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61-79-list Digest Wed, 01 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 024

In This Issue:
Re: y blocks
Re: y blocks
Re: y blocks
Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Re: FE????
Re: Windshield leaks
Re: FE????
351W
78 VAN SPINDLES
Re: 351W
FE's & stuff
Re: Changing transmissions?
Re: FE????
Heavy duty front hub.
9" rears
Re: Oil leak on 351M
Re: Changing transmissions?
Identifying Clevelands
Re: Changing transmissions?
Re: 9" rears
Re: 9" rears
Re: FE????
Re: 9" rears
Re: Oil pan removal
Re: crush collar on ford 9" rears.
Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Re: 9" rears
Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Re: crush collar on ford 9" rears.
Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Re: Automatic starting?
Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Re: Bronco Swap Help
Re: Automatic starting?
Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
'69 360 Carb
Re: '69 360 Carb
Re: '69 360 Carb
Re: FE????
Re: Heavy duty front hub.
Valve cover color
Re: List 'O Blocks
Re: parting out a 69 and a 64
Re: List 'O Blocks
Re: Valve cover color

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: y blocks
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 06:04:55 -0800

T-birds did come with FEs. And I only know of the FE 352 but that doesn't
mean a whole lot. :-)

Tom H


> Where there two 352's or did 1960 T-birds come with FE's?
> What was the
> 430??
>
>

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: y blocks
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:05:37 -0600

> Where there two 352's or did 1960 T-birds come with FE's? What was the
> 430??
>

The 430 was a MEL as far as I know, and the T-birds came with FE's ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: y blocks
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:07:06 -0600

> What about flatheads and modulars?

I don't think you'll find those in a 61-79 truck very often ... and they are
easily identified by their valve/cam arrangements anyway (I've never
confused a flathead for a modular or any other ohv arrangement anyway :)

> > everybody always forgets the Y blocks and MEL engines

And try as we might, someone always reminds us :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:09:31 -0600


> Trouble is, it has no PVC valve. My local
> inspection buddy says it must have one to pass inspection next
> month, among
> other things. Original engine for this truck was a 360.
> Does anyone know how the PVC was plumbed on the 69 429 engine? I
> think the
> 360 had a PVC in one valve cover with hose that ran to the rear carb base,
> if I recall correctly.
>

Yup, and that's how I've seen all the Ford motors do it for years, I'd be
surprised if that wasn't how yours was supposed to be setup too ...

> Another question, where does the brake booster line go to? It is
> currently
> hooked into the rear base of the Holley, and the booster appears to work
> fine. But is this port manifold vacuum?

It likely isn't ... pull it off and I bet the vehicle starts running worse
immediately, if so, then its manifold vac. if it runs exactly the same its
either poorly tuned or ported vac.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: FE????
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:13:36 -0600

> Whats the easiest way to tell the differance between a winsor and
> a cleveland
> just by looking at them ????

For some reason I can just look at the heads and tell the difference, the C
has an indentation that leaves a ridge around the outside of the head ...

The easier way is the thermostat housing ... the W is a wet manifold so the
thermostat points into the manifold directly ... the C is a dry manifold so
the thermostat points down into the block ...

I've been lookin at W's so long I don't even have to think about it I "just
know" :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:05:15 -0600
Subject: Re: Windshield leaks
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> My windshield leaks and I wanted to get some advice. Should I try and stop it
> myself (the moulding is long gone), or have it re-done by a pro.
> Rob G.

Rob,

My windshield used to leak. I used GE clear household silicone in the
squeeze tube to seal between the cab and the gasket and between the two
pieces of the gasket. If you are careful it won't be noticeable. I would try
to seal the gasket itself first. My leaks were in the corners where the
little piece of metal is embedded. I am assuming that vans use the same
style gasket as pickups. Someone now makes a paintable clear sealer that may
be better. At the time I did all of this (about 5 years ago) I didn't care
what it looked like, I was tired of soaking my feet on the way to work. It
still doesn't leak. Henry doesn't know what a garage looks like from the
inside.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:12:23 -0600
Subject: Re: FE????
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I'm wondering, what would the objection to shaft mounted rockers be?

