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In This Issue:
Re: Oil filters....
Re: 292 not getting fire
Re: Pulling to the right
Re: Oil filters....
Re: Oil filters....
Re: Oil filters....
door locks on my '65
Door locks on my '65
Wages
Air Cleaners
Re: Cab mounts
Re: Car prices
Re: Car prices.
Re: Gun, 51, saves man, 83
Re: Car prices
Re: ATF brush preservitive :-)
Carpeting for a 74 F-250
Re: car prices
Re: door locks on my '65
Re: Car prices.
Re: Oil filters....
Re: Car prices
Re: car prices
Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250
Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250
Re: door locks on my '65
Re: door locks on my '65
U-JOINTS OR REAREND
Re: car prices
Re: car prices
Re: U-JOINTS OR REAREND
Re: U-JOINTS OR REAREND
Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250
greetings and more manifold questions.
351c 2v vs 4v
Re: 400's Retarded Cam
Re: fuel prices
Parting out 62 Ford
Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family
Re: Parting out 62 Ford
Re: car prices
Re: Car prices
Re: 351c 2v vs 4v
64/65 Fenders & No Spark '64
Re: greetings and more manifold questions.

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:37:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Oil filters....
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Do you really mean 1/4 turn? All the filters I've ever used said 3/4 turn
> on the side. And tightening by hand that was about all I could do. Course
> if my hands wern't covered in oil... ;-)
>
> Tom H

Gary, I think we're dealing with a bunch of wimps here. True, I believe they
either say 2/3 or 3/4 of a turn, but still I can turn them a lot farther
than that by hand. I lubricate the gasket correctly and have put a few on so
tight by hand that I not only needed a filter wrench to get them off, I
squashed the filter in the removal process. My poor dad once had to take the
mounting plate off of the block to finish removing the remains of a filter
he destroyed. But he tightened it up with the wrench. He always thought more
was better.

(It's a joke, a joke I tell ya. FTE doesn't accept wimps. It's all in the
wrists.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 292 not getting fire
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:50:59 -0500

check your coil.
-----Original Message-----
From: William S. Hart iastate.edu>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:42 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 292 not getting fire


>> I have the 1964 Ford F-100 with the 292 V8 in it. I replaced the plugs,
>> wires, distributor cap/rotor, and yet I still do not get any fire. Does
>> anyone have any other suggestions? I know I'm not getting fire because
>> while cranking, I pulled a plug wire and held it close to the
>> manifold, and
>> there was no spark.
>>
>
>Points and condensor ? Have you checked them to be sure they aren't shot
>(the points at least, its a matter of course to put the condensor in at the
>same time)...
>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Tuneup/tune.html
>
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Pulling to the right
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:47:54 -0500

The adjusters do both work at the same time since they are attached to the
shoes themselves but not necessarily with the same result :-) Please
forgive me if I have misunderstood your reply. My point is that you should
not rely on the old style cable adjusters maintaining the balance because
they actually adjust independently based on the actual space between the
drum and shoe and slop in the system so it's not unusual to have them out of
"balance" without tweaking them occasionally. If the space is too tight to
catch the next step on the star wheel they will not adjust but the other
side may have enough room to make it one more click etc.....Theoretically
this should equate to even adjustment but in practice, at least in my
experience, it usually doesn't maintain it indefinitely.

The newer ratchet style seems to work better than the older cable actuated
version as long as they don't freeze up with dirt and rust (don't ask).
Newer cars seem to go forever with no real problems in the rear. 70-80k are
pretty common now days with no adjustments in between but the older
ones........:-( and if that cable breaks.....:-( or the retainer pin rusts
through or.......which reminds me, when you do drum brakes, unless the parts
are also new, replace all the little brake parts and springs. Rusty
retainer pins will be your undoing, don't ask :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>of the rear brakes.When you do your reverse braking it adjusts
>both of them
>at the same time at an even amount on each side--as long as
>your rear breaks
>are working correctly.

