting up with this? Life is too stuffy already,
if "my" list becomes stuffy, I'm outahere...............

One compromise I might suggest though is that a few comments on a post like
mine are sufficient and even though no one responds I know you are all in my
camp so lengthy or frequent replys are not really necessary, I just wanted
to let you know what's up and it's going to be fine and we'll meet up at the
forge :-) If everyone were afraid to mention problems that make their lives
less fun to a group that obviously cares it would be a shame IMNSHO :-( How
would you all feel if Deacon had to deal with his troubles all by himself or
Peggy could not mention her Grand father on this list?

--
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping Gary
--

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim and Pam Allgire williams-net.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:56 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on my situation :-)


> I'm sorry--I don't see one word about a Ford Truck in that message.



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:07:08 EST
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......

Here is my vote Gary. I'll make public my personal sentiments which I sent
to you earlier.

>>Gary:

>> The list isn't anything without the >>*people*. I wish I were closer to
be able to >>help. God speed on your recovery. It >>sounds like you are
well on your way. So >>long for now.

>>Thom (aka Stock Man)



In a message dated 3/10/00 11:05:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 lni.net writes:

>
> Well, this is a truck list so that's enough of that. Since the traffic
was
> slow today I just thought I'd let Y'all know what's going on :-)
>



------------------------------

From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:01:55 EST
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......

My humble opinion, a litle personal detail (in good taste) isnt a problem.
After all, if I choose on to read it, I can skip it and move to the next
message. As one other person said, the list is nothing witout it's members.
Im sure there will be some hard liners that say if one can post like this,
then all can (and will). In part I tend to agree. What Im saying is that if
the "personal posts" are kept in good taste and in moderation, then I dont
hafe a problem.

I'd rather hear about someones progressing recovery than about another infant
abandoned down here in Cent Fl. and have mixed feelings about the deadlyest
bike week on record though! Well, no not really.

Well Ive babbled onlong enough. Godspeed to ya Gary in your recovery!

George M in Fl.

In a message dated 3/11/2000 9:02:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 lni.net writes:

> Gentlemen, remembering that this is an internet family and an educational
> list and self moderated to a great extent let's take a vote:
>
> Which post would you rather have clogging up your mail box, the one below
or
> my original post? (Update on my situation) If you agree with Tim then I'll
> refrain from involving myself in any conversation not directly related to a
> ford truck or that Is really a matter of my opinion or that I don't have
> actual hands on experience with. That in itself will cut down on the
> traffic quite a bit and the rest of you should all be much happeir, eh?
>
> Houses burning down, children dying, parents being sick, gas boycotts,
jokes
> and all similar things MUST be eliiminated at once right? What do Y'all
> think? Honestly, this does not require a reply since I already know what
> most old timers on this list will say but perhaps Ken should intervene here
> so we don't have to keep putting up with this? Life is too stuffy already,
> if "my" list becomes stuffy, I'm outahere...............
>
> One compromise I might suggest though is that a few comments on a post like
> mine are sufficient and even though no one responds I know you are all in
my
> camp so lengthy or frequent replys are not really necessary, I just wanted
> to let you know what's up and it's going to be fine and we'll meet up at
the
> forge :-) If everyone were afraid to mention problems that make their
lives
> less fun to a group that obviously cares it would be a shame IMNSHO :-(
How
> would you all feel if Deacon had to deal with his troubles all by himself
or
> Peggy could not mention her Grand father on this list?
>

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From: "Josh Assing" jassing.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:23:08 -0800
Subject: FS F350 in Seattle area. 250, no motor.

no interest, but found this on the local NG:

Green 1974 Ford F350 P/U For Sale. Cab is in fair shape,
Bed is a little rough. New clutch, 4 spd. Trans., New
steering gear box and pump with auxiliary cooler. New
alternator and Radiator. 4 almost new 875R16.5LT M+S Truck
Tires. Has Blown 390 Motor. $250.00 OBO. Located in N.
Seattle


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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:37:41 -0500

I don't see anything wrong with what Gary wrote. Gary's been a long time
family member of this list and contributes more than he recieves. I for one
am intrested to know of Gary's well being and knowing he is getting better
is a huge relief. Especially since he's one main knowledge banks on this
list.