Tom,

The main objection I have heard of is the lack of ability to adjust
individual clearances on solid lifter engines. But as I understand it these
are available for shaft systems, too. Also, shaft rockers are often cast
aluminum where individual rockers are usually stamped steel. You can also
get screw in studs for individual rockers. Let's see that's 16 holes to tap,
lots of metal shavings..no thanks, one was enough. Some engines have offset
valves and would require two shafts or individual rockers.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Patrick Green" thegrid.net>
Subject: 351W
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:17:27 -0800

I am looking for a 351W to put in kit car that I am going to build. I need
a 1973 or earlier engine to pass smog in ca. could any of you please tell
me which models of cars or trucks this came in.

Thanks,
pat






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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:47:18 -0600

Hi all,
Wanted to know if a front end from a 78 1/2 ton Ford van is interchageable
with a pickup. I am wanting to convert to disc brakes on my 65 and I know
the tech article lists 73 to 79 spindles. Does this include vans???
Thanks in advance for any help.
Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: 351W
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:37:20 -0600

> could any of you please tell
> me which models of cars or trucks this came in.
>

All.... well okay not all, but quite a few of them. Not sure if it was
available in trucks, but every model of car from the lowly Falcon (70.5+)
and Fairlane up through the Galaxie and LTD had this as an option, finding
one shouldn't really be too big of a problem, just remember that 351's have
a wider intake than the 302's, a quick measurement will tell you if its a
302 or a 351 that you're looking at.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FE's & stuff
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:44:43 -0500

Ox writes: >> Where there two 352's or did 1960 T-birds come with FE's?
What was the
430?? <<

Only one 352 that I'm aware of and it is FE-- Yes 1960 T-Birds came with
352's. The 430 was(is) MEL.

Someone stated that I get excited about the earlier version Elect OD's Ford
offered... Yep I do. (still have two of them) One of Fords best kept
secrets. It was litterally a tranny that gave us the best of two worlds or
as some say "Have our cake and eat it too". Got good mileage on the road,
yet had very good gearing(4.11:1) for drag racing(or whatever) and only
added about 60 #'s to the total weight of the vehicle. Discontinued the
end of the '73's. Georgous Monsters also offered(in Ch*bbys only) a
Saginaw OD unit quite similar to the Borg Warner units Ford used, but it
was a much weaker transmission and would self destruct much easier than the
BW units. Offered '54 thru '56 for sure, but I believe discontinued for
'57.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al



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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Changing transmissions?
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:37:29 -0500

Once drove a Renault (64 I think) with 4 on the tree, used a cable setup to
operate the lingage etc..

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>> Yeah, didn't think "5 on the tree" was a possibility.
>>
>
>Would be a pretty neat trick though .. imagine trying to find all those
>gears up there :)

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: FE????
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:41:45 -0500

I always just look at the thermostat housing. All 335 engines have a "dry"
intake manifold. Virtually all other ford engines (later ones at least) are
wet so the thermostat housing is on the manifold on these and on the block
on the 335's.

Diff between the 385's and small blocks it simply size :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Whats the easiest way to tell the differance between a winsor
>and a cleveland
>just by looking at them ????

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From: "Joe Scott" hotmail.com>
Subject: Heavy duty front hub.
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:45:04 MST

Hi there. I have a 79 F-250 4X4. I have a dana 44 axle in the front, and
just recently I got a new/used dana 44 axle that I decided to rebuild. I
put a limited slip in it, and then when I put it on my truck, I put the real
big hubs on it that came on this new axle. Only problem was that one of the
spindles for these hubs was bent slightly. The next problem is how can I
replace this thing. Can't find one anywhere. FORD says that they can't get
em. Salvage yards don't have em around here. It's not the same as the
tapered hubs, they have a spindle that is 4 inches long from the base.
These have to be clsoe to 4and 1/2 inches long. I can't find one. Does
anyone on here have one, or know where I can get one. HELP!!!
______________________________________________________


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: 9" rears
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:25:35 -0500

Ox writes: >>I'm sure most of you have seen my rebuild article on 9"
rears. I am
submitting it to the tech page, but would like to get opinions on pinion
nut torque, pinion bearing preload and crush collar "crushing" :-).
Check out part 16 on this for what I have now and tell me what you
think.<<

I don't have WWW access, so I can't see your article.. This last week I
have completely gone thru a 9" for the purpose of changing ratios and also
upgrading to the 31 spline axles the same time, and these are some of my
discoveries. All these apply to just the truck 9" and not the car 9".