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filters....
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:50 -0500

Actually this is the reason they gave me back in 64 for not tightening them
more than 1/4 turn. If you get them too tight, the rubber they had then
would vulcanize itself to the adapter and you couldn't get them off to save
your life so I compromised, don't use a wrench, just your hand but get them
tight :-)

I've never had to destroy one I put on myself but have worked on some that
were tightened with a wrench and couldn't get them off without ripping the
can off to get at the inner plate. I had one car recently that I simply
could not get my hand on the filter to my satisfaction and used a wrench on
it but was carefull to try to maintain the same kind of torque I got by
hand. Seems like that was the 92 bird with the 3.8 as I recall. There are
wire looms the run right up against it and a couple of hydraulic lines too,
really poor design :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Gary, I think we're dealing with a bunch of wimps here. True,
>I believe they
>either say 2/3 or 3/4 of a turn, but still I can turn them a
>lot farther
>than that by hand. I lubricate the gasket correctly and have
>put a few on so
>tight by hand that I not only needed a filter wrench to get them off, I

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:02:12 -0800
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filters....

test

>>> "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com> 02/24 10:55 AM >>>
Actually this is the reason they gave me back in 64 for not tightening them
more than 1/4 turn. If you get them too tight, the rubber they had then
would vulcanize itself to the adapter and you couldn't get them off to save
your life so I compromised, don't use a wrench, just your hand but get them
tight :-)

I've never had to destroy one I put on myself but have worked on some that
were tightened with a wrench and couldn't get them off without ripping the
can off to get at the inner plate. I had one car recently that I simply
could not get my hand on the filter to my satisfaction and used a wrench on
it but was carefull to try to maintain the same kind of torque I got by
hand. Seems like that was the 92 bird with the 3.8 as I recall. There are
wire looms the run right up against it and a couple of hydraulic lines too,
really poor design :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Gary, I think we're dealing with a bunch of wimps here. True,
>I believe they
>either say 2/3 or 3/4 of a turn, but still I can turn them a
>lot farther
>than that by hand. I lubricate the gasket correctly and have
>put a few on so
>tight by hand that I not only needed a filter wrench to get them off, I
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:05:31 -0800
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filters....

test

>>> "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com> 02/24 10:55 AM >>>
Actually this is the reason they gave me back in 64 for not tightening them
more than 1/4 turn. If you get them too tight, the rubber they had then
would vulcanize itself to the adapter and you couldn't get them off to save
your life so I compromised, don't use a wrench, just your hand but get them
tight :-)

I've never had to destroy one I put on myself but have worked on some that
were tightened with a wrench and couldn't get them off without ripping the
can off to get at the inner plate. I had one car recently that I simply
could not get my hand on the filter to my satisfaction and used a wrench on
it but was carefull to try to maintain the same kind of torque I got by
hand. Seems like that was the 92 bird with the 3.8 as I recall. There are
wire looms the run right up against it and a couple of hydraulic lines too,
really poor design :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Gary, I think we're dealing with a bunch of wimps here. True,
>I believe they
>either say 2/3 or 3/4 of a turn, but still I can turn them a
>lot farther
>than that by hand. I lubricate the gasket correctly and have
>put a few on so
>tight by hand that I not only needed a filter wrench to get them off, I
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:46 -0800
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: door locks on my '65

Has anyone tried installing after market power door locks on a '65 (or so) F100?


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:08:41 -0800
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: Door locks on my '65

Has anyone tried installing after market power door locks on a '65 (or so) F100?


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Wages
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:10:20 -0500

Gary writes: >>I can tell you what I made at a garage as a gas pump
jockey, $1.00/hr and at
ford, $2.78/hr and in the service, $83/mo.....:-)<<

$83/Mo. Dang it Gary I'd been in nearly 2 years and was a corporal before
I made that much... I went in $47/Mo....


I quit Brown Engineering in Nov. 1967 and was 3.36/hr. I came to work a
Chrysler the next Monday for $2.92/hr, but I had already been told Brown
that my job was just a matter of time and that time was near, so I took
Chrysler up on their offer. Never been sorry. I hired in Brown in April
of 1963 $1.44/hr. I had a wife and child to support and was fresh out of
the Military. Talk about rough times -- Those were R O U G H times, B U
T we made it, and are probably better people because of it..

I owned a Ford then and still do(several as a matter of fact). I do,
however, drive MO*PARs to and from work, as does the remainder of my
family. Gotta take advantage of that discount. Can't beat it.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:15:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Air Cleaners



A friend of mine has a '67 F100 with a 240 ci 6 cyl.
It has the original Oil Bath Air Cleaner on a one
barrel carb. He is having problems with carb icing in
this recent cold, damp weather here in the SF bay
area. He would like to retrofit his carb with a later
model Air Cleaner that has an exhaust manifold snorkel
and thermostat. What year should he look for to get
this Air Cleaner? Does he need anything in addition,
like the exhaust manifold itself?

