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61-79-list Digest Wed, 08 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 033

In This Issue:
Ford Truck Kills - the investigation begins
Re: Ford Truck Kills
F-150 bumpers
Re: Ford Truck Kills - the investigation begins
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: C6 or FMX Bellhousing Clarification
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Sanderson FE Shorty Headers Update
Win or LOSE???
Re: Win or LOSE???
Re: Win or LOSE???
Re: Win or LOSE???
Re: Win or LOSE???
Re: Win or LOSE???
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Bolt together boxes?
Ford Truck Kills
Re: 460 Exhaust (round 2)!
351C Firing Order
Re: 351C Firing Order
Re: 351C Firing Order
Re: 351C Firing Order
Re: 351C Firing Order
Re: 351C Firing Order
Re: Carb woes
Re: 351C Firing Order
Any 73-79 Shortbed 2x4's alive?
Re: 351C Firing Order
ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases
T-18 to 5 speed??
Re: Where are you?
Re: That sounds like a '61
Ford Bronco Dash Replacement
Re: sanderson headers
Ford Dealer woes.
Found new source of steering slop.
Re: 400 intake manifold
Re: 460 Exhaust (round 2)!
C6's not all equal
Re: Ford Dealer Woes
No more alternators and 42V systems
Old Ford Junkyard in Seguin, TX
Re: Old Ford Junkyard in Seguin, TX

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:05:00 -0600
From: John Strauss inetport.com>
Subject: Ford Truck Kills - the investigation begins

You can't swing a dead cat around Sealy without hitting one of my relatives
so I will see what I can turn up about the Ford truck in question. If it
is a local guy I can probably run it down but it may take a while - almost
nobody there has email.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:12:47 -0800

At least the "Green Ford Truck" vs. "Gumby" appeared to be close...

"Uncle Jessy" vs. The Firebird wasn't even close. I don't care if that even
was a V6 (which is rated over 200hp), that was embarassing! If that was my
car, (not that I'd buy one in the first place) I'd be tempted to give it the
same treatment as the previously mentioned pit-diving Tempo!

I just LMAO watching that!

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From: "Harvey, Blaine" sgc.gc.ca>
Subject: F-150 bumpers
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:27:42 -0500

In Canada, bumpers are readily available from body parts houses. I
know because I have priced the same bumper for my '79. About $250 Canadian,
which means a lot less in US greenbacks. You can bet if they are available
here that easy, there will be no problem stateside.

> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:59:39 -0500
> From: "Christopher J. Phillips" mail.med.upenn.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help with new bumper front 1979 F150 supercab
>
> I need a resource to find a new front bumper 1979 F150
>
> Still new to this I went to replace the front break pads it was getting
> late in the evening so stooped before I got to far how do you remove the
> old style break shoe from the front wheel. Remove 9/16 bolt from lower
> left? What are the wedges on the lower front side of the wheel?
>

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills - the investigation begins
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:18:31 -0600

> You can't swing a dead cat around Sealy without hitting one of my
> relatives

Uhm, and with phrasing like that I'll take your word for it ;) I'll have to
remember that one it could come in handy later :)

> so I will see what I can turn up about the Ford truck in question. If it
> is a local guy I can probably run it down but it may take a while - almost
> nobody there has email.

That's fine, I'm in no rush, just curious ... thans!

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:43:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills

I believe that p*ntiac was the Ram Air version from the looks of the hood.

But in fairness to the p*ntiac, the truck did red light. But.....I still think
that truck could have taken him.

-Ted



At least the "Green Ford Truck" vs. "Gumby" appeared to be close...

"Uncle Jessy" vs. The Firebird wasn't even close. I don't care if that even
was a V6 (which is rated over 200hp), that was embarassing! If that was my
car, (not that I'd buy one in the first place) I'd be tempted to give it the
same treatment as the previously mentioned pit-diving Tempo!

I just LMAO watching that!












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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: C6 or FMX Bellhousing Clarification
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:46:12 -0500

> Then Wish chimed in:
> >If it bolts to a 400 it'll bolt to a 460 ...
>
> Then John added:
> >I don't think the FMX was ever attached
> >to a 400 as in the 351m/400 family.