Every truck axle I measured in length was the same regardless of splines or
side... No left and right side in other words!!!

There are at least 3 different axles with 31 splines for the 9". Two
different flat roller bearings and one with tapered rollers. All 3 bearings
have different ID's, so you can't just take one type bearing off and
install another .. Won't work

There are three(at least) different end plates(that flat piece on the end
of the axle that fits onto the same studs that hold the backing plate on
and holds the bearing/axle assy in the housing). Two different hole
spacings vertically, and two different hole sizes for the studs.

The 31 spline axle will not go into the spool for a 28 spline(too big). I
fully meant to just change out the axle gears on either side of the spiders
and use the same spool... Wrong...

If my memory serves me correctly I think we torqued the yoke nut to 270 ft
lbs to crush the crush sleeve. Can't remember for sure, but that seems
correct. Also had to get something like 12 inch lbs rotational torque on
the yoke after seating the bearings and crushing the sleeve.

Ask me how I know all of this... Murphy's law was at its best last week.
I found all(I hope) of Fords better ideas in the truck 9".

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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From: "Dave Resch" sybase.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:47:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Oil leak on 351M


>From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
>
>Now comes the hard part if it is an old
>rope type seal - by pulling on the rope seal
>on one side with a pair of needle nose
>pliers, have someone rotate the crankshaft
>the same way you are pulling.

Yo Paul & Azie:

Just a little note about getting out the rope type seal. Older M-blocks that
were originally equipped w/ a rope seal had a pin in the middle of the seal
groove in the block to keep the rope from rotating w/ the crank. The pin looks
just like the sharp end of a little nail.

It is next to impossible to get the rope out working against that pin. I would
recommend that after you drop the crank 1/4" to 1/2" at the rear, pull on both
ends of the rope /w needle-nose pliers to get it to come out of the groove some
and disengage from the pin. Then try to thread a thin strip of metal (a little
narrower than the groove) between the rope and the block to keep the rope from
snagging on the pin and it should come out a lot easier. If you have the pin
(almost certain if you have a rope seal) and you replace the rope seal w/ the
neoprene type, be careful not to tear up the new neoprene seal by catching it on
the pin. Locate the seal before you push it down into the groove. Poking the
pin through the neoprene once it's in position in the groove won't hurt it,
since it just pokes through the back of the seal and doesn't affect the sealing
surfaces.

Still hope you don't have to drop the crank to solve your problem. Good luck.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: "Eric" scican.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:12:06 +0000
Subject: Re: Changing transmissions?

> From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
> Subject: Re: Changing transmissions?
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:14:27 -0600
> Remember you can get a floor with a hole cut in it already from a scrap yard
> likely and bolt that in ... at least the 73-79 had the center section that
> you could unbolt, I guess I always assumed the 67-72's did too ... anyone
> know when they started that ?

My '61 Unibody has got the removeable tranny cover with a factory
hole for the T98.

Eric 'Stitch'

=============================
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em up Truck
w/'59 292 Y-block
=============================

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From: "Dave Resch" sybase.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:12:46 -0700
Subject: Identifying Clevelands


>From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FE????
>
>Whats the easiest way to tell the differance
>between a winsor and a cleveland
>just by looking at them ????

On 351 Windsors and other small block Ford engines (221/260/289/302), the upper
radiator hose attaches to a thermostat housing on the front of the intake
manifold. On 335 series engines (Cleveland and M-block) the upper radiator hose
attaches to a thermostat housing on the top of the block, just in front of the
intake manifold.

If you can see all the valve cover bolts, small blocks have a total of six bolts
while 335 series engines have eight bolts. If you look along the top flange of
the valve cover (toward the intake manifold), small blocks have one bolt in the
middle, 335 series engines have two bolts between the ends.