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V
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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Cab mounts
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:21:27 -0600

> I paid about $32 each for the front cab mounts (part of the cab,
> not frame)
> from JCWittney but there were bolt on reinforcements rather than weld in
> replacements so I won't be using them unless the pickup needs some.
> (bronco's are in good shape :-)) In any event I will weld them in rather
> than just do a patch job so they look similar to stock when I'm done if I
> use them.
>

Mine were the weld in style that look like originals (or what I think the
originals were supposed to look like (mine were just too far gone to tell)
...I got floor boards and cab mounts, I think all for $75 or less ...
putting them in cost me quite a bit more than that since I don't know how to
weld (yes its true, I've helped a lot, but never done it).

I can get the company name and such tomorrow probably.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:21:26 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Car prices

> I don't buy new cars/trucks, period. Been there, done that. I look for one
> two or three years old that has been well cared for. The first owner takes a
> tremendous depreciation hit when he/she signs the transfer papers. I could
> buy and maintain a fleet of old Ford trucks for the price of a new Mustang.

I fully agree. I actually have bought my last 3 vehicles out of a junkyard. SWMBO doesn't see my point on things, but I just can't see a perfectly good Ford go to waste.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crewcab

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:26:11 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Car prices.

> A guy I work with just picked up his new 2000 Mustang on Monday ... lowest
> mileage car I've ever driven (had 36miles on it when I got in) ... he added
> this to his Bronco II ... the Mustang has pics up at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rod/mustang.html
>
> He got it for right around 17K ... sure its "just" a V6 .. but with a 5spd
> and 190 rated hp stock, its quite a bargain compared with the other vehicles
> out there today :)
>

Lowest mileage cars I ever drove had 0 miles on it. It was my 79 T-Bird that I just got done (with brand new speedo) restoring, modifying, pro streeting etc. I have a few more dollars than that (about $23K), but I have a fuel injected 514, and more stares that I could ever imagine (most are "Why"). I have a lot more respect for this car than the 92 5.0 T-bird that I drive.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crewcab

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:34:35 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: Gun, 51, saves man, 83

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> My brother, who is a sign painter, uses ATF for his paint brushes because it
> is compatible with the oil paints he uses and keeps them soft and ready to
> use with no special treatment except to dip them and wipe off the excess.
> He buys expensive brushes and uses them for years :-)

I've been an oil painter (pictures) all my life and that's one I never
heard of.
I'd be afraid that the ATF had things in it that would be bad for the
paint.

The ATF would have to be an oil that didn't dry, and getting that into
the paint wouldn't be good, I think. Also you dont know what chemicals
they add to the ATF, and they might be ones that can react with
different paint pigments and cause darkening or bleeding.

Of course your brother might have enough experience with it to know it
works but I'm curious as to where he got the idea. Passed down from
another painter?

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Car prices
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:33:32 -0800

I fully agree. I actually have bought my last 3 vehicles out of a
junkyard. SWMBO doesn't see my point on things, but I just can't see a
perfectly good Ford go to waste.

Luckily for me, my wife understands completely. She loves her '77 E150 (we
got for free) and I am slowly fixing it up for her. Her best friend (who
just bought a 2000 C*ravan) was visiting yesterday and was giving her a
little grief:
"Why doesn't your husband buy you a new vehicle instead of that old thing?"

Her reply:
"I wouldn't trade you straight up. We have less into that van than you paid
in sales tax for yours."

Man, I love that woman!


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: ATF brush preservitive :-)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:48:50 -0500

He works with a guy from Monroe who does diesel rigs from pinstriping to
murals as well as race cars and another guy who was chosen to work on the
Lansing State Capital restoration project because of his restoration skills.
They both used ATF for this so he tried it and liked it. Of course he wipes
them more or less dry on a paper towel before using so the amount of oil
remaining behind in a flame shaped artist lettering or pin striping brush is
very little and not likely to cause a problem I would think. I'm not sure
if he does any more to prep the brushes when he does paintings but for hand
lettered paper signs he uses them right out of the tool box with a simple
wipe of the paper towel :-) These, of course, are temporary signs and
bleeding is not really a concern so I don't really know the answer for sure
:-)

If I think about it next time I talk to him I will ask though :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I've been an oil painter (pictures) all my life and that's one I never
>heard of.
>I'd be afraid that the ATF had things in it that would be bad for the
>paint.