Well, guys ... I have a 1976 Ford LTD in my yard that has a
351M bolted up to a FMX ... I dont know if Ford ever bolted
a FMX to a 400 in the factory, but they sure as heck put 'em
on the 351M.

> Yo Paul & Wish & John:
>
> If the tranny is actually an FMX (a big "if"), then it will not bolt to a
460.

If that FMX is like the one in my LTD, it will ...

> The FMX was offered w/ the 400 in the 1973 model year in some
> Torinos and Montegos (and possibly in Rancheros), and that 400
> is the somewhat rare small-block bolt pattern 400 (block casting
> #D3AE-B). That 400 block used the same bell housing bolt pattern
> as the 351C and small-block Fords (289/302/351W).

The FMX also appeared on later model Montego (75-76), Torino,
LTD (75-76), and Thunderbird (77-79) bolted to the 302, 351W
and 351M engines.

> The 385 series engines (429/460) were never equipped with the
> FMX from the factory.

This makes sense, as the FMX was not as heavy duty as the C6, and
the 429/460 series can put out a lot of power.

> As I understand it, a sure way to ID the FMX is by its cast iron case.
> The C6 has an aluminum case.

The FMX has 3 main visible from the outside parts:
Cast aluminum bellhousing, which is removable by taking out 4 bolts
Cast iron main housing which contains the working guts of the transmission
Cast aluminum tail housing.

The C6 has an integrated bellhousing and main guts case, and it is all
made of aluminum.

A FMX transmission *could* theoretically be bolted to a 429 or 460
if it uses the 351M bellhousing, but I don't see why anyone would want
to do that ...




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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:53:32 -0800

Okay, that make sense now. I wondered why the P*ntiac hit the brakes near
the end. Red light or not, that's still pretty damn funny!

I remember going to the High School drags back in the early 80's. There was
middle aged guy there bracket racing a '69 or '70 Mercury station wagon,
complete with 10" slicks and wood paneling.

It was the funniest damn thing to watch. This guy would have the wheel in
one hand, a soda in the other and rip off 12 sec quarters consistently with
that monster. Only saw the hood open briefly and the air cleaner lid said
429-4V. Other than that, I couldn't tell you anything about it other than
it was really cool...

-----Original Message-----
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com [mailto:tfreeman murphyfarms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:44 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford Truck Kills


I believe that p*ntiac was the Ram Air version from the looks of the hood.

But in fairness to the p*ntiac, the truck did red light. But.....I still
think
that truck could have taken him.

-Ted




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From: "Alex Cook" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sanderson FE Shorty Headers Update
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:04:45 GMT



> > We'll see what they say...do you know if they have a web site so
> > that I can provide them with some feedback?

yes, they do: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sandersonheaders.com/
Good luck, Alex.
______________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:09:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: Win or LOSE???

> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
> Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Truck Kills

> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> the truck ... it's obviously not stock ... wish

Gee... I hate to burst a few bubbles, but is it my
imagination or did the Ford truck redlight?!? Looks
that way to me. It could be that the Firebird driver
simply didn't keep on it after checking the light.
Many drivers save their car by not going all out after
a red light... I don't!


> From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
> Re: Ford Truck Kills - forgot Chevy vs Ford!

>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/Gumby-vs-GreenFordTruck.mpg

> You forgot about this one!

Another burst bubble? It looks to me like the chevy
pulled ahead in the end and WON. Anybody? I'm not a
Chevy fan but let's be realistic people!

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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: Re: Win or LOSE???
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:24:30 -0600

Ford trucks rule, and he didn't red light, and the chevy didn't pull out at
the end. hehehe

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Allison [mailto:pssminatl yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 2:10 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Win or LOSE???


> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
> Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Truck Kills

> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> the truck ... it's obviously not stock ... wish

Gee... I hate to burst a few bubbles, but is it my
imagination or did the Ford truck redlight?!? Looks
that way to me. It could be that the Firebird driver
simply didn't keep on it after checking the light.
Many drivers save their car by not going all out after
a red light... I don't!


> From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
> Re: Ford Truck Kills - forgot Chevy vs Ford!