Actually, valve cover bolts only identify the head. The block can be identified
by the thermostat housing position.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Changing transmissions?
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:33:49 -0600


> at least the 73-79 had the center
> section that
> > you could unbolt, I guess I always assumed the 67-72's did too
> ... anyone
> > know when they started that ?
>
> My '61 Unibody has got the removeable tranny cover with a factory
> hole for the T98.
>

I guess that covers everyone on the list then huh ? :) I'm sure someone
will know of a truck that doesn't have this panel removable though ... at
least it looks like a fairly safe assumption :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 9" rears
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:52:28 -0500

Harumph! I just used my 3/4" impact........:-) I'm just kidding but I did
really do that and it's holding up pretty well so far :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>If my memory serves me correctly I think we torqued the yoke
>nut to 270 ft

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 9" rears
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:05:55 -0500

That's interesting about the spool or differential housing as one Ford
engineer on the list says ford calls it. Is that the part you mean,
normally called a carrier on this list? Reider racing says they can sell me
the parts to convert my 28 spline traction loc to 31 splines....maybe
there's some "ifff's" there eh? Maybe the traction locs are different? (I
hope :-))

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>The 31 spline axle will not go into the spool for a 28
>spline(too big). I
>fully meant to just change out the axle gears on either side
>of the spiders
>and use the same spool... Wrong...

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: FE????
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:11:28 -0500

One of the easiest ways to tell is to look at the top radiator hose.The
Windsor hose goes into the front of the intake manifold while the Cleveland
hose goes into the top side of the intake.
-----Original Message-----
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:58 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FE????


>Whats the easiest way to tell the differance between a winsor and a
cleveland
>just by looking at them ????
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:11:03 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 9" rears

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>

>
> If my memory serves me correctly I think we torqued the yoke nut to 270 ft
> lbs to crush the crush sleeve. Can't remember for sure, but that seems
> correct. Also had to get something like 12 inch lbs rotational torque on
> the yoke after seating the bearings and crushing the sleeve.
>

Can you explain this better. Does this mean the the torque goes way up
and then comes back down when sleeve crushes and allows the low
rotational torque for bearing pre-load? Does it require further
tightening after crush sleeve crushes? What is the real purpose of a
crush sleeve anyway?

OX

PS, this was what I had in part 16

> 16. INSTALL NEW CRUSH COLLAR ON PINION (SEE PICTURE BELOW). INSTALL REMAINING PINION BEARING, PINION FLANGE,
> AND NEW PINION NUT. HOLDING PINION FLANGE WITH VERY LARGE ADJUSTABLE WRENCH, TORQUE NUT TO 175 FT-LBS.
> ENSURE ROTATIONAL FORCE OF PINION GEAR DOES NOT EXCEED 5-8 IN-LBS FOR NEW BEARINGS OR 8 IN-LBS FOR USED
> BEARINGS. IT IS BEST TO CHECK ROTATIONAL FORCE OFTEN WHILE TORQUEING, AS THE ROTATIONAL FORCE WILL GIVE YOU A
> BETTER INDICATION OF PINION BEARING PRE-LOAD THAN THE PINION NUT TORQUE. TORQUING CLOSE TO, BUT NOT EXACTLY
> TO, THE SPECIFIED TORQUE MAY BE REQUIRED IF ROTATIONAL FORCE LIMIT HAS BEEN REACHED.

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Oil pan removal
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:19:51 -0500

Be very careful here that you don't break the tail housing doing this. The
leverage against the small part of that housing will break it if you pry
against the firewall......don't ask.....:-( It doesn't take as much
pressure as you might think either......Don't assume that the fire wall will
spring a little since it's sheet metal....it doesn't move very much :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I did this with an old '75 F-250 one time.I unbolted the motor
>mounts & the tranny mount & jacked the motor all the way up
>until the tranny hit the floor pan(tranny tunnel) & the pan

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: crush collar on ford 9" rears.
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:42:25 -0500

We're all barking up the wrong tree with all this Dana 60 stuff. I just
read an article in Petersens 4wd and it says the C**** 14 bolt is the
strongest and the axle next to the Dana 60 axle looked positively HUGE!
Looks roughly equivilent to the ford corporate 10-1/4 in the diff, not sure
about axle size though :-) (this in reference to your last few lines in your
article :-) They claim that the 35 spline dana is very rare?? The one in
the picture was a 30 spline where the 14 bolt is a 35.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I'm sure most of you have seen my rebuild article on 9" rears. I am
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/REBUILD9IN/F9inch_rear_end_rebuild.htm
>
> OX

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:43:21 -0800

>>Hi all,
>>Wanted to know if a front end from a 78 1/2 ton Ford >>van is
interchageable
>>with a pickup. I am wanting to convert to disc brakes >>on my 65 and I
know
>>the tech article lists 73 to 79 spindles. Does this >>include vans???
>>Thanks in advance for any help.
>>Paul Rozell
>>65 F100 460 C6

According to my Mitchell Interchange manual, no. The van spindles show
interchangeability only to vans and the trucks only to trucks. Don't know
what the exact difference is, but this book is the same one the junkyards
use and it's usually right on...
(The I beams are different too..)