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:53:30 -0700
From: Keith Srb ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Carpeting for a 74 F-250

Any one have any suggestions on finding a place where I can buy new carpet
for my 74 F-250?

Thanks!
Keith Srb


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:55:09 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: car prices

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:

> One thing I do
> look for now is a "non-smoker" vehicle. They are becoming more common now
> that people are getting wiser and more health conscious :-)
>
What? Tobacco smoke residue is what gives a cab interior that Old Master
patina, so prized by true connoisseurs. And it protects the finish.

As for the film on the windows, where you dont want it, that comes right
off with alcohol.

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:48:04 -0600
Subject: Re: door locks on my '65
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Has anyone tried installing after market power door locks on a '65 (or so)
F100?
>
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No, but I put them on my 79. I would suggest using relays similar to
Steve's Whiter Brights article. I didn't and I'm going to have to go back
and do it right later

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:56:41 -0600
Subject: Re: Car prices.
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I have a lot more respect for this car than the 92 5.0 T-bird that I drive.

I'll bet. I was counting factory new, but your new is even better.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filters....
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:52:42 -0800



> I lubricate the gasket correctly and have
> put a few on so
> tight by hand that I not only needed a filter wrench to get
> them off, I
> squashed the filter in the removal process. My poor dad once
> had to take the
> mounting plate off of the block to finish removing the
> remains of a filter
> he destroyed. But he tightened it up with the wrench. He
> always thought more
> was better.
>
> (It's a joke, a joke I tell ya. FTE doesn't accept wimps.
> It's all in the
> wrists.)
>

Here's a tip I've used a few times. If you have a filter that your wrench
won't fit, or instead of a wrench, use a dog's metal choke collar. Set it
up so as you pull it tightens on the filter and then pull at a perpendicular
to the filter.

As far as point of first contact, I've always spun the filter on and when it
stopped due to contact I started counting.
Tom H

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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: Car prices
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:09:58 -0600

Her reply:
> "I wouldn't trade you straight up. We have less into that van than you
paid
> in sales tax for yours."
>
> Man, I love that woman!
>
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I don't think I would let that one go Rich, not to many women around would
say the same thing. Although my wife was the one to convince me to pull my
65 F100 off of the road as a daily driver and start fixing it up. I am
almost afraid to add AC to it thought. Because I know that she will want to
drive it to work then. So far it has been my truck but the more I work on it
the more she starts kinda looking at it......maybe I'll just leave it
primered!!!

Paul
65 F100 460 C6 (under construction)


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: car prices
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:05:19 -0500

You mean that sticky yellow film on the finish? I used to work in a garage
that did car washes and one of the most disgusting things I had to do was
try to get the scum off the back windows of things like fast back mustangs
from the inside........I smoked for a long time and since I've quit it's one
of the most annoying things I have to deal with in public, I certainly don't
need the smell in my vehicles.....or my house....I have a neighbor who's
kids we watched for free for a long time just to keep my wife busy and she
comes over with a stinky weed in her face and walks right in like she owns
the place.....after being asked politely not to smoke in our house. I told
my wife to make sure she understood and she claims she did that so I scolded
her (the neighbor) the first time she did it with me there and she acted
like it was no big deal and the very next day she did it again but I wasn't
there or there would have be some flames not associated with her
weed........

Then there's the cat owners who believe they need to run..........(they make
good fertilizer by the way :-))

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>patina, so prized by true connoisseurs. And it protects the finish.

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:18:08 -0500

I believe AutoKrafters and JCW both have this, JCW for sure :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Any one have any suggestions on finding a place where I can
>buy new carpet
>for my 74 F-250?

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:31:15 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles" austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250

I too have a 74 F250. It had the factory rubber mat and I just ordered a
replacement carpet from JC Whitney for about $50. It is the loop pile, sewn
together carpet, not the molded carpet. JC Whitney has a good selection of
stuff for older Ford trucks.

Howardb

Keith Srb wrote:

> Any one have any suggestions on finding a place where I can buy new carpet
> for my 74 F-250?
>
> Thanks!
> Keith Srb
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:31:11 -0800
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: Re: door locks on my '65

Do you know where I could get a copy of Steve's "Whiter Brights article" ?

Thanks for the reply.