>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/Gumby-vs-GreenFordTruck.mpg

> You forgot about this one!

Another burst bubble? It looks to me like the chevy
pulled ahead in the end and WON. Anybody? I'm not a
Chevy fan but let's be realistic people!

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:38:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Win or LOSE???
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
>> Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Truck Kills
>
>> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
>>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
>> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
>> the truck ... it's obviously not stock ... wish
>
> Gee... I hate to burst a few bubbles, but is it my
> imagination or did the Ford truck redlight?!? Looks
> that way to me. It could be that the Firebird driver
> simply didn't keep on it after checking the light.
> Many drivers save their car by not going all out after
> a red light... I don't!
>
>
>> From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
>> Re: Ford Truck Kills - forgot Chevy vs Ford!
>
>>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/Gumby-vs-GreenFordTruck.mpg
>
>> You forgot about this one!
>
> Another burst bubble? It looks to me like the chevy
> pulled ahead in the end and WON. Anybody? I'm not a
> Chevy fan but let's be realistic people!

I looked at the movies frame by frame, full screen. The Christmas tree never
went green in the black firebird race. Because of the angle I couldn't tell
for sure about the chevy pickup race, but it looked to me like uncle jesse
won that one.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:12:12 -0800
From: Clare Waterman-Storer scripps.edu>
Subject: Re: Win or LOSE???

you guys take all the fun out of it!

John LaGrone wrote:

> >> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
> >> Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Truck Kills
> >
> >> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
> >>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
> >> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> >> the truck ... it's obviously not stock ... wish
> >
> > Gee... I hate to burst a few bubbles, but is it my
> > imagination or did the Ford truck redlight?!? Looks
> > that way to me. It could be that the Firebird driver
> > simply didn't keep on it after checking the light.
> > Many drivers save their car by not going all out after
> > a red light... I don't!
> >
> >
> >> From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
> >> Re: Ford Truck Kills - forgot Chevy vs Ford!
> >
> >>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/Gumby-vs-GreenFordTruck.mpg
> >
> >> You forgot about this one!
> >
> > Another burst bubble? It looks to me like the chevy
> > pulled ahead in the end and WON. Anybody? I'm not a
> > Chevy fan but let's be realistic people!
>
> I looked at the movies frame by frame, full screen. The Christmas tree never
> went green in the black firebird race. Because of the angle I couldn't tell
> for sure about the chevy pickup race, but it looked to me like uncle jesse
> won that one.
>
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Win or LOSE???
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:19:03 -0800

< >

Then you'd no doubt agree that the driver of the C*evy looks an awful lot
like The King of Rock and Roll!

I found Elvis!!! He's drag racing in Texas!

(I think I need a nap...)

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From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:21:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Win or LOSE???

With the f*rebird it was obvious the Ford Truck red lighted, but against the
ch*vy truck......I think that ole Ford had him.

-Ted



you guys take all the fun out of it!

John LaGrone wrote:

> >> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
> >> Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Truck Kills
> >
> >> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
> >>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
> >> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
> >> the truck ... it's obviously not stock ... wish
> >











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From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:08:16 CST

Damn! I want my truck to run like uncle Jessies! Red light or not! Wonder
what he's got under the hood??? Also, that old Ford could have given that GM
product a 2 second head start and STILL would have won the race! Ford Trucks
Forever!!!

Luke Phillips
67 F100 shortbed 240 I6 (460 being built!)
98 Taurus SE

>From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford Truck Kills
>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:53:32 -0800
>
>Okay, that make sense now. I wondered why the P*ntiac hit the brakes near
>the end. Red light or not, that's still pretty damn funny!
>
>I remember going to the High School drags back in the early 80's. There
>was
>middle aged guy there bracket racing a '69 or '70 Mercury station wagon,
>complete with 10" slicks and wood paneling.
>
>It was the funniest damn thing to watch. This guy would have the wheel in
>one hand, a soda in the other and rip off 12 sec quarters consistently with
>that monster. Only saw the hood open briefly and the air cleaner lid said
>429-4V. Other than that, I couldn't tell you anything about it other than
>it was really cool...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com [mailto:tfreeman murphyfarms.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:44 AM
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford Truck Kills
>
>
>I believe that p*ntiac was the Ram Air version from the looks of the hood.
>
>But in fairness to the p*ntiac, the truck did red light. But.....I still
>think
>that truck could have taken him.
>
>-Ted
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:33:58 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills

Thanks for your message at 11:53 AM 3/8/00 -0800, Southerland, Rich. Your
message was:
>Okay, that make sense now. I wondered why the P*ntiac hit the brakes near
>the end. Red light or not, that's still pretty damn funny!