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 9" rears
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:46:30 -0500

After it crushes it leaves a preload that is calculated to hold the nut in
place and keep the bearing under a preload, not sure what they expeced to
accomplish that way over just using solid spacers as some on the list have
suggested. They certainly do not stay tight apparently since I have tighted
quite a few that came loose. They probably locktite them at the factory :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>tightening after crush sleeve crushes? What is the real purpose of a
>crush sleeve anyway?
>
> OX

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:49:47 -0800

> Trouble is, it has no PVC valve.

PVC = Poly Vinyl Chloride (white plastic used for plumbing, ect)

PCV = Positive Crankcase Ventilation (emission control system)

(Not picking on ya, just lettin' ya know...)

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:02:59 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: crush collar on ford 9" rears.

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> We're all barking up the wrong tree with all this Dana 60 stuff. I just
> read an article in Petersens 4wd and it says the C**** 14 bolt is the
> strongest and the axle next to the Dana 60 axle looked positively HUGE!
> Looks roughly equivilent to the ford corporate 10-1/4 in the diff, not sure
> about axle size though :-) (this in reference to your last few lines in your
> article :-) They claim that the 35 spline dana is very rare?? The one in
> the picture was a 30 spline where the 14 bolt is a 35.
>

True, the 14 bolt rocks for offroad, BUT you need 35" tires to keep it
from draggin on the ground, and that is level ground :-). I can get
whole dana 60's for 65$ and now that I have RS9000's in the back of my
big truck and it does not hop anymore, I have solved my axle breakage
problem. I have a 60 welded in my trail truck with 38.5 SX swampers and
it takes a huge beating without wimpering a bit. Colorado will be the
test for it this summer, I plan on bringing every spare 60 shaft I own.
I've heard early 10.25 fords suffer from pinion bearing starvation
and/or hub seal failure.
OX

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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:19:23 -0600

> SNIP
> According to my Mitchell Interchange manual, no. The van spindles show
> interchangeability only to vans and the trucks only to trucks. Don't know
> what the exact difference is, but this book is the same one the junkyards
> use and it's usually right on...
> (The I beams are different too..)

THANKS for the reply Rich. I didn't know if they were the same or not. The
guy had the front end listed for 50$ I was going to go look at it but now I
don't need to. any way I didn't want to buy parts that I couldn't use so
thanks for the reply and the information.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6


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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:11:17 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: pvc and brake booster connections

Southerland, Rich wrote:
>
> > Trouble is, it has no PVC valve.
>
> PVC = Poly Vinyl Chloride (white plastic used for plumbing, ect)
>

Well, he was correct then, he had "NO" PVC valve :-)

OX

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:18:48 -0800

>>Well, he was correct then, he had "NO" PVC valve :-)

>>OX

While junkyard hunting last summer, we came across a older F100 that
somebody had fitted with 1/2" PVC pipe coming from each valve cover routed
up into the air cleaner...

Sort of a PVC/PCV system I guess. We scratched our heads for a couple
minutes looking at that one...

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:21:14 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic starting?

Had a funny thing happen a few minutes ago at the gas station that has
happened one other time. I drove to the station, shut the truck off,
filled it up, went inside to pay. When I got back in the truck I
turrned the key to the on position (I have an electric fuel pump, always
let that run for 1-2 seconds before i hit the starter), and the truck
started just as soon as i put it on on, not start, the starter never
engaged, the motor just started by itself. I had this happen once
before but i figured i hit the starter without realizing it. This
proved not. Anyone have any ideas? The truck is my '79 F-250 4x2, 460,
C-6. Then when I got home and shut it off, after about 5-10 seconds
after shuting it off I got two loud backfires from the exhaust and my
brand new turbo muffler on the drivers side is balooned out to about
twice the size it should be. Looking for ideas, anyone?