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:51:52 -0600
Subject: Re: door locks on my '65
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Do you know where I could get a copy of Steve's "Whiter Brights article" ?
>
> Thanks for the reply.
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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: U-JOINTS OR REAREND
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:01:11 -0600

I have a problem that is not that hard to figure out but don't know which
way to go with trouble shooting. I have been having some noise from the rear
end of my truck under acceleration. At first this noise sounded like
bearings "singing". Now it feels almost like there is some slight vibration
when I start picking up speed. what would be the best way to determine what
the problem is. I have allready purchased a new u-joint for the rear that I
am going to pit in tonight. I just don't want to miss diagnos the problem
and get caught out in traffic with a bad rear end.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Paul
65 F100 460 C6


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:56:05 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: car prices

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
...I have a neighbor who's
> kids we watched for free for a long time just to keep my wife busy and she
> comes over with a stinky weed in her face and walks right in like she owns
> the place.....after being asked politely not to smoke in our house.

She just needs somebody to teach her some manners, especially when she's
in debt to you for watching her kids.

> Then there's the cat owners who believe they need to run..........(they make
> good fertilizer by the way :-))

Now there I have to disagree with you. Cats are hunters, they're God's
creatures, and they do need to roam. Especially tomcats. There's no man
that cant respect the tomcat's need to get out there from time to time.

Maybe you just need to mark your territory. :-)

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:25:46 -0600
Subject: Re: car prices
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> Now there I have to disagree with you. Cats are hunters, they're God's
> creatures, and they do need to roam. Especially tomcats. There's no man
> that cant respect the tomcat's need to get out there from time to time.

I have two cats and they never leave the house. Ever, except in the carrier
to go to the vet. Cats and dogs do not need to run loose any more than
children need to run loose.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:28:26 -0600
Subject: Re: U-JOINTS OR REAREND
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

> I just don't want to miss diagnos the problem
> and get caught out in traffic with a bad rear end.

Don't blame you, Paul. If I was doing it, I would replace the u-joint first
like you plan to do.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: U-JOINTS OR REAREND
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:55:29 -0600

If you have a bad u-joint, you ought to be able to push/pull/shake the
driveshaft by hand near each of the u-joints and see or feel the bad one.
Block the wheels so the truck won't roll, and to free up the driveshaft.



>I have a problem that is not that hard to figure out but don't know which
>way to go with trouble shooting. What would be the best way to determine
what
>the problem is.
>Paul
>65 F100 460 C6

>


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:27:19 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Carpeting for a 74 F-250

Automotive Custom Carpets (ACC) in Anniston, Alabama.
They have a web page but I am clueless what it is.
You making it to PF this spring???

Stu
Nuke GM!

At 12:53 PM 2/24/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Any one have any suggestions on finding a place where I can buy new carpet
>for my 74 F-250?
>
>Thanks!
>Keith Srb

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From: "Alex Cook" hotmail.com>
Subject: greetings and more manifold questions.
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:43:41 GMT



Hey truck lovers. I've been a digest subscriber for about six months now,
and am generally content to just read your postings. I am consistently
impressed with the topics of discussion and the knowledgable answers you all
offer. Good work!
Since there has been discussion of manifolds the last couple of days, I
thought I would use it as an excuse to get some some feedback from all of
you. My current project is a 351 Cleveland to be fitted in my old bronco.
I'm having a hard time deciding on an intake because of (1) my indecision,
and (2) my inability to pass up a good deal. I was planning on an Edelbrock
Performer (maybe RPM) because of the name rep. and popularity. But, a buddy
of mine has an offenhauser 360 degree manifold for this engine he'll let go
for $100.
Has anyone ran the 360 degree Offy intake (on any engine)? Do you have
some comparitive words to help me decide between the two? I definitely want
good mid and high-end HP, but need the torque for medium towing duties. Oh,
the Cleveland is a '72 with 2v heads, and soon to be 4bbl intake.
Quite a lengthy message for such a simple question, but that is
generally how I operate :) Thanks in advance everyone, and keep up the very
good work. You all are helping keep fords on the road!! Alex.

______________________________________________________


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:12:11 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp angelo.edu>
Subject: 351c 2v vs 4v

Alex

You wrote:

Has anyone ran the 360 degree Offy intake (on any engine)? Do you have
some comparitive words to help me decide between the two? I definitely want
good mid and high-end HP, but need the torque for medium towing duties. Oh,
the Cleveland is a '72 with 2v heads, and soon to be 4bbl intake.