I vote with Gary!

I'm glad you're getting better and good to hear from you again!

Ted Freeman
oldparts ford-trucks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary R. Peters lni.net>


>Gentlemen, remembering that this is an internet family and an educational
>list and self moderated to a great extent let's take a vote:
>
>Which post would you rather have clogging up your mail box, the one below
or
>my original post? (Update on my situation) If you agree with Tim then I'll
>refrain from involving myself in any conversation not directly related to a
>ford truck or that Is really a matter of my opinion or that I don't have
>actual hands on experience with. That in itself will cut down on the
>traffic quite a bit and the rest of you should all be much happeir, eh?



------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:30:42 -0800
From: Don nidlink.com>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote

While I don't post to the list very regularly, I have been on this list , I
think, since it's beginning or very close. While there have been alot of
times that the traffic has grown so much that I have done mass deletes I
have learned that purely technical posts are not, IMHO, what lists are made
of. Whats even more unbelieveable is that a member who posts a great amount
of tech info and answers many questions, posts a note of a personal nature
associated with anxiety, and gets a reply like that below, just boggles my
mind.
I would hope that while we learn about Ford trucks on this list,we also
learn to have a little compassion for those people that comprise this list
and are having a rough time
Take care Gary,Thanks for the info you have provided this list and that
which you will continue to give, that others may benefit.
God Bless
Don
78 F250 4X4 FORD TRUCK
PS, THANKS to Ken for starting and devoting so much energy to make this
list possible!


>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:56 PM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on my situation :-)
>
>
> > I'm sorry--I don't see one word about a Ford Truck in that message.


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From: "Bertolin" Ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: New free service from FTE, web based email!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:56:59 -0700

Ken, how will this work for those of us that have the Ford-truck.com e-mail
option? Will the .com option be eliminated? Thanks, Roberta

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:52 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com;
> 80-96-list ford-trucks.com; 97up-list ford-trucks.com;
> small-list ford-trucks.com; perf-list ford-trucks.com;
> pre48-list ford-trucks.com; offroad-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] ADMIN: New free service from FTE, web based
> email!!!
>
>
> Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce the addition
> of an all new free feature for our users!
>
> FREE WEB BASED EMAIL ---- yourname ford-trucks.net
>
> We've registered the ford-trucks.net domain for email
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>
> An automated sign up page will be added this weekend and
> the mail service will be activated then. This is a full
> blown, ***fast*** web based email package, that includes
> pretty much everything Hotmail, Yahoo mail, etc have and
> more. It cost us plenty, but I think everyone will enjoy
> using it and we've always had the policy of offering more
> to our users as we can afford it. Plus an added benefit,
> a vanity address perfect for all us Ford truck lovers.
>
> AFTE club members will receive as part of their membership
> an enhanced version of the web mail, which has increased
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>
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>
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>
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> use part of the mail database for a registry!).
>
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>
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From: "Freewheel" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:00:44 -0600

All I can say is,..............AMEN!

Larry
69 F100 Stepside
76 F100 Ranger
84 Bronco II

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" nidlink.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote


> While I don't post to the list very regularly, I have been on this list ,
I
> think, since it's beginning or very close. While there have been alot of
> times that the traffic has grown so much that I have done mass deletes I
> have learned that purely technical posts are not, IMHO, what lists are
made
> of. Whats even more unbelieveable is that a member who posts a great
amount
> of tech info and answers many questions, posts a note of a personal nature
> associated with anxiety, and gets a reply like that below, just boggles my
> mind.
> I would hope that while we learn about Ford trucks on this list,we also
> learn to have a little compassion for those people that comprise this list
> and are having a rough time
> Take care Gary,Thanks for the info you have provided this list and that
> which you will continue to give, that others may benefit.
> God Bless
> Don
> 78 F250 4X4 FORD TRUCK
> PS, THANKS to Ken for starting and devoting so much energy to make this
> list possible!
>
>
> >To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> >Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:56 PM
> >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on my situation :-)
> >
> >
> > > I'm sorry--I don't see one word about a Ford Truck in that message.
>
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From: "Chris Samuel" email.msn.com>
Subject: Cross posted Axil Blasphemy!
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:18:21 -0800