WICoWbOy

'75 F-250 4x4, 390, np435
'77 F-150 4x4, Dana 60 f/r, 460, c-6
'79 F-250 4x2, 460, C-6

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: pvc and brake booster connections
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:30:58 -0600

> While junkyard hunting last summer, we came across a older F100 that
> somebody had fitted with 1/2" PVC pipe coming from each valve cover routed
> up into the air cleaner...
>

Carrie's little 4banger stang has some PVC pipe in it for induction ...
picked up close to 5hp on the top side (butt dyno workin, could only be 3hp,
but for $10 who cares?) ... just took the muffler out of the intake between
the MAF and the TB, great sound now too :)

Painted black and you can't even tell now ... 3" tubing flows better than
3"od and 1.75" id :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Bronco Swap Help
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:59:28 -0500

Only thing I'll lay on you is CLEAN UP THE NEW FRAME AND BODY FIRST!!! That
way you won't hate yourself later when you have to take things off to fix
stuff or paint stuff or clean stuff and it's a heck of a lot easier to work
on a clean truck chassis :-)

If you've never changed an engine or tranny there are so many things you
will do wrong we can't begin to catch them all so just be carefull, look at
each step and take your time. Use jack stands religiously to support stuff
as you go and have a helper when moving large parts around if you can. Use
anti-seize on all bolts you put back in regardless of application except for
sheet metal screws, dab it on after they are tight or they may strip due to
the lubrication aspect.

Make up some guide bolts, long bolts (about 3-4")with heads cut off and ends
radiused to align the various drive train parts as you install them. This
is especially helpfull with auto trannys but also works well with the xfer
case and manuals too.

Route all cables and wires carefully so you don't have to kill yourself to
get to them later and put new brake lines on it, they're cheap.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I'm new to this list having just found it. I'm looking for some
>help/advice on my current '78 Bronco. I'm in the process of
>swapping the
>entire drive-train over to a new frame/body thats in much
>better shape and

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic starting?
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:15:43 -0500

Over rich mixture leaves evaporating fuel in the cylinders so when you hit
the ignition it fires the plug and it takes off. New cars will soon have a
system which uses the computer to calculate were the next cylinder is and
injects fuel and fires it and the starter will be eliminated altogether.

Mufflers blow up for one reason, gas buildup and an after fire episode :-)
My bronco did it to me too :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>let that run for 1-2 seconds before i hit the starter), and the truck
>started just as soon as i put it on on, not start, the starter never
>engaged, the motor just started by itself.

>after shuting it off I got two loud backfires from the exhaust and my
>brand new turbo muffler on the drivers side is balooned out to about
>twice the size it should be. Looking for ideas, anyone?

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 78 VAN SPINDLES
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:16:00 -0800




> SNIP
> According to my Mitchell Interchange manual, no. The van spindles show
> interchangeability only to vans and the trucks only to trucks. Don't know
> what the exact difference is, but this book is the same one the junkyards
> use and it's usually right on...
> (The I beams are different too..)

>THANKS for the reply Rich. I didn't know if they were >the same or not. The
>guy had the front end listed for 50$ I was going to go >look at it but now
I
>don't need to. any way I didn't want to buy parts that >I didn't need to.

Upon a little further investigation, I did find that the rotors, calipers,
and master cylinder are interchangeable between the two.

You should put rebuilt calipers and a rebuilt master cylinder on your truck
(calipers are around $15 each and the master is about that much) for safety
purposes, but you are going to need cores to turn in for exchange...

If the rotors are good, $50 (maybe he'd cut you a break since you wouldn't
be taking it all) wouldn't be too bad a price to pay for 2 good rotors, 2
caliper cores and a master cylinder core...

Just a thought...
Rich

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From: ClemmerMustangJC aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:28:17 EST
Subject: '69 360 Carb

Just started up my 1969 F250 last nigth for first time in about 4 years, in
process of starting restoration. Started after a little work and all but it
only runs on full choke. When i go to shut off choke, it cuts out. Man i've
got the fever for restoration now. Truck needs body work also. Can anyone
give me an address for replacement panels or beds and doors? Some of rust can
be patched but some is so bad that the panels will need to be replaced. I'm
looking more for a replacement bed. I know that there is some place out there
that sells aftermarket beds. Can you help me? Thanks Jon C. PA

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: '69 360 Carb
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:48:59 -0600

> Just started up my 1969 F250 last nigth for first time in about 4
> years, in
> process of starting restoration.