I am putting a 72 351 Cleveland in a 83 mustang.

From what I have learned the 2v setup (intake and heads) is for low end
torque.

The 4v setup (intake and heads) was for high end torque.

My question is will the 4v intake with the 2v heads get you anywhere.


I'd be interest in what you have learned.

Also the heads do not supply water to the intake. Don't know if that has
any effect on after market intakes.

Larry
74 1 ton


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From: "Dave Resch" sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:53:46 -0700
Subject: Re: 400's Retarded Cam


>From: GMontgo930aol.com
>Subject: 400's Retarded Cam
>
>Ive heard that Ford decided to retard teh
>camshaft timing for most of the years the
>400's were produced. DOes anybody have
>teh specs on how much it was retarded?
>I've got a freshly rebuilt 400 that has little to
>no guts. I was thinking that if I advance it, it
>should wake up some. Im just debating as
>to how much to go.

Yo George:

The 400 was produced w/ "straight up" cam timing only in 1971 and 1972, its
first two years of production. Beginning in 1973, Ford retarded cam timing on
all 335 series (351C, 400) engines. (Since the 351M was not produced before
1975, it has always had retarded cam timing.) All the specific references I
have mention 8 degrees retard on 460s, but I don't have a specific number for
the 335 series. I've heard numbers of 6-8 degrees retard for other Ford
engines.

Cam timing is retarded by changing the position of the keyway on the crankshaft
sprocket. The simplest way to restore the cam timing to "straight up" is to use
the pre-retarded ('71-'72) crankshaft sprocket from Ford. The part for that is
#C8SZ-A (same part as the 429/460), and it is still available from Ford dealers.
The other option is to use an aftermarket timing set w/ a multi-keyway crank
sprocket. I think those allow you to advance or retard cam timing in 6 degree
(or so) increments.

You can't just shift the crank sprocket by a tooth to get the timing right.
Each tooth on the crank sprocket is equivalent to 20 degrees of crankshaft
rotation.

If you go with the OEM Ford crankshaft sprocket, you need to use the OEM
camshaft sprocket and timing chain parts #D0AZ-A. You might have to specify it
for the 1971 or 1972 400 in a full-size car, or for a 1970-1972 (pre-retarded)
351C for the dealer to give you the right parts.

IMHO, you'd be better off using an aftermarket set w/ roller-type chain and full
steel sprockets. All the Ford OEM cam sprockets have nylon teeth, which are
notorious for wearing out and breaking.

Good luck.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: Bad4dFillyaol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:32:37 EST
Subject: Re: fuel prices

In a message dated 02/23/2000 2:57:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
twistedhandhotmail.com writes:

<< The Price of premiun unleaded has just hit 82 a litre here (about $3.00
US
gallon). Regular is 72 a litre.
My truck will run on regular, but its not really happy with it. It pings
under moderate accelleration. >>

Where are ya at? I have just succumbed to switching gas stations because of
high gas prices I'm usually a 76 Gal but
when it's nearly 10 cents more there, I'm off to a cheaper station LOL I
don't like to go anywhere else cuz the local 76 has the easiest pumps for my
truck, but heck, money talks! LOL I ONLY put 87 in my truck, I could care
less how it makes my truck run......it gets me where I wanna go! LOL =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*

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Date: 24 Feb 00 17:03:12 PST
From: shawn tayloe netscape.net>
Subject: Parting out 62 Ford

I have had the bad luck of some vandels burning up the interieor of my 62 Ford
truck. I am parting out the rest of the body parts. It is a F100 custom cab
with the uni-body. The tailgate is still good on it and I have a couple sets
of taillight lenses. The grill is chrome and I think in pretty good shape.
It has a 292 V8 engine and the original transmission. The front fenders are
still in good shape. The truck was bought originally in the Sacramento area
and then in Colorado Springs for the last 15 years. There has been little
problems with rust.

I am overseas and I took some pictures last time I was back in the states.
When I took the pictures there was about 4 inches of snow on the hood and cab
so I don't know what kind of shape they are in. I was not aloud to touch the
truck because the truck is still in the police impound lot in Colorado Springs
being held for evidence. I have signed it over to my brother in law who will
handle getting it out and parting it out. I can send pictures on e-mail to
anyone who is interested.