I don't know why everyone is so surprised! I take Camaros and Firebirds
all the time in my Unibody Cleveland...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:40:57 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills

Thanks for your message at 04:08 PM 3/8/00 CST, Luke Phillips. Your message
was:
>Damn! I want my truck to run like uncle Jessies! Red light or not! Wonder
>what he's got under the hood??? Also, that old Ford could have given that GM
>product a 2 second head start and STILL would have won the race! Ford Trucks
>Forever!!!

...Cut to Terry "The Toad" Fields assuring John Milner "You had him,
man...You're the King..." in American Graffiti right after the big race
against Bob Falfa...





Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Bolt together boxes?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:43:59 -0800

The box that had me wondering what it was, is one of the aftermarket jobs.
It was installed, undercoated and painted by one of the best body shops in
town and was returned cause of rust shortly thereafter. It's been redone but
by the sounds of it, this may be something that's going to come back and
haunt them.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.

From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:14:29 EST
Subject: Re: Bolt together boxes?

I have a friend who has one. It is made in Japan and sold by a body panel
place . I can say...yea....it looks nice when installed. It now is falling
apart, most of the welds seperated from each other.



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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:54:49 -0800

I'm not sure whether the front wheels didn't come off the ground a tiny bit.
Gotta love it!
Pat



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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:11:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust (round 2)!

At 08:09 AM 08:03:2000 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>I was told to paint the exhaust pipe
>> white and where it stops burning is where it needs to go. Is this true or
>> not?
>
>Seems like that's what I've been told was the correct way to do it a few
>times ...someone once came up with a source that "proved" it, but don't
>remember who off hand...
>

Mighta' been me, the area the paint bubbles and burns
first is the reversion point, or the point the exaust gasses
stop moving downstream. If the H pipe is put there, there
is a scavenging effect because the pulse in the other side
just created a lower pressure in the H tubing....

Okay John?



Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: RLedlow20 aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:51:35 EST
Subject: 351C Firing Order

I have a 79 Ford truck with a 351 Cleveland engine. Can someone tell me what
the firing order is?
Thanks,
Roger

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:13:37 -0800

1-3-7-2-6-5-4

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


----- Original Message -----
From: aol.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 5:51 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351C Firing Order


> I have a 79 Ford truck with a 351 Cleveland engine. Can someone tell me
what
> the firing order is?




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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:14:12 -0500

Bill,

Ummm.... where's 8? ;-)

-Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer pacifier.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 9:09 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351C Firing Order


>1-3-7-2-6-5-4
>



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From: ClemmerMustangJC aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:20:26 EST
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order

good observation no 8! :)

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:29:16 -0800

Picky, picky, OK...1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8...better? Actually a little known secret
of the Clevelands is that they were sooo powerful on 7 cylinders that they
had to eliminate firing the 8th cylinder lest they embarrass all of the big
blocks...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


----- Original Message -----
From: Ted and Sarah Freeman ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:14 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351C Firing Order


> Bill,
>
> Ummm.... where's 8? ;-)
>




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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:30:48 -0500

I hope you know I was just razzing you a little....

You right about the power of the "C". It's a puller!

-Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer pacifier.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 9:24 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351C Firing Order


>Picky, picky, OK...1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8...better? Actually a little known secret
>of the Clevelands is that they were sooo powerful on 7 cylinders that they
>had to eliminate firing the 8th cylinder lest they embarrass all of the big
>blocks...
>
>"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ted and Sarah Freeman ford-trucks.com>
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:14 PM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351C Firing Order
>
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Ummm.... where's 8? ;-)
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:29:09 -0600
Subject: Re: Carb woes
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>

Robert,
In the event that the JB weld doesn't hold forever there are other ways
to plug the holes. Is there room to drive rivets through and peen them
over? When we used to convert standard 2GC's to end carbs for 3 deuce
setups we blocked the idle circuits with lead shot peened. Easy, cheap,
effective.
Brett
Super75cab

> What happened is that when I used the easy out to remove the
>filter stub, I punched a hole in this smaller reservoir, then another
hole
>in the bowl. Presto two holes where there should be none.

>Robert


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From: ClemmerMustangJC aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:35:06 EST
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order

Yeah friend of mine has a 351C in his 69 Mach I, oh yes i halls my friends,it
halls!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:33:38 -0500
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Any 73-79 Shortbed 2x4's alive?

Hey All-- I just want to ask you guys to keep an eye open for me.

I've finally gotten to a point in my life where I know using my '76 F-250
4x4 manual steering stickshift beast as a daily driver to work wearing a
suit and tie just ain't gonna happen much longer. I need to pick me up
some sort of economical runner and road-tripper.

I've been looking for about 2 years now for a 73-79 (preferrebly 78 or
79) shortbed, 2 wheel drive, CLEAN truck. I will take any motor/tranny,
but would LOVE to find a 300, or 302 with a mexican toploader (3 speed with
overdrive).

If any of you guys have such a truck to sell, i would be extremely
interested in it. Lets just say location doesn't really matter, the
cleaner the better, and yes, I'm prepared to pay a good price for a good
truck. Original faded paint is better to me than a fresh repaint. no
bondo, no rust holes.

Keep your eyes open, or contact me if you are willing to sell or know
anybody who is. You get $100 bucks finders fee if I buy the truck and help
with the deal.

Thanks-

Tony Marino


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:48:18 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 351C Firing Order

I'll agree with that, humm a 79 with a 351C... didn't know they put them
in a truck... is this true? or has this engine been switched like mine?
Mike in Burien


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:56:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases

Three news articles from Ford Motor Company have been added to the
web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/


1. Pricing, Job #1, Set for Limited Edition 2000 Harley-Davidson
F-150
2. Army Explores Commercial Technologies For New, Maximum-Performance
Pickup Trucks
3. Ford Super Tough Concept Truck is Tough Enough for U.S. Military

Enjoy!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:35:20 -0600
From: David Cole earthlink.net>
Subject: T-18 to 5 speed??

Hi all, new to the list. I've been on the 80-96 list for a long time, but
this is my first post here.

Do any list members know of a heavy duty 5 or 6 speed trans that will work
with an FE?

A good friend has a 69 1-ton car hauler for his drag car. He bought the
truck new and it is cherry. Perfect custom paint, interior etc. Less than
150K miles. Powered by a 390 with performer intake, 750 vac sec, few other
mods. The trans is a T-18 4-speed. The trans is in need of a rebuild, has
a bad vibration.

He is looking to perhaps replace it with a 5 or 6 speed. Anyone know of
one? Also had the idea of adapting one of the 99-2000 6 speeds to it if
the adapter plate/ input shaft question could be solved. He bought a used
Gear Vendors overdrive for it recently, but it turns out it is bad and Gear
Vendors wants $1500 + for a rebuild, plus shipping round trip. Alabama to
California. Not cheap.

Any input appreciated.

Later,

David Cole


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:12:47 -0800
From: CLAUDE JONES phonewave.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

Steve I'm in Nevada about 65 miles east of Reno.
Claude....


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:24:03 -0800
From: CLAUDE JONES phonewave.net>
Subject: Re: That sounds like a '61

Dennis
Your right about that grille :o), I can spot a 64,65, and 66 right off
but have trouble with the earlier ones! lol Now what can I blame that
on? old age, eye sight, or selective memory? Uhhhh I pick door # 3
LOL...........