Congratulations ... always a good feeling :)


> Started after a little work and
> all but it
> only runs on full choke. When i go to shut off choke, it cuts
> out.

Check for a huge vaccuum leak, it sounds like its gettin air from somewhere
else so all it needs from the carb is fuel ... likely its a bad carb to
manifold seal in there somewhere ...also check the vaccuum hoses to be sure
it isn't leaking through all of those (the brake hose is big enough it could
cause some problems)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '69 360 Carb
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:20:20 PST


>give me an address for replacement panels or beds and doors? Some of rust
>can
>be patched but some is so bad that the panels will need to be replaced. I'm
>looking more for a replacement bed. I know that there is some place out
>there
>that sells aftermarket beds. Can you help me? Thanks Jon C. PA

For the replacement panels try autokrafters or JC Whitney.
www.auto krafters. com .


Chris
______________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:26:06 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: FE????

Thanks for your message at 01:11 PM 3/1/00 -0500, Tim and Pam Allgire. Your
message was:
>One of the easiest ways to tell is to look at the top radiator hose.The
>Windsor hose goes into the front of the intake manifold while the Cleveland
>hose goes into the top side of the intake.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't go into the intake. It goes into the block.


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500)
I shortened this to only FT's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:02:41 -0500
From: Tony Marino raex.com>
Subject: Re: Heavy duty front hub.

Any Dana/Spicer parts dealer will have them-- they are still stocked, and I
believe to be about $85 dollars a piece-

If you don't have a local shop-- call

Sam Winer Motors
330-628-4881
As for Parts-

These guys are awesome and will fix you up with any of your dana/spicer
drivetrain needs.. 8-)

Tony Marino




At 08:45 AM 3/1/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi there. I have a 79 F-250 4X4. I have a dana 44 axle in the front, and
>just recently I got a new/used dana 44 axle that I decided to rebuild. I
>put a limited slip in it, and then when I put it on my truck, I put the
>real big hubs on it that came on this new axle. Only problem was that one
>of the spindles for these hubs was bent slightly. The next problem is how
>can I replace this thing. Can't find one anywhere. FORD says that they
>can't get em. Salvage yards don't have em around here. It's not the
>same as the tapered hubs, they have a spindle that is 4 inches long from
>the base.
>These have to be clsoe to 4and 1/2 inches long. I can't find one. Does
>anyone on here have one, or know where I can get one. HELP!!!
>______________________________________________________
> >
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From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: Valve cover color
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:04:40 -0600

>Yes Ford switched in 66. Short of paying for an >aerosol can of "generic"
>ford gold, the only other option you have is to take >the paint code to
your
>local paint supplier and have them mix up a small >batch. Bill: If I'm
not
>mistaken, you were given the correct paint code on >the fomoco obsolete
forum
>when you raised that question a few months back


Yep, I have the paint code. None of the stores in my area can mix it in a
high-temp paint though. I don't know why. It seems like all I get is a
blank stare when I go in. I drove 50 miles one day to get some from SEMO
Mustang, a professional restoration operation, called him on the phone "yeah
I got it" drive up there, and "man I dont carry it anymore, use Caddilac
gold instead." when I get there. How hard is this supposed to be?


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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:44:35 -0800
From: Marv Miller lafn.org>
Subject: Re: List 'O Blocks

> There are 5 basic ford engines that I am aware of:
> Windsor blocks: 302, 351w
> Cleveland blocks: 351c, 400c
> Modified blocks: 351m, 400m
> FE blocks: 332, 352, 360, 390, 427, 428
> and Big blocks: 370, 429, 460

The 406! We're always forgetting the 406.

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:19:30 -0500
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis p3.net>
Subject: Re: parting out a 69 and a 64

Greg,
whats the prices for the 69 parts???Like any good chrome??Especiall the chrome
around the cab under tha back window....How about the radiator support????
Joe

A61fordtruck aol.com wrote:

> hey everybody,
>
> I am parting out a 69 ranger and a 64. both are short stylesides. both
> cabs have exelent floors and rusty driprails. neither have engines. the 69
> has a lot of decent trim as well on it and all the ranger emblems. help me
> finish my "61 by buying some of this junk from me!!!!
>
> Greg schnakenberg
> 61 stepside in process
> 65 custom cab with 460 swap going on now
>
> ==========================================================....


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