Shawn Tayloe

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:15:11 EST
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family

Sorry to hear about the bad news Ken. We'll be fine, take care of yourself,
god bless.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:18:39 EST
Subject: Re: Parting out 62 Ford

Sorry to hear bout that. Really shows the lack of respect some people have.
Out of curiosity, why dont you still fix it up? Still a truck worth havin.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:57:55 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: car prices

John LaGrone wrote:

> I have two cats and they never leave the house. Ever, except in the carrier
> to go to the vet. Cats and dogs do not need to run loose any more than
> children need to run loose.

But children do need to run loose, unless they're going to grow up to be
neurotic wrecks.

------------------------------

From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:59:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Car prices

At 02:09 PM 24:02:2000 -0600, OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:
>

> I am
>almost afraid to add AC to it thought. Because I know that she will want to
>drive it to work then. So far it has been my truck but the more I work on it
>the more she starts kinda looking at it.....

You're lucky, Rockette has already laid claim to
the '68, as it's an automatic. I get to fix it, she'll be
driving it though.....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: "Mike Pacheco" USWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: 351c 2v vs 4v
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:56:27 -0800

Larry:
I have the 351 2V with 4 barrel intake and carb. has plenty of medium to
high torque, I went with the edelbrock manifold and carb, has a cam and
roller rockers.... it wants to run.
Mine is in a 72' F-100.
Mike in Burien

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounceford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Larry
Schmiedekamp
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 3:12 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] 351c 2v vs 4v


Alex

You wrote:

Has anyone ran the 360 degree Offy intake (on any engine)? Do you have
some comparative words to help me decide between the two? I
definitely want
good mid and high-end HP, but need the torque for medium towing
duties. Oh,
the Cleveland is a '72 with 2v heads, and soon to be 4bbl intake.


I am putting a 72 351 Cleveland in a 83 mustang.

From what I have learned the 2v setup (intake and heads) is for low end
torque.

The 4v setup (intake and heads) was for high end torque.

My question is will the 4v intake with the 2v heads get you anywhere.


I'd be interest in what you have learned.

Also the heads do not supply water to the intake. Don't know if that has
any effect on after market intakes.

Larry
74 1 ton

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From: "Carver" ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: 64/65 Fenders & No Spark '64
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:03:49 -0800

Alright, so I sound like a nitpicker, but here goes.
The model badge is on the side of the hood in '64
and on the fender on '65-'66, otherwise everyone
else knows more than I do, listen to them.

Another annoying thing that can interrupt the flow
of those useful electrons sparking the engine is
the grounding. Check the ground strap too.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:11:27 -0500
Subject: Re: greetings and more manifold questions.
From: Jeff Simmons juno.com>

Alex, I've used quiet a few aftermarket intakes over the years. (That
makes me sound old HA HA.) But the worst intake I've used is the
Edelbrock torker II, Which is similar to the performer. The performer RPM
I have heard a lot more praise for though. I have never used an Offy
before but I have never heard anything bad about them. I now use the
Weiand Stealth on my 429, To me that is the best intake out there today.

Also on Cleveland I would recommend doing quite a bit of porting and
polishing on the exhaust ports it will make a big performance
difference.
If there is anything else I can help with let me know.
Jeff in KC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:43:41 GMT "Alex Cook" hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
> Hey truck lovers. I've been a digest subscriber for about six
> months now,
> and am generally content to just read your postings. I am
> consistently
> impressed with the topics of discussion and the knowledgable answers
> you all
> offer. Good work!
> Since there has been discussion of manifolds the last couple of
> days, I
> thought I would use it as an excuse to get some some feedback from
> all of
> you. My current project is a 351 Cleveland to be fitted in my old
> bronco.
> I'm having a hard time deciding on an intake because of (1) my
> indecision,
> and (2) my inability to pass up a good deal. I was planning on an
> Edelbrock
> Performer (maybe RPM) because of the name rep. and popularity. But,
> a buddy
> of mine has an offenhauser 360 degree manifold for this engine he'll
> let go
> for $100.
> Has anyone ran the 360 degree Offy intake (on any engine)? Do
> you have
> some comparitive words to help me decide between the two? I
> definitely want
> good mid and high-end HP, but need the torque for medium towing
> duties. Oh,
> the Cleveland is a '72 with 2v heads, and soon to be 4bbl intake.
> Quite a lengthy message for such a simple question, but that is
>
> generally how I operate :) Thanks in advance everyone, and keep up
> the very
> good work. You all are helping keep fords on the road!! Alex.
>
> ______________________________________________________
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