Claude
66 F250


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From: "Bill Richardson" hotmail.com>
Subject: Ford Bronco Dash Replacement
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:17:52 CST

Okay ya'll here's the deal. I came back from Mardi Gras and found out how
immature college students really are. The radio was stolen out of my 1989
Bronco II. The dash was broken and I need to get a new one. I know this
isn't the right mail group, but I was just wondering if anyone knows of a
place where i can get a replacement dash in he meantime. I have the original
radio that i'll put in this weekend. It doesn't have to be brand new. My 79
F-100 is going to be completed this summer, I just need something to hold
the radio for now. Thanks in advance.
Bill Richardson
lsuraider79 aol.com
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From: "Neal Kitchen" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: sanderson headers
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:31:31 EST

Hey... all interested, check out www.sandersonheaders.com Sometimes the
most simplest things are the last we think of. =)

Neal Kitchen
Dacula, GA
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From: "George W. Selby, III" ibox.net>
Subject: Ford Dealer woes.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:15:14 -0500

I live in a small town of about 5000 people, and go to school at a larger
city of 50k people about 10 miles away. I needed the clutch adjusting rod
that goes between the equalizer bar and clutch fork, as the PO had totally
rigged something up that had tremendous play in it. I called my small town
dealer and asked for the part. I have been in there several times and thy
have usually been quite helpful. Today the parts guy tells me the older
trucks aren't in his computer system, and he will have to look on
microfilm, but the microfilms are hard to read due to age and he might not
be able to see the parts number, and if he does read it, the part might not
be available, and if it is, he surely doesn't have it there in stock. But
give me your phone number and I'll call you and tell you what I find. I go
about my day and he never calls (Isn't Caller ID great, I already know the
dealership phone shows up on my Caller ID, too.)

So the next day I go class, and when I get out I go to the Ford dealer in
the larger city. I tell him what I need, and he punches a few numbers on
his computer, walks to the back, and emerges with the exact part I need.
BTW The clutch adjusting rod is the same for all transmissions, 2wd, 4wd,
for 78 anyway. It costs $26.

The funny thing is the small town dealer advertises heavily in the larger
town that the extra 10 mile drive to his dealership is good, since it gets
you to personal, friendly service, not like the cold impersonal treatment
you get at the big city dealer.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
digiman ibox.net


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From: "George W. Selby, III" ibox.net>
Subject: Found new source of steering slop.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:16:00 -0500

Well, I was checking out my truck for my upcoming trip to Tellico OHV area
near Murphy, NC. I have fixed the clutch play, and now have a smooth
shifting truck. I have been trying to eliminate all the excess play in
the steering. I was turning the steering wheel while leaning against the
truck while trying to look at the linkages for play. I felt the truck move
during the 1st 1/4 turn of the wheel, rather than the wheels. I crawled
under and started examining things. I noticed the spacer block (Rancho
lift kit) for the track arm looked a little loose. Sure enough, the bolts
securing it were loose, and the plate that had been fabricated to hold the
block to the frame was deformed. I tightened the nuts down, and almost all
of the play was eliminated from the wheel. I'll make a new plate from
thicker steel tomorrow. What little play is left I can attribute to the
loose steering wheel U-joint.

But while I had the front end off the ground, I figured I'd check the front
wheel bearings, and lucky me, the PS side had water penetration, and the
bearing was rusting out. So in addition to the plate tomorrow, It'll be a
front wheel bearing job, too.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
digiman ibox.net


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 400 intake manifold
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:52:05 -0500

Only one I know of for sure is the Offy, 360 degree which PAW has a full
sheet spread on. I plan to use this on my next 460 but have no info on it
yet.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>A while back I remember someone mentioning an intake manifold for the
>400 that would allow the use of a Quadrajet. Does anyone have anymore
>info on it?

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust (round 2)!
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:58:49 -0500

The articles I've read all say roughly 36" from the ports or about at the
end of the collectors and about 3/4 of the diameter of the exhaust pipe.
There are H kits that have smooth transitions which might be a better choice
than welding them in. I'm not familiar with the "burn in" technique but
have seen it mentioned on the list.

