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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #31 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 06 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 031 In This Issue: Sanderson FE Shorty Headers Update '63 T Bird Diesel Re: FE '63 T-Bird Re: FE '63 T-Bird Re: 351C questions. Re: FE '63 T-Bird Re: 61-67 econolines. : 460 Exhaust Re: FE '63 T-Bird Re: FE '63 T-Bird Re: : Re: 460 Exhaust Re: FE '63 T-Bird Bolt together boxes? Support Rib needed, E250 Van pickup tranny hump 460 Exhaust Re: pickup tranny hump Re: pickup tranny hump Re: pickup tranny hump "Missed" issues... Re: List 'O Blocks value of 1973 Ranger Swing away mirrors and NP435 400 intake manifold Re: value of 1973 Ranger Re: List 'O Blocks Re: value of 1973 Ranger Re: C6 Bellhousing Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification Re: value of 1973 Ranger Ford Trucks are everywhere Re: value of 1973 Ranger Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out of electric choke revisited ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDIJXS aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:10:20 EST Subject: Sanderson FE Shorty Headers Update Hey Mark, Yes, I did the silicone-only deal first, but it looked like one or two of the outlets was leaking. I found the copper gaskets through JCW, but I'm sure they can be found other places. On the next set of Sandersons I get, I would like to ask them to do a couple of things...namely, increase the weld area where the flanges bolt up to the head so that the gaskets will automatically line up and move the collector on the passenger side out about 1/2 inch so we don't have to bash in the side of the collector to clear the oil pan. We'll see what they say...do you know if they have a web site so that I can provide them with some feedback? CJ ------------------------------ From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: '63 T Bird Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:13:15 -0500 Joe DeL. writes: >>Group while junkyard hunting this weekend i came across a 63 T-Bird with get this full leather interior, power windows,power seats..I was Amazed!!!Anyway the engine has a 4bbl on it and the engine tag on the motor says 357????Was this a FE Motor????Was the 4bbl worth taking??How about the power seats?? can they be used in a truck??<< Bet thet 7 is really a 2 and that it has a 352" motor. They were common and I believe standard for a few years about that time frame. It could be a 390, as they were also common options and standard about that same time frame. At any rate It is most likely FE, unless it has been swapped out. If the intake manifold goes under the rocker arm covers, then it is definately FE... As to the worth, that is up to the individual.. I like FE's.. I also like the early FOMOCO 4bbls. They were so simple, yet so dependable. Not really excellent for gas mileage nor performance, but just good all around 4bbls. My preference in intakes for the FE however is the '68 model, which can be identified by the P/N cast into the intake beginning with C8__-____-_. You can also save around 70 # or so by using an aluminum intake on the FE. Those cast Iron ones weigh around 80# or so, and are back breakers. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al ------------------------------ From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: Diesel Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:21:30 -0500 Brett writes: >>My kid brother scrounged up a '64 F100 for sale that has become the recipient of a Ford 6000 tractor diesel engine. I remember that these were fairly common swaps 20 years ago or because it was an easy swap. Does anybody know any particulars of this 6 cylinder diesel? Displacement? Horsepower? Torque? Ever turbocharged? Can you still get rebuild parts like pistons, injection pumps, etc.? With the 3 spd OD. it gets 28-35 MPG and that's got my attention.<< Don't know the particulars, but Ford Tractor took the regular big truck of that time and took the block and made a deisel out of it. Parts are still available through aftermarket Farm stores around the country, and probably from Ford Tractor(New Holland, that is).. They are very reliable I understand. I've never owned one, but I do know of quite a few still in operation as tractors. By the way, all those tractors were automatic transmissions,,, Your local New Holland dealer should be able to give you all the torque and HP figures... Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al ------------------------------ From: "Moore, Jimmy" Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:53:45 -0600 At risk of sounding dumb, what does FE stand for? -----Original Message----- From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:am14 daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:13 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [61-79-list] '63 T Bird Joe DeL. writes: >>Group while junkyard hunting this weekend i came across a 63 T-Bird with get this full leather interior, power windows,power seats..I was Amazed!!!Anyway the engine has a 4bbl on it and the engine tag on the motor says 357????Was this a FE Motor????Was the 4bbl worth taking??How about the power seats?? can they be used in a truck??