Lately I've been passively looking around for a D60 Ft axil for my 75 F250.
Just scoaping out the prices... I ain't got the money right now)-:
I am stunned to see the prices that these things go for! The typical
nationally advertised price is US$3100.00, up, in a rebuilt state. Actually
that is not a bad price for a complete ready to run Front axil, until you
compare it to one for a Chebropuke, which from the same vendor is only
US$1700.00! This differential in price is not reflective of a quality
difference in the differentials, they were both made by DANA! So, is it that
there is just so many more Chebropukes out there? I don't believe so... Of
course more of the Fords are still running!, but still...
Any-waze, I got to thinking (a dangerous thing) I could buy a Got
Mechanic?, Dana 60 and simply cut it apart and swap the tubes, axils, etc.
from side to side and weld it back together! I' know how and have access to
the correct machinery. Shoot, I could have it done and still not have
$2100.00 in the thing! Sure I wouldn't have the high pinion set up, but then
I don't now with the D44 that is in the truck, and I don't think that it's
worth a grand in this application... Plus I'd get the Generally Moronic disk
break set up, which I'm sad to say are a better design overall, then my
beloved Ford axil would have came with.
So, any axil gurus out there?
Just why, other then the brand loyalty issue, can't this be done?

For the Purest, or Restorer, I can see where this idea is blasphemy, and I
can understand it, on that level too. However figuring the amount of
surgery that the axil would endure it would no longer be a Goat Manure part
but a truly custom machined part for a Ford! And I am not restoring this
truck, just building a solid Wheeler out of it, so, I could live with it.

Muel



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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:31:25 -0800
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......

I'm gona stay out of the big Vote but I still want to say Good luck
Gary and retire already, it seems to do you good.

laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F-250
99 Contour

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:38:19 EST
Subject: Re: Let's Give Big Hand For Gray

Gray,

I read this list every day and have been doing so for around two years.
Being that I am in the Pacific Time Zone there is usually a lengthy list when
I get to it in the evening between 8:00 and 10:00 my time. As I start
through the list there will be items that tempt me to respond. But I have
learned to forward my self through the list and see if Gray has already
responded. Gray's responses are usually very well detailed and most of the
time I learn something from them. I think anyone who has been on this list
for sometime knows Gray has a passion for giving technical help on the list,
combined with some humor. Gray do not let the stress of the World get you
down, we need you.

Thanks
Burt Hill Kennewick WA

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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Personal posts, lets take a vote......
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:48:09 PST


I Vote for personal posts, if we didn't have the personal stuff on this
list, it would be just like any other list on the internet
"impersonal" I see no problem with knowing the personal info on the list,
it makes it seem like one big "Ford Truck" Family.

Chris
'67 F100 352

> >Gentlemen, remembering that this is an internet family and an educational
> >list and self moderated to a great extent let's take a vote:
> >
> >Which post would you rather have clogging up your mail box, the one below
>or
> >my original post? (Update on my situation) If you agree with Tim then
>I'll
> >refrain from involving myself in any conversation not directly related to
>a
> >ford truck or that Is really a matter of my opinion or that I don't have
> >actual hands on experience with. That in itself will cut down on the
> >traffic quite a bit and the rest of you should all be much happeir, eh?
>
>
>==========================================================
>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
>message.
>

______________________________________________________


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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:00:12 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: new website address

My web page has been updated to a new address for those interested in
changing their bookmarks.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm

Laters,

Stu
Nuke GM!

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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: Let's Give Big Hand For Gray
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:50:43 -0800

Well, I appreciate all the support from the gang. Of course my name is
actually Gary but I know what you meant so I'm just funnin ya :-) As....


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