As long as it's smooth, I believe anything you do to balance the flow will
help so I wouldn't get too concerned about it, just fit it where it's most
convenient, as close to the collectors as possible and you should gain most
of the benefits.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Where does it need to be installed? I was told to paint the
>exhaust pipe
>white and where it stops burning is where it needs to go. Is
>this true or
>not? Please help! Thanks,

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From: "James Elliott" email.msn.com>
Subject: C6's not all equal
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:16:15 -0600

Well, I am still alive, just been too busy to do anything but lurk. I have
my 69 2wd all torn apart doing a complete refurb. It will have new paint,
some interior changes, a new slightly modified 390 and a rebuilt C6.
That leads to the post. I noted Azie's comment that not all C6's are created
equal. Well, I have learned that is true! Mine has a 2-piece cast-iron tail
housing. It is not even documented in the 69 factory manuals I have, but
appears to be original to the truck. I have also been told by a
dyed-in-the-wool ford guy I have met along the way that the cast iron units
were the "heavy duty ones" used a lot in trucks and police cars. As it turns
out, when I bought the rebuild kit, I had to go back and get a different
rear seal. When I went searching for a speedometer gear, the transmission
parts house freaked out that it was steel. The local Ford truck-only dealer
freaked when I showed them the gear, and swore they had never seen nor heard
of anything like it being used in a C6, nor of a cast-iron tail housing, nor
of the fact that the speedo drive gear is a separate piece, not cut integral
into the output shaft.
As a minor note, using the Haynes transmission book as a partial guide in
the rebuild, there was one retaining ring I kept looking for until I noticed
the little footnote under a photograph saying that "transmissions with
flanged output shafts, such as used often in trucks do not have this
retainer" which matched with my reality. So, at least there is some
acknowledgement somewhere that there is some validity to this setup.

Just more arcane info for the records.

Jim Elliott
Nashville, TN
'69 F-100 Explorer



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:02:28 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: Ford Dealer Woes

At 03:15 AM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
Today the parts guy tells me the older
>trucks aren't in his computer system, and he will have to look on
>microfilm, but the microfilms are hard to read due to age and he might not
>be able to see the parts number, and if he does read it, the part might not
>be available, and if it is, he surely doesn't have it there in stock.
>George Selby

____________________________

George
The words you have uttered above is the same line of "bull-crapp" that
dealer parts men have been telling us old Truck/Car owners now for 10
years! In all the 15 years that I have been dealing in NOS & New OEM parts
as part of my hobby I have heard these words time & time again. And this is
nothing short of PURE LAZINESS on the part of the counter man! In Georges
case the man finally did look up the item and just happened to have it in
stock. But the parts man delayed him another 24 hours because of his laziness.

For one, counter men don't like to be bothered with having to look up parts
on the old Microfilms because it is slower than their computer. The Ford
computer system only has break downs for 1980 and newer autos. Plus many
dealerships have moved their microfilm machines to the back room well away
from the front counter. Second, micro films are no harder to read than what
is on the computer system. Part break downs are drawn up the same, font
size is the same, etc. etc. And age has nothing to do with it. If their
films is bad then they can order new ones from Ford.... Third, it is just
too darn easy for them to say that parts for a 25 year old truck would not
be available anymore. This one gets my goat more than anything! In fact
many parts that are vital to a trucks operation such as Electrical &
Mechanical items ARE still available through Ford!! In fact, I often wonder
how many part numbers have been dropped by Ford due to low sales BECAUSE
there dealer's parts men have refused to look them up.... And last, the
chances are much better that the dealer won't have the items in stock but
they do receive deliveries From Ford twice a week and can order this for
you. And if the part is on back order through Ford or is obsolete then they
can use there National parts locater to try to find another dealer around
the country that has the item.

Folks, if you encounter these kind of excuse's at your dealership, then you
tell the parts man to "get off of his Lazy-As* and go look them up"!! If he
gives you the run-around then go to the dealership manager.

Good Luck!!

Dan Herrmann

1964 F100 Custom Cab
1966 F100 Custom Cab
1969 F100 Ranger
1975 F150 Explorer
1979 F150 Ranger XLT



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From: Marvin Meyer strat.net>
Subject: No more alternators and 42V systems
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:32:51 -0500

This looks interesting;
A company making a small fuel cell to power on board electronics and
accessories. Can any one remember the HP required to run things like alt,
waterpump, a/c??. Here's the link in refrence to it....


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