<< Bet thet 7 is really a 2 and that it has a 352" motor. They were common and I believe standard for a few years about that time frame. It could be a 390, as they were also common options and standard about that same time frame. At any rate It is most likely FE, unless it has been swapped out. If the intake manifold goes under the rocker arm covers, then it is definately FE... As to the worth, that is up to the individual.. I like FE's.. I also like the early FOMOCO 4bbls. They were so simple, yet so dependable. Not really excellent for gas mileage nor performance, but just good all around 4bbls. My preference in intakes for the FE however is the '68 model, which can be identified by the P/N cast into the intake beginning with C8__-____-_. You can also save around 70 # or so by using an aluminum intake on the FE. Those cast Iron ones weigh around 80# or so, and are back breakers. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:06:49 -0600 Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird From: "John LaGrone" > At risk of sounding dumb, what does FE stand for? Ford-Edsel -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Alex Cook" Subject: Re: 351C questions. Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:19:21 GMT Sorry I am sooooo sluggish responding to this thread, think its the Northwest weather. Besides, I've just been generally overwhelmed lately. Thanks for all your input on 351C intake manifolds, but i still haven't decided which one is for me!! There seemed to be a little confusion over the engine though. I will stay with the 2v heads for sure, just wanting a 4bbl intake--I know the 4v head set up is no good for trucks. Does anyone know of a website or an article from an old magazine that has comparative intake data from dyno tests, all other things being equal? Doesn't have to be a Cleveland, I'm just frustrated I haven't found anything like this. I'd love to see the HP/torque data from an edelbrock/Weiand/Offy intake 'shootout'. GARY: The offy manifold is definitely for a Cleveland, and not for 351m, and the carb plate is for standard holley 4bbl. Sorry. Thanks again for all your prompt responses, and keep those fords alive! Alex. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Moore, Jimmy" Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:22:33 -0600 Where does the Edsel come in at? What is it, what does it mean? -----Original Message----- From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 1:07 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FE '63 T-Bird > At risk of sounding dumb, what does FE stand for? Ford-Edsel -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Alex Cook" Subject: Re: 61-67 econolines. Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:28:34 GMT Mac's auto parts is a good source (as was suggested,) but if your not on the east coast, shipping mean $$$. www.bwautoparts.com and www.nwfalcons.com are both good alternate sources for parts. Good luck, and consider yourself fortunate that you have an 'early', at least you get parts! Alex. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: : 460 Exhaust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:25:24 -0800 Oh God help us, it's catching!! Run, run for your life. Pat Your idea sounds good to me, Gary. JCW used to sell some one into four tail pipe tips, zoom, baloney, or pencil tip. There is certainly nothing wrong with 3" pipes. Jet propulsion..... -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:36:50 -0600 > Where does the Edsel come in at? What is it, what does it mean? > wow, where do these kids come from (said the 25yr. old) ... Edsel was a model line just like Mercury and Lincoln for about 4 years (57-60) ... we just had this discussion on the performance list, maybe its made its way into the archives too ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:42:06 -0600 Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird From: "John LaGrone" > Where does the Edsel come in at? What is it, what does it mean? > >> At risk of sounding dumb, what does FE stand for? > > Ford-Edsel The FE was originally designed for the Ford and Edsel lines. If you mean what is an Edsel, it was a short lived Ford Motor Company line of the late 50s early 60s. There was also the MEL engine family for Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln. Some one else is going to have to step in for more details. back in those years I was mere child (no, really, I was). On top of that I was influenced by the dark side in my early automotive years. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: : Re: 460 Exhaust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:42:00 -0600 > Is there a real > advantage to > running dual exhausts Of course there is, otherwise why would you see so many Civic's trying to run a dual system ? ;) > or can the same performance be gotten from > a well set > up two-into-one. I know on bikes a single can do wonders and I kinda like > the higher rpm sound of a single I think the big difference here is the airflow ... a 400cu in. motor needs a lot more air than a 40cu. in ... then couple that with the pulse effects we were talkin about on an h-pipe, they're not quite as dramatic here probably, but they still operate mostly the same ... I don't think a properly setup single system will show much advantage or disadvantage over a properly setup dual system, the advantage of the dual system is that they're smaller pipes which are easier to work with and cheaper to buy, but a single system is fewer bends if it fits :) I just had this discussion with a friend of mine about his Jeep, we decided to run a single style just because the underside of the truck wasn't really built for duals (being 4wd and all) ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:49:15 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: FE '63 T-Bird Ford- Edsel. There's no such thing as a dumb question. Jason Moore, Jimmy wrote: > At risk of sounding dumb, what does FE stand for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:am14 daimlerchrysler.com] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:13 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [61-79-list] '63 T Bird > > Joe DeL. writes: >>Group > while junkyard hunting this weekend i came across a 63 T-Bird with get > this > full leather interior, power windows,power seats..I was Amazed!!!Anyway > the engine has a 4bbl on it and the engine tag on the motor says > 357????Was > this a FE Motor????Was the 4bbl worth taking??How about the power > seats?? > can they be used in a truck??<< > > Bet thet 7 is really a 2 and that it has a 352" motor. They were common > and I believe standard for a few years about that time frame. It could be > a 390, as they were also common options and standard about that same time > frame. At any rate It is most likely FE, unless it has been swapped out. > If the intake manifold goes under the rocker arm covers, then it is > definately FE... > As to the worth, that is up to the individual.. I like FE's.. I also like > the early FOMOCO 4bbls. They were so simple, yet so dependable. Not > really excellent for gas mileage nor performance, but just good all around > 4bbls. My preference in intakes for the FE however is the '68 model, which > can be identified by the P/N cast into the intake beginning with > C8__-____-_. You can also save around 70 # or so by using an aluminum > intake on the FE. Those cast Iron ones weigh around 80# or so, and are > back breakers. > > Azie Magnusson > Ardmore, Al > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: Bolt together boxes? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:44:12 -0800 Howdy Folks, Yesterday I was visiting some folks and as usual when there's a 73-79 Ford around I'm looking at it. This is a really nice frame off 79 F250 SuperCab 4X4 460 C-6. The amazing thing about this one, apart from -0- rust on the rocker panels aft. of the doors, was the box. It's new, appears stock as the day is long and is bolted together. I havn't found out where it came from yet, but the whole unit is bolted together, no tack welds. Nice unit!! Any idea where this thing came from? Pat Patsplace 77 F250 4X4 78 F150 W/Overloads 72 Ranger parts truck 79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction) 78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT. ------------------------------ From: "Robert Gunter" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0800 Subject: Support Rib needed, E250 Van Greetings all, I am looking for the main support rib on the drivers side of a 77 Ford E250. There is one that goes down through the floor and would appear to be the main support for the right side of the van. Problem is, mine is gone. The local wrecking yard wants $75 to light the torch to cut one out. Anyone have one or a suggestion? I am thinking of making one myself by tracing the form onto some plywood and glueing them together. I want to make a plywood wall on the drivers side (no window until the rear) so I can strap gear onto it. This would be a lot easier if I could just put a new rib on. Of course, even if I get the new rib, I have to get the remnants of the old one out of the recess in the floor. It was cut of quasi-flush with the recessed hole. Any suggestions? Thanks, Rob G. The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6 Tranny. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:12:05 -0600 Subject: pickup tranny hump From: "John LaGrone" Last week we were discussing whether or not the tranny hump was stamped for the access plates needed on a manual. I didn't pull up my carpet, but I did slide underneath over the weekend. Henry's floor is stamped with the access plate pattern. I figure they stamped them all, then punched the ones destined for manual trannies. One other note, my tranny hump is not centered. The floor board area on the driver's side is bigger than the passenger side area. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:16:24 -0600 Subject: 460 Exhaust From: "John LaGrone" > Oh God help us, it's catching!! Run, run for your life. > Pat No, I don't think it's catching. I already had it. SWMBO tried to cure me, but gave up long ago. Now she figures she doesn't want to stifle my creativity. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: pickup tranny hump Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:25:18 -0600 >One other note, my tranny hump is not > centered. The floor board area on the driver's side is bigger than the > passenger side area. > This makes sense since the motor is offset a few inches the tranny would have to be too wouldn't it ? ;) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:57:29 -0600 Subject: Re: pickup tranny hump From: "John LaGrone" >>One other note, my tranny hump is not >> centered. The floor board area on the driver's side is bigger than the >> passenger side area. >> > > This makes sense since the motor is offset a few inches the tranny would > have to be too wouldn't it ? ;) > Sure, Bill, anything you say, Bill. I suppose the tranny (C6 anyway) has more mass to the passenger side, but the output shaft comes out at the truck centerline? Last week someone said they measured axles and the right and left are the same length. I guess even if the tranny output shaft was a couple inches right everything would still work OK. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: pickup tranny hump Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:27 -0600 > >>One other note, my tranny hump is not > >> centered. The floor board area on the driver's side is bigger than the > >> passenger side area. > >> > > > > This makes sense since the motor is offset a few inches the tranny would > > have to be too wouldn't it ? ;) > > > > Sure, Bill, anything you say, Bill. Thanks John, I knew you'd see it my way .... > I suppose the tranny (C6 anyway) has > more mass to the passenger side, but the output shaft comes out > at the truck > centerline? Seriously though, the motor in my truck sure isn't centered in the frame rails ... a quick look at the fan shroud will prove that ... I would guess the motor is actually angled (like airplanes do, but probably not for the same reasons) so the output shaft will indeed be at the center of the truck, but probably not straight on ... > Last week someone said they measured axles and the right and > left are the same length. I guess even if the tranny output shaft was a > couple inches right everything would still work OK. > Probably, considering the length of the drive shafts on most of our trucks ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:15:34 -0800 From: Tim Neasham Subject: "Missed" issues... Can someone please "forward" me all the current digest issues from Friday until Today? I got stupid and deleted them on accident. Thanks. Tim Neasham Benton City, Wa. '69 F-250 390 2wd ------------------------------ From: canzus seanet.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:31:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: List 'O Blocks At 01:33 AM 02:03:2000 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:45:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, >canzus seanet.com writes: > ><< At 03:44 PM 01:03:2000 -0800, Marv Miller wrote: > >> There are 5 basic ford engines that I am aware of: > >> Windsor blocks: 302, 351w > >> Cleveland blocks: 351c, 400c > >> Modified blocks: 351m, 400m > >> FE blocks: 332, 352, 360, 390, 427, 428 > >> and Big blocks: 370, 429, 460 > > >> > >Where do the 331FT, 361FT and 391FT blocks fall in the list? What does FT >stand for? Is it really an FE? > >Rollie Hunt Rollie, my dear lad, you snipped what I wrote, and then credited me for something I didn't post, I'm not upset, nor amused. The engines we were talking about are FE's, not FT's. If you think FE's are heavy iron, you haven't played with FT's.... Sorry for the delay in responding, I just managed to catch up with my e-mail.... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: "Paul Holland" Subject: value of 1973 Ranger Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:06:09 -0700 Help! My 1973 Ford Ranger, 22,000 original miles, cherry condition, V-8, 360 engine, was stolen. I need replacement value for insurance company. Can you help? Need more details? Please advise. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:41:47 -0700 From: Mark Heims Subject: Swing away mirrors and NP435 CJ and all, Auto Krafters has the factory stainless steel swing away mirrors, part number D6TZ-17696A, for $58.95. I was going to order them for my truck, but I found a set in great shape still attached to some doors with XLT doorpanels and Boston Acoustic speakers in them for $75.00. Couldn't pass them up. Last summer CJ wrote about the NP435 transmission with Dana 21 transfer case that he pulled out of his Disco Rig being different than the NP 435 hooked up to the NP 205 transfer case. In the April issue of 4 Wheel & Off Road (Nuts and Bolts section) they explain that the Dana 21 models are 2 wheel drive transmissions with an adapter bolted on. The four wheel drive versions have a different bolt pattern and use a different adapter. Just something to watch for if your looking for a NP435. Montana Mark 1978 Ford F150 4x4 "The Great Pumpkin" http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.initco.net/~mheims/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:26:36 -0700 From: mclough page.az.net (Michael Clough)Subject: 400 intake manifold A while back I remember someone mentioning an intake manifold for the 400 that would allow the use of a Quadrajet. Does anyone have anymore info on it? Any positive or negative experiences? I would like to use the Quadrajet since it is more familiar to me (from my marine repair experience) and also because of the small primaries BIG secondaries. Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:05:23 -0500 From: Dan Herrmann Subject: Re: value of 1973 Ranger At 08:06 PM 3/6/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Help! My 1973 Ford Ranger, 22,000 original miles, cherry condition, V-8, 360 engine, was stolen. I need replacement value for insurance company. Can you help? Need more details? Please advise. > Paul, my condolences go out to you during your time of loss. This may seem weird since we are talking about a material item that can be replaced (very difficult too I will say). But I can Very Much sympathize with you and I do feel your pain! Many of the long term FTE members know that I have been there and done that. Several years ago I completed a two year project restoring my late Fathers 1978 F150 Ranger XLT. When it was all said & done I was driving this truck on Cloud-9! Well, that all ended on a Hot Summer August 6th morning when I came out to leave for work and found the spot in my driveway sitting empty where I had just parked the truck the evening before. The same truck that my Parents had purchased new in 78' was now in the hands of a criminal. I was able to drive it for just over two months after the restore.... This Hurt, and it still does! I cried for days afterwards. It really knocked the wind out of my sails and it took me almost two years before I could regain my interest in the Ford Truck Hobby... Anyway, the Insurance claim turned out to be a "pain-in-the-butt". Unless you have special classic vehicle coverage that is based on a predetermined value that you have set-up and paid for special, then you better be ready to do your homework! I didn't have this on my truck so I spent about a month negotiating with my Insurance carrier over a settlement. In my eyes and checkbook I had spent over $7000.00 in NOS Parts and special bodywork to complete my baby. In the Insurance companies eyes they saw a 17 year old "Junker" that might have been worth $1500. After they spent two weeks searching Classifieds around the U.S. to see what this truck might have been worth they finally decided to pay me the Grand Total of all my receipts for Parts and Labor. This was just over $7000 and I got NOTHING for my personal blood sweat and tears nor for any Value the truck was worth before I started the project. Then they cancelled my long term relationship I had with them after so many years! This was my first claim. But that was Okay! There is too many Insurance companies out there that is hurting for business. I signed up with another the next day! If anyone knows of a special web site that is devoted to stolen vehicle registry and researching VIN numbers to maybe help locate stolen vehicles then let us know! I would love to have a snap shot of mine posted. I would also like to see Ken eventually offer the FTE site a Stolen Truck Registry where we could post our pictures and numbers for all to see. Maybe someday..... I wish you luck my friend!! Dan Herrmann 1964 F100 Custom Cab 1966 F100 Custom Cab 1969 F100 Ranger 1975 F150 Explorer 1979 F150 Ranger XLT 1992 F150 Custom (daily driver) 1992 Tempo GL (wifes car) ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 aol.comDate: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:02:51 EST Subject: Re: List 'O Blocks In a message dated 03/06/2000 9:32:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, canzus seanet.com writes:<< Rollie, my dear lad, you snipped what I wrote, and then credited me for something I didn't post, I'm not upset, nor amused. The engines we were talking about are FE's, not FT's. If you think FE's are heavy iron, you haven't played with FT's.... >> Oh, I guess I goofed in the way I snipped and pasted. Sorry. I did find out that the FT stands for Ford Truck and that FE stands for Ford Edsel. I have a 391FT in my Explorer with 428 cubic inches! It is sick right now though. Has a hole burned into # 8 piston. Not a big problem to repair compared to some other major problems. Kinda pricey on parts for just fixing one piston though. Parts store has some pistons for $37.99 each. I guess it is because they have to break up a set. I agree totally about the FT being heavier iron than the FE. Still, I am a fan of the FE as much as the FT. I am learning plenty about these old engines thanks to the experienced people on the list. Rollie Hunt King N.C. 1976 Explorer, 391FT (428 Cu In) ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: value of 1973 Ranger Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:11:41 -0600 > Help! My 1973 Ford Ranger, 22,000 original miles, cherry > condition, V-8, 360 engine, was stolen. I need replacement > value for insurance company. Can you help? Need more details? > Please advise. > Ouch, its not replaceable, how do you put a price on that ? Your best bet is to get things like the Old Cars Price Guide, Hemmings Motor News, things that list prices for trucks that age and condition ... the classifieds will help some too as another poster said ... I'm sorry to hear about your loss, and wish you the best at whatever your next course of action is. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:22:46 -0800 From: "JB MCIWorld" Subject: Re: C6 Bellhousing yes, I have a c6 on my 72 460 > -----Original Message----- > From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of OAI Electronics:> Paul Rozell > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:52 AM > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-listford-trucks.com> Subject: [61-79-list] C6 Bellhousing > > > Hi All, > I have an opportunity to purchase a C6 tranny for my truck (mines been > acting up for a while). The person wanting to sell the C6 said > that it came > off of a 400 modified??? Will this bellhousing and bolt pattern > fit a 460??? > I figured isntead of researching why not ask all of you. > Thanks for any help. > > Paul Rozell > 65 F100 460 C6 > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:51:05 -0600 ***Clarification*** > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi All, > > I have an opportunity to purchase a C6 tranny for my truck (mines been > > acting up for a while). The person wanting to sell the C6 said > > that it came > > off of a 400 modified??? Will this bellhousing and bolt pattern > > fit a 460??? Talked with the person last night and now he is saying that the tranny is a FMX???? I have heard of them but have no experience with them. A-will this tranny fit my 460? B-is this tranny worth putting on my 460? I realize there will probably be varied opinions but all of them are welcomed. Paul Rozell 65 F100 460 C6 ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:56:50 -0600 > ***Clarification*** > Talked with the person last night and now he is saying that the > tranny is a > FMX???? I have heard of them but have no experience with them. A-will this > tranny fit my 460? If it bolts to a 400 it'll bolt to a 460 ... > B-is this tranny worth putting on my 460? I > realize there > will probably be varied opinions but all of them are welcomed. > You're not jokin here ... we have a few at home behind Windsors, no real problems with them (other than the one being 25+ years old without a rebuild and run hard), the one we have that's "slipping" or "bad" is still getting a second gear scratch with a hopped up 351 in front of it, and the one I had before with a mostly stock 351 ran fine for me (until I broke that telephone pole with the car)... whether it'll live behind a much larger vehicle with a lot more power I can't say for sure, likely not very long in stock trim ... I guess if it were my money I'd shop around for a C6 unless you really need this truck back on the road ASAP or are getting an incredible deal on the FMX and can afford to fix it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:15:10 -0600 Subject: Re: C6 Bellhousing Clarification From: "John LaGrone" > ***Clarification*** >> > -----Original Message----- >> > Hi All, >> > I have an opportunity to purchase a C6 tranny for my truck (mines been >> > acting up for a while). The person wanting to sell the C6 said >> > that it came >> > off of a 400 modified??? Will this bellhousing and bolt pattern >> > fit a 460??? > > Talked with the person last night and now he is saying that the tranny is a > FMX???? I have heard of them but have no experience with them. A-will this > tranny fit my 460? B-is this tranny worth putting on my 460? I realize there > will probably be varied opinions but all of them are welcomed. > > Paul Rozell > 65 F100 460 C6 Paul, I have a bad feeling about this deal. Be careful. First the guy says its one thing, then another. The bottom line here is he doesn't have a clue what it is. I don't think the FMX was ever attached to a 400 as in the 351m/400 family. The FMX would not fare as well behind a 460 as a C6 would. If it was me, I would keep looking for a C6 to put behind my 460. My opinion only. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:15:30 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: value of 1973 Ranger At 01:05 AM 3/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >If anyone knows of a special web site that is devoted to stolen vehicle >registry and researching VIN numbers to maybe help locate stolen vehicles >then let us know! I would love to have a snap shot of mine posted. I would >also like to see Ken eventually offer the FTE site a Stolen Truck Registry >where we could post our pictures and numbers for all to see. Maybe >someday..... Hemmings has a stolen vehicle registry in the back of their magazine every month. I don't know if it's posted on the web site or not. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hemmings.com Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Ford Trucks are everywhere Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:37:11 -0600 Wow, a few of you have heard me say before that the trucks just aren't here in the salvage yards ... well its 'cause they're all still on the roads! Sheesh, I've seen a ton of them with this nice weather we've been having ... including a guy who was selling an early 60's 4x4! it was a 3/4ton with the old style bed on the back of it, all done up in a nice red, I didn't get to stop and look before it sold in less than a week! Been passing quite a few on the roads now on the way to work, which is odd with gas prices going up I figured I'd see even fewer of them ... Anyway we also rented "Double Jeopardy" last night ... its got Tommy Lee Jones and Ashely Judd in it ... for a chunk of the movie she's driving a 73-75 F250 and she uses it ... in one scene in particular you get to hear that wonderful rumble of the V8 as she makes her getaway ... I'll give a little of the movie away here, she doesn't wreck it ! :) Anyway its just a nice feeling to see so many of these trucks back on the road ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: Re: value of 1973 Ranger Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:47:23 PST >>If anyone knows of a special web site that is devoted to stolen vehicle >>registry and researching VIN numbers to maybe help locate stolen vehicles >>then let us know! I would love to have a snap shot of mine posted. I would >>also like to see Ken eventually offer the FTE site a Stolen Truck Registry >>where we could post our pictures and numbers for all to see. Maybe >>someday..... I am currently in the process of building a web page for the restoration project on my 67 F100, I would be glad to start a Stolen Truck Registry on my site if anyone is interested contact me off list. Chris Worley 72 F100 390 67 F100 352 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Kim" Subject: Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out of Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:22:46 -0600 > Excellent! give me a call next time you kill another car or > two! need to post a photo of your f-series pulling the pigs out > of the pit. --------------------------------- Wish I had a camera for one *uneventful* evening years ago... A friend decided he was going to "impress" me with his N*ssan Pathfinder's dune climbing abilities before we had to go to this fancy, mandatory meeting (of course, we all had to be dressed up and all for this thing, a very rare occurance indeed ;-) ). Anyway, he promptly high-centers the Pathfinder on a dune in no time, with no one around to yank the stuck riceburner out. There were no useful tools, etc. on board. And to top it off, he ventured and got stuck in the "illegal zone" --- no vehicles allowed and the fines were hefty. I lived only two miles away, so walked home in high heels and a well, rather *inappropriate* dress for driving a truck (or even walking down a solitary road at night :-~). Got home, grabbed the "Bomber" ['74 F-250 Supercab, 2WD (hee, hee)] to pull his 4WD Pathfinder out. He's always hated the rusty-red "Bomber", but he owed me big time for the pull. Anyway, word spread quick about the incident, since a few of our "buddies" had pulled up just as Bomber lurched the Pathfinder free, and were of course, laughing their heads off! As far as I know, he never went dune hopping again :-). I miss that ol' truck... Kim '76 F-150 4WD ("Tonka", fun, fun fun!) '79 Blazer 4WD (a boat to drive) In memory of "Bomber", '74 F-250 2WD who could climb dunes with the "boys" when the tires were about 10 psi :-) ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:55:26 -0500 From: "J. Doss Halsey" Subject: electric choke revisited Gary et. al., I had some e-mail problems the week we were talking about electric chokes. I may have missed the end of the thread. Did you ever get yours to stay on longer by dropping the voltage to it? After your description of how it works, I checked the adjustment of my choke and found that I had it too rich. The fast idle was not fulling coming off and I had compensated for it with the curb idle screw. My bad. Now that it is adjusted correctly, it does not stay on long enough. Two minutes and it pulls off, leaving the next two minutes of ragged running till the engine warms up fully. Also, in response to the "bog" off idle I was experiencing after the rebuild, I increased the jet size for the accelerator pump by two sizes. The carb is a Holley 4160 derivative on a 390. That helped, but did not cure the problem. The next step was to have the distributor curved. A guy in a local speed shop set it up for me to come in full (mechanical advance) at about 3300 RPM. He said to run it without the vacuum advance and to set the initial advance at about 12 degrees BTDC. I did all that, but it still bogs off idle a little (not when the choke is on, however!). Any advice? Go up on the jet size until I get black smoke on acceleration, then back off? Blame it on the RV cam I installed? Try hooking up the vacuum advance (he pinned it to give a maximum of 5 more degrees)? TIA Doss Halsey '68 F250 camper special, 390 4V, RV cam, Holley 600cfm carb, deluxe two-tone blue and white if it matters. ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #31 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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